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I'd love to see your top 5 or 10 list of ntr games, please!!So in reference to my initial post for electing the game as GOTY, here are my reasons. Since I figure most people don't want to read an essay I'll try to keep it as succinct as possible:
Prenote: I've been in the industry for over 15 years and seen the rise of NTR to the trends it is today. While I haven't created many games, I have been involved in many projects and held a blog/review base until I retired. In other words, I've played h-games longer than some people here have walked. Some of the best NTR games in history I consider are NTRPG series, [Pick] series, and [Venus] series. I post very rarely here, but I wish to post this one out of passion. While this game is amazing it also has flaws, but I'll ignore the flaws as devs need guidance more than "error-pointing" these days.
-Suspense/Shadow: This is the #1 factor of what makes NTR games NTR and this is what largely contributed to making this game a success. Without the shadow/indirect sex factor, it is not considered NTR in my opinion. [Derpixon] a famous H-animator most people will know highlights this in works by literally making a video on NewGrounds of H-scenes ALL in suspense/indirect sex scenes. Ironically, this in itself is a fetish, but it contributes immensely to the NTR factor. This games does an AMAZING job with the suspense factor. One detailed scene that I cannot forget is when the MC wakes up from bed within the first 10 seconds of the game. Typical heroine/hero romance situation "wake up onii-chan" shit. Most players will dismiss this as a typical intro but it serves an important purpose as it is the pinnacle to the heroine's change in corruption factor. As a result, later throughout the game, we revisit this exact scene with the heroine's shirt unbuttoned. Once you see and realize this, it's like 0-100 excitement. Having this "what happened" and pinpointing factor as such a small detail is what creates excitement for the player. The small details ARE the H-scenes themselves. If you played any of the NTRPG games, you'll know what I'm talking about.
-Perspective Factor: This game offers perspectives in all viewpoints, but it does it correctly in that it includes elements that focus on the "player knows but not the MC". The MC never instantly finds out he's being stolen but is gradually built up to it while letting the player immediately know more than him. And not just because we're playing from the girl's perspective, but because the ghost lets us do so. Since the player knows more than the MC, and we get to see this through the ghost, this builds up suspense and is very gratifying. Furthermore, we don't care about the sex scenes between the 2 themselves as much. What we do care and find way more hotter is the MC looming around WHILE they're having sex. The devs don't need to present this long drawn out AH AH AH sex scene between the old man and the girl, but the devs do need to draw out more perspectives in how other characters either see, hear, or think about the 2 characters having sex. More perspectives = more new things to discover = more excitement and yearning for more.
-Ignorance Factor: Yes, the MC and usually is, a dim-witted idiot. However, there's a fine line between a complete dumbass and someone that you, as a player, want to NTR due to our competitive male nature. Here's a good looking guy, innocent, competing against a fat ugly old guy. By having the fat guy win, the dev is letting the player know that due to the good looking guy's ignorance, he is losing the male competition to the fat ugly old guy. For some reason, this ignites inner male competition and is a turn on factor. Maybe because this seems like if a fat old ugly guy can win, maybe we, the player, would have a chance with that kind of girl in real life. I'm not sure, this is a bit difficult to explain. The profile of these guys is preference to user, but the main element of point here is that the dev created these characters in mind of the "ignorance being preyed" upon factor.
-After math/Lingering Factor: In the NTR genre we don't have this enough. First, the sprites were top notch. I know it's due to the extra budgeting and difficulty in finding an appropriate sprite animator, but when it's done right like this it's hot. Second, the dev doesn't just slap together a CG and sprite scene, he introduces the scene USING sprite animations as both a beginning and finisher. The initial excitement begins with the off-corner sprite animation, then CG, and finally lets the player thoroughly ride the high of the H-scene by leaving the player with another sprite animation. This is an excellent format that many devs do not use (does not have to be sprite but needs the lingering factor). If you want to create the impacting NTR scene into the player, you must have an after-math/lingering notion that the player can ride as a high. Integrate into the player's head that this guy/girl is getting cucked hard as fuck and do not let them think the game is vanilla. One good element to include is pregnancy. This is the ultimate lingering/after math factor and more devs need to include this. It's the ultimate form of NTR due to male nature but they need to also include how their life is in the next 5-10 years (this game doesn't include this but I thought I'd mention it).
-Multiple endings: A very big problem NTR devs cannot decide is to whether or not let the MC find out he's being cucked and take revenge. This is a huge debate, but I believe it falls into personal taste. I personally prefer the MC never finds, but the dev in this game gave us the option to allow the MC to achieve a happy ending sort of. Usually it's just 1 route of "oh my god my girl is getting fucked the end".
-Other common factors: Sprites, cg variation in outfits/expressions, a proper CG-gallery (not just the images but introducing the scene)
I could write way more but these are just a couple reasons why I believe this is the #1 GOTY NTR game of the year. However, this does not mean the game had its flaws. And yes, this game also had a LOT of flaws but most can be dismissed due to sheer lack of manpower and resources. I sincerely thank the translator who did this, and I feel he shared the same passion for this game as many of us do. I hope that many people learn throughout the years that H-games can only grow through technology and sharing of passion. Do not kink shame. In all the industries I've swapped around, porn/hentai is by far the true brotherhood creed that guys will help each other out. It's ironic and hilarious, but also endearing and inspiring.
Edit: I lied, here's an essay
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Its not on the forum since its not translated but his other game can be found at:
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Yeah! Hurt me daddy!
Love ya right back...full homo.
I've got a pussy now, so, ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°).
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I found it, quertyasdf . So easy. Go ahead, full straigh, and in next room there is a button in the boxes. It makes drop an item from the clock.
Thunderhips, thanks for translating this one. Have played a lot of ntr games and this one was one of the best for me, just right balance between ntr and not going full dark like DHP.
Can't wait for update and new scenes of those 3 glorious days alone with girls.
Can't wait for update and new scenes of those 3 glorious days alone with girls.
- Jun 27, 2017
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Sure, this is also in reply to the other guy. I'm glad many of you liked the last post about my review. Anyways, I can provide some games but there is HUGE bias in my selections. After all, hentai/porn in general is extremely subjective.
I haven't played many NTR games recently, but this is mainly due to the fact that 95% of them are crap. The guy before saying that the genre gets dry is true. NTR gets boring eventually and that's why netori and all these other subgenres popped up. Only the ones with good artwork are worth playing and even using this as a shallow reason, the games usually don't delve into the NTR factor as deep as this thread's game. Additionally, NTR is not my favorite genre. I actually prefer shota/milf games and know way more about that genre. With that said, here's my list of games/circles that focus only on NTR in no particular order.
WARNING: Come at these with low expectations. The artwork is not that great on these games. If you have high expectations, you will ALWAYS be disappointed.
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NTRPG2: A sprite ONLY game no CG that is 100% NTR and focuses only on NTR. This game was the start of the NTR industry and both defined and inspired so many devs/artists to begin making NTR games. You don't know what true NTR is until you play this. Majority of people here have played this, but I still recommend this game to newbie NTR people. I will reiterate again, this game is ONLY appreciated and reveled for its NTR. The sprites are decent at best, there's no cg/images, the sounds are TRASH, and there is no story variation. S+ for being an NTR game, D- for being a Hentai game.
Warning about this game^ it will mentally scar you without a doubt. The weak minded should not play this game, it truly leaves you in an emotional and negative mess.
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Circle [Venus] games: Doujin/reading game. Any of the [Venus] circle games in particular are great AFTER this one. This one was the first one I played by Venus and that's how I became a fan of Venus. His games all follow a certain NTR formula and he executes his scenes very fluidly for an immersive experience. I will warn you though that all of his games have A VERY LONG INTRODUCTION (30 minutes to 1 hour reading fast, maybe 2-4 hours for slow readers). He really focuses on immersion in his games, so that is why I appreciate them very much. Additionally, his CG/scenes are amazing due to tons of variations. A- for being an NTR game, B+ for being a Hentai game.
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Circle [Pick] games: Traditional hentai game. I do not recommend any games before this game. He truly made a name for himself by choosing this game and the ones after. This game is slightly similar to NTRPG but uses CG instead of sprites to display NTR scenes. It shares the same type of story but also has a VERY LONG INTRODUCTION. This game also focuses more on the corruption factor rather than NTR. However, NTR and corruption go hand in hand together very well so I still consider this a good game to recommend. His latest game is coming out at the end of the year and many folks are looking forward to it. These games also contain loli but they let you choose your route between a loli/milf. I do not like loli, but the NTR elements he chose in this game were excellent. Additionally, his CG is not very good. A for being an NTR game, C- for being a Hentai game.
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Circle [Studio Pork] games: Netori doujin game. While this game doesn't really focus on the NTR factor, I just threw this in as a bonus because their CGs are S tier. Play this game because you fap to the pictures mainly. C- for being an NTR game, A+ for being a Hentai game.
I chose these games in particular because they are used as examples to devs for what to include in an NTR game, not as games to copy. They are older works but will age very well throughout time. Once you play these games and grasp what true NTR is, you will see how 95% of NTR games are trash. And that is because devs don't take the time/money/resources/manpower to create a compelling story. This is because NTR games require immersion, long introductions, and tons of variation in CG and paths. It is far more profitable for someone to make a short 5 minute game that just has S-tier artwork rather than try to cater to a small portion of the hentai demographics market.
Thanks for reading and I'd rather much provide recommendations for other genres. NTR in general is a low profit market.
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Personally this game is probably my second favorite NTR game of the year so far. I've never had the character defect of needing to self insert to read a story so personally I prefer female protag NTR stories and imo The Curse of Kubel was the best of the year. Great art (even if the MC isn't my to my personal preferences, the art itself is good), a strong story, and most important for me: it actually had gameplay you could play around if you wanted to. About the only thing I'd strongly come out in a negative for it is the "Virgin heroine" trope which to be perfectly frank I'm bored of. But there's some things you'll never get rid of in Japanese based games.So in reference to my initial post for electing the game as GOTY, here are my reasons. Since I figure most people don't want to read an essay I'll try to keep it as succinct as possible:
Prenote: I've been in the industry for over 15 years and seen the rise of NTR to the trends it is today. While I haven't created many games, I have been involved in many projects and held a blog/review base until I retired. In other words, I've played h-games longer than some people here have walked. Some of the best NTR games in history I consider are NTRPG series, [Pick] series, and [Venus] series. I post very rarely here, but I wish to post this one out of passion. While this game is amazing it also has flaws, but I'll ignore the flaws as devs need guidance more than "error-pointing" these days.
-Suspense/Shadow: This is the #1 factor of what makes NTR games NTR and this is what largely contributed to making this game a success. Without the shadow/indirect sex factor, it is not considered NTR in my opinion. [Derpixon] a famous H-animator most people will know highlights this in works by literally making a video on NewGrounds of H-scenes ALL in suspense/indirect sex scenes. Ironically, this in itself is a fetish, but it contributes immensely to the NTR factor. This games does an AMAZING job with the suspense factor. One detailed scene that I cannot forget is when the MC wakes up from bed within the first 10 seconds of the game. Typical heroine/hero romance situation "wake up onii-chan" shit. Most players will dismiss this as a typical intro but it serves an important purpose as it is the pinnacle to the heroine's change in corruption factor. As a result, later throughout the game, we revisit this exact scene with the heroine's shirt unbuttoned. Once you see and realize this, it's like 0-100 excitement. Having this "what happened" and pinpointing factor as such a small detail is what creates excitement for the player. The small details ARE the H-scenes themselves. If you played any of the NTRPG games, you'll know what I'm talking about.
-Perspective Factor: This game offers perspectives in all viewpoints, but it does it correctly in that it includes elements that focus on the "player knows but not the MC". The MC never instantly finds out he's being stolen but is gradually built up to it while letting the player immediately know more than him. And not just because we're playing from the girl's perspective, but because the ghost lets us do so. Since the player knows more than the MC, and we get to see this through the ghost, this builds up suspense and is very gratifying. Furthermore, we don't care about the sex scenes between the 2 themselves as much. What we do care and find way more hotter is the MC looming around WHILE they're having sex. The devs don't need to present this long drawn out AH AH AH sex scene between the old man and the girl, but the devs do need to draw out more perspectives in how other characters either see, hear, or think about the 2 characters having sex. More perspectives = more new things to discover = more excitement and yearning for more.
-Ignorance Factor: Yes, the MC and usually is, a dim-witted idiot. However, there's a fine line between a complete dumbass and someone that you, as a player, want to NTR due to our competitive male nature. Here's a good looking guy, innocent, competing against a fat ugly old guy. By having the fat guy win, the dev is letting the player know that due to the good looking guy's ignorance, he is losing the male competition to the fat ugly old guy. For some reason, this ignites inner male competition and is a turn on factor. Maybe because this seems like if a fat old ugly guy can win, maybe we, the player, would have a chance with that kind of girl in real life. I'm not sure, this is a bit difficult to explain. The profile of these guys is preference to user, but the main element of point here is that the dev created these characters in mind of the "ignorance being preyed" upon factor.
-After math/Lingering Factor: In the NTR genre we don't have this enough. First, the sprites were top notch. I know it's due to the extra budgeting and difficulty in finding an appropriate sprite animator, but when it's done right like this it's hot. Second, the dev doesn't just slap together a CG and sprite scene, he introduces the scene USING sprite animations as both a beginning and finisher. The initial excitement begins with the off-corner sprite animation, then CG, and finally lets the player thoroughly ride the high of the H-scene by leaving the player with another sprite animation. This is an excellent format that many devs do not use (does not have to be sprite but needs the lingering factor). If you want to create the impacting NTR scene into the player, you must have an after-math/lingering notion that the player can ride as a high. Integrate into the player's head that this guy/girl is getting cucked hard as fuck and do not let them think the game is vanilla. One good element to include is pregnancy. This is the ultimate lingering/after math factor and more devs need to include this. It's the ultimate form of NTR due to male nature but they need to also include how their life is in the next 5-10 years (this game doesn't include this but I thought I'd mention it).
-Multiple endings: A very big problem NTR devs cannot decide is to whether or not let the MC find out he's being cucked and take revenge. This is a huge debate, but I believe it falls into personal taste. I personally prefer the MC never finds, but the dev in this game gave us the option to allow the MC to achieve a happy ending sort of. Usually it's just 1 route of "oh my god my girl is getting fucked the end".
-Other common factors: Sprites, cg variation in outfits/expressions, a proper CG-gallery (not just the images but introducing the scene)
I could write way more but these are just a couple reasons why I believe this is the #1 GOTY NTR game of the year. However, this does not mean the game had its flaws. And yes, this game also had a LOT of flaws but most can be dismissed due to sheer lack of manpower and resources. I sincerely thank the translator who did this, and I feel he shared the same passion for this game as many of us do. I hope that many people learn throughout the years that H-games can only grow through technology and sharing of passion. Do not kink shame. In all the industries I've swapped around, porn/hentai is by far the true brotherhood creed that guys will help each other out. It's ironic and hilarious, but also endearing and inspiring.
Edit: I lied, here's an essay
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Curse of Kubel was great, but I felt it wasn't that focused on NTR that much. It mainly focused on Corruption which is perfectly fine but I would consider it a different genre since the hero is not involved that much. In that regard, I would agree it's definitely top tier.
Looking forward to the new ending coming out. I hope we see more hijinks over the three days lost at the mansion with the girls.
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It was definitely more of a corruption game sure, but the NTR aspect is definitely there. I'm not like some of the people on this forum who scream NTR the second a woman has sex with someone other than the main male, but the two were clearly in a relationship (and would have been fucking by that point in their lives anywhere but manga/anime/hentai land) so it counts for me.
Such a good NTR game, this one I REALLY hope gets a sequel or at least a big expansion. I would love more content of these girls.
Thanks! You actually went and wrote another article, kudos to you for your elaborated answers.
Btw do you by chance know japanese? Cause I didn't notice you mention translation availability/quality in your posts.
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