pitao

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I will give you one more heads up while using this mod. Yes I works fantastic! But what I found out because I always use URM is that all what URM has collected in the game is gone. No big deal but please be aware.
Yeah it is not a problem, I just use URM to understand what some choices lead to, rarely I change stats. Can change a variable just so I don't have to backtrack to an old save to change a little thing that will save me time and explore a new path with another save.

That is why I prefer author good multi mods for a game like Sancho usually does, not for the cheating itself but for the information that allow me to save time and easily make my own best strategy if I need more than 1 save to explore my desired content spending the least time on a game, ofc also for the neat other features that improve gameplay like textbox and readability (that URM also have now) and gallery options after I'm done with the game.
 

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Yeah I know that is not my problem, my problem is this stupid game but a nonsensical throuple path in the solo jaye path, instead of the path it should of been in if they were going to do a throuple path. So if I start dating a girl Tomorrow, should I just hope that she will offer me a throuple option in couple weeks with her friend, cause apparently thats is how it works, cut off mallory, no more sex, then she will definitely still want you and all of a sudden jaye will beocme ok with sharing. STUPID DECISIONS!!!!!!
Talking about reality here?
You won't also find 99% of your mom(replica) out there also. There are other hundreds of logic too but let's not waste time arguing. I don't see any problem giving an option to try triangle. If one likes reality so much he/she shouldn't read adult VN.
 

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Thanks for this. First of all, I just want to be clear that I agree it can definitely be achieved without the mod. But as I mentioned before, to get there without the mod, it's an accumulation of our choices as per the requirements that augustus mentioned. So if people didn't use the mod but got offered the polyamory ending, then it's a result of their choices throughout the game.

You mentioned that you "accidentally" got that, and there might be other people in the same boat. But my question to you (and those in similar position), is it really an accident? The reason why I asked this is because of the said requirements being high love score for both Jaye and Mallory, as well as telling Mallory that you wish things could be different. To me, if the goal is to be with Jaye, there is no reason for either of those requirements to be fulfilled by the MC.
It's accidental in the sense that I used the one save I have that met the pre-1.0 requirements, and then proceeded to make the 2 choices in this release that were necessary first. Just because that was the one I ended my last replay on. It happened to be the path I'm the least interested in. I'm all in on the side-girls in this AVN, as Mal and Jaye just don't do it for me.

I'm still the one making the choice to accept the poly relationship or not. Nothing about that was accidental.

While I can appreciate that you might not intend to go for polyamory ending (and therefore "accidental"), IMO this is the beauty of this game where choices actually matter. You did say you wish things were different with Mallory (clearly implying that you wanted more though you didn't act on it). You did keep high love score with Mallory (an accumulation of your choices throughout the game up to that point) so she is still interested in MC despite MC being in a relationship with Jaye. Based on these choices, it seems that the MC did want to have polyamory relationship if possible, and that's what the game gave you. This is the result of your choices.
It's funny, my motivation was completely different than actually wanting things to be different. It was something I would've said out of compassion. Similarly that was the reason I decided to hit the "Phone a friend" option, that was a fuck this absolute cunt-waffle to hell and back. Granted I didn't expect to see Amanda there, as she wasn't really necessary (it was just a reference).

None of those choices were born out of an interest in a poly or open relationship. I tend to play most/all paths in AVNs when the AVN is interesting enough. I try to put myself into the main characters driving seat. Which leads me to monogamy as a default. I only play the Open/harem paths to see if and what the shit show will be.

This is not a knock on you or others btw. This is more of a conversation on a broader context where I think a lot of players do not expect that their choices can matter in an intricate way like this where there is no polyamory path but there is a polyamory ending. This is very different than most other games where often times paths are very obviously marked. As I mentioned on my other comment, this is a positive thing for me though I can understand that others might feel differently.
I really love it when those choices matter in AVNs, but I can't appreciate it when the AVN breaks and distorts it's own internal logic to force it to happen. In this case the choices make little to no sense with the characters we have. Not unless there's a long road between the previous release and this one.

It breaks the characters and what their choices would be based on the previous release. To name an obvious comparison, this is like GoT S8 where characters make nonsensical decisions based on their characterisation up to that point.

I hope people who are upset at the ending would look back in a few days time, think about it more, understand why it is the way it is, and able to appreciate the beauty of the game a bit more.
I cannot, I appreciated the beauty up till this point though. This will 100% remain a "fuck up by the Author, because they wanted to move on to the next thing". Or perhaps it was a 'need'. In which case I don't blame the author for making that choice, it doesn't absolve them and it does make their game much worse than it would've been otherwise. This game was never about the sex scenes for me, as the implied incestuous nature of the story prevents arousal. It was however interesting enough that I had grown fond of it.

Just for reference, most games on here score below a 3/5 for me. This game went from a 4.25 to a 3.5 with this release. When it could've gone up if the story and the characters were given their proper due.

Edit: Separately, I also want to add that my main goal is to correct the false narrative that is somewhat floating around here where they said you'd get the polyamory ending if you're on solo path. This is factually not true. Choosing to be monogamous will result in monogamous ending.
I've since seen those replies and you're right. It's not like you actually get forced into the poly path. There are some strict requirements to be fulfilled.
 

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That's why such mods are generally shit. They leads on the players to make the "right" decisions. In the end players are only chosing the "best" choice and ends up confused learning that hunting for the love points high score and all the scenes isn't the best way to play a game. Walkthrough mods are just making players to play it kinetic.
Unless I'm mis-remembering, the walkthrough is practically included in the game. You get the + or - amount of love/trust points after making a choice.

In general, always try a clean play through first. Before you start cheating or modding. You don't want to rob yourself of a potential great experience by having everything spelled out for you.
 

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Yeah it is not a problem, I just use URM to understand what some choices lead to, rarely I change stats. Can change a variable just so I don't have to backtrack to an old save to change a little thing that will save me time and explore a new path with another save.

That is why I prefer author good multi mods for a game like Sancho usually does, not for the cheating itself but for the information that allow me to save time and easily make my own best strategy if I need more than 1 save to explore my desired content spending the least time on a game, ofc also for the neat other features that improve gameplay like textbox and readability (that URM also have now) and gallery options after I'm done with the game.
Here the same. Only sorry about Sancho. He was the best. Hope he will return on the scene. Can you imagine playing BAD all over?
 
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The game is oddly silent for me. Music tracks barely ever play. Main menu music is there tho. Is that intended or my game busted somehow?
 

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The game is oddly silent for me. Music tracks barely ever play. Main menu music is there tho. Is that intended or my game busted somehow?

dont know if you have an error, but it is indeed the case that music is not always running. Hm... maybe roughly 50% of the scenes dont have music, but some do have background sounds going on when there is no music, or both at the same time. but a lot of scenes dont have any soudn at all..

So if you think its about half the time quiet, it is what it is... if you have the feeling its way more where sound is missing, something is off.
 
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From the dev team some 30 minutes ago...posted on Steam board and similar post in Discord:

Upcoming 1.0a Patch
In addition to some bug fixes, the 1.0a patch will add a new scene.

Based on feedback, it's clear that once the player sets on one destructive path to his relationships in Chapter 6, in spite of the foreshadowing he is never given the opportunity to course-correct or make things right.

This seems overly-punitive, and as such there will be some choices available to the player at the beginning of Chapter 9 that were not there on launch day.

These choices will not add endings, or make arrangements acceptable to love interests that were not palatable before, they will simply give the player an opportunity to make decisions on his own behalf before they are made for him.

We expect to have this patch ready within 48 hours.
This relates specifically to the open relationship path...
 

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From the dev team some 30 minutes ago...posted on Steam board and similar post in Discord:



This relates specifically to the open relationship path...
so what your saying is...... it was a bug lol
im taking any W to name the nonsense of 1route equals 2. lol
 
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From the dev team some 30 minutes ago...posted on Steam board and similar post in Discord:



This relates specifically to the open relationship path...
There was already a 23MB patch on Steam earlier, but I imagine this was something else. Though I can't see any patch notes.

This was one of my gripes. I hope the correction is that you can tell Mal you want to commit before you jump out of the heli. If you haven't been sleeping around. Or something along those lines. Really should have had that opportunity a bit earlier.
 

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There was already a 23MB patch on Steam earlier, but I imagine this was something else. Though I can't see any patch notes.

This was one of my gripes. I hope the correction is that you can tell Mal you want to commit before you jump out of the heli. If you haven't been sleeping around. Or something along those lines. Really should have had that opportunity a bit earlier.
Yeah the earlier patch update (not just Steam, all platforms including Patreon too) was an updated scripts.rpa which addressed a few bugs (typos, branching...). This newer update is a bit more significant...
As I understand it the new scene will take place after the concert...therefore before the heli jump.
 

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so what your saying is...... it was a bug lol
im taking any W to name the nonsense of 1route equals 2. lol
This isn't a bug. They realised it wasn't popular or they realised they were punishing the player too harshly. It was intended behaviour however.

I'm sceptical about the latter, as they also labelled 'open' or 'exploring' destructive options. Something they shouldn't de facto be.

Normal relationships start that way all the time. You don't want to label it yet, you want to keep exploring without committing etc. It's only shitty behaviour if you keep pretending a relationship isn't getting more serious when it is. When you've passed it's official, we just haven't said it yet stage.
 

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so what your saying is...... it was a bug lol
im taking any W to name the nonsense of 1route equals 2. lol
This isn't a bug. They realised it wasn't popular or they realised they were punishing the player too harshly. It was intended behaviour however.

I'm sceptical about the latter, as they also labelled 'open' or 'exploring' destructive options. Something they shouldn't de facto be.

Normal relationships start that way all the time. You don't want to label it yet, you want to keep exploring without committing etc. It's only shitty behaviour if you keep pretending a relationship isn't getting more serious when it is. When you've passed it's official, we just haven't said it yet stage.
Yeah thats not a bug imo, that's an oversight, it happens, devs are human.....or so they claim.
 
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very let down by the conclusion of the story , a lot of the threads that were still hanging on by the end of the last chapter , got resolve in minutes or got resolve out of screen . (frustrating very frustrating)

#Mc returning home : that should've been one of the most emotional scenes in the avn ( chapter 8 should've ended with this scene) the whole arc on this story started the moment Mc left home and should've ended with Mc returning home , this could've been the right time for Mc and Jaye to really mourne their parents .
just imagine Mc crying because the last time he was on his parents room they were there sleeping on their bed and now Mc is watching their empty bed , while Jaye is crying hugging the Mc as strongly as she can becuase in that moment she realized the same .
this scene doesn't need any dialogue , to be impactful and emotional.

#Jaye /Tara /Mc : reunion got resolve out of screen (throuple that made sense) , Tara was into Jaye and the Mc and she was sexually involve with both of them , that was a scene that should've been in this update.

#Peanut and her Mom: talking about her being cured should've been in the update .

#Mallory /Mc/Peanut : (throuple that made sense) talking about how thing will be from now on , now that the 3 of them are together because that was a new experience for both Mallory and Peanut .

#the cabin scene should've been longer to finish stablishing the characters and their relationships or to set up the Jaye/Mallory throuple . (easily that cabin scene should've been at least a week of them sharing more intimate stories and growing their friendship).

for some reason this chapter lacks any kind of emotional beat (with the exception of the dog scene) , the chapter felt mundane and empty .

this are my ramblings after finishing this Avn.
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I agree with most of what you said, and you helped clarify some of my own thoughts. The MC returning home should have been huge, and nothing was done with it. The reunion with Tara should have been huge. Even if the devs didn't make her a love interest or have a possible trouple with her, she was a huge part of the story, and there should have been a pay off and resolution. Whether Amanda was involved with Mallory and the MC had almost no impact on the story. There should have been scenes that addressed that situation if it existed.
Thanks for this, I just tested it out.

I loaded up my throuple playthrough from my chapter 5 save and chose to be commited to Jaye.
I tabbed through all the chapters to the end, thinking that getting 80 love with Mal might be an issue, but no! it was fine, I had 90 love with Mal, yay!!!
Unfortunately I only had 93 love with Jaye DOH!!!

I will need to play from an earlier save, or even just start from the beginning again lol!
I had exactly the same problem. I ended having to go back almost to the beginning and changing the two times I said I was interested in both, during the topless sunbathing scene and before shots at the bar, to focusing on Jaye.
people don’t understand this joke?!? The thing is that I choose the options that the WT mod shows in episodes 1 and 2, both girls get max points as they should, but after 2 episodes and until the end of this version of the game, both girls always lack points.. I choose the options that are required but these bitch glasses are always missing.. WHAT THE HELL? why so? and in some cases it is not possible to select all options. ... what should be done so that both girls always have max points? Is this possible? Yes, and here’s the joke: you get points in episodes 1 and 2 at the max, but for some reason they don’t give you the achievement, and it’s strange, if it’s wrong that Mellisa and Jay have the max, as it should, but they don’t give me the achievement. how so?
I had two saves at the end of chapter 8. One with Jaye at max love and trust, and one with Mallory at max love and trust. It was impossible with either of those to have the chosen girl have max points at the end of chapter 9. Ironically, I did end up with Mallory exceeding max points on the polyamory route due to the massive boost she gets when you agree to it.
Speaking of cameos, it would be interesting if someone can piece together a single comprehensive chronology of all the games involved.

The only 2 things I'm sure of is that Artemis appears to be happening earlier based on the single fact that a fully skinned and functional Artemis hasn't yet appeared in that game; while LoF is happening roughly in parallel as Jaye was about to go to Tonalu when she met Lexi.

And I can't wait for Peanutbooter to cameo in Artemis.
Anna from To Be A King was made a cameo in this game. Jaye, Mallory, and George made cameos in Single Again.
It's accidental in the sense that I used the one save I have that met the pre-1.0 requirements, and then proceeded to make the 2 choices in this release that were necessary first. Just because that was the one I ended my last replay on. It happened to be the path I'm the least interested in. I'm all in on the side-girls in this AVN, as Mal and Jaye just don't do it for me.

I'm still the one making the choice to accept the poly relationship or not. Nothing about that was accidental.



It's funny, my motivation was completely different than actually wanting things to be different. It was something I would've said out of compassion. Similarly that was the reason I decided to hit the "Phone a friend" option, that was a fuck this absolute cunt-waffle to hell and back. Granted I didn't expect to see Amanda there, as she wasn't really necessary (it was just a reference).

None of those choices were born out of an interest in a poly or open relationship. I tend to play most/all paths in AVNs when the AVN is interesting enough. I try to put myself into the main characters driving seat. Which leads me to monogamy as a default. I only play the Open/harem paths to see if and what the shit show will be.



I really love it when those choices matter in AVNs, but I can't appreciate it when the AVN breaks and distorts it's own internal logic to force it to happen. In this case the choices make little to no sense with the characters we have. Not unless there's a long road between the previous release and this one.

It breaks the characters and what their choices would be based on the previous release. To name an obvious comparison, this is like GoT S8 where characters make nonsensical decisions based on their characterisation up to that point.



I cannot, I appreciated the beauty up till this point though. This will 100% remain a "fuck up by the Author, because they wanted to move on to the next thing". Or perhaps it was a 'need'. In which case I don't blame the author for making that choice, it doesn't absolve them and it does make their game much worse than it would've been otherwise. This game was never about the sex scenes for me, as the implied incestuous nature of the story prevents arousal. It was however interesting enough that I had grown fond of it.

Just for reference, most games on here score below a 3/5 for me. This game went from a 4.25 to a 3.5 with this release. When it could've gone up if the story and the characters were given their proper due.



I've since seen those replies and you're right. It's not like you actually get forced into the poly path. There are some strict requirements to be fulfilled.
My first ending was dying on the boat to the assassin. Why? Because I didn't train with Tanaka. Why? I didn't want to cheat on the other girls.

As I mentioned, the last two chapters felt rushed. The threat just escalated with the attack. The characters just learned the true extent of the threat and that they were being targeted directly (we as players knew much more than the characters did due to the various scenes away from them). And everything was resolved in chapter 8. Not a single decision you make in chapter 9 impacts the threat. There are two virtually identical outcomes with minor variation in text. Far different from the different paths you could take earlier in the game. The trust stat is almost worthless in the last half of the game. You'll get penalized trust points for cheating, but trust points are never used to determine any outcomes. If you sleep with Lisa while in a relationship with Jaye, she'll resign. If you try for a committed relationship with both Jaye and Mallory, you get a bad end. Other than that, there aren't any consequences for cheating. A lot of side characters were sort of forgotten. It really does feel like the devs just decided they were done with it and rushed to the end. Hopefully, the epilogues will help, but it did hurt it. This game went, in my opinion, from being a good game to just above average.

It also didn't help that Mallory and Jaye were the main love interests, with Jaye being the primary. Don't get me wrong. I liked Jaye, but I liked Mallory better. And I liked Lisa as much as both of them, and she felt like she deserved an ending. I liked Bianca a little less. And Tara was such a big part of the story that, relationship or not, sex or not, she needed a few scenes towards the end. And Amanda needed specific scenes if she was part of the relationship with Mallory. And I wanted to know more about what was going on with Erika and her family.

Actually, I think I just realized part of why I feel this game became disappointing. Just like it seemed like the devs wanted do something complicated and grand with the routes and stats early and gave up, it feels like the devs didn't know what to do once the characters were in relationships. Jaye and Mallory were more interesting before the MC got into a relationship, open or committed, than afterwards. Variant scenes mostly vanished. A couple of sex scenes. It's like they didn't know what to do at that point and just wanted to wrap it up. The game feels like it got smaller and simpler as it progressed. I may be entirely wrong, but it just feels that way to me.
so what your saying is...... it was a bug lol
im taking any W to name the nonsense of 1route equals 2. lol
My guess it that you will have an option if in an open relationship with one or both girls to commit to one before you get set on the alone path.
 
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