Children in adult games.

[Barabash]

Hi everyone

I would like to raise an issue that worried me recently, from the title You probably already know what I mean, but to be specific: recently I decided to try some highly rated, unfinished but pretty advanced in development games, overall I was pretty satisfied and even decided to support some but I came across two that disturbed me slightly.

First one is

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- quite nice, let's You have a lot of fun, simple, but it's not about pros and cons, let's cut to the case. There's one scene with mothers and their children on the playground playing hide'n'seek, when You found them, children goes to get some ice cream and moms are giving MC's bj on a bench. Aight, cool, but in the end, when mommas are completely covered in cum and still sucking cock children gets back and ask what's up. The entire conversation isn't very bright, but one sentence stuck in my mind: "Looks like mom has something to lick too." - or something really similiar. My reaction on the entire situation was... hm... I don't even know how to properly describe it. I was bit shocked let's say, luckilly none of the kids didn't wanna try what's mommy licking, because I would seriously need to hug a toilet.

The second game in which I saw something like that is

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- another quite nice game, story driven, but not the point. There's a scene when MC's mother gets knocked out and undressed in the pool and 3 children are examining her body, on one of cg's You can even see them touching her and inserting fingers into her pussy, while MC is educating them of woman's body. Well... I seriously don't know what to say... What the fuck? Hell no?

The worst thing in both cases is that they're both part of the story and You have completely no choice of getting rid of the children and if You want to complete the game, You just have get through them.

All right, if You got to this point, You must be running out of patience, sorry, so, completely to the point:

What, in the name of fuck, are children doing in erotic scenes? I can completely understand their presence in the game so they can add some authenticy, or get involved in some funny conversations, but why would someone want to watch children in any kind of participation in the actual lewd scenes. Come on! I consider myself really tolerant and I don't really care what sexual preferences does someone else have, but watching kids in that kind of situations I would call sick. Disgusting actually.
Now, You may say that I'm overexaggerating, not really that much happened in both cases, but that is exactly why something should be said about it to nip it in the bud. The adult games industry is form of an art that is still being shaped by every member of it's community and every single one of us has a possibility to push it into right direction. Let's recall the beginnings of incest games - they were called bold, now no one's actually suprised that You can fuck Your mother/father, sisther/brother, aunt/uncle, cousin and whoever else. I'm afraid if someone won't step up and say something in few years this situation may slip out of our hands.

Well, to summarize, I'm completely against of any children involvement in sexual or even more erotic scenes in adult games. I was really wondering what others may say about this, maybe give me some different views on this subject.

If You, somehow, read entireity, thank You very much for Your attention and good day to You

Regards, Barry.

 

[hameleona]

I have a question for you. Have you played Dating my Daughter? If yes, did you have fun? Did you bang the best friend? Yes? Congrats, you just enjoyed a game with children in it and probably fucked one of them. Early teens to be more precise - there is no way that game works if any of the girls are above 16. 14 is more like it, tho it creates another set of problems. Do you honestly think everybody is 18 in the games here, especially the games where the MC is somehow just out of school and somehow has an 18 year old little sister that is acting like she is at least 3-4 years younger?

Adult games have a very strong Ephebophilia and Hebephilia vibes from the start. Add to that, that many developers come from places, where the age of consent is way lower than the anglosphere (15 and 16 being quite predominant in europe dropping down to 14 in many places) and you also have a cultural clash. And this is without even touching the Japanese games. Loli stuff usually comes from that place.

I personally don't care. I'd never touch a child, but I would also never rape someone, and probably 3 out of 5 sexual encounters in the most popular games here are rape by one form or another. While I would have a hard time attaching some high-note to the games you mentioned (especially Corruption) I am a staunch supporter of "Let an artist do whatever they like". Corruption turns in to mother-mother-child-child orgy... honestly, I'd be interested in what reaction will it invoke in me. Considering the shit I've done in that game already... I don't think I'll feel any different.

A game with children will not turn someone in to a pedophile. Just as Thief won't make you in to a burglar, Call of Duty won't make you in to a solder and so on, and so on. Artists wish they had the cultural sway different types of moral guardians try to attach to them. Art reflects culture, it doesn't influence it.

So... was anybody hurt? No? Good. Let it be. Otherwise we would have to remove 95% of the games here on some "moral" ground or another. And when a bunch of pixels manage to offend you... grab a beer or a soda and move on. Not every game is for everyone.

 

[xj47]

hmm
I feel like there are two aspects to this: The personal reaction you feel to something and whether that something is morally wrong. I totally understand feeling disgusted by this sort of thing, but I don't see how it is worse than some other fetishes like bestiality and guro.

Like, idk, it just feels weird to draw a line like that when 99% of porn seems to be about morally abhorrent behavior. Scenes with children are wrong because of moral reasons, but all that rape is fine because...?

(To be clear though, porn that was created with actual children is abhorrent. I'm only talking about purely digital stuff here)

 

[DarthSeduction]

The worst thing in both cases is that they're both part of the story and You have completely no choice of getting rid of the children and if You want to complete the game, You just have get through them.

I'll give you that for Waifu Academy, but not for Corruption. Those mothers are so obviously side characters it isn't even funny. I don't even know if you get to hear their names.

What, in the name of fuck, are children doing in erotic scenes?

You consider this scene erotic?

The second game in which I saw something like that is

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- another quite nice game, story driven, but not the point. There's a scene when MC's mother gets knocked out and undressed in the pool and 3 children are examining her body, on one of cg's You can even see them touching her and inserting fingers into her pussy, while MC is educating them of woman's body. Well... I seriously don't know what to say... What the fuck? Hell no?

The intent was a humiliation. Not for you to wank. I mean, if you have fantasies of being a little boy and experimenting maybe, but really, there wasn't all that much erotic about that scene.

Now, You may say that I'm overexaggerating, not really that much happened in both cases, but that is exactly why something should be said about it to nip it in the bud.

Nip what? Dude, we are way past that point. These scenes you're complaining about aren't anything at all when it comes to fictional children involved in sexual scenes in games, and other media. In the US, as a point of fact, as long as they aren't representing real people, its technically even legal, or at the very least, it's illegal to make it illegal, as an attempt to do so was struck down on free speech grounds.

As has been said above, we are talking about fiction and games in particular. Just as you're not going on a rampage killing people like you do in GTA, no one who isn't already a danger is going to play Corruption and think about fucking real children. And of course, the two games you mentioned, look at them seriously for a second. Corruption is a game where you literally drug every woman in the city until they become your slaves. Waifu Academy you're literally playing a villain. Hell, in Waifu Academy, I'd consider the little reporter girl to very likely, based on her childish appearance and behavior, be underage, yet you rape her, have a dog rape her, and let her get gang raped before assuming the role of her hero and fucking her in the midst of pet play. Seriously, if you're gonna moralize, be consistent.

 

[Domiek]

I'm with you, I felt weird about both those scenes that you described. Overall I'd like to avoid seeing kids in adult games the same way I'd rather not see one in a porno even if they're literally doing nothing, just their presence alone is a big turn off for me.

However this is an adult site, and a lot of fetishes(artistic vision?) aren't even remotely close to being morally correct in any real life situation. It's ok to feel weirded out by seeing this stuff just like many users here on this forum freak out when seeing NTR. As long as no one is actually being hurt or victimized, I say let everyone just do their own thing.

 

[Xorgroth]

Hmm, this almost feels like the reaction I have after I nut. It's hot until after you nut then it's a realization that what you're watching is complete filth. Long as there's no actual child sexual interactions, I think it's mostly ok. I mean if there's a milf in the scene then that would also mean she has children right? It's nice to think that all of the kids in these games are 18+ but like hameleona mentioned, there's different countries with different age of consent laws.

 

[Avaron1974]

I avoid games like that with kids in. I don't mind kids being in games as long as they aren't involved in sex. I'm not one of those "won't somebody think of the children" types but I do think sex involving children, even the fantasy of it in games, is disturbing.

People constantly bring up rape being used in games a defense too except rape fantasy is a safe fetish that takes place in the world and is done without anyone being harmed with all parties consenting. Rape as a fetish is popular among women and men.

I don't like loli/shota stuff and I usually stick people I see into that on ignore. Makes reading forums fun when it looks like people are talking to themselves. There are just certain people I have no interest in ever talking to and anyone that enjoys looking at depictions of children having sex are pretty high up that list. I don't usually like putting people on ignore, it feels rude most of the time but in this instance I never feel like anything of value was lost by ignoring them.

Nothing else bothers me except shit protagonists in games but that's a personal issue, most of the time i'm a tolerant kinda gal but that's my line.

There are obviously other things I don't like, i'm pretty vanilla when all is said and done, but loli/shota is where my cut off point is.

 

[DarthSeduction]

I never feel like anything of value was lost by ignoring them.

No one is so one dimensional that you lose nothing by ignoring them. Whether or not someone likes any sort of content doesn't define them.

I mean, what if every dev of lesbian games was revealed to be in support of loli/shota? Would you just give up games because they find some fiction appealing?

And it's not like there isn't also play for people who like young girls. The whole pigtails and lollipop thing that you often see, guys that are into babytalk, and even things like diaper play exist. There are definitely healthy ways to explore the kink that don't involve rape.

Furthermore, there's no healthy way to enjoy Vore, Gigantism, Furry, Bestiality, or Guro either, 3 of those are pure fantasy, as they're not even possible, the last two are and I'd say Guro is way worse than loli/shota.

 

[User_920791]

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In the US, as a point of fact, as long as they aren't representing real people, its technically even legal, or at the very least, it's illegal to make it illegal, as an attempt to do so was struck down on free speech grounds.

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In US law, fictional child pornography is only allowed in a non-obscene context (Miller test).

 

[DarthSeduction]

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In US law, fictional child pornography is only allowed in a non-obscene context (Miller test).

Obsscenity law is vague and applied on a case by case basis. It would seem that they're more prone to go after realistic looking characters than they are more cartoonish, at least according to what I've read.

 

[desmosome]

90% of the stuff on this site is morally repugnant. Just remember its fiction and you are golden.

 

[Barabash]

As I said before, I was looking for a different views and put on some discussion about it. I completely support liberty of an art and I'm not also a saint to judge anyone, hey lads and gals, I'm still with You all in here. It's just... this kind of content completely puts me off, sorry can't help it. I'd rather see artists puts their creativity into other things than this. Ehh... I don't know, maybe I'm too sensitive...

To answer some of You:

@hameleona No, I did not play DmD as I'm not really into being a daddy. Though there's a lot of positive reviews on this game so I may actually give it a try some day. For now I keep struggle to do it.
I'll grab that beer and drink to Your health

@DarthSeduction Well, I see Your point, but You probably didn't see mine entirely. I wasn't trying to moralize, even if it may sound like it, sorry, I'm only presenting my concerns.
And these scenes are kind of erotic aren't they?

Well, thank You all for sharing with me, it's pretty reasurring

 

[desmosome]

You as an individual, have every right to feel repulsed by loli stuff. I'm sure lots of people are with you on that. Its best to just treat it like any other fetish though for consistency. If you don't like it, don't play it sort of deal. Fictional depictions cannot hurt anybody. It's not really any worse than a number of other very disturbing fetishes, and your hardline stance could in fact be caused by "think of the children..!"

 

[Barabash]

I do not play those kind of games as I'm not into it, just these 2 caught me by surprise, because it was rather unexpected.
Please, don't give me that "Think of the children!" meme tag, that's completely not the issue.

 

[DarthSeduction]

And these scenes are kind of erotic aren't they?

In Waifu Academy? Only if you get off to watching children play with a defenseless woman's genitals while she's unconscious. As I said, that whole scene is about the vengeance of it.

As to the Corruption scene, yeah, it's erotic, but the kids aren't involved. Personally, having an exhibitionism kink, I can't agree with you simple because getting caught, in and of itself, is hot, doesn't matter who does it, but that's a separate issue.

No, I did not play DmD as I'm not really into being a daddy. Though there's a lot of positive reviews on this game so I may actually give it a try some day. For now I keep struggle to do it.

Don't bother, that game is well spoken for because it came out before there were any truly well made games to speak of. Babysitter and Parental Love follow the exact same format and are each 10x better because they have competent writers and the game isn't designed around a sex=reward system. DmD is inconsitent, with supposedly 18 daughter swapping between being naive as those children at the park in Corruption, and somewhere around middle school age. I don't mind the hebe-/ephebophilia in games, but that particular one didn't do a good job.

I do not play those kind of games as I'm not into it, just these 2 caught me by surprise, because it was rather unexpected.
Please, don't give me that "Think of the children!" meme tag, that's completely not the issue.

The following quote, in particular, is why you're getting the "think of the children" meme.

Now, You may say that I'm overexaggerating, not really that much happened in both cases, but that is exactly why something should be said about it to nip it in the bud. The adult games industry is form of an art that is still being shaped by every member of it's community and every single one of us has a possibility to push it into right direction. Let's recall the beginnings of incest games - they were called bold, now no one's actually suprised that You can fuck Your mother/father, sisther/brother, aunt/uncle, cousin and whoever else. I'm afraid if someone won't step up and say something in few years this situation may slip out of our hands.

I think its important to understand. We don't think that you're doing this in a sense of thinking a kid is going to pick up this game and not understand it's a fantasy. We think you're already failing to understand it's nothing more than a fantasy. And sure, you may not like this particular fantasy, that's fine. I don't like scat, vomit, guro, vore, non-con(there are exceptions), NTRS(cuckoldry), or any game where the male mc is a masochist. But I'm not about to suggest that we should keep any of those games from being made, or that such kinks are gonna take over the internet.

Incest, as a fetish, has been growing since the birth of the internet, at least. I know that my earliest encounters with it were in the form of manga and Jab comix. I also watched anime like Onegai Sister, Air Gear (in which she's not actually his sister, but still) as well as at least one or two anime where the main love interest was like, a cousin or something. It really exploded after GoT normalized it, but even then, as has been said before, I think it's naive to think that artists have that kind of influence. GoT normalized it, but if we weren't into it before they did it never would have exploded the way it did.

In the west, loli/shota isn't as widespread. I don't think there's any real fear that it ever will be. Sure, there are gonna be a few people who are into it and considering that those of us who are creating content are probably among the more depraved members of the community, some of us are gonna scratch that itch, but its never gonna be the mainstream thing. It will never be the next incest.

 

[anne O'nymous]

What, in the name of fuck, are children doing in erotic scenes? I can completely understand their presence in the game so they can add some authenticy, or get involved in some funny conversations, but why would someone want to watch children in any kind of participation in the actual lewd scenes.

You know, I'm more or less shocked by what you say. I play this two games, I saw these two scenes. But at no time the idea to see them as children participating to lewd scenes crossed my mind. It's the same, by example, with the photographs from David Hamilton. I found most of them beautiful, but at no time it trigger an effective erotic reaction on me. They are photographs of "untouchable" girls.
Sadly he didn't see them as untouchable, but it's another subject.
Hell, I even did worse than playing these games or watching photographs from Hamilton. I saw my daughter naked, I even touched her pussy more than once... And not a single time it crossed my mind that this can be something erotic or lewd. I was just a father taking care of his young daughter. Even the few times when I add to spread her labia, it was everything you want except something erotic or lewd. And even now that she's almost 18 years old, if I have to show her pussy again, don't know, by example because she's badly cut on the inner tight and don't have panty at this time, this while I must do something to stop the bleeding before going to the hospital, at no time it would be something erotic, sexual or lewd. Same if, opening a door, I found her masturbating or doing worse with her boyfriend.


You are responsible of the way you look at the world, as well as the way you react to what you see.
Take the scene in Corruption. It show nothing more than a situation crossed by many children in the world when they open the door of their parents' bedroom at the wrong time. At no time, the children were participating to the scene, whatever how lewd it was. And if you are shocked by the, "looks like mom has something to lick too." line, what is your reaction when you understand that the dog from "Courage the Cowardly Dog" works for a phone porn company ? What is your reaction when... There's so many possible example ; the 90's and early 00's show played on Cartoon Network have so many lewd references in them.
The two girls don't understand what they see. So, please, don't rape their innocence by implying that they are participating to a lewd scene they just witnessed ; don't give to their words a meaning that they don't have.
For Waifu Academy, it's something else. Here, the boys are raping the woman, so they are effectively participating. But it's a lewd scene only from your point of view as adult. For them it's something innocent, they play with her like they would have played with a dog or a cat ; hell, how many kids have put their fingers in dog/cat's asshole ! If I remember correctly, the dialog even make it clear that they don't see a link between what they are doing/seeing and the reaction of their own body. So, you are the one who put the "sexual" in this scene.

Now, are these scenes needed, do they have their place on an adult game, it's something else. But at no time they are children participating to a lewd action. If one day you have the misfortune to effectively saw a child participating to a lewd action, you'll not just feel the need to hug a toilet ; trust me on this, you don't want to know.

 

[vir_cotto]

This shit... Again...

 

[oldmasterxd]

This shit... Again...

normies...

 

[megaplayboy10k]

Prepubescent children anywhere in a fap game are pretty much always going to be problematic, even when they are uninvolved in scenes depicting sexual content. Early to mid adolescent/pubescent children are only marginally less problematic. People can remember what puberty was like, with sexual curiosity and the development of "strange" impulses and obsessions. The desire and capability emerges a few years before the intellectual ability to understand it, and many years before the real emotional maturity to handle sexual relationships.
The adolescent MC coming to terms with forbidden desires and grandiose sexual ambitions is pretty much the dominant theme in about a third of all games. Not because people love staring at a naked teenaged boy, but because it hearkens back to a time when sex was this new, exciting, even forbidden thing, and when our desires and fantasies far outstripped our ability to fulfill them. Many of the fantasy premises in these games resemble fantasies I had as an adolescent. I find them highly erotic, yet the thought of having sex with an underage girl IRL is highly repellent to me. The same way a mind control fantasy is arousing but doing something like that in real life would essentially be committing sexual assault.
Corruption is too cute by half with the park scenes, because the underage girls act about 2-3 years younger than their appearance would indicate (they look like early adolescents(11-13) while acting like 7 or 8 year olds). I am glad the dev didn't take things further.

 

[vir_cotto]

Prepubescent children anywhere in a fap game are pretty much always going to be problematic, even when they are uninvolved in scenes depicting sexual content. Early to mid adolescent/pubescent children are only marginally less problematic. People can remember what puberty was like, with sexual curiosity and the development of "strange" impulses and obsessions. The desire and capability emerges a few years before the intellectual ability to understand it, and many years before the real emotional maturity to handle sexual relationships.
The adolescent MC coming to terms with forbidden desires and grandiose sexual ambitions is pretty much the dominant theme in about a third of all games. Not because people love staring at a naked teenaged boy, but because it hearkens back to a time when sex was this new, exciting, even forbidden thing, and when our desires and fantasies far outstripped our ability to fulfill them. Many of the fantasy premises in these games resemble fantasies I had as an adolescent. I find them highly erotic, yet the thought of having sex with an underage girl IRL is highly repellent to me. The same way a mind control fantasy is arousing but doing something like that in real life would essentially be committing sexual assault.
Corruption is too cute by half with the park scenes, because the underage girls act about 2-3 years younger than their appearance would indicate (they look like early adolescents(11-13) while acting like 7 or 8 year olds). I am glad the dev didn't take things further.

Absolutely untrue. I would point to

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, great game BTW. Without kid in the picture, the whole backstory would be kind of thin. Moreso, according to your logic, we should remove kids from any movie with possible sex or nude scene - doesn't matter he/she isn't involved?!

Also, I see you're like many others absolutely comfortable with shota, but going all frenzy about loli. I absolutely despise such hypocrisy. I don't have any particular kink - I would play almost anything with a good story-writing, but hypocrisy infuriates me.