Anteron

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What I would like to see is these shitposters develop and make their own games and post them for free on here. Then they will see how it feels to have their hard work shit on by retards that expect everything in life to be to their exact specifications.
I don't get this idiotic idea someone has to be able to make a game to criticize it. Like someone has to be a chef to say a food isn't good, a director say a movie isn't good, etc.
Besides, the problem here is that it's been set aside for a game that's in the "fantasy" genre, which there are already far too many.
 

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I don't get this idiotic idea someone has to be able to make a game to criticize it. Like someone has to be a chef to say a food isn't good, a director say a movie isn't good, etc.
Of course you're right, but there's a big difference between criticising a game and "shitting on" it, which is what Knuckle Dragger was talking about.

Also, to extend your metaphor, if you go to an Indian restaurant and spend the evening complaining about the food because you don't like Indian cuisine, that's unfair. You may well complain to your friends for dragging you to an Indian restaurant, but why should the chef be subjected to your ire when your preferred sushi or burgers were never on the menu?
 
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Game now has the "Abandoned" tag, thats new.

So did you decide to ditch it ionDivvy ?
I guess no recent updates according to the sites rule led to the tag but on patreon dev did say in first week of April the new update will be released
 

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I guess no recent updates according to the sites rule led to the tag but on patreon dev did say in first week of April the new update will be released
I know, i was the one that posted that info here ;)

But its kinda strange that the tag appeared after 15 month of no update right when there is an update only days away (allegedly)
 

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I guess no recent updates according to the sites rule led to the tag but on patreon dev did say in first week of April the new update will be released
Well, it's not like devs ever said that and it didn't happen...
 

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I don't get this idiotic idea someone has to be able to make a game to criticize it. Like someone has to be a chef to say a food isn't good, a director say a movie isn't good, etc.
Besides, the problem here is that it's been set aside for a game that's in the "fantasy" genre, which there are already far too many.
But maybe if all those who complain about slow update will have try to make a game themself, they could understand how indie dev have to struggle.
Why any little thing can totally jeopardize the development of a game.
Why hearing people just whining while they don't even pay for their handwork can be completely demotivating.
And that sometime, you make decisions you think will be good, but turn out bad.
Like we said in French "la critique est aisée, mais l'art est difficile" (it is easy to criticize but hard to act).
 

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But maybe if all those who complain about slow update will have try to make a game themself, they could understand how indie dev have to struggle.
Why any little thing can totally jeopardize the development of a game.
Why hearing people just whining while they don't even pay for their handwork can be completely demotivating.
And that sometime, you make decisions you think will be good, but turn out bad.
Like we said in French "la critique est aisée, mais l'art est difficile" (it is easy to criticize but hard to act).
It's not "slow development" in this case, it was not working on it in order to work on one in the fantasy category (which already has far too many.)
 

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But maybe if all those who complain about slow update will have try to make a game themself, they could understand how indie dev have to struggle.
Why any little thing can totally jeopardize the development of a game.
Why hearing people just whining while they don't even pay for their handwork can be completely demotivating.
And that sometime, you make decisions you think will be good, but turn out bad.
Like we said in French "la critique est aisée, mais l'art est difficile" (it is easy to criticize but hard to act).
"Good morning!"(well, the joke gets lost in translation here, but it should still be halfway getable)
If you would have red the thread, you would know that most critics of Iondivvy are correctly(!) saying that he broke every promise he made concerning Casual Desires! For nearly 1 1/2 years Iondivvy lied as often as he could about the game, only admitting to lies he simply could not weasel out any longer.
Most other CD fans, including me, simply have zero trust in anything Iondivvy has to say and for good reasons. Even after all this time he had for the update, he once again did not release mid-March (as he promised he would for sure release, yeah right) and his end-March/first week of April promise is a bust as well, since it is already sunday afternoon of the first April week and I truly doubt he releases anything in the next couple hours.
That finally the "abandoned" has been slapped on the game is easy to explain. I am rather sure the moderators are also fed up with Iondivvy´s constant lies and obfuscation.
 

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I guess no recent updates according to the sites rule led to the tag but on patreon dev did say in first week of April the new update will be released
As he said many other times. It is correctly well tagged. There are no posts in the patreon page of Casual Desires. Only of Rebel Duet. So, the game is abandoned.
 
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As he said many other times. It is correctly well tagged. There are no posts in the patreon page of Casual Desires. Only of Rebel Duet. So, the game is abandoned.
And dev literally just made a post himself that he will release the update and the tag will be removed . So yeah the f95 site rules led to the game earning the abandoned tag but it isn't 'abandoned' by the dev .
 

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And dev literally just made a post himself that he will release the update and the tag will be removed . So yeah the f95 site rules led to the game earning the abandoned tag but it isn't 'abandoned' by the dev .
You know how to tell when Iondivvy lies? He opens his mouth to speak! For roundabout 1 1/2 years everything he wrote/told about "Casual Desries" turned out to be lies. Just for you to remember, some of his latest "promises": He wrote that by mid-March he would release the long overdue update, no matter what. Did not happen!
By the end(!) of March he told us that end of March, latest first week of April he would release the update for sure. Did not happen!
So pardon me when I put ZERO trust in Iondivvy´s newest "promise", we CD fans have seen nothing but lies from him for more than a year.
 

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You know how to tell when Iondivvy lies? He opens his mouth to speak! For roundabout 1 1/2 years everything he wrote/told about "Casual Desries" turned out to be lies. Just for you to remember, some of his latest "promises": He wrote that by mid-March he would release the long overdue update, no matter what. Did not happen!
By the end(!) of March he told us that end of March, latest first week of April he would release the update for sure. Did not happen!
So pardon me when I put ZERO trust in Iondivvy´s newest "promise", we CD fans have seen nothing but lies from him for more than a year.
Eh I was not asking u to put or not put any trust in the dev , simply stating what he has said till now and why the abandoned tag was added to the game on this site despite him making posts on patreon .
 
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Eh I was not asking u to put or not put any trust in the dev , simply stating what he has said till now and why the abandoned tag was added to the game on this site despite him making posts on patreon .
There's a reason posts on Patreon aren't enough - certain ones would just post pictures or other bullshit to keep the money rolling in without ever doing updates. Also, working on a new game and abandoning the old one...
 

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But maybe if all those who complain about slow update will have try to make a game themself, they could understand how indie dev have to struggle.
Why any little thing can totally jeopardize the development of a game.
Why hearing people just whining while they don't even pay for their handwork can be completely demotivating.
And that sometime, you make decisions you think will be good, but turn out bad.
Like we said in French "la critique est aisée, mais l'art est difficile" (it is easy to criticize but hard to act).
I'm skeptical. At best I think developing their own game might make internet critics a bit less vicious when they critique. Even if the experience somehow managed to grow their heart three sizes, they would still have bones to pick. As other have noted, one of the big issues here is that ionDivvy is spending a lot of time on Rebel Duet. To people who like this game and dislike that one, well, the delay is always going to frustrate them.

Does that make it fair to take their disappointment out on Divvy by insulting him left, right and center? No, obviously not. Plenty of comments here go too far. But that's the nature of fans: it's short for 'fanatics,' not 'even-keeled-dispassionate-advocates.' Complaining about the complaints just ratchets up the heat. And sometimes passionate critiques can sting even if they are as polite as possible simply because the points strike home. IMHO, it's best just to have a thick skin, glean whatever valid criticism you can from a post, and move on. I've never seen any reason to gate criticism by whether the critic is an artist themselves.

Personally, I don't think Divvy has done himself any favors promising to support both games. That's not to say he's lying; I believe he genuinely wants to do right by both games (though he does have a habit of consistently underestimating development times). But it seems clear to me that he's been struggling with Casual Desires for a while now. Maybe that's because he hit a conceptual wall with this story, or because he'd much rather tell an epic fantasy yarn than a slice of life soap opera, or maybe it was problems adapting CD for steam. Whatever the case, something was causing problems and Divvy tried to power through it, which led to lots of missed deadlines and much ill will.

I think it would have been better to suspend CD officially until whatever issues were resolved. There'd still have been plenty of ill will, but there would have been less uncertainty. Still, what's done is done. To be fair to ionDivvy, I think he did eventually get better at deliberately deprioritizing CD and focusing on RD. While I *dearly* wish it were the other way around, I still appreciate knowing where things stand. I'm willing to wait and see how things go now that CD is, hopefully, being prioritized again. Fingers crossed!
 

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I'm skeptical. At best I think developing their own game might make internet critics a bit less vicious when they critique. Even if the experience somehow managed to grow their heart three sizes, they would still have bones to pick. As other have noted, one of the big issues here is that ionDivvy is spending a lot of time on Rebel Duet. To people who like this game and dislike that one, well, the delay is always going to frustrate them.

Does that make it fair to take their disappointment out on Divvy by insulting him left, right and center? No, obviously not. Plenty of comments here go too far. But that's the nature of fans: it's short for 'fanatics,' not 'even-keeled-dispassionate-advocates.' Complaining about the complaints just ratchets up the heat. And sometimes passionate critiques can sting even if they are as polite as possible simply because the points strike home. IMHO, it's best just to have a thick skin, glean whatever valid criticism you can from a post, and move on. I've never seen any reason to gate criticism by whether the critic is an artist themselves.

Personally, I don't think Divvy has done himself any favors promising to support both games. That's not to say he's lying; I believe he genuinely wants to do right by both games (though he does have a habit of consistently underestimating development times). But it seems clear to me that he's been struggling with Casual Desires for a while now. Maybe that's because he hit a conceptual wall with this story, or because he'd much rather tell an epic fantasy yarn than a slice of life soap opera, or maybe it was problems adapting CD for steam. Whatever the case, something was causing problems and Divvy tried to power through it, which led to lots of missed deadlines and much ill will.

I think it would have been better to suspend CD officially until whatever issues were resolved. There'd still have been plenty of ill will, but there would have been less uncertainty. Still, what's done is done. To be fair to ionDivvy, I think he did eventually get better at deliberately deprioritizing CD and focusing on RD. While I *dearly* wish it were the other way around, I still appreciate knowing where things stand. I'm willing to wait and see how things go now that CD is, hopefully, being prioritized again. Fingers crossed!
You expressed what I think.
I don't think IonDivvy lie. I think they made a mistake when trying to develop two games at the same time, but I think they believed the could do it.
I'm not a game developer, but I'm a programmer and I know that anything can cause delays to explode.
 
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