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Good point, but I don't think it's such a big problem if Jaye (or any other LI for that matter) is not a virgin. Like, chances of you meeting a girl in real life that's a virgin past the legal or consensual age are slim.

Still for me, no matter what, Jaye is the best girl. :Kappa:
Instead personally it changes, I feel it as moral blackmail. If Jaye has waited five years for us and if Mallory has never been able to get over her intimacy issues, turning back on them is cruel. If instead they were 'normal' situations, the choice would be more free
 

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Instead personally it changes, I feel it as moral blackmail. If Jaye has waited five years for us and if Mallory has never been able to get over her intimacy issues, turning back on them is cruel. If instead they were 'normal' situations, the choice would be more free
Well, what if Mallory never met the MC? Let's say that James and Sarah never passed away and MC never returned? Their past is something that cannot be defined or influenced by the MC.

As for what happens in the story, we at least have choices and in the end you'll have to make a choice. Kentyrr and Stone Fox Studios (Stoya) at least give us that option. If you don't like Jaye, you can still be with Mallory and that's fine and the other way around.

It's like saying that it's cruel rejecting Jill in BaDIK because she's a virgin and saved herself for someone special (a.k.a the MC) and it's morally damaging to reject her.
 
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Well, what if Mallory never met the MC? Let's say that James and Sarah never passed away and MC never returned? Their past is something that cannot be defined or influenced by the MC.

As for what happens in the story, we at least have choices and in the end you'll have to make a choice. Kentyrr and Stone Fox Studios (Stoya) at least give us that option. If you don't like Jaye, you can still be with Mallory and that's fine and the other way around.

It's like saying that it's cruel rejecting Jill in BaDIK because she's a virgin and saved herself for someone special (a.k.a the MC) and it's morally damaging to reject her.
For me it is. I gave examples on this game but of course it also applies to others. If Jaye has such a realistically unbelievable devotion to you, it becomes difficult then to choose freely
 

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For me it is. I gave examples on this game but of course it also applies to others. If Jaye has such a realistically unbelievable devotion to you, it becomes difficult then to choose freely
Jaye's affection for the MC was defined as early as the Prologue though and it's something that's a part of the story (her even going as far as to punch that girl in the throat for speaking ill of the MC). Both Jaye and Mallory are almost complete opposites in personality and it's a nice contrast that the devs came up with.

I agree though, making a choice is difficult, but you have to go with your heart and feel more affectionate towards. 99 times out of 100, I'd probably go with Jaye. I feel she's the better fit and that "special" one for the MC. That's not a knock on Mallory, I've said it many times - if Mallory was a LI in another game, she'd probably be the best LI. Her only fault was that she happened to be in the same game as the Goddess.

It's also the same thing with Triss and Yennefer. Yen probably feels like the right and canon choice, but on most of my saves, I went with Triss. I've felt a stronger connection and more affection to Triss and what she was as a person. Yen is still an amazingly written character, but for me - Triss is simply better.

Besides, do you believe in magic? :Kappa:

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Jaye's affection for the MC was defined as early as the Prologue though and it's something that's a part of the story (her even going as far as to punch that girl in the throat for speaking ill of the MC). Both Jaye and Mallory are almost complete opposites in personality and it's a nice contrast that the devs came up with.

I agree though, making a choice is difficult, but you have to go with your heart and feel more affectionate towards. 99 times out of 100, I'd probably go with Jaye. I feel she's the better fit and that "special" one for the MC. That's not a knock on Mallory, I've said it many times - if Mallory was a LI in another game, she'd probably be the best LI. Her only fault was that she happened to be in the same game as the Goddess.

It's also the same thing with Triss and Yennefer. Yen probably feels like the right and canon choice, but on most of my saves, I went with Triss. I've felt a stronger connection and more affection to Triss and what she was as a person. Yen is still an amazingly written character, but for me - Triss is simply better.

Besides, do you believe in magic? :Kappa:

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Triss is cool and i do like her a lot, but you know that she bewitched Geralt to "force" him into a relationship, yes?
 

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Jaye's affection for the MC was defined as early as the Prologue though and it's something that's a part of the story (her even going as far as to punch that girl in the throat for speaking ill of the MC). Both Jaye and Mallory are almost complete opposites in personality and it's a nice contrast that the devs came up with.

I agree though, making a choice is difficult, but you have to go with your heart and feel more affectionate towards. 99 times out of 100, I'd probably go with Jaye. I feel she's the better fit and that "special" one for the MC. That's not a knock on Mallory, I've said it many times - if Mallory was a LI in another game, she'd probably be the best LI. Her only fault was that she happened to be in the same game as the Goddess.

It's also the same thing with Triss and Yennefer. Yen probably feels like the right and canon choice, but on most of my saves, I went with Triss. I've felt a stronger connection and more affection to Triss and what she was as a person. Yen is still an amazingly written character, but for me - Triss is simply better.

Besides, do you believe in magic? :Kappa:

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Every girlfriend "loved" me, but no one waited virgin 5 years for me
This is a huge sacrifice, quite insane, to which it is impossible to remain indifferent.
 

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Every girlfriend "loved" me, but no one waited virgin 5 years for me
This is a huge sacrifice, quite insane, to which it is impossible to remain indifferent.
Would be ridiculous, indeed.
But it's just porn plot, i haven't played a single AVN where i thought, yes this plot is believable, that could have happened IRL.
 

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Would be ridiculous, indeed.
But it's just porn plot, i haven't played a single AVN where i thought, yes this plot is believable, that could have happened IRL.
But I didn't make it about realism, reality is boring, nobody cares about a realistic story.
But that practically all developers take this comforting route, with a world of virgin or revived LIs from long abstinence, so as not to disturb the sleep of very tall children

In Jaye's case, it was enough if she said nothing, no big story, that was enough (Tara does not change anything)
 

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But I didn't make it about realism, reality is boring, nobody cares about a realistic story.
But that practically all developers take this comforting route, with a world of virgin or revived LIs from long abstinence, so as not to disturb the sleep of very tall children

In Jaye's case, it was enough if she said nothing, no big story, that was enough (Tara does not change anything)
Yes, i agree on that. I believe most of the time only the Mom's in this AVN's are not virgins, because reasons. But yeah, i guess there is either the guys with the deflowering kink or insecure people.

Tara "only" delivers experience and distraction, well yes technically she might have deflowered Jaye, but yeah, that has propably her dildo done long before. Hasn't Alex took her V-card too? i think i remember she said something before they intercoursed the night before he vanished.
 

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Of all the issues people could have had with this game, I'm still amazed you guys are so hung up on the fact that she might still be virgin or not ô_ô
 

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Of all the issues people could have had with this game, I'm still amazed you guys are so hung up on the fact that she might still be virgin or not ô_ô
She shouldn’t be. Nobody (I) likes sex with an inexperienced person.
 
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Of all the issues people could have had with this game, I'm still amazed you guys are so hung up on the fact that she might still be virgin or not ô_ô
People with cuck fetishes get very angry at games that don't pander to them and get upset if every LI hasn't had 50 dicks by the time the story starts.
People can like what they want I guess but I don't know why we need the same tantrum for the umpteenth time in this thread.
 

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Yes, i agree on that. I believe most of the time only the Mom's in this AVN's are not virgins, because reasons. But yeah, i guess there is either the guys with the deflowering kink or insecure people.

Tara "only" delivers experience and distraction, well yes technically she might have deflowered Jaye, but yeah, that has propably her dildo done long before. Hasn't Alex took her V-card too? i think i remember she said something before they intercoursed the night before he vanished.
As a lot of moms are originally landladies i don't know....
 

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People with cuck fetishes get very angry at games that don't pander to them and get upset if every LI hasn't had 50 dicks by the time the story starts.
People can like what they want I guess but I don't know why we need the same tantrum for the umpteenth time in this thread.
This is a very loose conversation, nobody's throwing tantrums anywhere.

Nobody? Hm... I think it's the best sex. Exploration is so much better than the known.
There is a huge difference in exploration and inexperience. I can be experienced and explore the likings and kinks of my (new) partner, that is fun, definetly, but being inexperienced and have no clue how to act, well...
 

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Every girlfriend "loved" me, but no one waited virgin 5 years for me
This is a huge sacrifice, quite insane, to which it is impossible to remain indifferent.
It's not like Jaye waited all that time thinking "mc is gonna return anyday now".
If you maxed her points in the prologue you left such an impression on her that subconsciously she started comparing other guys to you, and that made her lose any interest in them. Besides in all that time she had Tara to relieve her of all sexual frustration anyway.

You raise a valid general problem common to most AVNs, just on the wrong game cause here both girls have a reasonable back-story to justify it and are still very young to boot (what are they, 23 now?).
 

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It's not like Jaye waited all that time thinking "mc is gonna return anyday now".
If you maxed her points in the prologue you left such an impression on her that subconsciously she started comparing other guys to you, and that made her lose any interest in them. Besides in all that time she had Tara to relieve her of all sexual frustration anyway.

You raise a valid general problem common to most AVNs, just on the wrong game cause here both girls have a reasonable back-story to justify it and are still very young to boot (what are they, 23 now?).
The distinction about Jaye seems weak to me. If no one was up to MC's standards, it doesn't seem that far off to say that in fact she waited for him. A beautiful 18-19 year old girl.. What she did or didn't do with Tara is irrelevant.

Mallory's situation is more extreme, but it was enough to move on from the fact that she had had bad experiences and not that she too was completely stuck until she randomly met him, upset by a kiss or a caress

The motivation is always the same, then it can also be a solution that pleases, and certainly avoids problems for the developers. But there isn't much in the way of adulting (everyone discovers porn well before the age.... )
 

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Every girlfriend "loved" me, but no one waited virgin 5 years for me
This is a huge sacrifice, quite insane, to which it is impossible to remain indifferent.
So if you had an option to pick Jaye, Tara, Jill and Jeane, you'd pick Jill every time? :unsure:

No offense but I find that train of thought ridiculous.

Of all the issues people could have had with this game, I'm still amazed you guys are so hung up on the fact that she might still be virgin or not ô_ô
It's just a topic of discussion. I don't have any issues with it (nor do I think felicemastronzo and WICKEDp4th have issues with it), I've said it many times before - I don't care if Jaye is a virgin or not. I'd still pick her every time.

People with cuck fetishes get very angry at games that don't pander to them and get upset if every LI hasn't had 50 dicks by the time the story starts.
People can like what they want I guess but I don't know why we need the same tantrum for the umpteenth time in this thread.
No one's throwing a tantrum. It's just a conversation about the LI's and their past. I don't see how you got that impression.

It's not like Jaye waited all that time thinking "mc is gonna return anyday now".
If you maxed her points in the prologue you left such an impression on her that subconsciously she started comparing other guys to you, and that made her lose any interest in them. Besides in all that time she had Tara to relieve her of all sexual frustration anyway.

You raise a valid general problem common to most AVNs, just on the wrong game cause here both girls have a reasonable back-story to justify it and are still very young to boot (what are they, 23 now?).
It's an issue with all AVN's anyway. The MC has to be the best at everything, the most liked guy and the one who's always right and whenever he loses/makes mistakes it isn't of his own accord, but due to circumstances that aren't in his control.

I think Chasing Sunsets does well to avoid that trope. We've already seen Alex make mistakes and cause things to go wrong, due to his actions. We've also seen him be vulnerable and be overwhelmed with guilt because of his actions. I think it's good writing in terms of personality and characterization.

The distinction about Jaye seems weak to me. If no one was up to MC's standards, it doesn't seem that far off to say that in fact she waited for him. A beautiful 18-19 year old girl.. What she did or didn't do with Tara is irrelevant.
It seems that Jaye already knew at the end of the Prologue who she loved and who she wanted to be with. It's the circumstances and the misunderstanding of the subsequent events that followed that lead to the breakdown of the relationship with the MC.

Jaye was presented as fiery, impulsive, stubborn, independent and incredibly headstrong. She doesn't like it when people stick their noses in her business (as was shown with the girl that got punched in the throat and the MC at her graduation party).

If she's virgin or not at this point is irrelevant, the point is that she wanted to save herself for the MC. She loved him more than anyone else at that point, though she might not have realized it. Perhaps she discovered those feelings after MC ran away and the feelings overwhelmed her.

Mallory on the other point as personality and presentation is heavily contrasting to Jaye. Some people perceive Mallory as a pity case and that's wrong IMO. Mallory, while reserved and shy, is still capable of doing incredibly daring actions. We learn that she had bad experiences before (that she's a Sarah clone in an entirely different matter). Mallory though, IMO, does suffer from not being as clearly defined as Jaye for example. I feel, personally, that I understand Jaye better, while at times I do scratch my head at things Mallory says or does.

Let me state this for the record, I don't think Mallory is a badly written character at all. I guess that the devs wanted to leave that feeling of mystique and make us wonder about her more.

So you could say that with Jaye, you practically play with open cards while with Mallory, not all cards are still revealed and there's still to come.
 
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