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Since the Steam public alpha version the only specie/variant/character added was the merchant Celeste
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Yes, this is exactly what I mean by players not liking the changes. Content is first released as freely available, then gets locked behind unlocks. This makes perfect sense for testing purposes, but players feel that their stuff gets taken away.
- Dec 27, 2018
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this is extremely true, I know of an old patreon that used to belong to a group called cowchop that got converted to a new and defunct group by one guy called muscle party, which has been inactive for years now and still rakes in over 200bucks a month because of the old subscribers of the cowchop, for a total of 6-7 years
- Jul 26, 2020
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How in the world does that makes perfect sense? If you add new quests to do, that is supposed to bring you something NEW as a reward in order for you to get invested in doing the new stuff for. That's basically the reason on why you would want to do the new quest at all on the first place. The vast majority of developers and studios when they update their games with new content, that is usually how they do it and is for a reason. You have new content available but that requires you to do something new to access, well, the NEW content.
In the case of BotN, let's see the changes and why the way they were added felt like a fukedupery:
- Added Pawsmatti with the sex positions learning system. Dev only added ONE new sex position and locked being a fukton of grind having to learn how to do doggy, missionary, cowgirl.... Yet somehow the player is perfectly capable of doing those on wild sex, but on the breeding yard? Yeah, that you have to learn. System would be amazing if we kept all the OG positions and had to learn the Lap Dance one, it would feel lacking to only have ONE single new sex position but I bet NOBODY would complain on the system being in place. Hell, if the dev actually cared he could have left the OG positions the way they were and unlock the new pairings he added later, which felt like NEW content cause certain pairings couldn't do Missionary at first but then all pairings were able. If dev actually cared he would have taken advantage of that but he didn't and just slapped the grind on.
- Added the Reaper system so you couldn't jump from the Hivelands to the Moaning Crag, basically preventing you to explore areas you are not supposed to reach before the intended time. Again, that system would be amazing if the inaccesible areas were NEW ones, like for example having a lava lake in there that has island that is inaccesible until you do the quests and unlike before you can't swim on lava precisely cause that would grant you access. Did dev do that? No, he locked behind hours or days IRL of grind to get to the demons area which before you could access from minute 1. Now unlocking demons don't feel like something nice as it did before, it feels like a headaching incovenience that nobody asked for and the only new area he added was the seraphim heavens which he announced a while ago he had plans to do so and nobody complained, until he started with the cockblock gates which meant locking them so having seraphins being moved felt like an extra grind. Sure, he made the bunnies to be something you could unlock and interact with on minute 1 but placed them in such an unthinkable place for the player to explore that many miss them entirely cause simply nobody would naturally go down a river expecting to find a new species appearing in there.
And I could go on but don't feel like turning this into a bigger textwall, if you wanna have something being tested or changed in the base progression at least you don't become a dick and let save files to carry over versions. So if you have a file with dragons you make the file to work on newer versions not forcing players to start over because your dickheadedness can't work with the idea of players not wanting to test mandatorily the new shit you're forcing them to do if they start a new playthrough, but no. Of all games I have played, both indie and studio made, BotN is the only one in which previous saves refuse to load on newer versions, also happens to be the only one in which newer saves load perfectly fine on older game versions without things getting corrupted the fuck up lol.
- Jul 26, 2020
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Which has been precisely my main point of criticism with BotN since I started playing it and noticed the fetish this dev has for making his playerbase to suffer by making them grind for ages to get nothing new. He adds a couple of nice things to then lock one of them and another 10 already existing ones from before behind some extra grind that nobody asked for, nobody needs, nobody wants and makes the game actually a boring thing to put yourself to "play". Frankly if he has so much time to add the stupid progression BS he has time to add meaningful NEW content to justify having to do the grind for. Like that bloody Pride quest which is hard AF to pull but hey, that in a way feels like something NEW. Pride is there and she won't have sex with you until you give her a demon that is hard as balls to get but at least is a grind you get to smash some NEW booty you know. I find that quest way too grindy to be worthy, specially for how despicable Pride is personality wise, but that's just me having frictions with that personality, not something I find genuinely bad XD
But bruh, locking my beloved dragongirls behind having the please that stupid centaur girl by giving her a special warg? FUKOFF! I would be delighted to do that quest if she was guarding that lower area because somehow there a new variant of dragons started to spawn and she guarded those dragon variants cause they were special somehow. IDK, it would feel like it was worth doing that quest for while still having the previously available dragons still being there.
Honestly, I don't understand the neverending rants about the "hours of added grind" and "locked content".
I, personally, completed that quest chain twice, it was enough to fully enjoy it, and never try it again.
Just enter the cheats ("imma lazy sack", "all barns", "all sex positions" etc), and you are fine, and ready to do whatever you please. So, what's the problem?
- Jul 26, 2020
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The fact that THAT cheat basically makes content that was worth doing the initial "grind" to be skipped for starters? Before I didn't had to skip the base progression to access some stuff so it was worth seeing Fern grow into a full Alraune, specially having her grow from phase 1 to phase 2, then phase 3 in which she's a full grown one, the "imma lazy sack" cheat (which btw, such a nice name huh) basically skips the whole phase 2 of Fern. Not to mention that makes the interactions with any character added in that meanwhile pointless. Like before you had to sex Neela each time you wanted to activate a portal. By adding that cheat you basically have no reason to sex her anymore. Sure that's a way to play that basically half the players have to do now so they can at least enjoy the game, but it makes it feel extremely hollow in comparison as before. And even then there's still a big ass problem those cheats do not happen to be able to fix and it's the saves compatibility ones.Honestly, I don't understand the neverending rants about the "hours of added grind" and "locked content".
I, personally, completed that quest chain twice, it was enough to fully enjoy it, and never try it again.
Just enter the cheats ("imma lazy sack", "all barns", "all sex positions" etc), and you are fine, and ready to do whatever you please. So, what's the problem?
Let me illustrate on why. When you're trying to get a specific hybrid, it takes a bunch of tries to get the right one, one that is unique, then you wanna have those ones carried into a new update but guess what? You don't have a compatible save so you need to start things all over again until they reach the point you were, and even then, if you happen to capture the exact same variants that gave you the hybrids you liked, you still have to deal with that process which at best and cheating like crazy still takes a couple of hours to do so for every single save. Is a way to do things? Sure. But still one that yes or yes takes time and GRIIIIIND. What some people that still praise BotN don't fukin get is that even with cheats you can't solve the grind issue for the main reason that the dev wants to force you to grind one way or another and just added the cheats so people won't ditch the game entirely out of boredom to get to the nice parts that many are willing to pay for.
This whole situation only got alleviated a bit with the introduction of the gallery, and still the same base problem persists. The game by design was grindy, sure, breeding by logical reasoning is in a way a grind, but precisely because of that the grind should be something that at least it would be worth spending time on. Instead you end up having to hoard game versions just so you can keep playing your old saves or.... Start all over again and even with cheats having to GRIND your save file to get to the point you were before. Do you get why people complain about the grind now?
It is not because of the nature of the game is grindy by design, but is because the dev forces you to deal with a needlessly augmented version of it that gets worse each update, in a game that has many questionable odd restrictions like no male on male content, no anal, no balls for futas, etc etc