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Emperor_Arcturus

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As a male gamer, having a character I identify with makes me not want to play. I don't really care about male MC's that much, but if it's trying to make me identify with the male MC then I'm out. I come to play as someone else, not as myself, my life sucks as is I don't need it to suck in games as well. Also what are you talking about with Dating my Daughter? That was made by MrDots, who then made Melody, another male MC game. Glamour was made by the Big Brother dev, which was a mix of good and bad for its own reasons, one of them being, in my opinion anyway, the male MC just being unlikeable generally, as well as other things. Your welcome to your choice, but I'm willing to bet most of the people on this site either like female MC's more than male's, or don't really care about who's the MC as long as the game's good. So far, even from this demo version, this game definitely has a lot of potential to be good. Add that together with the good Doc's history of The Manor generally being seen as a very good game, and I'm willing to bet this will be very good too, with the female MC not making much of a difference besides preference.
 

TomberryDude

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What stops you to identify as the males that are banging the female MC?
Can't speak for anyone else but I can't identify as 30 different characters in the same game that are NPC and most of of which don't even appear much.

I identify as the character I'm playing and that's why I don't like rape and stuff. What's happening to my character happens to me. And rape is a horrifyign thing I certainly don't want to be a victim of. (again, speaking strictly for myself and nobody else here)
 

AmazonessKing

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What stops you to identify as the males that are banging the female MC?
I'm not playing as them, they are just random guys. You remember most female porn stars and little male porn stars for a reason, a male character needs to be really memorable for you to even care. Furthermore, I ask you, what do you think is more interesting, 100 sex scenes depicting the same woman over and over, or 25 sex scenes between 4 different women? Put a male character you can care for as a vehicle for it and, well... The rest is history.

I should really leave the thread, though, I don't want to bother.
 
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Sieglinde

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Jul 2, 2018
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I loved this! I'm so glad to see you back on the scene with a new project! Pretty cool so far, has a lot of potential. I really like the choice of having a female MC, especially since the plot seems to be going the path of her being a kind of "Innocent slut", or maybe a slow corruption, which are both totally my cup of tea.

Your sprite work also looks a bit nicer, like an upgrade of what you did in the Manor. Speaking of the Manor, it's clear you've got a type.... Good taste, my man. Redheads are sexy.

I'm looking forward to seeing the next update! The only thing I could see being an issue later is the after cutscene intro being unskippable, but it looks like you already posted that you'll get that in the next update. Nice!
 

maxx mad

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Now tha the first release for BT:SG is out of the way, I resume the work on the next build for The Manor. So, stay tunned.
V0.01 + two games developed simultaneously ?
Please wake me up in two years, if it's still in development ...

Maybe it happened, i'm not the h-game bible but i can't remember of any dev completing two games he was developing simultaneously.
 

Oseo Bones

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I'm not playing as them, they are just random guys. You remember most female porn stars and little male porn stars for a reason, a male character needs to be really memorable for you to even care. Furthermore, I ask you, what do you think is more interesting, 100 sex scenes depicting the same woman over and over, or 25 sex scenes between 4 different women? Put a male character you can care for as a vehicle for it and, well... The rest is history.

I should really leave the thread, though, I don't want to bother.
You remember the female pornstars because you watch the video for the female pornstar (Unless you are watching for the male, which is fine, if you like that). Now... you arguments are full of wholes... why would you want a memorable, full on developmet male MC personallity if you want to self-insert yourself in his shoes?.

You know wht I like RPGs?, because you roleplay... you play a role, and playing a role not necessarilly means that you play yourself. But that's just me. I dont play incest game because I want to have sex with my family, I played them because I get the "hots" for playing characters that happen to do just that. I don't play female RPGs because I feel like a woman, I play them because I like to be able to control her actions, I dont consider myself the girl. It is not that hard to understand. But again, if you don't like that, that0s just fine....

Characters are memorable depending on what you like to see in them, it is all subjective to the consumer... do you understad that trying to force others to like ONLY the things you like is absurd and inconsecuential?. People won't change their tastes only because you don't share them... you are only creating unnecesary conflicts. My advice: If you don't like something, then move on, let the ones that do like it enjoy their stuff.... and move on, just move on. I don't like scat nor water-sports, but I dont go on their threads saying they should "change their ways", because they won't, and I don't care. I just move on.

will you do minotaur or werewolf or other big dick creatures?
Most probably, yes.


V0.01 + two games developed simultaneously ?
Please wake me up in two years, if it's still in development ...

Maybe it happened, i'm not the h-game bible but i can't remember of any dev completing two games he was developing simultaneously.
Yeah, you're right, Maybe it will be better just to cancel both projects and quit the industry. Why even try, right?.
 

Xaoyu

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I only play Female protagonist games and precisely because i'm a male who does not identify to the character he plays.

I don't try to create an image of myself in a game or a different version of myself, i don't see the interest of that. What is cool is creating my girl fantasm into a game. Controlling her the way i'd like a girl make her choices regarding the events she encounters.

Anyway your game looks very promising Oseo Bones. I'll really look forward for more content. Like the drawings and the character appearance.

Only one think : the unskipable dialogs take too long in my opinion.
 
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AmazonessKing

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why would you want a memorable, full on developmet male MC personallity if you want to self-insert yourself in his shoes?
There are 2 kind of main characters: blank sheets and characters properly said. Take Final Fantasy as an example, Final Fantasy 1 is very different from Final Fantasy 7 for this reason. There's so much you can go with blank sheets in term of story, and that's a problem when most of the things you do in your game is read and interactions are based on text rather than visual representations because you are limited to it. Games like Skyrim are easier to have blank sheets because they are more visual than a game in the NES or PS1 was, so they needed ways to make the main character interesting, and thus the story, and this is even more important in visual novels.

But having a character with personality doesn't mean you can't identify with it. If you give the player to input a name, even if they don't input their own, you want something for them to be hooked into, and many many times you see complain about how MCs act like idiots either because they don't have personalities or lack motivation to move the plot forward, which is kinda important when text is prominent in your games.

If you see a character that is cool, you either want to self-insert as that cool character, specially if it has your name, or you are simply interested in seeing how the story ends for said character. My best example is Yuuji from the Grisaia serie.

You said so yourself, a roleplaying game doesn't mean you are necessarily playing yourself, I never said that, but it means YOU, in this context the player, is the one playing, and as a person previously said, they don't want to play as themselves for a variety of reasons, but they want to play themselves, and even though this is not limited by gender in most cases, psychologically this is the path to go, even when you personally have a different taste and preference for female MCs, you can get hooked easily if you are represented and attracted to a "strong" male character. Doesn't have to be very complex, just someone you may like. And it does apply to females, even, like Final Fantasy 6, which is considered one of the best Final Fantasy games, but a lot of people agree that Terra is probably the worst part of FF6, to the point characters like Squall and Cloud are more popular despite their games being considered lesser in some cases and Celes, Locke and Kefka being more popular than Terra herself. In a semi unrelated note: When a side character is better written than your main character, people usually like it better and want more content with said character, as previously mentioned, and that's still valid. Like Golbez in Final Fantasy 4.

I hate the thought of "everything is subjective", because yes, tastes will always exists, but that doesn't change that objectivity should always be worked on. In what aspect? Well, this is about development, isn't it? Let's put 2 japanese developers as example: You have Black Lilith, which is a company that will always make games about rape and the such. If you don't like rape, you avoid Black Lilith. Then you have Moonstone, that develops bishoujo games for women, but they themselves have sub-brands like Moonstone Cherry that develops nukiges. The cool thing with japanese developers is that they have been making these games for so long they know how they should divide themselves, who to focus to, and solely focus on that aspect for a very minor exceptions. In this case is like Alicesoft decided to make Rance a woman for some reason and expect people to be happy with it.
 

ierichonus

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Well just asking, but is MC are 18+ yo? If that so, why is she so naive, even if she dont have a lot of communication experience, she is a woman after all, and I believe have some tastes and principles. I mean if she meets new world, she may try to observe ppl and events, be cautious cus lack of experience, but those talks seem not real for me.
 

goatwhisperer3

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Oh a cute redhead and well amde art. Bones also already stands for some quality standard for the content but having 2 projects at the same time is a double edged sword for progress..... I need ALL the content ( ' -')


Well just asking, but is MC are 18+ yo? If that so, why is she so naive, even if she dont have a lot of communication experience, she is a woman after all, and I believe have some tastes and principles. I mean if she meets new world, she may try to observe ppl and events, be cautious cus lack of experience, but those talks seem not real for me.
turning 18 doesnt magically give you any common sense. There are so many people out there proving that every day....
 

TomberryDude

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Now... you arguments are full of wholes... why would you want a memorable, full on developmet male MC personallity if you want to self-insert yourself in his shoes?.
The way I see it. There's two types of interesting MC. Characters I wanna be like, someone you can admire a model. And characters I could be like, someone I can relate too and yes insert myself in the story.
Characters are memorable depending on what you like to see in them, it is all subjective to the consumer...
I think you're right here, though. I tend to like blank slate characters because I like to play RPGs "as myself" or close. Doesn't mean everyone does or should. And when they're too blank it can become really boring. That's why I like Wind Waker so much. Link is generic enough that I can put myself in his... green tunic but he's got enough personality to be interesting and likable himself.

I do believe just because someone has tastes that don't align with the majority doesn't mean they don't deserve to have games made "for" them that they can like. Variety is important.

I also don't think a developer should always do something "similar" to what they did before that worked. It's one way to do things, a pretty good one especially when it comes to making money and "fans" but it's not the only viable way.
 

Carmen Sandiego

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I'm not really a fan of female protags but I'm not going to bash the game for it either. I don't have to drink every cup of tea I see, ya know? I mean seriously, that's like being a vegetarian then eating a steak but calling the steak shit because you don't like steak. Nobody fucking cares. That said, it's still Bones's quality art, which looks great, and I'm sure the game will be good. I wish the dev nothing but success on his latest project. Just don't forget about The Manor, eh Doc ;)
 

Oseo Bones

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Aug 10, 2017
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There are 2 kind of main characters: blank sheets and characters properly said. Take Final Fantasy as an example, Final Fantasy 1 is very different from Final Fantasy 7 for this reason. There's so much you can go with blank sheets in term of story, and that's a problem when most of the things you do in your game is read and interactions are based on text rather than visual representations because you are limited to it. Games like Skyrim are easier to have blank sheets because they are more visual than a game in the NES or PS1 was, so they needed ways to make the main character interesting, and thus the story, and this is even more important in visual novels.

But having a character with personality doesn't mean you can't identify with it. If you give the player to input a name, even if they don't input their own, you want something for them to be hooked into, and many many times you see complain about how MCs act like idiots either because they don't have personalities or lack motivation to move the plot forward, which is kinda important when text is prominent in your games.

If you see a character that is cool, you either want to self-insert as that cool character, specially if it has your name, or you are simply interested in seeing how the story ends for said character. My best example is Yuuji from the Grisaia serie.

You said so yourself, a roleplaying game doesn't mean you are necessarily playing yourself, I never said that, but it means YOU, in this context the player, is the one playing, and as a person previously said, they don't want to play as themselves for a variety of reasons, but they want to play themselves, and even though this is not limited by gender in most cases, psychologically this is the path to go, even when you personally have a different taste and preference for female MCs, you can get hooked easily if you are represented and attracted to a "strong" male character. Doesn't have to be very complex, just someone you may like. And it does apply to females, even, like Final Fantasy 6, which is considered one of the best Final Fantasy games, but a lot of people agree that Terra is probably the worst part of FF6, to the point characters like Squall and Cloud are more popular despite their games being considered lesser in some cases and Celes, Locke and Kefka being more popular than Terra herself. In a semi unrelated note: When a side character is better written than your main character, people usually like it better and want more content with said character, as previously mentioned, and that's still valid. Like Golbez in Final Fantasy 4.

I hate the thought of "everything is subjective", because yes, tastes will always exists, but that doesn't change that objectivity should always be worked on. In what aspect? Well, this is about development, isn't it? Let's put 2 japanese developers as example: You have Black Lilith, which is a company that will always make games about rape and the such. If you don't like rape, you avoid Black Lilith. Then you have Moonstone, that develops bishoujo games for women, but they themselves have sub-brands like Moonstone Cherry that develops nukiges. The cool thing with japanese developers is that they have been making these games for so long they know how they should divide themselves, who to focus to, and solely focus on that aspect for a very minor exceptions. In this case is like Alicesoft decided to make Rance a woman for some reason and expect people to be happy with it.

Hating the thought of "everything is subjective" (Which I never said, I said "tastes are subjective"), While giving all subjective arguments is kinda funny. Even if the large percentage of people goes for the "Alpha Male" protagonist, that does not mean, that there are not people that prefer a more humanized character, with flaws and imperfections. But again, tastes are subjective, people like different things... people creates different things. Saying that is a "development" thing is not accurate, there are different fanbases and costumers. I mean, if you wanna go the "business" route and sell stuff, of course, make a poll and make only what MOST people want, you'll be rich if your product is good enough. Me... I just don't have any intention of doing that.
But hey, if you are adamant about the business thing... this is a entertainment business, and entertainment is heavelly based on preferences, tastes, etc. If you want to be on a more objective field, you should become a doctor where subjective interpretation MUST be minimum.

Now, please... I beg of you: Stop giving arguments about "what should be right" from a subjective point of view from where you simple dislike Female Mcs because you don't feel pulled to it... that's you (and a lot others, I know, and it's fine) but not all feel like you.

Just be honest and finally admit that you just wanted to voice your dislike, because that's fine, I already told you. But don't go around trying to convince people that what they like is wrong because "business"... that's so unnecesary.

This is the last time I reply to this "argument", mainly because I'm just waisting my, and everyvody's time. I will love to live in a world were people just go on their way when something is not "good" for them, and let the rest have their thing.... but sadly, we are not. And people like you remind me of that everyday. And that.... man...

that rattles me bones.

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AmazonessKing

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Well, to make things short, I would usually look to the other way as soon as I find the "female protagonist tag", just like I turned off prefixes like "DAZ", but in this case I went in solely because "Cool, the new Mr. Bones game", just to be severely disappointed, and that's the reason why I voiced my dislike, not because it is a female protagonist game I can easily ignore as I always do, but because it felt like deception, that lead to what is "wrong or right", which can be and is objective. I didn't mean to have an "argument", in the first place, nor waste your time, so I will also leave it at that.
 

akirahikaru

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Crashed when boy was carrying the protaganist to his house, after almost dropping her the image changed and he noticed he felt her up was still doing it but the frame crashed. might've been a 1 time thing but posting this as a possible bug.
 
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