BreederFan

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This game has been a public work in progress since 2017. Test builds aren't really a viable excuse when Derelict has already been selling the product for four years.
Selling for 4 years? Nobody is selling anything but I don't explain to you how the backing works. I know that, you know this as well but for a reason, you said that.

And patches for big system changes would need a long period to test and balance anyway.. I assume you know that too..

So why are you here? To blame DH for reasons?
 

TheInternetIsForThis

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Selling for 4 years? Nobody is selling anything but I don't explain to you how the backing works. I know that, you know this as well but for a reason, you said that.

And patches for big system changes would need a long period to test and balance anyway.. I assume you know that too..

So why are you here? To blame DH for reasons?
Nah, my dude. You use this game being in "alpha" as an excuse for terrible mechanics implementations and lack of content. This game has been in "alpha" for four years, publicly accessible for a price. (And more recently, free on Steam) Yes, ostensibly that price goes to fund development. That's irrelevant to the fact that four years down the line "test builds" are not gonna hold water as an excuse for poor gameplay implementations.

Also, despite the branding, this game isn't in alpha. It's been in a pre-alpha, "first playable" state. For four years. For a quick explanation:
  • Beta: A beta game is complete, and being tested for bugs. All planned content and mechanics should exist. This is the game, as it is intended to be.
  • Alpha: An alpha game has all of the planned features/mechanics and is acquiring all of the planned content. It's a work in progress that is assumed to have bugs but otherwise mostly representative of what the game is intended to be.
  • First Playable: Otherwise known as pre-alpha, this is when the game's basic mechanics are still being designed and implemented. First playable is usually a fairly ugly sandbox test meant to demonstrate how things work and ensure the game is actually enjoyable and thus worth selling.
Despite being branded as an alpha, this game has, for four years, been a gussied up first playable demo that is, at the moment, receiving over $14k per month (that's before fees and taxes and assuming literally every patron is on minimum tier) for Derelict to refuse to hire additional developers, add occasional new color palettes for the wild nephelym, and as of late, implement mechanics and gameplay slowdown that make the already lackluster experience a slow, frustrating quagmire that requires cheats for anyone but the most deliriously masochistic players to enjoy.

Test build was a valid excuse four years ago. It has not been a valid excuse for a long, long time.
 
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To the 2guys up this comment, TheInternetIsForThis and BreederFan .

Both of you, don't get me wrong, but even for me, i think this is escalating faster than it should.

I'm nobody.

By what i understand, one think it lacks content and have a very "hard" path till get something, and still is charging for that.

The other is defendig the creator i dunno why, but probly because have tested all versions and see the evolution, and probly like me too, never payed to play.
(Don't get me wrong, the game deservs to be payed... but if someone release a free version legally, i don't see the point of pay for it, even if the creator deserv)

Last 12h i have been having fun craking the save of this game, since levels till traits and sizes.
(Hope creator team don't get mad about that, but was the best time i had is months).

And i must say, that its a good game, whit a huge variety of stuff to do.

I didn't played all versions like most of you, i played like 3 or 4 versions of the game since the beginning till now, and i can say that there is alot of evolution and awsome work by the involved team.
 
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I don't understand how to enable incest breeding this extensions is alien to me
also is there a way to add traits to breeder?
 

Clown.34

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You just need to download the " ", extract on the game case and run the "enableincest.bat" file(double click should work).


Add traits, like add add i would not say, but you can maximize the ones you have.

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what i ment whas adding traits to the main character somehow?
also thank you for the file it worked :)
 

Sharks are Evil

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what are the plans for the game in terms of new animations? if this game had Wild Life animations style and count it would be like 9000 times better. younger characters also won't hurt but I can see the dev is using Patreon (it would make sense to have sex with the young, but the young look as old as the older versions so it's kinda loses it's meaning) in terms of people supporting him he's doing a great job. many devs milk their games forever, this one isn't there yet, if it's only one guy I get it, it's not easy.
 
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FuzzyFerret

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To the 2guys up this comment, TheInternetIsForThis and BreederFan .

Both of you, don't get me wrong, but even for me, i think this is escalating faster than it should.

I'm nobody.

By what i understand, one think it lacks content and have a very "hard" path till get something, and still is charging for that.

The other is defendig the creator i dunno why, but probly because have tested all versions and see the evolution, and probly like me too, never payed to play.
(Don't get me wrong, the game deservs to be payed... but if someone release a free version legally, i don't see the point of pay for it, even if the creator deserv)

Last 12h i have been having fun craking the save of this game, since levels till traits and sizes.
(Hope creator team don't get mad about that, but was the best time i had is months).

And i must say, that its a good game, whit a huge variety of stuff to do.

I didn't played all versions like most of you, i played like 3 or 4 versions of the game since the beginning till now, and i can say that there is alot of evolution and awsome work by the involved team.
generally a creator live from his creation, a creation live by funding it, if nobody give money then no game will be out because the dev don't work for nothings and can't live without money.
Most of the "adult" game are made by single indie dev.
what we've got on this website is not a legal copy of the BoN, it's a pirated copy of the game. it's just tolerated by the dev actually.
so me, Yes, i see the point of backing an indie game dev if i like his work.
(just to make it clear for you)

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what most of people don't know or just denied it : that's take years to make a game from A to Z especially ambitious project.
simply recruiting more dev because the indie got a "lot" of money doesn't solve that issue easily.

to finish: you can argue or complain as many time as you want, you can't have the right to force the dev to do it, he work his own way, it's him who have the final word. Even backer, they can argue, or stop giving money to protest, the dev have no obligation to accept what they ask, because it's an indie =)
 

TheInternetIsForThis

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what are the plans for the game in terms of new animations? if this game had Wild Life animations style and count it would be like 9000 times better. younger characters also won't hurt but I can see the dev is using Patreon (it would make sense to have sex with the young, but the young look as old as the older versions so it's kinda loses it's meaning) in terms of people supporting him he's doing a great job. many devs milk their games forever, this one isn't there yet, if it's only one guy I get it, it's not easy.
New animations for this game aren't incredibly likely, especially not at the volume used in wild life. Due to how this game handles sex positions, every single position is, when fully implemented, comprised of 36 different animations to cover for every possible nephelym size combination. I did a related breakdown of the work involved a while back when someone asked about adding things like snakes and spiders.
 
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Greendasteel

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how i can up trait lvl? after new update im confused...
change log say more release to wild more world lvl u get? but i release about 20 foxes and wild one still same > D-C rank in stat and 0-2 perks...
 

RubyZeronyka

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New animations for this game aren't incredibly likely, especially not at the volume used in wild life. Due to how this game handles sex positions, every single position is, when fully implemented, comprised of 36 different animations to cover for every possible nephelym size combination. I did a related breakdown of the work involved a while back when someone asked about adding things like snakes and spiders.
Add to all of that the fact that he told me he has 20 years of experience in developing software/games, his well known prejudice against some things like anal sex which he has mentioned in a very harsh way more than once in a server where's probably a LOT of people who not only are into it but it also may be their main source of "fun" in some ways, the fact that if you try to help as something as a translator you're treated pretty much the same as a nobody who just downloaded the game from Steam (There is the "Special Thanks" section on each update notes, but that's it), and what else can I say?

The whole progression system and it's relative mind setup has been annoying me since day 1 cause is like the EA kind of move. Update 0.1 you have the right from start to walk, Update 0.4, you have to "Unlock" the ability to walk by grinding a freakton of hours that yeah, can be skipped by fluids and maybe cheats but you ideally want to do all that by doing sex and breeding and basically seen SEX, not just bartering fluids like if this is Ponry Minecraft or something. And even then it takes on every update longer.

That wouldnt be an issue if the actual new content had to be unlocked through progression, like race subvariants, or new SS options, or new breeding positions like the Lap Dance that I was freaking hoping it would be the way Pawsmatti would work but no. You need to unlock what u had previously available from minute 1 on the previous update. And Im gonna say it again. The dumb as fuck fact that every x amount of updates, old saves dont work on new versions, but just explain me how, they do the other way around. Is like Skyrim LE saves not working on Special Edition yet Special Edition saves do work on LE. What the hell?

And pretty much what you guys have been explaining again and again, and what I insist in remarking. On every update this game become less and less enjoyable to play by adding more grindy mecanics. And is like bruh! This game by its own nature makes you want to try different gameplays, that, with its already existing content is good enough to give it an endless replayability value. But on every update that gets more tiring and honestly? Since the stupid cockblock gates progression crap was added I lost any desire on making my beloved Jabberwock Hybrid Futas because is essentially a fucking endless task to reach the demons area without using cheats. And I bet Im not the only one feeling like that.

Yeah there is cheats that makes the game a sandbox but what is the point of having Widow to gave me a task to find an elf for her if I cant barely reach the previous part where u find Neela's sister? Cause that damn Hornball Bee quest is making me dispise the whole honeycomby queendom lmao
 
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