Ren'Py Boundaries of Morality [v0.667] [Novel]
Acsuka
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The only answer to what you listed is: Developer laziness... Or incompetence... The DEV has set itself a single goal: Emma's corruption, and you can't do anything about it... It's impossible to separate the different paths, and it's unbelievable that the testers don't even point out these many errors. Or no one even tests the given updates. I started a clean game twice before because I thought I had messed something up, but no, I got the same absurd scenes. This could be a fantastic game if these fatal errors weren't in the game. If a game maker can't differentiate between paths, in cutscenes and dialogues, (plus stats) then they shouldn't make a "choice-based" game... I like corruption games, but if the game mechanics allow for a loyal path, then it's expected that Emma won't fuck half the city on this path... That's it...In my eyes...this is the main problem. I used to love the Story and the Game. Currently, it feels like the game completely ignores MY stats. Whether you play "faithful" or "slut," she (Emma) always reacts the same, which is totally illogical.For example, in that stupid bar game... NO woman with high morals would take off her panties and put them on the counter. That s complete nonsense. Same with Tyler... he lets Justin s wife grope him... even though he has nothing to do with her. Totally unbelievable. Emma grinding on Justin s lap WITHOUT a Choice... that s nonsense too and a no go. It looks like the dev just left out NECESSARY options. The scenes with Viktor really piss me off. She (Emma) does NOTHING... and the dev gives us NO options here either. What woman (who is faithful) would let her boss grope and harass her like that???
Right now, the game is just a "cheating simulator," and many scenes are forced. That s crap... either ALL choices (AND STATS) are taken into account (and the game scenes change accordingly), or the choices aren t taken into account. But then the game should be labeled accordingly (KN).
Mercedes
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Restarting version 0.600
I also noticed that, apart from the implementation of values in decisions, it doesn't make sense the other way around either.
You decide to do something with Tyler, but you get a point deduction in your relationship values.
You want to cuddle with him and get a point deduction.
You want sex, but Tyler is annoyed, and there's no sex, but you gain points in your relationship.
Missing images for actions.
Yes, I found the hint for the promo code. But if you want to take off your shirt on the balcony at the weekend, there's neither the hint nor the images. They're simply missing.
You end up back in the bedroom fully dressed, and the value changes hover across the screen.
Quest: Meet up with your neighbors on Sunday between 5:00 PM and 7:00 PM. There's just no action button for it. You can only move around the house and can't even travel into town until the action suddenly starts automatically at 7:00 PM. Okay, 6:00 p.m. is between 5 and 7:00 p.m. So it's not entirely wrong, but it's confusing because it initially sounds like a voluntary action, but then it happens under duress.
Continuity errors in the already criticized game of spin the bottle aren't relevant here. I'm not talking about the game being inappropriate for a couple's first public evening together, but rather about incorrect context.
For example, you choose dare twice, but Shelly refers to a previously asked question. This question was never asked because you never chose that option.
Also, Shelly answers incorrectly. The question was about being in the bar with someone other than Justin. And Jason Momoa isn't in the bar. So she should actually be punished. In return, Emma answered the question posed to her. Punishing her for not going into detail is also against the rules.
I don't know how best to describe it, but you no longer feel like a decision-maker.
The developer wants this to happen now, and you can't avoid it. And when you experience a new scene, you don't feel rewarded because you didn't actively work toward it.
Four months ago, I gave it a 5-star rating. Currently, I'm inclined to revise it. I'll wait for the next update and see what might be changed.
I also noticed that, apart from the implementation of values in decisions, it doesn't make sense the other way around either.
You decide to do something with Tyler, but you get a point deduction in your relationship values.
You want to cuddle with him and get a point deduction.
You want sex, but Tyler is annoyed, and there's no sex, but you gain points in your relationship.
Missing images for actions.
Yes, I found the hint for the promo code. But if you want to take off your shirt on the balcony at the weekend, there's neither the hint nor the images. They're simply missing.
You end up back in the bedroom fully dressed, and the value changes hover across the screen.
Quest: Meet up with your neighbors on Sunday between 5:00 PM and 7:00 PM. There's just no action button for it. You can only move around the house and can't even travel into town until the action suddenly starts automatically at 7:00 PM. Okay, 6:00 p.m. is between 5 and 7:00 p.m. So it's not entirely wrong, but it's confusing because it initially sounds like a voluntary action, but then it happens under duress.
Continuity errors in the already criticized game of spin the bottle aren't relevant here. I'm not talking about the game being inappropriate for a couple's first public evening together, but rather about incorrect context.
For example, you choose dare twice, but Shelly refers to a previously asked question. This question was never asked because you never chose that option.
Also, Shelly answers incorrectly. The question was about being in the bar with someone other than Justin. And Jason Momoa isn't in the bar. So she should actually be punished. In return, Emma answered the question posed to her. Punishing her for not going into detail is also against the rules.
I don't know how best to describe it, but you no longer feel like a decision-maker.
The developer wants this to happen now, and you can't avoid it. And when you experience a new scene, you don't feel rewarded because you didn't actively work toward it.
Four months ago, I gave it a 5-star rating. Currently, I'm inclined to revise it. I'll wait for the next update and see what might be changed.
Saerwen
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The game is bugged right now and choices are messed up so it's unplayable. Hopefully this will get fixed, though I think the dev is on purpose mixing up routes, idk. It's almost a kinetic novel.
What’s stopping you from submitting a proper bug report?
You do want the game to improve, right?
Saying “something’s messed up somewhere, go find it” isn’t exactly helpful.
Where exactly? What choices? What scene?
And just to let you in on a little secret — the issue might actually be in the localization, not the game logic itself.
The developers write and test the game in Russian first.
The English version of the game isn’t tested by the developer it’s only reviewed by the community and a couple of volunteer testers.
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Saerwen
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It's no secret. It was obvious that the dev is a Russian which I made post about it before.What’s stopping you from submitting a proper bug report?
You do want the game to improve, right?
Saying “something’s messed up somewhere, go find it” isn’t exactly helpful.
Where exactly? What choices? What scene?
And just to let you in on a little secret — the issue might actually be in the localization, not the game logic itself.
The developers write and test the game in Russian first.
You still haven’t answered what’s stopping you from submitting this as a proper bug report?
I liked this update to be honest I am ok with slow corruption games this update without going in to much detail has opened up and put a reason for cheating with the power play going on in work added another character going after the fmc at the bar and to the poster that said 0.6 means its about half way done i highly doubt it with the introduction of beach guy bar guy justin and the 2 guys at work and the photographer and peeping tom id say the story is about to branch out now that most of the ground work has been done giving depth to each character. This project is more likely going to take the dev a few years to properly flesh out if he can keep the pace of updates he has done since he started in april.
I do understand ppl might not like the grind in the game but it does allow you to avoid content to some extent.
I do like the office story it is fairly believable to offer power and status but what are you willing to do to get it very interesting soo far and which side to pick the playboy victor or stern controlling boss
Those ppl that want instant corruption and the fmc to be sucking every dick around id tell you to go play other games for 6 months and then come back as id guess Paris is maybe the first cheating instance chance for the fmc and if each update adds 3-4 days that would make Paris 2 updates away but this is just a guess on my part dont quote me on it
I do understand ppl might not like the grind in the game but it does allow you to avoid content to some extent.
I do like the office story it is fairly believable to offer power and status but what are you willing to do to get it very interesting soo far and which side to pick the playboy victor or stern controlling boss
Those ppl that want instant corruption and the fmc to be sucking every dick around id tell you to go play other games for 6 months and then come back as id guess Paris is maybe the first cheating instance chance for the fmc and if each update adds 3-4 days that would make Paris 2 updates away but this is just a guess on my part dont quote me on it
Mercedes
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To chime in on nemoi l and StrawberryCheese83's discussion.
I understand both points here. I'm inclined to agree with both in part, but also to disagree with certain points, because, as already mentioned, opinions are being expressed here.
I find the logic in the game lacking in some places.
You can choose some options at home, you can choose some options at work, but then there are scenes where you have no influence at all. All the actions with Viktor, in particular, stand out negatively and deviate completely from the previous gaming experience. It feels as if a completely different programmer was involved, one who hadn't played the game before.
I also understand the argument that the developer wants to follow their story first. But if player opinions increasingly criticize how the game is developing, perhaps developers should rethink their approach. Of course, it's still their game and their story. The first releases promised a triple-A RPG, but it's increasingly veering towards a B-movie.
Releasing on Steam (I don't have access to it in Germany) will obviously put additional pressure on the game and require new content quickly. Although I don't fully understand the developer's business model.
On Steam, I'd buy it once and then receive automatic updates and patches, right? On Patreon, on the other hand, I'd have to spend a considerable amount of money every month if I wanted to experience the additional scenes. And I'd be quite willing to pay. These days, I prefer Itch.io because you can decide when to get an update without being subject to a monthly subscription.
Of course, you could also sign up, cancel, sign up, and cancel on Patreon. But that shouldn't become the norm.
The game has a lot of positive things to offer, but disempowering the player won't do it any good.
I understand both points here. I'm inclined to agree with both in part, but also to disagree with certain points, because, as already mentioned, opinions are being expressed here.
I find the logic in the game lacking in some places.
You can choose some options at home, you can choose some options at work, but then there are scenes where you have no influence at all. All the actions with Viktor, in particular, stand out negatively and deviate completely from the previous gaming experience. It feels as if a completely different programmer was involved, one who hadn't played the game before.
I also understand the argument that the developer wants to follow their story first. But if player opinions increasingly criticize how the game is developing, perhaps developers should rethink their approach. Of course, it's still their game and their story. The first releases promised a triple-A RPG, but it's increasingly veering towards a B-movie.
Releasing on Steam (I don't have access to it in Germany) will obviously put additional pressure on the game and require new content quickly. Although I don't fully understand the developer's business model.
On Steam, I'd buy it once and then receive automatic updates and patches, right? On Patreon, on the other hand, I'd have to spend a considerable amount of money every month if I wanted to experience the additional scenes. And I'd be quite willing to pay. These days, I prefer Itch.io because you can decide when to get an update without being subject to a monthly subscription.
Of course, you could also sign up, cancel, sign up, and cancel on Patreon. But that shouldn't become the norm.
The game has a lot of positive things to offer, but disempowering the player won't do it any good.
Saerwen
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Please write down the exact location, the line of dialogue, or specific phrase so it can actually be found in the script, along with a description of what you believe is incorrect. That’s the only way to properly identify and address a bug.Since you're "obviously" a buddy of the Dev, maybe you could file a bug report!?! Wouldn t that be something? Maybe your word carries more weight...?! No offense!
That said, just to set expectations at this stage, the developer is not planning to revise any scenes tied to the central storyline.
There are no critical bugs in those sequences and everything else is, from the developer’s point of view, currently minor.
He’s been very clear: he doesn’t want to get bogged down in endless revisions.
Whether people like it or not, the current development strategy is focused on moving forward and growing the audience not rewriting what’s already been released.
That said, some scenes may receive alternative paths or outcomes in the future but the developer plans to revisit them only after the project reaches around 70–80% completion.
Mercedes
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I just tried it and it works.
Downloaded, installed, and unlocked the three missing scenes without any problems.
Does anyone have the save to pass? The wall of mini updates behind the sandbox doesn't show everything.
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The developer does this on purpose? Don't you see where this is going? Three updates ago, he purposely made scenes with the husband in every update, when the others have an LP mode. I'm definitely forgetting about this one.
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