Ren'Py Bobby's Memoirs of Depravity [v0.15.53] [ZipTieFun]

[Milmurnir]

I don't know.. you must really be Zip or someone sent by him so that the subscriber flow doesn't collapse, you write these moralistic-philosophical guesses.. Are you sure you are a programmer and not a psychologist? Instead of guessing, read this thread, follow Zip's statements over the course of two years, maybe even buy a cheap subscription and read his posts (everything is there). Maybe then your head will clear up and you will stop guessing.

Conclusive evidence is required - such as a formal investigation and seizure of his financial assets including Patreon. Such developers are numerous, though they typically avoid making promises. They simply vanish only to unexpectedly resurface later. The motives are obvious... However, allegations are simple to make while substantiating them proves far more difficult

 

[Sid01]

Conclusive evidence is required - such as a formal investigation and seizure of his financial assets including Patreon. Such developers are numerous, though they typically avoid making promises. They simply vanish only to unexpectedly resurface later. The motives are obvious... However, allegations are simple to make while substantiating them proves far more difficult

Yes, many creators have been removed from Patreon for unacceptable content. That's the platform's policy, but fortunately there are others. But what does that have to do with anything?

 

[joelurmel]

You clearly didn't understand anything of what was written in this topic Zip does something to attract new naive people, not the other way around.

You're the one who hasn't understood anything!
I wasn't responding to your discussion, but to the reply to my comment...

 

[Sid01]

You're the one who hasn't understood anything!
I wasn't responding to your discussion, but to the reply to my comment...

Okay, let it be for you

 

[Milmurnir]

Yes, many creators have been removed from Patreon for unacceptable content. That's the platform's policy, but fortunately there are others. But what does that have to do with anything?

Obviously, because it's about money. You mentioned naive people who fall for Zip's promises - that they need to be enlightened about the developer's unreliability. Block his Patreon and someone is 'saved' from harmful influence... But seriously, I believe that with a proper fraud investigation and corresponding requests to Patreon administration - there will be consequences. Meaning: a permanent ban and inability to use this platform for income. If investigated, some unpleasant details will surface. Someone will blog about it. It will become impossible to exploit naive people, and other platforms will block the developer too. But these are just speculations. An investigation requires substantial evidence. I'm not even talking about those who might be interested in initiating it.

 

[Sid01]

Obviously, because it's about money. You mentioned naive people who fall for Zip's promises - that they need to be enlightened about the developer's unreliability. Block his Patreon and someone is 'saved' from harmful influence... But seriously, I believe that with a proper fraud investigation and corresponding requests to Patreon administration - there will be consequences. Meaning: a permanent ban and inability to use this platform for income. If investigated, some unpleasant details will surface. Someone will blog about it. It will become impossible to exploit naive people, and other platforms will block the developer too. But these are just speculations. An investigation requires substantial evidence. I'm not even talking about those who might be interested in initiating it.

I seriously doubt other platforms will follow Patreon's example. Of course it's about money. Besides, people like Zip deserve to have their reputations tarnished, not face legal consequences. This is too much.

 

[Milmurnir]

I seriously doubt other platforms will follow Patreon's example. Of course it's about money. Besides, people like Zip deserve to have their reputations tarnished, not face legal consequences. This is too much.

His reputation is already tarnished. You and other forum members despise him and write nasty comments. At this point, he has nothing left to fear here

 

[Sid01]

His reputation is already tarnished. You and other forum members despise him and write nasty comments. At this point, he has nothing left to fear here

Of course not, because what would he be afraid of? Tough questions? On discord right now it's the same as here. A wave of hate, he comes in, writes his own, answers a few comments and that's it.

 

[Milmurnir]

Of course not, because what would he be afraid of? Tough questions? On discord right now it's the same as here. A wave of hate, he comes in, writes his own, answers a few comments and that's it.

To his credit, he remains responsive to his patrons’ inquiries on his official platforms. It would have been beneficial to share his communicated plans and commitments here as well—such transparency could have fostered productive discussion. However, the current climate of hostility on this forum has understandably discouraged his participation. Perhaps there might have been alternative approaches to engagement that could have preserved this channel of dialogue

 

[Sid01]

To his credit, he remains responsive to his patrons’ inquiries on his official platforms. It would have been beneficial to share his communicated plans and commitments here as well—such transparency could have fostered productive discussion. However, the current climate of hostility on this forum has understandably discouraged his participation. Perhaps there might have been alternative approaches to engagement that could have preserved this channel of dialogue

You don't understand. He can talk in detail about his plans, about what he currently intends to publish. Then disappear for a few months and throw in new plans for a completely different update as if nothing had happened. In the meantime, give an exact date for the update, which he completely ignores. This is not how a person who wants to have contact with fans, who cares about their opinion, behaves.

 

[Milmurnir]

You don't understand. He can talk in detail about his plans, about what he currently intends to publish. Then disappear for a few months and throw in new plans for a completely different update as if nothing had happened. In the meantime, give an exact date for the update, which he completely ignores. This is not how a person who wants to have contact with fans, who cares about their opinion, behaves.

It was mentioned here that he valued community feedback—at least regarding subscription changes, which drew significant backlash. If we assume he didn’t care about his supporters’ opinions, why would he have such a dedicated fanbase? There would likely have been more unsubscribes and far greater negativity. It’s easy to drown in the vitriol of former fans.

However, my earlier comment emphasized diplomatic communication—without insults. Perhaps he would engage here if not for the harassment. Developers do damage control, but everyone’s patience has limits. I’ve already been insulted here myself, labeled as ‘special’ and oddly ‘naive’ (which seems to be some people’s fixation), even though I’ve never crossed personal boundaries.

The key is not to take things too personally. Maintain composure and critical thinking—that way, you protect your investment and avoid unnecessary conflict with the developer.

 

[Aran06]

Let me tell you all a small story... Imagine you are travelling to some place. In the middle of your journey, suddenly the train turns and come to the starting point... That's what you will fell when you play this update..

 

[Sid01]

It was mentioned here that he valued community feedback—at least regarding subscription changes, which drew significant backlash. If we assume he didn’t care about his supporters’ opinions, why would he have such a dedicated fanbase? There would likely have been more unsubscribes and far greater negativity. It’s easy to drown in the vitriol of former fans.

However, my earlier comment emphasized diplomatic communication—without insults. Perhaps he would engage here if not for the harassment. Developers do damage control, but everyone’s patience has limits. I’ve already been insulted here myself, labeled as ‘special’ and oddly ‘naive’ (which seems to be some people’s fixation), even though I’ve never crossed personal boundaries.

The key is not to take things too personally. Maintain composure and critical thinking—that way, you protect your investment and avoid unnecessary conflict with the developer.

I don't recall anything about changes in subscribing at the request of fans. It must have been a long time ago. As for the dedicated fans, the answer is simple - they are not his fans, they are Bobby's fans. Whoever takes care of this universe will immediately gain a fan base.

I don't think Zip was treated any differently than other devs when he acted like other devs - he kept his promises. Why did he stop? You'll have to ask him. You have cause and effect here.

 

[Milmurnir]

I don't recall anything about changes in subscribing at the request of fans. It must have been a long time ago. As for the dedicated fans, the answer is simple - they are not his fans, they are Bobby's fans. Whoever takes care of this universe will immediately gain a fan base.

I don't think Zip was treated any differently than other devs when he acted like other devs - he kept his promises. Why did he stop? You'll have to ask him. You have cause and effect here.

We might have obtained more information here directly, had he not been immediately branded a 'scammer.' I'm certain there were numerous provocations. As someone detached from the conflict, I can understand his perspective. Here, you can't voice your opinion or share your take on the situation without being called out—most likely ridiculed. One might think, 'Everyone's already made up their mind about you,' but why reiterate it constantly? Any illusion of meaningful debate disappears—you already know exactly how people will respond and what counterarguments they'll use.

If you ask me what could have been done differently? At the very least, avoid provoking him from the outset, which ultimately drove him away from this discussion thread. I've seen the hotheads here and what they're capable of writing. You ask for possible evidence of fraud, and they cite missed deadlines. They'll say anything—except provide actual proof of fraudulent schemes. The same old claims: the 'children' funding him (supposedly under his close supervision—if we're being hyperbolic), or that he constantly makes promises and disrespects his community. They'll write anything—but there's no evidence. Just missed deadlines and unfulfilled promises, which at most warrant caution, not condemnation.

As for changes to Patreon subscriptions—that's entirely his right. Let me explain: if there had been any verifiable abuse or illegal profiteering through subscription manipulation, the platform's administration would have flagged it immediately. Content creators are already under strict monitoring, forcing developers to comply and even remove certain game content. Financial matters? That's an entirely separate issue, under even greater scrutiny. From what I've observed in various discussions, there are always those who defend their personal interests—when they feel wronged—by reporting to the platform's administration. If you don't take action, nothing will happen. But venting bile online? That’s always an option

 

[Sid01]

We might have obtained more information here directly, had he not been immediately branded a 'scammer.' I'm certain there were numerous provocations. As someone detached from the conflict, I can understand his perspective. Here, you can't voice your opinion or share your take on the situation without being called out—most likely ridiculed. One might think, 'Everyone's already made up their mind about you,' but why reiterate it constantly? Any illusion of meaningful debate disappears—you already know exactly how people will respond and what counterarguments they'll use.

The evidence may lie somewhere at the bottom of this thread I don't know that, and neither do you, so you might want to be more careful with statements like "immediately branded a 'scammer.' I'm certain there were numerous provocations" unless you have some citations to back it up.

If you ask me what could have been done differently? At the very least, avoid provoking him from the outset, which ultimately drove him away from this discussion thread. I've seen the hotheads here and what they're capable of writing. You ask for possible evidence of fraud, and they cite missed deadlines. They'll say anything—except provide actual proof of fraudulent schemes. The same old claims: the 'children' funding him (supposedly under his close supervision—if we're being hyperbolic), or that he constantly makes promises and disrespects his community. They'll write anything—but there's no evidence. Just missed deadlines and unfulfilled promises, which at most warrant caution, not condemnation.

Yes, you have to believe the creator that when he was supposed to update he had to move or there was a power outage (quotes from Zip ) Your comment is completely out of touch with reality but I'm not going to convince you. You have to see the truth for yourself. It took me a long time

As for changes to Patreon subscriptions—that's entirely his right. Let me explain: if there had been any verifiable abuse or illegal profiteering through subscription manipulation, the platform's administration would have flagged it immediately. Content creators are already under strict monitoring, forcing developers to comply and even remove certain game content. Financial matters? That's an entirely separate issue, under even greater scrutiny. From what I've observed in various discussions, there are always those who defend their personal interests—when they feel wronged—by reporting to the platform's administration. If you don't take action, nothing will happen. But venting bile online? That’s always an option

I have never written that he broke the law. I once wrote that the most honest payment is payment for creation. Generally, it is as the less skeptical write. Subscription is a voluntary payment without the obligation to get something for it. Where is the breaking of the law here?

 

[vudurebel76]

OK... started casting for new actors as the original are too outdated... Who's with me???

 

[BobbaBooeyGooey]

OH GOD NO WONDER I COULDNT FIND IT! It has a whole different fuckin NAME!

 

[Qalx]

The evidence may lie somewhere at the bottom of this thread I don't know that, and neither do you, so you might want to be more careful with statements like "immediately branded a 'scammer.' I'm certain there were numerous provocations" unless you have some citations to back it up.



Yes, you have to believe the creator that when he was supposed to update he had to move or there was a power outage (quotes from Zip ) Your comment is completely out of touch with reality but I'm not going to convince you. You have to see the truth for yourself. It took me a long time



I have never written that he broke the law. I once wrote that the most honest payment is payment for creation. Generally, it is as the less skeptical write. Subscription is a voluntary payment without the obligation to get something for it. Where is the breaking of the law here?

You have no idea what you wrote! There are no payments for games on Patreon, that's your wrong impression... Theoretically you support the creator with certain amounts of money and depending on that (and according to the author's criteria) you can get access to the evolution of the game's development under different conditions. Theoretically the developer should achieve something at certain periods of time, the problem is that many don't do this (for various objective or subjective reasons). Based on the payments you make, you never have the certainty that you will at least receive the finished game, let alone in the time you want.

 

[Sid01]

You have no idea what you wrote! There are no payments for games on Patreon, that's your wrong impression... Theoretically you support the creator with certain amounts of money and depending on that (and according to the author's criteria) you can get access to the evolution of the game's development under different conditions. Theoretically the developer should achieve something at certain periods of time, the problem is that many don't do this (for various objective or subjective reasons). Based on the payments you make, you never have the certainty that you will at least receive the finished game, let alone in the time you want.

There is or was such a possibility 100% because I supported such a creator once. He wrote normal posts and when he posted a post with a link, from your account they would charge a fee. There was some limit set there, I think one such post per month. In any case, I am still a subscriber to this creator even though he hasn't published anything for years and I don't pay anything for it.

You must be registered to see the links

 

[Milmurnir]

The evidence may lie somewhere at the bottom of this thread I don't know that, and neither do you, so you might want to be more careful with statements like "immediately branded a 'scammer.' I'm certain there were numerous provocations" unless you have some citations to back it up.

I have no intention of searching through old messages. These provocations targeting the developer - I hope you understand what I mean. When I initially began discussing various circumstances, I was immediately labeled a moralist and Zip's defender. Later, I reiterated my arguments favoring basic rationality - 'innocent until proven guilty.' People repeated the same criticisms but now called me naive. Then came an outright offensive post that moderation later removed.

Are you suggesting these individuals didn't immediately attack him after the subscription changes? You've written about this yourself. I find that hard to believe. I've witnessed how futile it is here to present a simple argument: you lack evidence. Everything Zip did falls within his personal prerogative and breaches no agreements. Breaking promises? That constitutes no proof whatsoever.

Yes, you have to believe the creator that when he was supposed to update he had to move or there was a power outage (quotes from Zip ) Your comment is completely out of touch with reality but I'm not going to convince you. You have to see the truth for yourself. It took me a long time

Let me reiterate—this is not a definitive claim. Must I repeat the same thing ten or twenty times? I’m merely speculating about potential life circumstances. Basic logic and causality exist—there could have been force majeure events. Anything might have happened in Zip’s life. I don’t know him personally and can only rely on online information, which, by the way, might be unreliable. What exactly are you trying to convince me of? That there won’t be an update? And what then? As I’ve said before: maybe there won’t be one, or maybe he’ll surprise everyone and release it.

I have never written that he broke the law. I once wrote that the most honest payment is payment for creation. Generally, it is as the less skeptical write. Subscription is a voluntary payment without the obligation to get something for it. Where is the breaking of the law here?

But you never actually wrote that! I don't understand—I'm being precise in my wording. I stated that if he had violated the platform's terms of service—specifically regarding financial manipulation through subscriptions or abuse of his position—the administration would have immediately become aware. Consequently, his account would have been suspended. They'd learn of this through defrauded users who lost money on these subscriptions. Those victims would file complaints detailing their grievances against the developer. All this gets investigated. The administration monitors such matters.

Yet! We see Zip continuing his operations, including financial activities.