VN Ren'Py But I'm the Bad Guy? [v0.081] [DLGB]

[Beavis & Butthead]

There's nothing wrong with artists asking for small contributions to be able to justify their time and expenses on their art. There's computer hardware, electricity to run renders for hundreds of hours a month, paying for 3D assets... The artist isn't responsible for covering those costs just so you can enjoy their work for free. So feel free to not comment on the situation.

If this was his day job and he had to abandon it due to no money for rent or food after getting kicked off Patreon (no surprise there, they are notoriously unreliable for AVN devs) or where ever then I agree, but not every side hobby is free or income-producing, sometimes it costs money to do like most any other hobby. If a dev is doing it for the storytelling and enjoys doing it (if not then they need a new hobby/career), then fuck the money. If they are doing it for the money then quit wasting time on AVNs, there's far more time-efficient ways to make it. He said it himself that the money wasn't important when he started, dunno why it is now when things like music and Daz assets can be pirated (or reverse-engineered if need be) just as easily as entire AVNs here, esp with no platform to complain and send DMCA notices to.

 

[Six0]

I'm sorry to hear that. A live devoid of art you enjoy is a sad life.

Many things come close but ultimately fail when they rely on tired, played out, recycled as fuck tropes. This game could be fixed with one little tweak.

 

[Frazzanova]

If this was his day job and he had to abandon it due to no money for rent or food after getting kicked off Patreon (no surprise there, they are notoriously unreliable for AVN devs) or where ever then I agree, but not every side hobby is free or income-producing, sometimes it costs money to do like most any other hobby. If a dev is doing it for the storytelling and enjoys doing it (if not then they need a new hobby/career), then fuck the money. If they are doing it for the money then quit wasting time on AVNs, there's far more time-efficient ways to make it. He said it himself that the money wasn't important when he started, dunno why it is now when things like music and Daz assets can be pirated (or reverse-engineered if need be) just as easily as entire AVNs here, esp with no platform to complain and send DMCA notices to.

In the short term, sure. But people complain up and down the wall about abandoned projects, but then say they say nothing is worth helping cover their expenses, while also demanding higher quality renders or faster updates. Say $1000 for an entry level rendering PC, 700 hours per month of electricity running that PC, licensing assets, maybe a website. Spitting in the artist's face saying their work isn't worth paying for while they give you a hundred hours of entertainment isn't a recipe for the artist to continue.

It's a shame you don't understand how art works, the time, effort, the physical and psychological investment, and expense that goes into continuing your art. I bet you'll pay artists $120 to see a concert for a couple hours when you can just pirate the MP3 for free, yet foam at the mouth at the idea of giving a visual artist $5 in appreciation for hours of entertainment because you can get it here for free. Sad, really.

 

[KnuckleDragger79]

Well, shit.

 

[t0sja]

Let them make completed games first and then the money

 

[Saint Blackmoor]

If the game or work is just going to collect dust anyway, then why not give it away? Do you seriously ask for money if someone digs in your trash?

Good points. It's just as simple as you state. In our digital world, "consent of use" is a grey area now.

 

[GaboCAP]

So you finally get the mom but with the worst camera angles imaginable and short af.

Canera angles and lighting was always questionable with this one.

 

[LIONREX]

Damm! This is sad just when there was finally sex with the mother and daughter

 

[\FOXBOT/]

Game update is out. Could you update the game walkthrough mod?

Hoping you'll update your excellent mod (despite the game going on hold now >.< )

Updated! Hope everything works

 

[Six0]

In the short term, sure. But people complain up and down the wall about abandoned projects, but then say they say nothing is worth helping cover their expenses, while also demanding higher quality renders or faster updates. Say $1000 for an entry level rendering PC, 700 hours per month of electricity running that PC, licensing assets, maybe a website. Spitting in the artist's face saying their work isn't worth paying for while they give you a hundred hours of entertainment isn't a recipe for the artist to continue.

I don't know about Beavis & Butthead over there but I never demand higher quality renders or faster updates. An artist doesn't need an expensive rig burning up electricity like their running a crypto mining operation. They just need to stop following trends (ie: big dicks, maledom, every other scene being a blowjob) and learn how to write so they can tell better stories with more interesting characters. While not forgetting to put an adequate amount of sex scenes in their "porn" games. That's where most developers of the "teasing" subgenre lose sight of the forest for the trees.

 

[Deleted member 527775]

the weird ass obsession of the dev scared me the most.

if it's on hold or abandoned now its for the best

 

[Frazzanova]

I don't know about Beavis & Butthead over there but I never demand higher quality renders or faster updates. An artist doesn't need an expensive rig burning up electricity like their running a crypto mining operation. They just need to stop following trends (ie: big dicks, maledom, every other scene being a blowjob) and learn how to write so they can tell better stories with more interesting characters. While not forgetting to put an adequate amount of sex scenes in their "porn" games. That's where most developers of the "teasing" subgenre lose sight of the forest for the trees.

That's funny. Since I've yet to find a single artist, animator or hentai developer making anything worth paying for.

You say that, but also admit out of the 18,000 games here and millions of media across the internet that not a single one of them is worth subscribing to. Unless every single one of the 18,000 games here fall under your excuse of using the trends you don't like, no game will ever be created that will be worth it to you. If that's the case, your opinion on the matter is moot. And yet, I bet you've gotten hundreds or thousands of hours of entertainment from the games you say aren't worth it.

 

[Six0]

You say that, but also admit out of the 18,000 games here and millions of media across the internet that not a single one of them is worth subscribing to. Unless every single one of the 18,000 games here fall under your excuse of using the trends you don't like, no game will ever be created that will be worth it to you. If that's the case, your opinion on the matter is moot. And yet, I bet you've gotten hundreds or thousands of hours of entertainment from the games you say aren't worth it.

If you scroll up, you'd see I gave an example of what would have made this game something worth paying for. An example of the kind of game that nobody else is making. So no, out of the 18,000 games on this site or the millions across others, not a single one of them is worth paying for for that reason.

 

[alphawhiskey220]

wait... Is this a new update? Opened it up and theres no new scenes. Or am I trippin?

 

[Frazzanova]

If you scroll up, you'd see I gave an example of what would have made this game something worth paying for. An example of the kind of game that nobody else is making. So no, out of the 18,000 games on this site or the millions across others, not a single one of them is worth paying for for that reason.

If that's the case, your opinion on the matter is moot.

Like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Hiding your cheapness behind impossible standards isn't going to help you on this. Even if they made the adjustments you mentioned, I'd bet my paycheck you still wouldn't support the dev. Luckily there are altruistic people that do appreciate their efforts and support them to thank them for their work. 99% of the games created are here because people do value their efforts and encourage them to keep going, rather than just tell them 18,000 games and developers aren't worth it and shouldn't have even bothered creating anything in the first place.

 

[JaszMan]

Would be cool if there was a supernatural element introduced that involves that evil rich mansion girl. God she gives me evil vibes. Great story regardless,,

 

[Six0]

Hiding your cheapness behind impossible standards

WTH does this even mean? Wanting a game about a female protagonist who's a bad mom is an impossible standard? Yeah, okay, sure buddy. If that's impossible then my point is totally valid. These devs and their cheap ideas aren't worth shit.

 

[Frazzanova]

WTH does this even mean? Wanting a game about a female protagonist who's a bad mom is an impossible standard? Yeah, okay, sure buddy. If that's impossible then my point is totally valid. These devs and their cheap ideas aren't worth shit.

Not one of the 18,000 games or any media, animation, hentai, or artist's work across the entirety of the internet being worth it to you is the impossible standard. So tell me. If they realigned the story to Alice's point of view, you'd pay for it? The first game or media that's ever been created that you'd support? Not one single game across the 18,000 here have a bad mom protagonist that meets your quality standard, but that's all it would take for you to open your wallet on this game? Doubt it. I think you're just blowing smoke, and quite literally no artist could ever create any sort of media that you'd support.

And yet, I bet you've gotten hundreds or thousands of hours of entertainment from the games you say aren't worth it.

 

[Strong1]

What the fuck is up with the complete start over mid game with a totally new story and just abandoning the previous one???!!

 

[Ginji]

updates then gets put onhold hmmm weird,pity great story so much scope for future fun.hope dev sorts the funding side of this out-too good to let go