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felicemastronzo

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I'm not a fan of Lisa, but that is a lovely render.



That hardly precludes her from having a scene in this game. It may wind up causing them headaches down the line, but this dev team doesn't seem shy away from giving future LIs a past history.
It is not impossible but remains improbable. A temptation that you already know will lead to nothing is not a real temptation
 

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I doubt that Lisa and Tara having past presence in this game will cause real problems for the next title. I mean, its one games MC and the sexy stuff is backstory character building or for some special circumstance fun.
Im more concerned about the amount of girls shown in the next game. How to balance that amount of content. Unless its more of a starting line of potential love interests and side prospects combined.
 

felicemastronzo

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I doubt that Lisa and Tara having past presence in this game will cause real problems for the next title. I mean, its one games MC and the sexy stuff is backstory character building or for some special circumstance fun.
Im more concerned about the amount of girls shown in the next game. How to balance that amount of content. Unless its more of a starting line of potential love interests and side prospects combined.
in this game it was a "problem" that Jaye might not be a virgin (and because of that create one of the most cringe moments in the entire story)... it certainly would not have been an advantage if in a previous game she had been interested in someone else.

but then really that's not even the issue: once it is established that they are going to be protagonists in a new story, everything they accumulate in this one would only be an obstacle to the freedom to tell this new story, and they already have very few constraints on them.
 
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in this game it was a "problem" that Jaye might not be a virgin (and because of that create one of the most pringe moments in the entire story)... it certainly would not have been an advantage if in a previous game she had been interested in someone else.

but then really that's not even the issue: once it is established that they are going to be protagonists in a new story, everything they accumulate in this one would only be an obstacle to the freedom to tell this new story, and they already have very few constraints on them.
I thought they said that the other game was more if an alternative reality setting, so nothing that happens in CS would matter at all.
 

felicemastronzo

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I thought they said that the other game was more if an alternative reality setting, so nothing that happens in CS would matter at all.
I had not read this news

so in the new game there will be two characters with the same model as Tara and Lisa, who may be called Tara and Lisa, but are definitely not Tara and Lisa.
 

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It is not impossible but remains improbable. A temptation that you already know will lead to nothing is not a real temptation
Sure, but there's no reason to pigeonhole Lisa into being a mere temptation. It's entirely possible to see her as side-girl the MC can have some fun with when he's not on either LI's path; the fact she can also serve as a temptation to MC who *are* on a path is a bonus. Now it's true that any action with Lisa will ultimately be a one-night stand, but so what? That's the lot of a side-girl. No sense acting surprised about it now.


in this game it was a "problem" that Jaye might not be a virgin (and because of that create one of the most pringe moments in the entire story)... it certainly would not have been an advantage if in a previous game she had been interested in someone else.

but then really that's not even the issue: once it is established that they are going to be protagonists in a new story, everything they accumulate in this one would only be an obstacle to the freedom to tell this new story, and they already have very few constraints on them.
True, people complained about Jaye's lack of virginity, but so far the devs have stuck to their guns about it. IMHO, that's they should; I find the obsession with LIs being virgins borderline creepy. Other people are free to disagree, of course, but that may ultimately mean the game isn't for them. You can't please everyone all the time, and trying to do so is a slippery slope to mediocrity.

Assuming the devs hold the same philosophy in their next game, I don't think Lisa's time as a side-girl in this game will necessarily limit their freedom. Why would she need to get into details on this particular one-night stand? Even in Chasing Sunsets, Lisa already implies she's learned to "cultivate opportunities" where she can. The implications of that seem clear to me yet we never go into details, and it doesn't seem to damaged her popularity. The same blueprint should work in the next game... as long as the devs are comfortable with Lisa having a nebulous history once she's promoted to LI. Hopefully they will be, but we'll see how it goes.

Personally, I think Tara is a much bigger issue because the events of this game are FAR more central to her story. But even that can be worked around as long as the devs are willing to cut bait by the end of CS and establish unambiguously that Tara is over her earlier infatuation with the MC. Of course, there's no guarantee they'll catch lightning in a bottle with Tara again, but that's the risk they need to take to pull this off.
 

felicemastronzo

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Sure, but there's no reason to pigeonhole Lisa into being a mere temptation. It's entirely possible to see her as side-girl the MC can have some fun with when he's not on either LI's path; the fact she can also serve as a temptation to MC who *are* on a path is a bonus. Now it's true that any action with Lisa will ultimately be a one-night stand, but so what? That's the lot of a side-girl. No sense acting surprised about it now.



True, people complained about Jaye's lack of virginity, but so far the devs have stuck to their guns about it. IMHO, that's they should; I find the obsession with LIs being virgins borderline creepy. Other people are free to disagree, of course, but that may ultimately mean the game isn't for them. You can't please everyone all the time, and trying to do so is a slippery slope to mediocrity.

Assuming the devs hold the same philosophy in their next game, I don't think Lisa's time as a side-girl in this game will necessarily limit their freedom. Why would she need to get into details on this particular one-night stand? Even in Chasing Sunsets, Lisa already implies she's learned to "cultivate opportunities" where she can. The implications of that seem clear to me yet we never go into details, and it doesn't seem to damaged her popularity. The same blueprint should work in the next game... as long as the devs are comfortable with Lisa having a nebulous history once she's promoted to LI. Hopefully they will be, but we'll see how it goes.

Personally, I think Tara is a much bigger issue because the events of this game are FAR more central to her story. But even that can be worked around as long as the devs are willing to cut bait by the end of CS and establish unambiguously that Tara is over her earlier infatuation with the MC. Of course, there's no guarantee they'll catch lightning in a bottle with Tara again, but that's the risk they need to take to pull this off.
Lisa certainly represents a minor problem, although this fact that she is one who takes advantage of opportunities is definitely not a good presentation for an LI...

about Tara, they have in fact already eliminated her from the story by making her from a central character in the first part to a virtual presence in the story between Jaye and MC

me what I don't understand is what's in it for them. this recycling of characters involves only risk and virtually no gain (since their prior history is to be forgotten or erased).
 
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BigBlueDude

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in this game it was a "problem" that Jaye might not be a virgin (and because of that create one of the most pringe moments in the entire story)... it certainly would not have been an advantage if in a previous game she had been interested in someone else.

but then really that's not even the issue: once it is established that they are going to be protagonists in a new story, everything they accumulate in this one would only be an obstacle to the freedom to tell this new story, and they already have very few constraints on them.
That was when people thought it was McDouche right? If people have a problem with an MC in another story they have played as have an issue with that MC they they are mentally disturbed. More than usual I mean.
 

felicemastronzo

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That was when people thought it was McDouche right? If people have a problem with an MC in another story they have played as have an issue with that MC they they are mentally disturbed. More than usual I mean.
it's full of crazy people, let alone in a porn game forum.

However, I still don't understand the benefits of the operation--I use a character you already know, however, you have to forget what you've already seen of her
 

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I thought they said that the other game was more if an alternative reality setting, so nothing that happens in CS would matter at all.
I don't recall that either. Can't say I care for it - feels like trying to have your cake and eat it too if you ask me.

I suppose if that was their way of saying they won't track a whole bunch of variables from Chasing Sunsets, fair enough. I think it's reasonable to either establish a canonical ending for use in sequels, or to intentionally handwave any of the fine details as long as the main strokes are preserved. But if they want to be able to rewrite Tara's backstory willy nilly to fit the new plot, that's a step too far. At that point it would be better to retire Tara and start over from scratch with a new character.


Lisa certainly represents a minor problem, although this fact that she is one who takes advantage of opportunities is definitely not a good presentation for an LI...

about Tara, they have in fact already eliminated her from the story by making her from a central character in the first part to a virtual presence in the story between Jaye and MC

me what I don't understand is what's in it for them. this recycling of characters involves only risk and virtually no gain (since their prior history is to be forgotten or erased).
What's in it for them is capitalizing on the obvious audience interest in Tara. They weren't willing to rewrite Chasing Sunsets to make Tara an main LI (and good on them for sticking to their vision), so bringing Tara back in a new story was the only real chance to take a second bite at the apple.

I agree it's high risk, but it's also high reward if they pull it off. Big if, though.
 

Ilhares

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Demanding LI being pure virgins and never having expressed interest in any guy ever is men telling on themselves. They want their LI to be in the same state that they player are in.
Not me. I've been around the block enough to know that I want a woman who knows what the hell she's doing and what she wants.

I might not be qualified to give it to her, but at least she won't lay there like a board and fail to communicate.
 

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Man, I must be working with half a deck here. I do not understand how putting Lisa and Tara in a new visual novel could possibly be high risk. They are just characters in a visual novel. Like actors, they play different parts in different stories. And that any person could possibly be upset that a character in a visual novel is not a virgin is disturbing. People love the Lisa and Tara characters. It makes sense to put them in a new story. Even if the devs changed their names for a new story, they are just characters!
 

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Man, I must be working with half a deck here. I do not understand how putting Lisa and Tara in a new visual novel could possibly be high risk. They are just characters in a visual novel. Like actors, they play different parts in different stories. And that any person could possibly be upset that a character in a visual novel is not a virgin is disturbing. People love the Lisa and Tara characters. It makes sense to put them in a new story. Even if the devs changed their names for a new story, they are just characters!
People will argue that they cheat on the MC of Chasing Sunsets...guaranteed.
I once had this conversation on a another VN with a fellow member.
 

felicemastronzo

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they may be naïve, stupid, insecure, and retarded. but at the end of the merry-go-round it is we who play their games and not the other way around, so it is they who are being proved right. :cautious:

because if it is ridiculous to pretend that LI is a virgin and only interested in MC, how ridiculous is Jaye that for 5 years, but it could have been more, she waits for the man (by the way her foster brother) with whom she has never had any relationship but only a crush really, and who once back could also safely dump her???
 
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