In my opinion because the visuals in the VN's are often more enjoyable than the story. One can always form own fantasies around the visuals themselves or just enjoy a particular sex scenes without paying too much attention to the dialogue, or story that's frankly often limited in VN's and often take some time to form. I personally often end up skipping past alot of dialogues I find boring, too general or predictable, only going back when it turns out to be something I find interesting. If it's a really good story I prefer a illustrated novel to VN because they fit more text, even comics I find sometimes better if there's more content.
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Indeed and not to mention, FallOut 4 was made by a team of over a 100 men and had a budget in the 100 - plus - million sphere. I think it's safe to say that a two man independant VN will never be able to compete on any kind of level, with a game like FallOut 4 which enjoys commercial backing on an industrial scale. That is, unless you're ok with updates being pushed back to let's say, once every year or two! The reality is, when you're working with such a small team/budget, it's practically impossible to get anywhere, without cutting corners where ever you can. If not, one of two things will inevitably end up happening, either the rate of progress is painfully slow, or burnout culls off the team before the project builds any kind of real momentum. So I think inde guys like Vecro & Sak deserve more support and less slander, besides, given that most 'exhibitionism' heavy games are either 2DCG or -worse yet!- Honey Select, I think it's safe to say that their attention to detail is already lightyears ahead of the competition!
Great point, take games like SlutED, or Hana's Exposure. Both, fantastic games in the ENF genre, in fact, definitely two of the best currently running titles in the genre and yet, those devs cut corners like crazy! Talk about doing more with less, SlutED uses an art style that superimposes a watercolor effect on real porn images, giving a hand drawn effect, without having to do any real drawing, it's actually quite a cool concept and I'm surprised more people haven't tried it before now. They also frequently use implied exhibitionism (where more people are watching than can actually be seen in the CG) to tell the story and in most cases, they pull it off successfully. Not to mention, the heavy use of sprites, to get through minor scenes faster, allowing them to dedicate much more time to erotic scenes. Hana's Exposure uses all of these techniques expertly too but then, all of their CGs are hand drawn, which is of course much more difficult and time consuming. In spite of this lapse in detail, their games are, right up there with Casey's Fall, at the top of my 'anticipated updates' list!
The real take away here is that, no matter how much you fuss over detail, you'll still never please the few perfectionists out there but most people would much rather, that minor scenes are less detailed, in order for the devs to conserve their effors for the major erotic scenes, as this approach generally leads to larger and more frequent updates.
I don't want more sex in this game right now (though more sex in this game wouldn't hurt in my opinion). I mean something a little bit different than sex - the sexuality of models. I understand sexuality as the potential of a model to convince the viewer that this model reflects a person who could actually exist and have sex in the real world.
To be better understood, I will compare your avatar with the avatar of the author of the post below user Pr0n.
Your avatar is made in the 3d technique, but in such a way that it looks like a doll made of plasticine or other plastic material. On the forehead of your avatar you can not see any details, the texture of wrinkles - it is evenly illuminated. I am not a graphic designer, but it seems to me that the use of the 3D technique with options that result in such an effect of hiding these natural details makes the model seem like a figurine made of what material. Figurines made with details with facial features, eyes, but still figurines.
However, the avatar below, although in 2d technology, gives the impression of a real elf who can have real sex. Therefore, I would rate the sexuality of the avatar Pr0n at 4 stars, the artistic value similarly 4-5 stars.
However, your avatar in 3d and in the style that resembles a figurine for me has sexuality on the level of 1-2 stars when assessed for artistic impressions at the level of 4-5 stars. Simply figures, even if they are naked and they will have sex, it will only be like a substitute for sex.
I'm not saying that everyone will agree with me, but I am convinced that if players were given the option to choose between significantly different graphics styles in the game, it would be a very attractive option - 2 in one game, although of course also twice as laborious.
I'm sorry to mention FallOut 4 as it only added confusion to this thread.
However, I wrote immediately
that I don't mean the optionality of that game, but the optionality of graphics styles that even FallOUt 4 does not have. This is another optionality, perhaps requiring a different graphical environment for modeling.
I do not agree with the thesis that a 2-person team cannot compete with a production that has a budget of 100 million in any respect.
In terms of erotic sensations, and in terms of the attractiveness of the script, at least a few blackmail games can easily compete with FallOut.
Of course, this will not translate into profitability quickly because the niche of audiences interested in erotic games is smaller than the mainstream that Fallout or other very large productions are aimed at.
In addition, a larger percentage of erotic game recipients play these games for free, as opposed to large-scale game recipients who are under greater pressure to have legal copies of the game.
I downloaded Fallout 4 from a torrent and tried it for 2 hours at most and never came back to this game for over 2 months, so I don't see any reason why I should pay for something completely useless.
Erotic games with a good script and good graphics are the most competitive for such large productions, as long as someone likes to play erotic games and knows where it is easiest to find these games.
In the last 2 months, I have spent at least 50 times as much time (if not 100) playing sex games than playing Fallout 4.
This does not mean, however, that erotic games are easy to develop and make money on it.
Competition in this niche is very fierce and almost everything is available for free with a slight delay after the update is released.
I do not have to play these games on the day of their premiere, so I calmly wait for public releases and compressed versions that I download faster and take up less space.
I try to support developers with comments and reviews. Since I like this game, I also contribute to this thread.
I can quickly give you 3 examples of games (of the type of blackmail), the style of graphics more appealing to me in terms of eroticism (I can also distinguish the artistic value, but it does not necessarily be erotic or porn) than the style of graphics in this game.
The developer won't be offended here, many users even have their favorite games in their footers. I haven't done my footer yet.
1. The Interview - very short game (finished), simple script, lots of sex and pretty good graphics despite the developer announcing that he is a newbie. Subjectively, this style of graphics seems more sexy to me, but it is difficult to justify it briefly.
2. 4 Years in Tehran - the game is in its introductory phase and currently seems to be paused. Again, not very advanced (so far) scenario, but very high quality graphics and style of this graphics probably the best for me I have ever met. Very high (even unprecedented) attention to the expression of emotions and the details of the features of the main character's face. Little sex and nudity.
It doesn't mean that I like the whole game more than the game from this thread. Each game has its own better and worse features.
3. Special Request - a very good script, very extensive - a lot of sex. The graphic style is also very attractive. I don't want to justify why - it's best to check it yourself and compare yourself.
I do not think that in any way I slander the game in this thread by presenting the above examples. You just have to play different games in order to be able to understand which styles of graphics you prefer yourself rather than others, even though all of them may be of high quality.
I believe that if different developers could join forces for one game, a really attractive and unique game in the erotic game genre could be created.
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I know it is not so easy to communicate and then collaborate on a joint project.
But a player can always dream
This does not mean that I am complaining about the quality of the graphics in this game.
Building an erotic atmosphere largely depends on a good script, but the whole thing is even more complex because the quality of the graphics is not one-dimensional.
If the patrons of various developers were able to communicate and were able to persuade developers to cooperate, unique masterpieces of erotic art could be created. And you do not need a budget of 100 million uds for this.
I do not agree with the thesis that a 2-person team cannot compete with a production that has a budget of 100 million in any respect.
In terms of erotic sensations, and in terms of the attractiveness of the script, at least a few blackmail games can easily compete with FallOut.
Of course, this will not translate into profitability quickly because the niche of audiences interested in erotic games is smaller than the mainstream that Fallout or other very large productions are aimed at.
In addition, a larger percentage of erotic game recipients play these games for free, as opposed to large-scale game recipients who are under greater pressure to have legal copies of the game.
I downloaded Fallout 4 from a torrent and tried it for 2 hours at most and never came back to this game for over 2 months, so I don't see any reason why I should pay for something completely useless.
Erotic games with a good script and good graphics are the most competitive for such large productions, as long as someone likes to play erotic games and knows where it is easiest to find these games.
In the last 2 months, I have spent at least 50 times as much time (if not 100) playing sex games than playing Fallout 4.
This does not mean, however, that erotic games are easy to develop and make money on it.
Competition in this niche is very fierce and almost everything is available for free with a slight delay after the update is released.
I do not have to play these games on the day of their premiere, so I calmly wait for public releases and compressed versions that I download faster and take up less space.
I try to support developers with comments and reviews. Since I like this game, I also contribute to this thread.
I can quickly give you 3 examples of games (of the type of blackmail), the style of graphics more appealing to me in terms of eroticism (I can also distinguish the artistic value, but it does not necessarily be erotic or porn) than the style of graphics in this game.
The developer won't be offended here, many users even have their favorite games in their footers. I haven't done my footer yet.
1. The Interview - very short game (finished), simple script, lots of sex and pretty good graphics despite the developer announcing that he is a newbie. Subjectively, this style of graphics seems more sexy to me, but it is difficult to justify it briefly.
2. 4 Years in Tehran - the game is in its introductory phase and currently seems to be paused. Again, not very advanced (so far) scenario, but very high quality graphics and style of this graphics probably the best for me I have ever met. Very high (even unprecedented) attention to the expression of emotions and the details of the features of the main character's face. Little sex and nudity.
It doesn't mean that I like the whole game more than the game from this thread. Each game has its own better and worse features.
3. Special Request - a very good script, very extensive - a lot of sex. The graphic style is also very attractive. I don't want to justify why - it's best to check it yourself and compare yourself.
I do not think that in any way I slander the game in this thread by presenting the above examples. You just have to play different games in order to be able to understand which styles of graphics you prefer yourself rather than others, even though all of them may be of high quality.
I believe that if different developers could join forces for one game, a really attractive and unique game in the erotic game genre could be created.
.
I know it is not so easy to communicate and then collaborate on a joint project.
But a player can always dream
This does not mean that I am complaining about the quality of the graphics in this game.
Building an erotic atmosphere largely depends on a good script, but the whole thing is even more complex because the quality of the graphics is not one-dimensional.
If the patrons of various developers were able to communicate and were able to persuade developers to cooperate, unique masterpieces of erotic art could be created. And you do not need a budget of 100 million uds for this.
Ok, thanks for clarifying your perspectives, now I have a better idea of what you were trying to say. And as a guy who's never even played FallOut's 1 through 3 - never mind the 4th - you'll get no arguments from me, VNs and erotic fiction are way better than kids/teen games. I can't even remember the last time I played a 'normal' game!? Wait, probably around the same time I played my first 18+ adult game! haha
I mean, let's face it, once you discover that boobs and games can perform fusion, it kind'a becomes impossible to imagine going back to a world with one but not the other!
It seems that you may have slightly misunderstood a few points from my previous post though, allow me to clarify.
You had requested features to be added to VNs, like Casey's Fall, similar to features which you had seen in games like 'FallOut'. Features of the type which allow individual players to edit/change the appearance of a main protagonist in the game, correct?
Well, I was just pointing out that these kinds of features, as well as countless others are unfortunately not possible, at least not with the current generations of Daz/Renp'y engines, which most inde VNs are made on. It could be slightly more feasible with an engine like Unity but it would still be really complex and take either a fairly large team, with a substantial budget... Or a really, really, really... long time and a substantial budget!
I mean, I'm no expert but I do have a basic understanding of the various tasks involved when making games/VNs. Generally a kinetic VN is much easier to make than a game where any kind of dynamic motion is involved. Even in a kinetic VN though, it would still be extremely hard, because, presuming the dev is using the Daz engine, they would need to save a set - complete with all assets, lighting, models, cameras, camera positions and poses - for each indevidul picture! So let's do the math real quick, if the game has 2000 pictures, that's 2000 sets. Now, think of a game the size of Fashion Business 2, it reached something like 10GB for the 1080p version at one point, before DM moved onto the sequel. Now, could you imagine how big your download would be, if you had to download a full set - complete with all peripherals - for each of the pictures in the game?
Let's put it this way, you would likely need multiple hard drives just for a single game, then you would need to re-render each image from the sets. You could then replace the image file and bob's your uncle but sadly, that's currently the only way to do it. At least as far as I know, until the Daz engineers figure out an easier way to let us re-render a single model, in a pre rendered picture, with the same parameters as before! Kind'a sucks, I know but that's life, right!?
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I do not agree with the thesis that a 2-person team cannot compete with a production that has a budget of 100 million in any respect.
In terms of erotic sensations, and in terms of the attractiveness of the script, at least a few blackmail games can easily compete with FallOut.
Of course, this will not translate into profitability quickly because the niche of audiences interested in erotic games is smaller than the mainstream that Fallout or other very large productions are aimed at.
In addition, a larger percentage of erotic game recipients play these games for free, as opposed to large-scale game recipients who are under greater pressure to have legal copies of the game.
I downloaded Fallout 4 from a torrent and tried it for 2 hours at most and never came back to this game for over 2 months, so I don't see any reason why I should pay for something completely useless.
Erotic games with a good script and good graphics are the most competitive for such large productions, as long as someone likes to play erotic games and knows where it is easiest to find these games.
In the last 2 months, I have spent at least 50 times as much time (if not 100) playing sex games than playing Fallout 4.
This does not mean, however, that erotic games are easy to develop and make money on it.
Competition in this niche is very fierce and almost everything is available for free with a slight delay after the update is released.
I do not have to play these games on the day of their premiere, so I calmly wait for public releases and compressed versions that I download faster and take up less space.
I try to support developers with comments and reviews. Since I like this game, I also contribute to this thread.
I can quickly give you 3 examples of games (of the type of blackmail), the style of graphics more appealing to me in terms of eroticism (I can also distinguish the artistic value, but it does not necessarily be erotic or porn) than the style of graphics in this game.
The developer won't be offended here, many users even have their favorite games in their footers. I haven't done my footer yet.
1. The Interview - very short game (finished), simple script, lots of sex and pretty good graphics despite the developer announcing that he is a newbie. Subjectively, this style of graphics seems more sexy to me, but it is difficult to justify it briefly.
2. 4 Years in Tehran - the game is in its introductory phase and currently seems to be paused. Again, not very advanced (so far) scenario, but very high quality graphics and style of this graphics probably the best for me I have ever met. Very high (even unprecedented) attention to the expression of emotions and the details of the features of the main character's face. Little sex and nudity.
It doesn't mean that I like the whole game more than the game from this thread. Each game has its own better and worse features.
3. Special Request - a very good script, very extensive - a lot of sex. The graphic style is also very attractive. I don't want to justify why - it's best to check it yourself and compare yourself.
I do not think that in any way I slander the game in this thread by presenting the above examples. You just have to play different games in order to be able to understand which styles of graphics you prefer yourself rather than others, even though all of them may be of high quality.
I believe that if different developers could join forces for one game, a really attractive and unique game in the erotic game genre could be created.
.
I know it is not so easy to communicate and then collaborate on a joint project.
But a player can always dream
This does not mean that I am complaining about the quality of the graphics in this game.
Building an erotic atmosphere largely depends on a good script, but the whole thing is even more complex because the quality of the graphics is not one-dimensional.
If the patrons of various developers were able to communicate and were able to persuade developers to cooperate, unique masterpieces of erotic art could be created. And you do not need a budget of 100 million uds for this.
Also, in terms of aesthetic beauty, I'd say Casey measures equally with the models in the list of games you highlighted. I mean, sure she's slightly less curved and full chested - though some may even see this too as a positive! - but she's definitely hot! Besides, it's the devs who have to spend countless hours rendering images of her, so ultimately, if that's the model they decided to go with, it's 'co'z they think she looks attractive that way. I mean, I guess with enough support and if you could get enough of the community to rally behind the idea, you may be able to persuade them into redesigning her, good luck with that one!
Sinse I like 'em in all shapes - of slim sizes!
I'm gonna stay neutral on this one, because, a woman's beauty is bigger than her bust, in more ways than one!
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Oh wow, I didn't get any notifications about these past replies.
Sorry for the delay.
Those 2 renders are not sequential, they are just "the same image" with variations. (I've now edited that post to make this clearer. Sorry for the confusion)
I often do these "variations" with commissions to give it different flavours.
Some other examples from past works:
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In regards to the art style of the game, I did end up leaning towards a somewhat stylized art style. I realize not everyone is a fan of that, but personally it's a style I enjoy quite a bit.
I respect your preferences, but I don't think changing the art style of the game is something reasonable for us to follow.
Some developers use real life images for their games, while others draw hentai... "Casey's Fall" is somewhere in between those two. Thankfully there are content creators and fans for everything in this spectrum of realism.
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I hope this clarifies things.
Sorry for the delay.
VelcroFist explained this, but I want to clarify things a bit further.
Those 2 renders are not sequential, they are just "the same image" with variations. (I've now edited that post to make this clearer. Sorry for the confusion)
I often do these "variations" with commissions to give it different flavours.
Some other examples from past works:
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In regards to the art style of the game, I did end up leaning towards a somewhat stylized art style. I realize not everyone is a fan of that, but personally it's a style I enjoy quite a bit.
I respect your preferences, but I don't think changing the art style of the game is something reasonable for us to follow.
Some developers use real life images for their games, while others draw hentai... "Casey's Fall" is somewhere in between those two. Thankfully there are content creators and fans for everything in this spectrum of realism.
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I hope this clarifies things.
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While yes, I am here for the story, and because of the characters, in this case Casey. Doesn't mean I'm against more sex scenes (as long as Greg isn't involved...). I wouldn't really request them, that's a step to far, but I wouldn't be against them...
I also would like to point out, with your setup in some of your paths, not having sex might be unfitting storywise, I mean, Tara at least in my mind screams that she wants more.
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I think it would do good if the description in the front page has these terms expanded within a bracket.
I've now updated the header post to explain those terms. That's a good idea, thanks!
I certainly see Casey's appearance & figure as inestimable positives. I'm totally fed up with seeing a never-ending horde of stereotyped inflatables. Many of them are downright disproportionate. There's far too many in the current crop of games, so Casey is a refreshing change.
The link doesn't appear to do anything in the latest version 2022-06.
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Thanks BlackMage69. Sakrilas and I have tested it and discovered it wants to open in Edge instead of our default web browsers for some reason. We're trying to figure out why it's behaving that way (if anyone has any clues please let us know). In the meantime,
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.Update: We figured out the problem. It should be fixed in the next release.
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Tara takes her new slave to class.
This was the most upvoted request form the General Patreon Poster Event. (
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"Tara takes her new slave to class. Amelia and Phoebe are horrified (maybe more pretending in Phoebes case), but Cassandra is quite gleeful about it. Naked indents don't get desks or chairs, so she has to kneel meekly next to Tara."
Thank you for everyone that participated!
-- Here's a short story written by VelcroFist --
As Casey went to class and dutifully took her place kneeling at Tara’s side, she stared wistfully at the empty desk and chair that should have been hers. Unfortunately, as an indent that was a luxury she could only dream about now. Even worse than being an indent was becoming a nudist as well, and she was still coming to grips with the fact that this was actually happening to her. The novelty hadn’t worn off for most of her fellow students either. What made things even worse was the leash she was forced to wear attached to a buttplug. Tara never let it leave her grasp, and she would cruelly pull on it whenever Casey straggled. Sometimes she even did it just for her amusement, leaving Casey gasping and clenching with everything she had to stop it from popping out. She knew what the punishment would be if that ever happened. Of course, Cassandra thought it was the funniest thing she had ever seen. Amelia, on the other hand, couldn’t understand why Casey allowed herself to be treated like that. Sure, she was Tara’s indent now and she had to do whatever Tara wanted her to do, but it was almost as if Casey enjoyed it.
“Just let him take your photo, bitch,” Tara sighed. “Remember, your body doesn’t belong to you anymore. You’re mine now and you’ll show yourself off with pride.”
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