Ren'Py Celebrating Our Differences [Ch. 5] [Kismet Games]

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(This game is full of TRANS GIRLS). You are a soon-to-graduate high school student. Your love of photography grants you an opportunity to help your neighbor, who has decided to transition to female and create her own website. After working together, you realize that you are attracted to her. Over time you slowly submit to your desires. Her continued success will enable you to encounter more trans women and help them in the adult industry. Currently, the NTR involves scenes between trans characters. It is avoidable. (Some scenes will involve the MC "filming" and not participating. In such scenes it is trans solo, or trans on trans: i.e. No other cis dudes will touch your trans ladies. Almost all of the trans on trans scenes are used to introduce new characters for the MC to pursue. Scenes where the MC is involved: the MC will always be in a "top" role.)​

Thread Updated: 2024-02-07
Release Date: 2024-02-06
Developer: Kismet Games
Censored: No
Version: Chapter 5
OS: Windows, Linux, Mac
Language: English
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[Crow Armbrust]

THX

 

[Melmoth99]

Why did you make Chapter 1 and 2 separate games? Why not just make it into 1 game?

 

[Corruption_]

Sad to see MC will only be top

 

[KismetGames]

Why did you make Chapter 1 and 2 separate games? Why not just make it into 1 game?

Kind of learning Ren'Py as I go. It's much easier to work on things in manageable chunks. I thought about doing a combine (and likely will eventually), but then I would have to look at all the old inefficiencies along the way.

 

[KismetGames]

Sad to see MC will only be top

For this game, yeah. 50% for "plot" reasons, and 50% = one of my goals is to try to limit the camera angles so it's less obvious that the MC is a combination of performers. That becomes much more difficult when the roles get reversed. Trying to maintain some verisimilitude for the user. (not sure what I will do when I have to use one that is covered in tattoos).

 

[Kukipett]

That was really nice, i'm not a fan of real porn but the first chapter was really good. But you should put the NTR tag to this because in CH2 when you go to the hotel to film that supposed "other" trans, i felt really bad. This was a huge mistake, as you play Max it's like your girfriend is telling you " i hope you don't mind i have brought some other guy for the blow job"!!!
Well at that moment my Max was like "Ok do your thing then i'm out and never call me back!"
I hope you realize that a lot of people will feel the same especially if there is no warning about NTR. I have nothing against NTR but i like to know where i'm going.

 

[KismetGames]

That was really nice, i'm not a fan of real porn but the first chapter was really good. But you should put the NTR tag to this because in CH2 when you go to the hotel to film that supposed "other" trans, i felt really bad. This was a huge mistake, as you play Max it's like your girfriend is telling you " i hope you don't mind i have brought some other guy for the blow job"!!!
Well at that moment my Max was like "Ok do your thing then i'm out and never call me back!"
I hope you realize that a lot of people will feel the same especially if there is no warning about NTR. I have nothing against NTR but i like to know where i'm going.

Yeah, I didn't know where the NTR line is drawn. If it was a cis girl and a cis girl, would it still be NTR? And... is it really "unfaithful" if you aren't together? I surely don't have the answers, but I'm happy to add the tag (and a warning/explanation in chapter 2). I'll sort it when I upload chapter 3. Thanks for the feedback.

 

[Vasasasa]

My computer complains that chapter 1 has viruses, anyone else who has this problem?
win/linux version

 

[KismetGames]

My computer complains that chapter 1 has viruses, anyone else who has this problem?
win/linux version

Interesting. Does your antivirus have the same issue with chapter 2? Have you ever had problems with other Ren'Py games?

 

[phupdup]

Hopefully you move off to other gurls before you hit content after Bailey's ugly massive tit job.

 

[Remembrance]

(Some scenes will involve the MC "filming" and not participating. In such scenes it is trans solo, or trans on trans. Scenes where the MC is involved: the MC will always be in a "top" role.)

Good job on pre-empting half the questions (asking if mc can be top only, if taking it up the ass can be avoided etc.)
Add clarification if the trans on trans is optional & add ntr/sharing tag/warning.

Yeah, I didn't know where the NTR line is drawn. If it was a cis girl and a cis girl, would it still be NTR? And... is it really "unfaithful" if you aren't together? I surely don't have the answers, but I'm happy to add the tag (and a warning/explanation in chapter 2). I'll sort it when I upload chapter 3. Thanks for the feedback.

Well I dislike lesbian exactly for this reason, when they cross that line. For me personally it's less about gender, cheating is cheating even if with another girl.
Though this is more sharing since there is knowledge & consent on the MC's part.
But treat both the same when talking about tags.
Ntr/sharing is when a girl/LI has scenes with another person. Ppl do give it a bit of leeway when it is considered lesbian, but you will find more & more games clarifying that the lesbian scenes are between members of the harem (so both are MC's girls and/or the harem is treated as a big shared relationship) and/or take place with the MC's consent(so saying no avoids the scene). So maybe sharing with cis girls is losing acceptability too

When you learn more about renpy consider making it optional & giving choices. Like you can choose trans on trans or choose to fuck both yourself. Player choice changing the story is an important part of VNs. Many don't even try kinetic novels.

As for if not in a relationship: don't think about the technicalities of ntr. Ppl don't like ntr as a feeling. Most games have every girl met as a potential LI for the mc. Thus most consider it ntr when any LI- ex, current or potential- has scenes with other men (personally I don't like men or women, but ppl are more harsh on dicks, trans or not)
I've seen many use the definition of ntr to defend, but I feel it's all the same if it feels like ntr, regardless of technicalities.
Like many dislike even if you show non-mc, non-LI characters having sex.
Ppl generally prefer a MC-centric story if they dislike ntr/sharing, so that can be a helpful rule of thumb.

So yeah, if the main girl has sexual scenes with another person, add clarification and/or warning of ntr or sharing.
And yeah, ppl are more sensitive to this issue if the other person has a dick, trans or cis. Even ppl who like/accept trans content have different limits/tastes/preferences regarding trans dick content (hence many are concerned with mc being top only, mc taking it up the ass, whether the trans character fucks other girls in the harem with her dick, etc. with the preferences ranging on both sides of want & dislike)

Just clarify the scene is unavoidable (should be obvious with 'trans on trans' being mentioned in a kinetic novel tbh) and add sharing tag.

Best would be ofc to make the scene avoidable based on choices, but for a learning game you can set it as a future goal if you want want to transition from KN to a VN with choices.
Good Luck

Edit: also most girl on girl scenes serve as prelude to threesomes involving the mc, unlike the scene here(guess: haven't gotten to ch2 yet), so that might play a role. But I think mmf threesomes are also seen as sharing, so Idk how mtt threesome would be seen, if that'd make it sharing or not

Also having the LI being the top role in the scene might make it better, since 'your girl' isn't 'getting fucked'
But that might just be me personally, Idk the general opinion ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

 

[Remembrance]

Currently, the NTR involves scenes between trans characters. It will be made (more) avoidable in future updates.

Played both chapters. You can safely remove ntr tag & warning, there's no ntr in the game.
Ntr involves cheating and/or stealing the mc's girl which doesn't happen here (though bee is iffy)
The scenes takes place with the MC's informed consent & no one tries to steal bailey away from the mc (again, bee is iffy. See below)
So you can change the ntr warning to "unavoidable sharing" (scenes with other ppl with the MC's knowledge & consent) though mind you most ppl treat both tags the same - by running away. But sharing would be more accurate & some subset of ppl might be more accepting of it compared to ntr.
Also add that the trans on trans scenes are professional shoots for porn ditected by the mc & the characters aren't being romantically involved. Porn shooting structure might make it more understandable.

About Bee: My 1st question would be: why add a choice for the 2nd scene but not before the bj?

Bee just feels unlikeable with lines like:
"Bee looks at you over Bailey's shoulder with a {i}DO NOT COCKBLOCK ME{/i} sort of look."
"You can tell that Bee wanted to have Bailey to herself. She keeps pushing you, trying to make you uncomfortable."
Like she's trying to steal bailey away.

Compare to foxxy, who feels a lot more appreciative with "Foxxy puts her hand on your upper arm as she passes. She looks into your eyes for just a moment and bites her lower lip. You give an awkward smile."

Add to the fact that foxxy also gets involved with the MC & seems to be set up to be an important character as one of the MC's girls makes her much better than a random, no-face Bee who wants Bailey to herself & is never seen again.

Remember, MC-centric. By being appreciative of the MC & getting involved with him & being a part of his harem, Foxxy feels much better.
Keep an 'MC 1st' attitude & make the girls like the MC more than they like each other & it shouldn't feel so bad.
Atleast from what I've seen from games with lesbian content between LIs do.

"You can tell that Bailey is unsure, and really would leave if you said you weren't interested. Do you cockblock her and keep Bailey for yourself, or do you want to watch Bailey put in work on Bee's ass?"
This basically says mc & bee are competing over bailey & would be nice if this choice apreared before the bj


So final thoughts: Make the bee scene completely avoidable, including the bj, or just straight up remove Bee from the game if bee isn't going to be a important character with a proper model like Foxxy. I didn't like her, unlike Foxxy who was fine.

Another thing is, please reserve PoV shots for the MC only. Since you are trying to be immersive, keep pov unique to the mc as a distinctive feature. Therefore the pov shot for the bee bj was a problem imo. Do it like the foxxy scene instead with both characters visible & seen from the mc's eye behind the camera. (Yes maybe mc was holding camera beside bee's head. Doesn't matter, still looks like PoV) (Yes it depends on the vids you can find. Just add a criteria when getting vids with 2 models)

Also didn't like how the pictures were automated. I would have liked the freedom to go over the pics at my own pace, clicking through some fast, looking at others for longer. (You may have your reasons, this is just my feedback on the feature)

All in all, his is a really well done game for a newbie's ren'py learning project. Keep it up

 

[KismetGames]

Played both chapters... Keep it up

I definitely appreciate feedback.

Streamlined explanation, if you (or anyone) are interested:

From a media resource standpoint: The 2 "Bee and Bailey" scenes are some of the few early HC Bailey scenes that exist. And, for early Bailey, the BJ scene is pretty good. I would have had it be the MC if Bee wasn't wearing leggings/tights in the video.

From a storytelling standpoint: I wanted a scene that helps the pushes the MC through his anxiety about Bailey becoming a potential sexual partner. (If that makes sense).

Personal thoughts: I don't find Bee Armitage very attractive, so I don't plan to have her return. (And she has limited content). Pretty much any future "sharing" scenes with Bailey (or anyone else) will be between characters that the MC will pursue also.

The future: I've already added skip options in Chapter 3. I will edit chapter 2 and make the Bee (and Foxxy) scenes optional and upload updated versions when I upload chapter 3.

As for the slideshows-- yeah, they aren't my favorite either. But... I can make a slideshow with shutter sounds in minutes without having to resize/resample/adjust the images at all and it's like one line of code in Ren'Py, versus potentially adjusting each image and/or adding a line of code for each one so Ren'Py doesn't stretch it (which doesn't always play nice with copy/paste in Ren'Py). There will be fewer slide shows going forward (and more video clips). The pictures were 50% storytelling mechanic and 50% available media: the majority of early Bailey content is photoshoots.

And finally, Chapter 3 is well underway. Hopefully everyone enjoys it enough that Chapter 2 will be just a (potentially contentious) memory.

 

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Overview:
You are a soon-to-graduate high school student. Your love of photography grants you an opportunity to help your neighbor, who has decided to transition to female and create her own website. After working together, you realize that you are attracted to her. Over time you slowly submit to your desires. Her continued success will enable you to encounter more trans women and help them in the adult industry. Currently, the NTR involves scenes between trans characters. It will be made (more) avoidable in future updates. (Some scenes will involve the MC "filming" and not participating. In such scenes it is trans solo, or trans on trans: i.e. No other cis dudes will touch your trans ladies. Almost all of the trans on trans scenes are used to introduce new characters for the MC to pursue. Scenes where the MC is involved: the MC will always be in a "top" role.)​

Thread Updated: 2023-04-04
Release Date: 2023-04-04
Developer: Kismet Games
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Version: Chapters 1 and 2
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[Remembrance]

From a media resource standpoint: The 2 "Bee and Bailey" scenes are some of the few early HC Bailey scenes that exist. And, for early Bailey, the BJ scene is pretty good. I would have had it be the MC if Bee wasn't wearing leggings/tights in the video.

Haha, I was was actually looking out for stuff like that(inconsistencies) in all the vids, like what the pov character was wearing, his leg hair etc. Nice to see it was already under consideration

From a storytelling standpoint: I wanted a scene that helps the pushes the MC through his anxiety about Bailey becoming a potential sexual partner. (If that makes sense).

No I actually got that. It was well done, starting from the "universe can't stop fucking with you" dialogue to "keep her to yourself"
Problem is the bj is mandatory- why would the mc allow it if he is considering bailey in such a way?
Just add some more content before the bj, move the "bee trying to make you uncomfortable to keep bailey all to herself" into that timeframe & have mc question how he sees bailey & whether he wants to let this qirl with questionable motivations get her way with Bailey - before the bj, so he can act on it.
Also kinda annoying it was Bailey's 1st proper sex scene & it wasn't with the mc. Maybe another way would be to get more scenes between mc & bailey before the bj scene to get them in a 'what are we(relationship wise)?' mindset, with the bee scene being the final trigger instead of the initial one. MC could say no, take her home & offer to compensate her for the missed bj with his services(cock) & they can talk about them, about their 'relationship', about doing shoots with other models & stuff. This will also make the shoot with Foxxy more comfortable if the mc has a proper understanding of how things stand between him & bailey & that this is just a professional shoot.

Personal thoughts: I don't find Bee Armitage very attractive, so I don't plan to have her return. (And she has limited content). Pretty much any future "sharing" scenes with Bailey (or anyone else) will be between characters that the MC will pursue also.

Another thing is, these scenes being a professional shoot might be helpful. Like Foxxy came, did the shoot & went away. All her extra actions were for the mc, from touching his arm to staring at his bulge. She showed no interest in Bailey outside the shoot & can a professional shoot be considered?
Ppl will have differing opinions ofc but atleast some will be more accepting I think.

Ofc you can add other, non-porn events too, shouldn't be too bad if the characters focus on the mc more than each other - like add some dialogues & such to supplement the media (foxxy touching the mc's arm to express interest was great).
Adding more dialogue about the girls looking for mc's approval during the shoots & mc taking a more commanding/controlling role in directing the shoots might also be helpful; like the shoots are to show themselves off to the mc.

The future: I've already added skip options in Chapter 3. I will edit chapter 2 and make the Bee (and Foxxy) scenes optional and upload updated versions when I upload chapter 3.

I probably won't even make use of the options unless it feels iffy like bee, whose main point was to make mc jealous/uncomfortable to push him to accept his attraction to bailey, so stopping that scene & making his intentions towards bailey clear is the right choice after all.

And finally, Chapter 3 is well underway. Hopefully everyone enjoys it enough that Chapter 2 will be just a (potentially contentious) memory.

It's was great for a learning game actually.

Extra:
You asked about cis girls before: "If it was a cis girl and a cis girl, would it still be NTR?"
I think for that it'd be best to consider traditional gender roles & sexual orientation to understand.
Like bee feels like a 'guy', a competitor who could steal bailey away. Her motivation seems to be to get bailey & the photoshoot is just a way to get to it. She has no interest in the mc & sees him as competition. This fits the dynamic of two guys interested in one girl.
Foxxy feels more like a girl: she doesn't flirt with Bailey outside of the professional shoot & seems interested in the mc instead. This fits the dynamic of a girlfriend introducing her friend to her boyfriend.
With gender & sexual orientation a lot more variable nowadays, instead of using it as is, you can take the principles of 'threat', 'competition' & 'interest' to understand the dynamics

 

[styggtuff12]

why are the chapters split apart instead of just being the same? the game was released a week ago and it usually takes years before there's enough content to split it into multiple games/chapters

 

[KismetGames]

Hey fam, new chapter out. F95 doesn't promote to "updated" games if it is within 2 weeks of the last release; so hopefully you checked back before chapter 4...

 

[Melmoth99]

Hey fam, new chapter out. F95 doesn't promote to "updated" games if it is within 2 weeks of the last release; so hopefully you checked back before chapter 4...

Dev
Please compress Chapter 3 its 2.6gig when Chapter 2 was only 750mb. By the way does Chapter 3 have Chapters 1 and 2 in it or Chapter 3 2.6gig by it self?

 

[KismetGames]

Dev
Please compress Chapter 3 its 2.6gig when Chapter 2 was only 750mb. By the way does Chapter 3 have Chapters 1 and 2 in it or Chapter 3 2.6gig by it self?

Chapter 3 is standalone. It has more content than chapters 1 and 2 combined. It has around 150 video clips. I don't think it can be compressed much without significantly dropping the video quality (which is already compromised since it's been converted to webm : the only video that RenPy uses).