VN Ren'Py Cheerleaders [v0.1.1] [Lounatick]

[Lounatick]

Why was the thread promoted in the last updates? The new update hasn't been leaked

For each new update I add the previous one here. Today we have a small update for the v0.1 while the v0.2 is out for subs.
For the next month we will have the update for the v0.2 here while the v0.3 will be released for subs too etc...

 

[Yukino]

I have a question: do you think being kind leads to being submissive?

I'm wondering if I should change the kindness value to submissiveness or add a submissiveness value alongside it.
I’d prefer to keep things simple but also realistic. For example, when Elena asks Christelle to stop pushing Anna, or when she is understanding about Anna not wanting to change her clothes in front of the others, these actions are currently categorized as Kindness. Would it make sense for these situations to also increase Elena’s submissiveness?

You can be a kind mistress or master or also a very bitchy slave/sub, so i don't think kindness equals submissive.

 

[Power Broker]

I have a question: do you think being kind leads to being submissive?

I'm wondering if I should change the kindness value to submissiveness or add a submissiveness value alongside it.
I’d prefer to keep things simple but also realistic. For example, when Elena asks Christelle to stop pushing Anna, or when she is understanding about Anna not wanting to change her clothes in front of the others, these actions are currently categorized as Kindness. Would it make sense for these situations to also increase Elena’s submissiveness?

Being kind and being submissive are not the same, and even within these traits, there are different "flavors".

The first question you should ask when introducing new variables is what they should accomplish and if they support your story. Oftentimes, developers make the mistake of introducing personality variables because they like it and want to give the player a choice, but then they have to develop story lines that they themselves do not like or that do not fit in the story, which leads to bad results. This should be avoided.

So for example, if you imagine on of the girls being "kind" it doesn't make sense to have a kindness variable for her, because she will always be kind.
However, if you want to develop two versions of Elena, one dominant, one submissive, it does make sense to introduce a dominance / submissive variable. Of course, you could also imagine Elena being submissive by default and having the choice about what kind of submissiveness (bratty, eager, reluctant, non-con etc).

So your variables shouldn't determine your story, your story should determine the variables. What's the story you want to tell, what are the branches and variations, and based on that, what variables are useful to determine the storyline?

Examples:

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Another topic, you asked somewhere else what we expect in a story with cheerleaders, so that's also something I wanted to answer:

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[xert13]

I was referring to the 2000 movie “Bring it On.” Yikes, that was 24 years ago. Anyhow, that was immediately what I thought of when I saw this VN come out. If unfamiliar, you may want to check it out. There’s a competition, new head cheerleader struggles leading, boyfriend cheats on her, there are rival cheerleading teams etc. Ripe with avenues to explore in a saucy VN.

Oh yes, I was fond of her when I was younger too!
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Eliza Dushku was in the first movie.

 

[Eliza12]

Finally a game for me.

 

[Ssato243]

can we play pure lesbian

 

[Lounatick]

Being kind and being submissive are not the same, and even within these traits, there are different "flavors".

The first question you should ask when introducing new variables is what they should accomplish and if they support your story. Oftentimes, developers make the mistake of introducing personality variables because they like it and want to give the player a choice, but then they have to develop story lines that they themselves do not like or that do not fit in the story, which leads to bad results. This should be avoided.

So for example, if you imagine on of the girls being "kind" it doesn't make sense to have a kindness variable for her, because she will always be kind.
However, if you want to develop two versions of Elena, one dominant, one submissive, it does make sense to introduce a dominance / submissive variable. Of course, you could also imagine Elena being submissive by default and having the choice about what kind of submissiveness (bratty, eager, reluctant, non-con etc).

So your variables shouldn't determine your story, your story should determine the variables. What's the story you want to tell, what are the branches and variations, and based on that, what variables are useful to determine the storyline?

Examples:

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Another topic, you asked somewhere else what we expect in a story with cheerleaders, so that's also something I wanted to answer:

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There is a bunch of good ideas, thanks for your feedback. I like especially the idea of the "become a slut" training and the little brother getting some pussies instead of their big bro. I will definitely take inspiration in these!

 

[Lounatick]

can we play pure lesbian

No. There will be some lesbian scenes but no pure lesbian.

 

[FroKe88]

Playing a bitchy and dominant Elena sounds fun.

But I've had enough of female MCs, who are just getting corrupted and other peoples plaything, without any own character.

 

[Lounatick]

Playing a bitchy and dominant Elena sounds fun.

But I've had enough of female MCs, who are just getting corrupted and other peoples plaything, without any own character.

Depending on your choices with Elena, she will either succumb to corruption or become the one to dominate and corrupt others. Her strength of character will evolve based on the situations and the decisions you make...

 

[Birdnman993]

Normally I almost never test games at such an early stage of development, but the visuals looked so good that I had to give it a try. I really liked Elena's attitude and personality, she's strict but not conceited, she seems to have her head on straight instead of in the clouds like other cheerleader captains who think they're too good for their own good, in short she's not an idiot with an inflated ego.

After Elena's part, the game goes downhill for me, because who cares? All these random people coming out of nowhere without much context? Emma and Amy will definitely be annoying characters, I'll try to guess and speculate that Emma will join the cheerleaders in the future, I hope Elena gives her and her mother a firm hand.

I have a question: do you think being kind leads to being submissive?

I'm wondering if I should change the kindness value to submissiveness or add a submissiveness value alongside it.
I’d prefer to keep things simple but also realistic. For example, when Elena asks Christelle to stop pushing Anna, or when she is understanding about Anna not wanting to change her clothes in front of the others, these actions are currently categorized as Kindness. Would it make sense for these situations to also increase Elena’s submissiveness?

I don't think letting Christelle sexually harass Anna is a submissive thing to do, from my perspective I'm letting her be corrupted because Elena allowed it, in a way she's using her as her puppet to do her dirty work to get Anna to come out of her shell, so in my opinion allowing it doesn't equate to submission but to corruption.

Of course you are the Dev and you have the last word.

 

[kcoope89]

looks promising, hope dev sticks with this