Ren'Py Broken Sky [v0.5.2 Public] [Wistala]

[blablablagivemethemoney]

Lilly will probably have more cuckolding/sharing scenes and NTR scenes than other characters but she will, in general, just have more scenes since she is inherently designed as the *main* romance, though you can abandon her for other options. As far as total balance goes, it's hard to say? Most characters besides Lilly will not have much, if any, cuckolding/sharing content and there are a lot of characters, so the overall balance is probably shifted more towards the romance and corruption side of things.

Can we expect the sexy blue-furred boss lady (I think her name was Wistala) to get OLIVERED.COM somewhere down the line? Wistala is just as sexy as Lilly.

 

[desmosome]

So which family's route is more conductive to an Lily NTR playthrough? If NTR is mostly for mission fail, having the slavers as the enemy would help in that regard? But I can also see dealing more closely with slavers could have opportunities for NTR...

 

[Arkade]

Can we expect the sexy blue-furred boss lady (I think her name was Wistala) to get OLIVERED.COM somewhere down the line? Wistala is just as sexy as Lilly.

The way I see that character is that she's incredibly powerful both physically and influentially- I don't think she's the type to be outsmarted or anything. But she's also probably pretty open about sex- I just think Oliver would be the one who was afraid of her in a sexual encounter.. She can be dom- or sub- but SHE gets to choose which role to play. No one else. I could be off- but doubt she's going to be a character you can work through a relationship with and take on dates since she's likely a sort of mastermind for crucial plot elements. Too important to be moved around casually causing plotholes. . . at least she can tease you throughout the game and definitely get in olivers pants if she thinks that would be a fun game to play.

 

[The Pointman]

You would think being some former super soldier the MC would be tougher. lol

 

[The Pointman]

Why wouldn't you want a partner who can show you a thing or two in bed? Some people can be so uptight.

Well with a number that high you would be nothing to her lol probably why people don't like it.

 

[Wistala]

So which family's route is more conductive to an Lily NTR playthrough? If NTR is mostly for mission fail, having the slavers as the enemy would help in that regard? But I can also see dealing more closely with slavers could have opportunities for NTR...

I was planning on putting out a content roadmap at some point anyways so I won't consider this a spoiler when I say:

Avra and Fist family (fighting arena) is going to be more conducive to a dominant player and will feature more male dom scenes.

Tommy and the Altair family (slave traders) will be more conducive to a player interested in NTR.

Though both routes will have opportunities for players interested in cuckolding and sharing through the events that happen at their respective locations instead of with the family heads themselves.

 

[desmosome]

I've thought of that, but the stat checks will eventually serve to differentiate if the player is on a 'romance' path with the NPC's or a corruption path with them. So adding in a mode that doesn't use those values would be a *lot* more work

Okay, I finished the current update. I'm a bit worried about the corruption stat and how it will be implemented.

Corruption is a core part of the story. Corruption is being treated as almost a universal stat that can be changed into anything. MC's own corruption can be placed into girls. The girls' corruption can be taken into the MC. And MC's corruption can be fed to the medallion to transform into stats. This might have the effect of kind of blurring all the routes except perhaps the most vanilla romance one.

Fundamentally, if corruption is a free flowing stat that can be transfered in all directions, the game won't be able to track where a certain amount of corruption came from. So let's take an example of a playthrough where the player avoids deliberate corruption choices for the MC, but still makes plausible mission fail decisions that could lead to Lily's corruption increasing. A set up for NTR. But for the route selection logic, there is no difference between this way of playing and a corruption embracing MC that sends all his farmed corruption into Lily. You get my drift? What's more, if Lily's corruption increases due to mission fail or any other NTR trigger that is happening, the MC can find out about it since he has the power to sense corruption. And what justification would the MC have to not lower her corruption by taking it into himself and then sending it to the medallion for stat boosts?

It just seems tricky to create a nice flow and progression to a chosen route if that route can be arrived at in any number of ways based on how you allocate the corruption. What if you need a certain threshold of corruption for Lily to have her get stolen, but the only way to reach that threshold is to farm corrutpion with MC and transfer it over to her?

This is where I am coming back to the critique that NTR is one fetish that tends to work better when the player and the MC's interest do not align. For consensual fetishes like netorase, it makes perfect sense to give all the control to the MC, and by extension, the player. But for NTR, the player is wanting an outcome that is contrary to the well being of the MC and his loved ones, so the choices shouldn't be so deliberate. The monster NTR set up was fine, but when the MC sees what happened later, he is already in cuck mode, getting aroused from his girlfriend getting raped. That's the kind of flavor that should be reserved for the NTS route or at least wait for the affirmation choice where the MC thinks it was hot.

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Anyways, I know I talked so much about NTR but that's cus it's the route I played lol. I can tell the game will be really satisfying for MC corruption power fantasy way of playing. But if you want to do the true NTR justice later on, maybe consider some of the points I've touched upon. Even if you don't change anything, I suppose it wouldn't hurt to see what some NTR fans look for in an NTR plot.

 

[Wistala]

Okay, I finished the current update. I'm a bit worried about the corruption stat and how it will be implemented.

Corruption is a core part of the story. Corruption is being treated as almost a universal stat that can be changed into anything. MC's own corruption can be placed into girls. The girls' corruption can be taken into the MC. And MC's corruption can be fed to the medallion to transform into stats. This might have the effect of kind of blurring all the routes except perhaps the most vanilla romance one.

Fundamentally, if corruption is a free flowing stat that can be transfered in all directions, the game won't be able to track where a certain amount of corruption came from. So let's take an example of a playthrough where the player avoids deliberate corruption choices for the MC, but still makes plausible mission fail decisions that could lead to Lily's corruption increasing. A set up for NTR. But for the route selection logic, there is no difference between this way of playing and a corruption embracing MC that sends all his farmed corruption into Lily. You get my drift? What's more, if Lily's corruption increases due to mission fail or any other NTR trigger that is happening, the MC can find out about it since he has the power to sense corruption. And what justification would the MC have to not lower her corruption by taking it into himself and then sending it to the medallion for stat boosts?

It just seems tricky to create a nice flow and progression to a chosen route if that route can be arrived at in any number of ways based on how you allocate the corruption. What if you need a certain threshold of corruption for Lily to have her get stolen, but the only way to reach that threshold is to farm corrutpion with MC and transfer it over to her?

This is where I am coming back to the critique that NTR is one fetish that tends to work better when the player and the MC's interest do not align. For consensual fetishes like netorase, it makes perfect sense to give all the control to the MC, and by extension, the player. But for NTR, the player is wanting an outcome that is contrary to the well being of the MC and his loved ones, so the choices shouldn't be so deliberate. The monster NTR set up was fine, but when the MC sees what happened later, he is already in cuck mode, getting aroused from his girlfriend getting raped. That's the kind of flavor that should be reserved for the NTS route or at least wait for the affirmation choice where the MC thinks it was hot.

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Anyways, I know I talked so much about NTR but that's cus it's the route I played lol. I can tell the game will be really satisfying for MC corruption power fantasy way of playing. But if you want to do the true NTR justice later on, maybe consider some of the points I've touched upon. Even if you don't change anything, I suppose it wouldn't hurt to see what some NTR fans look for in an NTR plot.

I'm going to be implementing a path lock system that takes care of some of your concerns regarding the corruption. Affection is another core stat in the game and the way thing will go is that you will flirt with an NPC either wholesomely or by spamming corruption into them and then after a certain event you will be able to take them on a date which will change based on whether you have their affection high or their corruption high. After that date you will be locked into either their corruption or romance path. I don't want the game to get particularly grindy so it is not my plan to force the player to spam days through in the sandbox mode to get all the scenes. It is my intention that on any given playthrough you will only be able to see about 1/3 or less of the total scenes in the game.

As far as the NTR goes, I understand what you're talking about, but I don't want to spoil some of what I have planned, so I'm going to say you'll just have to trust me on that

 

[corellius]

Okay, I finished the current update. I'm a bit worried about the corruption stat and how it will be implemented.

Corruption is a core part of the story. Corruption is being treated as almost a universal stat that can be changed into anything. MC's own corruption can be placed into girls. The girls' corruption can be taken into the MC. And MC's corruption can be fed to the medallion to transform into stats. This might have the effect of kind of blurring all the routes except perhaps the most vanilla romance one.

Fundamentally, if corruption is a free flowing stat that can be transfered in all directions, the game won't be able to track where a certain amount of corruption came from. So let's take an example of a playthrough where the player avoids deliberate corruption choices for the MC, but still makes plausible mission fail decisions that could lead to Lily's corruption increasing. A set up for NTR. But for the route selection logic, there is no difference between this way of playing and a corruption embracing MC that sends all his farmed corruption into Lily. You get my drift? What's more, if Lily's corruption increases due to mission fail or any other NTR trigger that is happening, the MC can find out about it since he has the power to sense corruption. And what justification would the MC have to not lower her corruption by taking it into himself and then sending it to the medallion for stat boosts?

It just seems tricky to create a nice flow and progression to a chosen route if that route can be arrived at in any number of ways based on how you allocate the corruption. What if you need a certain threshold of corruption for Lily to have her get stolen, but the only way to reach that threshold is to farm corrutpion with MC and transfer it over to her?

This is where I am coming back to the critique that NTR is one fetish that tends to work better when the player and the MC's interest do not align. For consensual fetishes like netorase, it makes perfect sense to give all the control to the MC, and by extension, the player. But for NTR, the player is wanting an outcome that is contrary to the well being of the MC and his loved ones, so the choices shouldn't be so deliberate. The monster NTR set up was fine, but when the MC sees what happened later, he is already in cuck mode, getting aroused from his girlfriend getting raped. That's the kind of flavor that should be reserved for the NTS route or at least wait for the affirmation choice where the MC thinks it was hot.

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Anyways, I know I talked so much about NTR but that's cus it's the route I played lol. I can tell the game will be really satisfying for MC corruption power fantasy way of playing. But if you want to do the true NTR justice later on, maybe consider some of the points I've touched upon. Even if you don't change anything, I suppose it wouldn't hurt to see what some NTR fans look for in an NTR plot.

i dont know about all that. there are hundreds of netorare games out there, but only like 4 netorase games that dont turn into netorare. seems to me the smart move is leaning far harder into the netorase to satiate that untapped market, rather than cater to the hard core netorare purists that scare off literally everyone but them. (ive seen even gruo people chased away by the netorare extremists) not to mention the insane writing difficulty that would cause in an already ambitious (almost too ambitious) game. it would effectively double the writing, and quadruple the coding needed.

also, can everyone agree to stop using the "ntr" abbreviation already? netorare, netorase, and netori are 3 dramatically different things that dont belong under one abbreviation. they have their own names, use those. at this point the abbreviation is so diluted by the people who riot when they find out the mom in an incest game was touched at some point in the past by the mc's dad, "how dare you add ntr! you monster!" so its meaningless. you saying "true ntr" might as well be just mashing keys uhfpiwohfufsilj, see means basically the same thing, nothing. you use a word the wrong way long enough and it starts to mean everything and nothing at the same time, rendering it pointless. they have their own names that have yet to be diluted so use those, and leave ntr to the screechers

 

[desmosome]

i dont know about all that. there are hundreds of netorare games out there, but only like 4 netorase games that dont turn into netorare. seems to me the smart move is leaning far harder into the netorase to satiate that untapped market, rather than cater to the hard core netorare purists that scare off literally everyone but them. (ive seen even gruo people chased away by the netorare extremists) not to mention the insane writing difficulty that would cause in an already ambitious (almost too ambitious) game. it would effectively double the writing, and quadruple the coding needed.

also, can everyone agree to stop using the "ntr" abbreviation already? netorare, netorase, and netori are 3 dramatically different things that dont belong under one abbreviation. they have their own names, use those. at this point the abbreviation is so diluted by the people who riot when they find out the mom in an incest game was touched at some point in the past by the mc's dad, "how dare you add ntr! you monster!" so its meaningless. you saying "true ntr" might as well be just mashing keys uhfpiwohfufsilj, see means basically the same thing, nothing. you use a word the wrong way long enough and it starts to mean everything and nothing at the same time, rendering it pointless. they have their own names that have yet to be diluted so use those, and leave ntr to the screechers

I'm clearly talking about the specifics of one route out of a bunch. If you don't go for that route, it doesn't affect you in any way. The ambitious goal of this game is to basically have all the tags under the sun, so what's your point? There will be fem MC, anthro MC, and there is already gay, straight, bi, NTS, NTR, corruption, etc etc. No one is saying one single route should be the sole focus. As for your other rant about semantics, I will not bother commenting lol.

 

[corellius]

I'm clearly talking about the specifics of one route out of a bunch. If you don't go for that route, it doesn't affect you in any way. The ambitious goal of this game is to basically have all the tags under the sun, so what's your point? There will be fem MC, anthro MC, and there is already gay, straight, bi, NTS, NTR, corruption, etc etc. No one is saying one single route should be the sole focus. As for your other rant about semantics, I will not bother commenting lol.

well if i misunderstood, then it obviously wasnt that clear. it read much the same as the hundreds of other comments ive seen before demanding that "true ntr" be front and center and have its own full dedicated route at the expense of the others, and ad the dramatic expense of development time. "who cares if it makes updates take 3 times longer because it doubles the writing and quadruples the coding, so long as my already extremely common and very catered to fetish is yet again center stage" thats what it read like to me. and your response seems to reinforce that.
what i was trying to say, and obviously i wasn't clear enough either, is maybe scale back a bit, at least until the core of the game is finished, and maybe then worry about expanding the routes rather than pile on enough ambition to burn out like literally every dev ever whos tried this before. that being said this dev has already broken through many early hurdles so ive more faith in wistala than most. but if they work themselves to death trying to do everything all at once it wont be good for anyone lol. development need not be chronological, you can create the core and build more around it rather than stretch everywhere at the same time.

as for my "rant" this is an irksome issue that has been a plague on the internet. precision of language is not semantics, its about clear communication. if saying ntr can mean all manner of things, then nobody knows for certain what you just meant, the interpretation will vary wildly from person to person. which is why just using the specific word is simply better.

the degradation of porn tags is and issue, one that needs fixing. im allowed to be mad about it . i mean dont get me started on the madness involved in merging the futa and trans tags into one...just like the 3 ntr's they are dramatically different things that frankly should not be under the same tag.

 

[Mfka5]

I dont think i asked this before so can we get more info how does time rewind work exactly.
This game gives me so many questions, i dont know what to think anymore.
Like, when time is rewind, is it like as nothing ever happened or it did actually happen but they dont remember??
If so then how do they still get their stats if nothing happened or if it did happen why dont they remember it???
Im so confused. Why complicate this so much smh its kinda annoying me at this point.
If there was an option to disable time rewind i'd do it.

Brother please dont implement multiple realities as well, i wont know what is real or not

 

[Wistala]

I dont think i asked this before so can we get more info how does time rewind work exactly.
This game gives me so many questions, i dont know what to think anymore.
Like, when time is rewind, is it like as nothing ever happened or it did actually happen but they dont remember??
If so then how do they still get their stats if nothing happened or if it did happen why dont they remember it???
Im so confused. Why complicate this so much smh its kinda annoying me at this point.
If there was an option to disable time rewind i'd do it.

Brother please dont implement multiple realities as well, i wont know what is real or not

When time jumps, the events that happened during that time did happen but only a select few people will be able to remember them. Specifically those with a medallion bonded to them and some that are just naturally powerful. The stats on the AI goes up because that tool is an omniscient tool that breaks the laws of the game, looking at the secret stats page of the characters is sort of like cheating. The events that happen before a time jump can leave an impact on the soul but the body is not aware of the souls existence, hence the corruption buildup but the obliviousness of the actual person to the event.

 

[Mfka5]

Soo.. when someone gets injured or dies, it actually happened? So like, do they still have the injuries day after they get rewinded, wouldnt make sense if they dont cuz you said it did happen or maybe it only happened to soul and not physically. How do they come back to life if they died and it was real. Medallion and powers, so like the one we have and Wistala? Powers like every furry has or more like physical power? Idk man. Medalion bonded to them? Like i bonded it to those 2 co workers? So they should remember it then?
Also what is soul exactly, i assume its not a literal human soul like ours. Conneting corruption to dying is so odd, when i think of corruption its always lust. It feels to me like im on a different planet or something lmao
Are you an alien perhaps

 

[Wistala]

Soo.. when someone gets injured or dies, it actually happened? So like, do they still have the injuries day after they get rewinded, wouldnt make sense if they dont cuz you said it did happen or maybe it only happened to soul and not physically. How do they come back to life if they died and it was real. Medallion and powers, so like the one we have and Wistala? Powers like every furry has or more like physical power? Idk man. Medalion bonded to them? Like i bonded it to those 2 co workers? So they should remember it then?
Also what is soul exactly, i assume its not a literal human soul like ours. Conneting corruption to dying is so odd, when i think of corruption its always lust. It feels to me like im on a different planet or something lmao
Are you an alien perhaps

Soul is referring to a human soul! The soul is what stores corruption, not the body. So when time gets rewound it resets everyone's physical body, so the events that happen get undone in the physical world but persist to the soul since it exists outside of the bounds of normal time. Your coworkers do not remember the events because they are not bound to Armanis like the player character is. Wistala remembers events because she is bound to her own medallion which helps protect her memories from the time reset

 

[Blakeheart Games]

Soo.. when someone gets injured or dies, it actually happened? So like, do they still have the injuries day after they get rewinded, wouldnt make sense if they dont cuz you said it did happen or maybe it only happened to soul and not physically. How do they come back to life if they died and it was real. Medallion and powers, so like the one we have and Wistala? Powers like every furry has or more like physical power? Idk man. Medalion bonded to them? Like i bonded it to those 2 co workers? So they should remember it then?
Also what is soul exactly, i assume its not a literal human soul like ours. Conneting corruption to dying is so odd, when i think of corruption its always lust. It feels to me like im on a different planet or something lmao
Are you an alien perhaps

Essentially, think of corruption like erosion, not necessarily sexual corruption. Dying, dark experiences, etc. all have an effect on the soul, even if that particular branch is pruned back to regrow. (Rewinding time.)

 

[Mfka5]

So basically when time is rewind, to those people it was literally like a dream?
Everything was in their mind and they cant feel any injuries. Some can remember and some dont. So thats why they gain corruption, cuz they witnessed those events, suddenly they may get more lusty without even knowing why

 

[Blakeheart Games]

So basically when time is rewind, to those people it was literally like a dream?
Everything was in their mind and they cant feel any injuries. Some can remember and some dont. So thats why they gain corruption, cuz they witnessed those events, suddenly they may get more lusty without even knowing why

Yep, that's pretty much it exactly!~

 

[ddfd]

FYI, Lilly's sex count will increase if you choose to let them die again even with extreme turned off.

Just thought you should know before someone cries like a baby in here.

 

[Mfka5]

Yeah i noticed it too, you can basically spam it and increase her sex count to 1000 lol
But it wouldnt be real apparently, its like it happened in a dream which doesnt count i guess.