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Also keep in mind that staff are a lot more careful with 3D content than with 2D or pixel art. A body type that might pass rule 7 as a 2DCG is absolutely not guaranteed to get a pass in 3D.
Can mods/staff decide if my content is allowed or not?
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Sigh.
I'm going to dip my toe into this convo.
First, the images you are sharing via links which you say come from the game Radiant, are those in the base game or are they a mod? Because I am looking at the image previews in the game thread's OP, and do not see that kind of age representation in the game and there is no Loli tag.. Unless I am missing it?
Second, Morphnet has already done a very good job explaining why things are how they are and why each case is taken on its own, separately. Just because you don't agree with that doesn't mean it's not the reality.
Third, staff don't give a shit if a game is #1 or #100000000000 for popularity. They get nothing, nada, zilch, zero from the games. If the staff determine that the game violates F95 policy, they deal with it as they have set forth.
It is their site. They do set the rules. If you do not like that, you are free to go elsewhere. You are a guest. Just like at a party, if you are a guest and you don't like how the party is run then you can try to ask the host to change or you can leave. If the host chooses not to change, you either choose to accept it or you choose to leave, because it's their house, their party, their rules.
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If you think site don't have to lose if they ban their top games, ur very wrong, thats literally ones of their most followed games and threads and a lot of people will be mad if they ban those games, I wont be surprised if they lose 20%+ of active members if they ban only the games I mentioned.
Only that parties dont last for 4 years + straight , yeah idk for me make no sense that analogy, is true that their site their rules, but its also true that a site can change and get better and everyone wins lol. And btw a lot of people already did do that and left including ex mods/staff and make their own sites etc and now if I wanna keep with most games I have to follow 4 sites where 2 years ago I had most of things I want on F95 at least adult games/VN side. And I think everyone have to lose when we slowly censor everything, look now at new games category and compare it to few years ago, tell me last good game released on F95 that alot of people fallow and is not just another generic story with generic characters that abide by Patreon censorships.
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It's not just Radiant, its like 5 different games in which I believe only 1 example is from a mod that is posted on OP page anyway, so I dont see how that even make any difference anyway, mods also is part of the game they approve. rules apply to any links/mods (especially on OP) that lead to breaking the rules no? I know some examples where they already did that.
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It had loli tag but seems like they remove it now while same content is available , they didn't removed anything.
Also other games I give example are Neko Paradise, The sunset fairies and Corrupted Love
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They don't fucking care. They've banned very popular games in the past for fucking around and finding out. They'll do it again. You overestimate the voracity of the people on here. There are over 7 million accounts. They come here, they download, they jack off, lather, rinse, repeat.
Very few are as active as even you. The mean number of posts per account is <2. The median is Zero.
You claim Morphnet is arguing simply to do so, but it is you who are.
No one is slowly censoring anything... The rest of this quote is a tangent, not to the point of the conversation.
As for Radiant - if it is a mod, is the mod hosted or linked in OP for the game thread?
And yes, it does make a difference. If there is mod/patch content available for a game but it is not linked or hosted on f95 then f95 cannot be held responsible.
That said, I know there is at least one game that got banned because the developer played a little to cutesy with similar attempts at creating loopholes.
The staff are trying to make as much content available for players while also trying to keep their website off any radars for potential problems that could cause their server hosts, etc to ditch them.
That's why it's not just one person who decides what stays and what goes, but a team response. They have to treat each case on its own merits.
You should also read this: https://f95zone.to/threads/why-does-rule-7-exist.13449/post-798560
If you have problems with how f95 makes these decisions, or report a game, or you want to file an appeal -- open a support ticket
Your argument otherwise just goes round in circles.
This site is not a democracy. Again if you don't like the way it is run and the staff is not going to change it to your liking, you have 2 options. Accept it or leave. Attempting to play your voice in the forums is only going to make you look the fool.
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I was replying to the OP, not to you. Particularly to their claim that the character doesn't look prepubescent. While this is generally enough for 2D content to get a pass, simply looking underage (even if postpubescent) can be enough for 3D content to get banned. But not always, because even when comparing 3D content you have to consider different levels of stylization and that can lead staff to feel differently about it.
Ultimately it's a subjective matter for which applying an exact cutoff point is difficult. Hence why they're voting about it.
From a consumer perspective it's obscure and sometimes frustrating but it isn't the end of the world either: I consume a lot of loli content and never felt particularly bothered by this rule.
From a creator perspective it might feel like it limits your creative freedom but well, Patreon will do far worse to you in that regard and in order to have full creative freedom you'll have to accept you need to pay out of pocket for many things (just like most JP creators do).
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If ALL the games you were referring to have already been approved then you are making false claims that they are breaking the rules.
Another false claim, unless you were present during the review session you have no idea why those games were approved. Also you are basing what you believe to be game content that breaks rules or doesn't break rules on your own opinion, there are those who would disagree with you, why should your opinion be taken over theirs?
This is why they vote, otherwise it would be unfair as you are clearly demonstrating now.
This is why I advised you to stop and think before replying.... so let's look at those points
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Firstly, while some games are added by mods, many are added by uploaders and update can be linked by members.
Secondly, as you are implying that they do have time to play all these games, that would mean you know how many reports, tickets, PM's they have to deal with on a daily basis then how many threads need to be moderated, how many posts have to be reviewed in site feedback etc. etc. and you still want to claim that they are able to play every game up to update 6 or 10 etc.
With many games having 12+ hours of game play, you are just being unrealistic!
And you can guarentee that they did NOT find out about the content through reports?
Also that is another false claim that the popular games with that content get most of the site attention and another that they are prepubescent. Again your OPINION does not make it true... unless you are able to talk for the almost 8 million members?
So according to you, a game like radiant should be judged on equal terms with a game like summertime saga?
If it been approved then it is NOT breaking the rules, you claiming it does is again your opinion, just as it is your opinion that the other content does not cross the line.
Again I ask, there are those who disagree with you, why should your opinion be taken over theirs?
Also until you join the mods or staff you can't say "it clearly breaks the rules", it's not your site, you can only say you think it does.... one is fact and one is an opinion and they are very different.
Please... go explain that to the rest of the real world.... YOU can't even get members on this site to agree with you but you claim it's not complicated....
So you would ban games with dexter's sister in them (from dexter's laboratory)? flat as a board and NOT prepubescent.... but if you allow that one then according to you, being equal and all, you have to allow daz models like that? If you think you can convince anyone in the real world that it makes sense then you haven't been paying attention to the real world...
That the mods and staff here are doing their jobs and doing them well.... If "most" people didn't think that there would be more posts like yours from the vocal minority... do you see an overwhelming outcry in here? Of the minority of members who do post daily on these forums do you see the majority of them in here?
It's not up to me, I'm not a mod or staff, I admit I am bias, I have preferences towards certain art / render styles, certain poses, certain content. Also I don't just think of myself...
I am also an adult, when if I see a game I was enjoying or one I might have enjoyed get removed, I go look on the other sites I have bookmarked and download it there or go search for it and if I can't find it I come back here and download something else.... I don't go making threads or complaining in them because I understand the mods and staff are trying to keep the site, community and themselves safe and that includes me, which I am very grateful for...
https://f95zone.to/threads/general-rules-updated-2024-06-04.5589/
7. Content (a game, image, video, story, animation, etc.) depicting nudity, sexualization or sexual/erotic activity involving prepubescent character(s) is prohibited. A "prepubescent character" is one that visually shows no sign of puberty, or if non-visual is otherwise clearly intended to represent a prepubescent character. 2D and 'unrealistic' depictions are generally looked upon more favorably. As this involves some discretion, if you are unsure ask a Staff Member.
- This includes translations, bug fixes, etc for banned content.
He didn't make the rules and you don't make the rules, it doesn't matter if YOU or HE thinks it's ok, it only matters if the mods and staff think it's ok....
Why would you need permission? because it's NOT his site, his OPINION doesn't set the rules, his OPINION and VIEW is NOT shared by everyone, everywhere and this is a PRIVATE forum....
ok let see...
and now...
https://f95zone.to/threads/general-rules-updated-2024-06-04.5589/
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Seen many new content creators NOT making banned content making many of these threads have you?
It's not toxic, it's reality, when you complain that content that could cause the site to get shut down should not be banned, not taking into account for a second that not all the world shares your views, opinions or ideas, that is selfish.
If you did actually "care" you would think about the consequences of hosting different types of content and then answer with something more than just "it's not complicated" because in reality if it wasn't complicated the world would have sorted out the issue long ago and you wouldn't have people and countries still arguing over it....
If you realize that, how much impact do you think you will have when law enforcement tries to shut down this site? Do the mods and staffs just tell them "well it's not complicated and mylewdforum said the content was legal so it must be!" ?
This site moves in the direction the real world allows it to and even then the mods and staff have gone out of their way to try give us as much content as possible. People seem to ignore that fact though, they ignore the years they've kept this site up for, the countless hours of work, the fact it has one of the largest collection of games and even has those games you mentioned but it's all ignored because a thread or some content or a game got removed.
Simple, there are too many different art styles and renders out there and new ones show up from time to time and you can't have one rule fits all when dealing with so much diversity. You can't hold a guy who started drawing yesterday to the same standard you do an artist who has been drawing for 30 years, you can't hold a 2d chibi game to the same standard as a game with high definition, photo realistic models and the mods and staff can't guess what one law enforcement agency will think compared to another.
The fact that some people don't see the difficult situation the mods and staff are in and how hard they are working to try walk a fine line and keep the site, community and themselves safe is what confuses me.
Then you haven't been paying attention, sites have been shut down and we even had a group from one of them move here, there has been posts of a court case that happened recently and the world itself isn't any closer to that one rule you are expecting this site to have.
Get what you can here, what you can't get here go find somewhere else, it's not hard but the way some people on the forum accuse, bash and treat the mods and staff is ridiculous and they should be ashamed of themselves.
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Radiant need a patch for its loli content. What have been approved is the game without its patch and the possibility for the said patch to exist, as long as it's hosted somewhere else. So it's do not correspond to what you are saying.
Neko Paradise too do not correspond to what you are saying.
Game approved and not opened to report (unless late addition of a character) have an obvious and clearly visible notice from the staff in their thread opening. It's not the case here.
This make me wonder if you ever seen the said notice; how, otherwise than by ignoring that it exist, can you have missed that Neko Paradise don't have it?
What, by extension, make me wonder to what extend your other example actually correspond to what you are saying.
I'll even goes further. I probably recognized one of your screenshot; hard to say for sure since you did your best for them to not be recognizable. And, if I'm right, it picture a character that is a MtF transgender at the start of its transition; therefore a character that, for obvious reasons, do not, and can not, have boobs corresponding to its age.
I don't remember the name, but there's a game that have been hit by the rule 1.7 hammer that week. And by the number of threads asking what happened to it, I'm pretty sure that it was a big one.
So what next? You'll say that they make exception to games that are big, unless they don't like its creator?
I fail to see your point here.
I'm not part of the staff, neither am I a moderator, what imply that by default I have more free time than them. Yet I haven't time to play 90% of the games on the top lists for years, even those with hundreds of praising ratings.
Plus, you seem to kind of not be in capacity to understand that the longer a game is on "their top lists", the more updates it have had. Updates that add content into the game, content that can possibly break the rules and open the game for a new review.
Hell, even games with the "we reviewed it" notice are still opened to review if you explicitly point to the fact that it's something that appeared in the last update and feature a character that looks even more younger that the one previously reviewed.
How fucking dense one need to be to not understand that the members will not be banned because of that, while it's something that have been said to him in almost all the answers he got in that thread?
Hell, OP himself posted on the thread to say that his content have been rejected. Something that he wouldn't have been able to do if he was banned! But no, even that obvious proof trigger nothing in your brain...
You should apply to biology 101, it seem that you need some refreshing on that topic.
My daughter was ~11yo when she had her first period, and ~13yo when she started to have boobs visible enough to be called that. And I can assure you that, while the actual age vary, it's far to be something exceptional. When you're a girl you don't awake the day of your birthday and magically become a pubescent person with boobs.
There's even women (therefore adults, feel like it need to be specified) who have boobs smaller than an average 12-13yo girl. And I don't talk about muscled women, I talk about purely lambda ones.
Rule 1.7:
"A 'prepubescent character' is one that visually shows no sign of puberty, or if non-visual is otherwise clearly intended to represent a prepubescent character. 2D and 'unrealistic' depictions are generally looked upon more favorably." emphasis is mine.
I've seem better wording for a "very clear line"...
Note that the second part probably apply to Neko Paradise since the girl shown in your screenshot (and for which we clearly see the starts of boobs) is clearly a nekogirl and therefore an unrealistic depiction.
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Thats why I literally compare it with other similar 3D art lol.
He literally said that he can literally post his content everywhere but F95 lol including Twitter/Deviant/rule34 that are much more strict with this kind of content, so I though. And if this site will get in trouble with law enforcement, Content with young teen girls will be the last things they will go for, theres literally toddlers 2D arts, actual prepubescent 3D realistic contents, necrophilia, zoophilia, gore etc etc that are actual popular too and people complain about them, meanwhile lets ban new creators with young teen looking girls that have their own little threads on dev artworks, im sure they will be the bane of this forum....cmon now..can we at least be honest for once?
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Then I wholeheartedly encourage you to travel the world and educate all those in a position to take this site down or take legal action against it, that they are wrong and change their minds.
It seems for some reason that you and some others think that the mods and staff remove / ban content as some kind of personal punishment, that they are in some way out to get you guys. To them this is NOT about if a member or certain members can't play the games they like or look at the renders they like, it's about how the real world will react to the content and what they will do to the site for allowing it.
First, it's not an argument, I am passing on information, giving facts and giving the correct details to counter your false claims, assumptions and ideas that seem allergic to reality.
It is also for other members who might read this so that they get the correct information and are shown the bigger picture and are not stuck just reading "I can't see it / I can't pay it so now I'm angry, mods and staff unfair"
Seriously, how hard is it to think of others from time to time and not just yourselves?
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So which of teenx char break that rule and why exactly, also hows his chars not passing rule7 while Sunset Fairies chars do while they look younger and undeveloped?
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We compare 3D realistic to 3D realistic though, also rule say clearly prepubescent and maybe exceptions if there's 2D/unrealistic style, but if they are not prepubescent then all content should be fine?
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All three of those rely on a reporting system from other users.. The posts probably have not received the attention of those who report, that's all.
Just because he hasn't been reported yet does not mean they allow that content.
This isn't rocket science.
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You literally admit that they can be unfair and its their site/their rules and they can do whatever they want? You just prove my point though, I don't know if you realize or not
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Among the many lines that you clearly haven't took the time to read in my post, there were those few words:
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deviant 150+follows 5k+ views, twitter 350+ followers with 60+ posts that each have 300-700 views for almost 3 months, I know creators that gets nuked day1 if their work is against TOS so idk, while its still possible that is true is very hard for me to believe, also rule34 posts need to be approved first by the mods I believe with new acc
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sorry for double post
It is also their site and "Twitter/Deviant/rule34" can do what they like, going "ooh everyone else is doing it so why not" was not an intelligent or realistic answer when people were 5 and it still isn't.
Hence my reply....
Are you for some reason under the impression that there is a human watching and reviewing every single post to "Twitter/Deviant/rule34"? Like here those places rely heavily on a reporting system, unlike here twitter has paid staff and a legal team and I don't know about deviant (staff and legal wise) and which rule34 are you even talking about?
It is also their site and "Twitter/Deviant/rule34" can do what they like, going "ooh everyone else is doing it so why not" was not an intelligent or realistic answer when people were 5 and it still isn't.
Every time you make a statement like this you loose more credibility and you didn't have much to start with.....
I don't know, it doesn't seem like you can but that's for you to answer.....