Unity Breeding Farm [v0.7.1] [Team Bieno]

[SDN111]

I think in the long term not keeping their vision did more harm than good, some really weird decisions started to be implemented: they wasted resources remaking the quest instead of making the scene optional and because Rika would not be a breeder anymore, we got a random non-playable female mc.

And at the end the people who wanted 'everyone fucks everyone' lost their agency, Rika is limited to be the faithful mc's lover and she cannot be used anywhere else, I guess that's gonna happen with the rest of the mc's harem.

The general issue I see with the story is that they created a world where it is suppose to be everyone fuck everything and then shoved in romance for longterm relationships directly. The Ceecee player relationship was decently written. The coworker doing a job start actually worked well and then they became active fuck buddies off of the clock before developing into a relationship.

Katelyn could have worked as a monogamous relationship based off of what we know about her. This is specifically because from what we have seen she is very cautious about her own sexuality and that could have been turned into a revelation that she is only looking to have a single partner.

Rika would have needed to go through a similar story arc as Ceecee. She instead would have to have her arc be getting back up to being an active part of the community again. That should have gone into her wanting to go back into the pit again and then having issues with wanting the intimacy again of either her husband or Wolfman. That could have led the casual relationship to a more personal one and had her still be active in the pit.

This was a case of the storyline attempting to be told not match the mechanics/genre of the game. The Ceecee baby plot also completely derailed the game mechanics from meshing with the story.

 

[sometowell]

The general issue I see with the story is that they created a world where it is suppose to be everyone fuck everything and then shoved in romance for longterm relationships directly. The Ceecee player relationship was decently written. The coworker doing a job start actually worked well and then they became active fuck buddies off of the clock before developing into a relationship.

Katelyn could have worked as a monogamous relationship based off of what we know about her. This is specifically because from what we have seen she is very cautious about her own sexuality and that could have been turned into a revelation that she is only looking to have a single partner.

Rika would have needed to go through a similar story arc as Ceecee. She instead would have to have her arc be getting back up to being an active part of the community again. That should have gone into her wanting to go back into the pit again and then having issues with wanting the intimacy again of either her husband or Wolfman. That could have led the casual relationship to a more personal one and had her still be active in the pit.

This was a case of the storyline attempting to be told not match the mechanics/genre of the game. The Ceecee baby plot also completely derailed the game mechanics from meshing with the story.

Your idea about Rika's arc is pretty interesting, I would add something, she doesn't really need to be in the pit, they could have used the pit quests, she wants a Wolfman? give the choice to train one or do it yourself. Even in the remake of the quest it doesn't looks like she could be satisfied by a human anymore.

 

[aspar4gus]

I think in the long term not keeping their vision did more harm than good, some really weird decisions started to be implemented: they wasted resources remaking the quest instead of making the scene optional and because Rika would not be a breeder anymore, we got a random non-playable female mc.

And at the end the people who wanted 'everyone fucks everyone' lost their agency, Rika is limited to be the faithful mc's lover and she cannot be used anywhere else, I guess that's gonna happen with the rest of the mc's harem.

That's why my point wasn't that i don't want rika to be or not to be optional as a breeder, i just pointed out that the initial writing for that scene was just objectively horrible and so out of place in a BS-inspired world and that it wasn't made originally optional to opt out from that terrible writing

write misleading romance that leads into sick ntr in an everyone fucks everyone style of game is the equivalent of hearing "so, i'm non-binary" in a grimdark medieval fantasy rpg

 

[DFKurtis]

I don't think they actually created a world where everything fucks everything. The whole point of the church is that they're cracking down on promiscuity. Also the characters are shown to develop and value normal human relationships of love and marriage (Rika used to have a husband) so I dont think the romance was necessarily out of place.

I think the issue with the scene was an inconsistency of tone. They open the story and immediately say, "Hey, MC you are in charge now, you live in this house with these women who very specifically do not work in the breeding pits and we give you total control on the breeding regimen of the beastmen."
It's not a problem for Ceecee to mate with beastmen in the pit because if and when she does, she's doing it as a professional and by the players order. I think people would be much more upset if they then implemented an event where, regardless of if you have her mating with beastmen or not, you walk into town and shes getting railed by stray catmen.

That being said I still dont think they'd be as upset as they were with the Rika Scene. The problem comes from them stating early on that Rika does not enter the pit anymore and then outside your control bangs a wolfman anyway. Its clearly meant to be NTR, if we were playing by 'everything fucks everything' rules they wouldn't have specified she no longer works in the pit. By specifying she doens't work in the pit anymore they were indicating beastmen were off the table for her and vice versa. They then let the character develop a relationship with her so of course vanilla players were mad. Ripping away player agency in a game which at the start specifically says 'You are in control of what happens here' is bound to upset people.

I think it also undermines the overarching narrative to have a wolfman NTR one of the Love interests. The MC is set up as opposition to the church. It does not seem logical to have MC working for a change in political policy which already resulted in a love interest being taken against his will.

Personally, if they felt they needed to add the NTR scene, I think Sometowell's solution is best. Make it a pit quest with two solutions, it removes the randomness, returns player agency, and maintains the story's integrity.

 

[aspar4gus]

I think the issue with the scene was an inconsistency of tone. They open the story and immediately say, "Hey, MC you are in charge now, you live in this house with these women who very specifically do not work in the breeding pits and we give you total control on the breeding regimen of the beastmen."

Personally, if they felt they needed to add the NTR scene, I think Sometowell's solution is best. Make it a pit quest with two solutions, it removes the randomness, returns player agency, and maintains the story's integrity.

Exactly, thanks for putting these in better wording than i could came up with

 

[SDN111]

I don't think they actually created a world where everything fucks everything. The whole point of the church is that they're cracking down on promiscuity. Also the characters are shown to develop and value normal human relationships of love and marriage (Rika used to have a husband) so I dont think the romance was necessarily out of place.

I think the issue with the scene was an inconsistency of tone. They open the story and immediately say, "Hey, MC you are in charge now, you live in this house with these women who very specifically do not work in the breeding pits and we give you total control on the breeding regimen of the beastmen."
It's not a problem for Ceecee to mate with beastmen in the pit because if and when she does, she's doing it as a professional and by the players order. I think people would be much more upset if they then implemented an event where, regardless of if you have her mating with beastmen or not, you walk into town and shes getting railed by stray catmen.

That being said I still dont think they'd be as upset as they were with the Rika Scene. The problem comes from them stating early on that Rika does not enter the pit anymore and then outside your control bangs a wolfman anyway. Its clearly meant to be NTR, if we were playing by 'everything fucks everything' rules they wouldn't have specified she no longer works in the pit. By specifying she doens't work in the pit anymore they were indicating beastmen were off the table for her and vice versa. They then let the character develop a relationship with her so of course vanilla players were mad. Ripping away player agency in a game which at the start specifically says 'You are in control of what happens here' is bound to upset people.

I think it also undermines the overarching narrative to have a wolfman NTR one of the Love interests. The MC is set up as opposition to the church. It does not seem logical to have MC working for a change in political policy which already resulted in a love interest being taken against his will.

Personally, if they felt they needed to add the NTR scene, I think Sometowell's solution is best. Make it a pit quest with two solutions, it removes the randomness, returns player agency, and maintains the story's integrity.

Yes, the church was trying but they were also failing miserably. From what we see of the story all the church has managed to do for the area is tab down on public acts and fine ranches. Neither is currently a problem in the games story at the moment. The debt should have been but it is not held as such in the story.

As for Ceecee I can see your point. But I would add that early in her story it would be a lot more accepted for a random event of her getting gang banged than later on when she implies going steady with the MC. I honestly feel that progression and establishing what the relationship is was the main problem for Rika. The ranch is suppose to be a place where everyone fuck everything, that is literally the base concept of the area along with having kids.

The MC is an issue mechanically for the game. Storyline wise there needed to be a reason why MC is needed which easy answers are Ceecee and Rika are infertile and Katelyn has some form of trauma. Have father/husband die decently recently and they are looking for someone to breed there remaining stock after some event got rid of their studs. This is not what I would personally use as I would have had Father/Husband there for a tutorial with a functioning farm and then have MC, Katelyn and Ceecee out when something destroys the farm. But regardless mechanically MC is a detriment in the pit. Anyone could get a breeders license the same way we did. Once there are monster studs again they can grow the next generation better without the MC in the pit. Realistically speaking the MC should have value actually being in the pit. Looking at systems currently in place I would say have them have a trait (which degrades in generations) that is needed for all breeders to make safe/valuable monsters and use the ability to become different monsters (Wolfman transformation as the base idea) to raise stat levels.

There are significantly more mechanical issues such as the lack of difficulty progression. The fact that you don't even need to breed monsters (you can just work nights at the bar) to keep the farm afloat. Fixing the farm has not been implemented which is aluded to early on with the guest house. Ceecee and her kid just broke the entire lore of monsters being born as basically adults. Elf village has no value, witch only has 2 events worth of value. Church is not properly being used as an antagonist. The church is basically acting as the bank with the farm being seen as a bad loan. And they are acting nicer than debt collectors.

 

[BobbyB1981]

Yes, the church was trying but they were also failing miserably. From what we see of the story all the church has managed to do for the area is tab down on public acts and fine ranches. Neither is currently a problem in the games story at the moment. The debt should have been but it is not held as such in the story.

As for Ceecee I can see your point. But I would add that early in her story it would be a lot more accepted for a random event of her getting gang banged than later on when she implies going steady with the MC. I honestly feel that progression and establishing what the relationship is was the main problem for Rika. The ranch is suppose to be a place where everyone fuck everything, that is literally the base concept of the area along with having kids.

The MC is an issue mechanically for the game. Storyline wise there needed to be a reason why MC is needed which easy answers are Ceecee and Rika are infertile and Katelyn has some form of trauma. Have father/husband die decently recently and they are looking for someone to breed there remaining stock after some event got rid of their studs. This is not what I would personally use as I would have had Father/Husband there for a tutorial with a functioning farm and then have MC, Katelyn and Ceecee out when something destroys the farm. But regardless mechanically MC is a detriment in the pit. Anyone could get a breeders license the same way we did. Once there are monster studs again they can grow the next generation better without the MC in the pit. Realistically speaking the MC should have value actually being in the pit. Looking at systems currently in place I would say have them have a trait (which degrades in generations) that is needed for all breeders to make safe/valuable monsters and use the ability to become different monsters (Wolfman transformation as the base idea) to raise stat levels.

There are significantly more mechanical issues such as the lack of difficulty progression. The fact that you don't even need to breed monsters (you can just work nights at the bar) to keep the farm afloat. Fixing the farm has not been implemented which is aluded to early on with the guest house. Ceecee and her kid just broke the entire lore of monsters being born as basically adults. Elf village has no value, witch only has 2 events worth of value. Church is not properly being used as an antagonist. The church is basically acting as the bank with the farm being seen as a bad loan. And they are acting nicer than debt collectors.

The problem is a MC or a male MC?, I've been wondering this for a while, maybe having a female mc would have been better.

 

[SDN111]

The problem is a MC or a male MC?, I've been wondering this for a while, maybe having a female mc would have been better.

The problem is the story is not written to have the MC make sense and the gameplay loop (breeding monsters) does not benefit from the MC. A female MC with the current story makes even less sense than the male one. You don't even have the excuse of a man knocking up multiple women to get numbers up faster.

For a female breeder to make sense Rika would need to be dead/infertile, Katelyn would need some reason to not be doing the job and Ceecee would need to remain infertile or last monster/new monster would need to be male.

This isn't to say you could not make a decent story where MC is female. There are multiple games (none of which that I know of are much better mechanically than this game) that have a forced female MC for a breeding game. Normally it is a case of the MC starting a farm themselves, or some event forcing them to need to do so or making them the only viable candidate.

There is a simple question to ask which will tell you if the character makes sense in the story or not. Why this character? This one question can be chained from the end of the story directly to the beginning. And if you can not find a good answer to the question when talking about a series of events then they don't fit into that story.

I gave some easy fixes earlier for why Katelyn, Rika and Ceecee could not be the breeder (in pit) for the farm (potential trauma, infertile, infertile) and those could even be easily incorporated into the game's current story. The problem lies in why another person did not come in earlier or why not start off with two fertile monsters and go from there. The license is a joke we literally have the path for anyone to get it (fake so good it is effectively legal one). All of the previous 3 (assuming Rika lost hers somehow) could have done the same and had two random monsters breed to start a chain of offspring that would sell. They could have done this after the father/husband died years ago to avoid this issue entirely.

The easiest answer would be that the license actually does matter and they have had a string of bad breeders or incidents with breeders leaving/dying (which we need something to make breeders relevant more than a card) which led up to giving us a chance while waiting for the next one to come. We then start as a temp and prove ourselves.

Ideally breeders should be more special to have a reason for their existence. It could be a trait making monsters willing to follow their orders, some magic which can speed up pregnancy, possibly them having a trait which when breeding monsters makes the children tame/intelligent/valuable. It would not work for this game but having a breeder have special training to raise monsters for different jobs would be a good option and potentially allow for a game where their are multiple breeders at your farm. Even just retroactively having the ability to get monsters pregnant (making lore being that normally humans can not breed with monsters) or if we want to go down the shape shifting idea in the game where that can feed into the previous concept and/or be part of a breeder being strong enough to keep feral monsters under control.

It is not a difficult issue to fix but it should have been something brought up realitively early in the game. Right time right place can work but there needs to be a reason for why the opening is there for the MC to take.

 

[DFKurtis]

Yes, the church was trying but they were also failing miserably. From what we see of the story all the church has managed to do for the area is tab down on public acts and fine ranches. Neither is currently a problem in the games story at the moment. The debt should have been but it is not held as such in the story.

Except that the church is a problem, thats the whole premise of the story, thats why you are given control of the farm...
The church has effectively shut down breeding as a profession in that area, they've closed almost every other farm and Rika's farm is on the brink of closing as well. Only through the player's actions is the town being revitalized. Before the player's arrival the church has in fact been very successful in their aims.

Stating the "Ranch is a place where it is supposed to be everyone fucks everyone" is an unsubstantiated argument. I understand how people may view it that way, but thats not how the devs portrayed it. The devs clearly drew lines in the sand for certain characters so trying to say its supposed to be one way when they took the effort to make it another way is something I can't agree with.

Regarding the rest of the statements- those seem to be different discussions all together. My comment's sole purpose was to discuss how the implementation of the NTR was inappropriate given the nature of the game prior to its introduction. I am a huge fan of the game as it currently stands and don't believe it needs any major adjustments or changes beyond continuing the story.

Hell, I'd back this game if it ever got any updates.

 

[SDN111]

Except that the church is a problem, thats the whole premise of the story, thats why you are given control of the farm...
The church has effectively shut down breeding as a profession in that area, they've closed almost every other farm and Rika's farm is on the brink of closing as well. Only through the player's actions is the town being revitalized. Before the player's arrival the church has in fact been very successful in their aims.

Stating the "Ranch is a place where it is supposed to be everyone fucks everyone" is an unsubstantiated argument. I understand how people may view it that way, but thats not how the devs portrayed it. The devs clearly drew lines in the sand for certain characters so trying to say its supposed to be one way when they took the effort to make it another way is something I can't agree with.

Regarding the rest of the statements- those seem to be different discussions all together. My comment's sole purpose was to discuss how the implementation of the NTR was inappropriate given the nature of the game prior to its introduction. I am a huge fan of the game as it currently stands and don't believe it needs any major adjustments or changes beyond continuing the story.

Hell, I'd back this game if it ever got any updates.

The church is stated to be a nuecense only given any authority by the queen after getting let down by a wolfman. The fines barely play into the gameplay loop and by multiple characters are just seen as an annoyance. Pressure does not increase, no plays are made by the church to do anything but collect intrest on a debt. The rep we deal with has two occasions where they really do anything but collect a debt from us. 1. Take donations for a light house 2. Collect evidence to try taking down an illegal ring. None of these are the actions of an antagonist.

You can argue the queen with her decrees which was pushing for the regulation which led to the debts is an antagonist. From there you could argue that the church is acting as her pieces for her scheme but even that is a weak argument. I don't recall there being any noted ranches closed by the church. I remember Katelyn mentioning other ranches being active with unique monsters when making the case for dragons to be brought to the ranch. There might have been comments of ranches closing in the beginning of game but I honestly don't recall that being because of the church, to my knowledge that was just bills and regulations from the crown making the market have issues.

Also MC is never given the ranch. It is still Rika's and Katelyn's. The MC is just working the position of breeder managing the monsters. This is supposively an important job for the farm/ranch that from what information we have is left empty for years. The only person we have knowledge of doing it prior to this is the deceased Father/Husband who is said to have died years ago. All that is said to have been needed was a license which from what we saw the queen's goverment gave out and made basically unattainable aside from forgeries which can be obtained by Talia whom Katelyn introduced to us.

The town is not in a slump. We are not revitalizing it. We in the story get Rika to get back out into town, help the farm/ranch breed monsters becoming profitable again (which the question of why the MC is needed to do this is valid) and help out the Elves by having them breed with monsters because we came across one at the right time.

Now the initial story of the elf girl worked coming upon MC worked because while it was an old problem she actively was looking for a solution and happened upon us. The general isolation of her people worked to sell why she did not know about the solution before hand and why she did not have other options to find the information. It doesn't work for the farm/ranch because we got all of the information on breeding monster and the contacts to solve the other problems from Katelyn. It is stated the farm/ranch is in a hole financially but they just needed to fill a position that they left empty for years. The Father/Husband was even noted to have died at sea during the lighthouse mission. So the question is why not try to fill the position before hand. Even if we assume yoy are correct about the church closing down other ranches why not have this ranch pick up one of the breeders from a closed competitor to fill the position. The question is why the MC is needed. Male monster could be bought and you can just have monster breed with one another... it is ironically better in every way to do so for better monsters.

As for the ranch. Ceecee's job is to literally teach monsters how to fuck. Rika multiple times before the wolfman scene stated that she and her husband were breeders in the pit. The bar owner and Talia both comment of fucking multiple monsters in their first meetings. The blacksmith mentioned enjoying female monsters a few times in dialog. Monsters are suppose to fuck who we put with them in the pit. There are only 4 more characters in the town one is a shop owner selling sexy clothes, another is the princess who is at an illegal monster event fucking monsters. The final two are Katelyn and church girl. Katelyn does not mention fucking anyone but calls the church girl a prude and has moments of embarrassment from other more promiscuous characters teasing her.

 

[sometowell]

Except that the church is a problem, thats the whole premise of the story, thats why you are given control of the farm...
The church has effectively shut down breeding as a profession in that area, they've closed almost every other farm and Rika's farm is on the brink of closing as well. Only through the player's actions is the town being revitalized. Before the player's arrival the church has in fact been very successful in their aims.

Stating the "Ranch is a place where it is supposed to be everyone fucks everyone" is an unsubstantiated argument. I understand how people may view it that way, but thats not how the devs portrayed it. The devs clearly drew lines in the sand for certain characters so trying to say its supposed to be one way when they took the effort to make it another way is something I can't agree with.

Regarding the rest of the statements- those seem to be different discussions all together. My comment's sole purpose was to discuss how the implementation of the NTR was inappropriate given the nature of the game prior to its introduction. I am a huge fan of the game as it currently stands and don't believe it needs any major adjustments or changes beyond continuing the story.

Hell, I'd back this game if it ever got any updates.

Wait a minute, Rika was a slut since the beginning, she was trying to seduce a stranger and she enjoyed her work as a breeder for the sex (not like Cece who is more professional about it). My problem is we lost agency over the character and most likely over the rest too.

 

[BobbyB1981]

Except that the church is a problem, thats the whole premise of the story, thats why you are given control of the farm...
The church has effectively shut down breeding as a profession in that area, they've closed almost every other farm and Rika's farm is on the brink of closing as well. Only through the player's actions is the town being revitalized. Before the player's arrival the church has in fact been very successful in their aims.

Stating the "Ranch is a place where it is supposed to be everyone fucks everyone" is an unsubstantiated argument. I understand how people may view it that way, but thats not how the devs portrayed it. The devs clearly drew lines in the sand for certain characters so trying to say its supposed to be one way when they took the effort to make it another way is something I can't agree with.

Regarding the rest of the statements- those seem to be different discussions all together. My comment's sole purpose was to discuss how the implementation of the NTR was inappropriate given the nature of the game prior to its introduction. I am a huge fan of the game as it currently stands and don't believe it needs any major adjustments or changes beyond continuing the story.

Hell, I'd back this game if it ever got any updates.

When did they draw a line?, since the beggining it's known the whole town have sex with monsters, I would say their mistake was making the story without using the pit, remove the pit and it wouldn't matter because pretty much all the quests don't need it.

 

[Balddog]

Man, I've been waiting for an update for over a year. Hopefully, the next update will have a good amount of content added.

 

[Bloodhunter]

Man, I've been waiting for an update for over a year. Hopefully, the next update will have a good amount of content added.

Well as I can see its gona be good update.

 

[BobbyB1981]

Well as I can see its gona be good update. View attachment 5166721

It would be a good one, now one with a good amount I would doubt it

 

[DFKurtis]

Okay, people are reading into my statements and are coming away with things I never said. Also I did not mean for this to turn into an argument so I'll just clarify some things and then leave it here. This will be my last post.

First of all, I was never discussing how the story interacted with the gameplay. You are correct that the debt plays a very small part in the actual gameplay cycle. Never the less, the fact that the ranch is in debt is what kickstarts the plot.

Second, with regard to the church, my point was they had successfully shut down several monster breeders in the local area, not globally. This is mentioned multiple times, take this direct quote for example:
"...the church and queen have been damn strict on enforcing regulations. They even closed a farm three months ago for having one Cowgirl living in a catgirl enclosure."
I'll admit you were more correct about not cutting down on promiscuity as that is common for certain characters. Though I stand by them being more than a nuisance STORY WISE because the farm is $2 Mil in debt, they've successfully run other breeders out of town and multiple characters comment on them being in charge of basically everything.
For evidence the following is a direct quote from the game:
"I'd give them more credit than just being fanatical... they exist hand in hand with the Monarchy here, so they pretty much run everything. They're more about running Monster Breeders out of business through strict taxes and regulations, instead of the usual pitchfork and torch routine."
On the topic of the church's antagonism, if we want to get into semantics I never said they were antagonists, but rather that they stood opposed to the equality of monsters and humans. That being said they are very antagonistic. The princess is aligned with the church but its the church motivating the oppression not the princess. The church girl even has a line that says something like "The princess would find it easy to fall into pagan ways." They routinely threaten to close the ranch, they routinely and arbitrarily increase the taxes on the Ranch, they believe in human supremacy, they advocate slavery, the church chick threatens to cut off your hands (admittedly only when you pinch her) and have the ranch burned down, she threatens to have you arrested for paganism and she (as a personal belief, not associated with the church but as a church representative) advocates for total human monster segregation despite some monsters being intelligent. They are not good people and stand directly opposed to the beliefs of old king who wanted human monster equality.

Third, I never said they "gave" MC the Ranch, I said they put him in charge, they literally call him the manager. They allow him control over the finances, the monsters, and the upgrading and construction of Ranch buildings, he is running the ranch. I think you may have misread my statement.

Fourth, I never said Rika was not a slut. I said that she was married to show the game attempting to implement romance was not out of character for this universe. I also said the she does not work in the breeding pits anymore, despite the fact that her farm is about to go under as a result of no longer having a breeder. I used that as support for my claim that the game was implying that she was meant as a Love Interest and that she was not going to be banging the beastmen at random, or at least not behind our backs. If she were going to continue that activity it would make more logical sense for her to continue working in the pit as it would benefit both her and her daughter.

Regarding the revitalization - its iffy. The villagers comment that its nice to have a new breeder in town. You're also providing higher quality and new breeds of monsters. You also do revitalize the elves though thats not what I was initially talking about. I'll admit this was not one of my stronger arguments.

Regarding my comment about the lines drawn in the sand - that may not be the best phrase. What I meant is that they clearly define most character's behaviors and preferences and by saying Rika is retired while simultaneously throwing herself at MC it came across, to me at least, as an indication that she was meant to be seen as a love interest for MC. Typically, in harem/non-NTR games players want to monopolize the character's affections and in Rika's case they've killed off her husband (classic) and told us she is retired from being a breeder, one could assume that the game dev was, in a sense, clearing the way to romance her. All I'm saying is that in a game where they specifically say 'you are in charge', the dev could have give us the agency to decide if she slept with us or a monster.

Sorry for the text wall.

 

[BobbyB1981]

Okay, people are reading into my statements and are coming away with things I never said. Also I did not mean for this to turn into an argument so I'll just clarify some things and then leave it here. Feel free to have the last word, I don't care. This will be my last post.

First of all, I was never discussing how the story interacted with the gameplay. You are correct that the debt plays a very small part in the actual gameplay cycle. Never the less, the fact that the ranch is in debt is what kickstarts the plot.

Second, with regard to the church, my point was they had successfully shut down several monster breeders in the local area, not globally. This is mentioned multiple times, take this direct quote for example:
"...the church and queen have been damn strict on enforcing regulations. They even closed a farm three months ago for having one Cowgirl living in a catgirl enclosure."
I'll admit you were more correct about not cutting down on promiscuity as that is common for certain characters. Though I stand by them being more than a nuisance STORY WISE because the farm is $2 Mil in debt, they've successfully run other breeders out of town and multiple characters comment on them being in charge of basically everything.
For evidence the following is a direct quote from the game:
"I'd give them more credit than just being fanatical... they exist hand in hand with the Monarchy here, so they pretty much run everything. They're more about running Monster Breeders out of business through strict taxes and regulations, instead of the usual pitchfork and torch routine."
On the topic of the church's antagonism, if we want to get into semantics I never said they were antagonists, but rather that they stood opposed to the equality of monsters and humans. That being said they are very antagonistic. The princess is aligned with the church but its the church motivating the oppression not the princess. The church girl even has a line that says something like "The princess would find it easy to fall into pagan ways." They routinely threaten to close the ranch, they routinely and arbitrarily increase the taxes on the Ranch, they believe in human supremacy, they advocate slavery, the church chick threatens to cut off your hands (admittedly only when you pinch her) and have the ranch burned down, she threatens to have you arrested for paganism and she (as a personal belief, not associated with the church but as a church representative) advocates for total human monster segregation despite some monsters being intelligent. They are not good people and stand directly opposed to the beliefs of old king who wanted human monster equality.

Third, I never said they "gave" MC the Ranch, I said they put him in charge, they literally call him the manager. They allow him control over the finances, the monsters, and the upgrading and construction of Ranch buildings, he is running the ranch. I think you may have misread my statement.

Fourth, I never said Rika was not a slut. I said that she was married to show the game attempting to implement romance was not out of character for this universe. I also said the she does not work in the breeding pits anymore, despite the fact that her farm is about to go under as a result of no longer having a breeder. I used that as support for my claim that the game was implying that she was meant as a Love Interest and that she was not going to be banging the beastmen at random, or at least not behind our backs. If she were going to continue that activity it would make more logical sense for her to continue working in the pit as it would benefit both her and her daughter.

Regarding the revitalization - its iffy. The villagers comment that its nice to have a new breeder in town. You're also providing higher quality and new breeds of monsters. You also do revitalize the elves though thats not what I was initially talking about. I'll admit this was not one of my stronger arguments.

Regarding my comment about the lines drawn in the sand - that may not be the best phrase. What I meant is that they clearly define most character's behaviors and preferences and by saying Rika is retired while simultaneously throwing herself at MC it came across, to me at least, as an indication that she was meant to be seen as a love interest for MC. Typically, in harem/non-NTR games players want to monopolize the character's affections and in Rika's case they've killed off her husband (classic) and told us she is retired from being a breeder, one could assume that the game dev was, in a sense, clearing the way to romance her. All I'm saying is that in a game where they specifically say 'you are in charge', the dev could have give us the agency to decide if she slept with us or a monster.

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[SMC85]

Hi, cool game.

I wish for my main character to start with more traits (or really to learn or upgrade traits on level up). I remember being able to add traits in Breeding Season, but I guess that was a different engine running things. After some quick research I learned that save files are in the

Is there a mod or something that puts the save files into the game folder rather than into the registry? Or some other way to alter the save files?

 

[SDN111]

Hi, cool game.

I wish for my main character to start with more traits (or really to learn or upgrade traits on level up). I remember being able to add traits in Breeding Season, but I guess that was a different engine running things. After some quick research I learned that save files are in the

Is there a mod or something that puts the save files into the game folder rather than into the registry? Or some other way to alter the save files?

Changing save location means changing code. That is not going to happen. The reason they put it there is so that when you move to new versions you do not lose your saves.

As for the upgrading of MC traits. That should have been a feature to keep MC relevant in the pit. Doing so by level up likely would not make sense. Potions triggered by story events or various monster transformations increasing the MC's stats/traits make sense with the elements given and story being told.

Personally I would have gone with monster transformations tying that into a trait breeders have to give the MC more reason for why they are doing this and not Rika or Katelyn. Have the forms unlocked be part of the story and difficulty curve. Could have been a case of once you get past certain reputation milestones you need the new monsters for orders and new trait with the monster class bred into your older monster classes. Minimum stats needed go up for your more profitable orders.

Depending on certain stats benefits (heighten fertility, less energy needed for monsters to mate, more EXP given to monsters per fuck) you might also increase the number of jobs offered. Also have the payment needed for the loan/debt increase at this time making you need to pull of more jobs to stay afloat. Another option would be semi-automating breeding or having multiple occur simotaniously for a similar cost.

 

[BenjaminMiller]

This. she sneak out to get fuck. then MC need to be a werewolf to fuck her. fuck that shit. human dick just not enough anymore. she need monster dick. it's feel like the lover wolf guy NTR MC even though he dead. again fuck that shit.

Still instead of remove. should made it's optional instead. if you let her become breeder than you will get to see this NTR train. if you choose to keep her to yourself. then no NTR. this way everyone happy. me personally don't mind remove NTR content. never want to play NTR anyway.

I know this posting is old but i agree partly with him, why put in the option as a choice for telling Rika not to do it with anyone, while she will sneak out to do it eitherway thats weird in it, but on the other side dont play the game if you dont like it, i understand both sides but it still useless to put it in, atleast give a 3rd party option lol.