Children in adult games.

[gamersglory]

Absolutely untrue. I would point to

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, great game BTW. Without kid in the picture, the whole backstory would be kind of thin. Moreso, according to your logic, we should remove kids from any movie with possible sex or nude scene - doesn't matter he/she isn't involved?!

Also, I see you're like many others absolutely comfortable with shota, but going all frenzy about loli. I absolutely despise such hypocrisy. I don't have any particular kink - I would play almost anything with a good story-writing, but hypocrisy infuriates me.

I will have to agree with you if the kid is non-sexualised, Not in any porn scenes. But serve the larger story as a character it's fine. If you go by US law though Drawings and CG are not considered Lawd under federal law and being Lawd is one of the first requirements for something to be legally Porn. States may vary.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

Absolutely untrue. I would point to

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, great game BTW. Without kid in the picture, the whole backstory would be kind of thin. Moreso, according to your logic, we should remove kids from any movie with possible sex or nude scene - doesn't matter he/she isn't involved?!

Also, I see you're like many others absolutely comfortable with shota, but going all frenzy about loli. I absolutely despise such hypocrisy. I don't have any particular kink - I would play almost anything with a good story-writing, but hypocrisy infuriates me.

If the lolis or shotas are prepubescent that's pretty much always a problem.
You can have ppb children in a game, so long as their proximity to the sexual content is relatively remote, and so long as they themselves are not sexualized.
IIRC the original loli, Lolita of the novel, was 12 or 13 years old. I think when you get below middle school age with either gender, you are creeping towards a problem area. There are a handful of games with MCs who look like they are in 4th or 5th grade. The only saving grace is that they are not portrayed in semi-realistic 3d cg, but typically 2d imagery.
Double standards can also be a matter of perceived agency. Male players can imagine a male MC, even a fairly young one, having agency. But, yes, if the MC is a middle aged father figure, seducing a young teenage girl, particularly the MC's daughter or niece, may feel awkward, because the perception is that the young girl has less agency in that situation. I'd probably feel similarly about playing a mother seducing her 13 year old son.

 

[Ataios]

Personally I'd not touch any shota or loli game with a 3 meter pole and asbestos gloves. I don't think children that appear in any sex scenes are acceptable, though I think children can appear as side characters in adult games to add to the drama of the story. E.g. would a woman leave her husband for her lesbian girl friend even though she would also lose her children in the process. In BDSM themed game, a couple with children might also run into a lot of trouble, a couple without children will never face.

Especially when it comes to incest games, I think a lot of them have too young looking characters, eventhough they are not officially tagged as shota or loli. As I don't play any dad-daughter games, I have little experience here, but when it comes to mom-son games I find it extremely annoying when the sons are almost always smaller than their mothers.

 

[smnb]

I'm afraid if someone won't step up and say something in few years this situation may slip out of our hands.

If your perception is that it needs to be stopped while there's still time, before it becomes widely accepted (and it will bring the end of the world or whatever), then good news for you, you don't need to worry about that at all. Whole world (almost) is moving very strongly towards making anything like this absolute taboo and completely illegal. Some find it crazy to not distinguish between real people and virtual characters, but nobody is going to fight against that in public, because it's suicide.

It's just that internet is still relatively free and uncontrolled, any law lags ten years behing it, and ability to enforce it another ten years. So you can find some "questionable" stuff even in public places like this forum, but it doesn't mean anything, it's just temporary, before saviours of virtual characters catch up.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

Personally I'd not touch any shota or loli game with a 3 meter pole and asbestos gloves. I don't think children that appear in any sex scenes are acceptable, though I think children can appear as side characters in adult games to add to the drama of the story. E.g. would a woman leave her husband for her lesbian girl friend even though she would also lose her children in the process. In BDSM themed game, a couple with children might also run into a lot of trouble, a couple without children will never face.

Especially when it comes to incest games, I think a lot of them have too young looking characters, eventhough they are not officially tagged as shota or loli. As I don't play any dad-daughter games, I have little experience here, but when it comes to mom-son games I find it extremely annoying when the sons are almost always smaller than their mothers.

It makes them seem more middle-school to junior high school age(11 to 14). Generally 15 year old boys should at least have "caught up" to their mom in height, and 18 year olds should be taller unless the father was smaller than the mother.

 

[Ataios]

It makes them seem more middle-school to junior high school age(11 to 14). Generally 15 year old boys should at least have "caught up" to their mom in height, and 18 year olds should be taller unless the father was smaller than the mother.

Same thoughts here. I think many games of this genre have rather childlike protagonists, even though they say "all characters are over 18". Personally I think developers could take a look at the protagonists of "regular" games here. Characters with looks like e.g. Duke Nukem would make much better protagonists for this genre than some school boys.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

I remember reading something somewhere to the effect that "there's a part of us that's always 14 years old." Perhaps that's part of the appeal of the younger protagonists in these games. That awkward age where you are halfway between child and adult. Little impulse control, more impulses than ever. A reach far beyond their grasp. So games that provide some retrospective wish fulfillment are naturally popular. On the other hand, to analyze fun is to kill it. ;p

 

[Journey95]

To each their own but for me if the character looks too young it's just not very attractive. I had this problem in Parental Love where one of the daughters was clearly a kid and just not hot at all..at least there was the older one who was hot. Fine for people who enjoy it though, I mean this place is filled with games who pander to specific fetishes (like incest)

 

[Someone]

Is fiction dude.
You are getting triggered by drawings and virtual polygons. And if you cannot break some boundary in fiction then where?

 

[Hellraezer]

I have a question for you. Have you played Dating my Daughter? If yes, did you have fun? Did you bang the best friend? Yes? Congrats, you just enjoyed a game with children in it and probably fucked one of them. Early teens to be more precise - there is no way that game works if any of the girls are above 16. 14 is more like it, tho it creates another set of problems. Do you honestly think everybody is 18 in the games here, especially the games where the MC is somehow just out of school and somehow has an 18 year old little sister that is acting like she is at least 3-4 years younger?

Adult games have a very strong Ephebophilia and Hebephilia vibes from the start. Add to that, that many developers come from places, where the age of consent is way lower than the anglosphere (15 and 16 being quite predominant in europe dropping down to 14 in many places) and you also have a cultural clash. And this is without even touching the Japanese games. Loli stuff usually comes from that place.

I personally don't care. I'd never touch a child, but I would also never rape someone, and probably 3 out of 5 sexual encounters in the most popular games here are rape by one form or another. While I would have a hard time attaching some high-note to the games you mentioned (especially Corruption) I am a staunch supporter of "Let an artist do whatever they like". Corruption turns in to mother-mother-child-child orgy... honestly, I'd be interested in what reaction will it invoke in me. Considering the shit I've done in that game already... I don't think I'll feel any different.

A game with children will not turn someone in to a pedophile. Just as Thief won't make you in to a burglar, Call of Duty won't make you in to a solder and so on, and so on. Artists wish they had the cultural sway different types of moral guardians try to attach to them. Art reflects culture, it doesn't influence it.

So... was anybody hurt? No? Good. Let it be. Otherwise we would have to remove 95% of the games here on some "moral" ground or another. And when a bunch of pixels manage to offend you... grab a beer or a soda and move on. Not every game is for everyone.

There are just too many VNs out there where from the opening screen it is stated "All persons in this game are 18+ years of age."
BUT..., almost all of them are physically and mentally portrayed as 12-15 year olds.
Ashley, as well as her friend, Sophia from Man of the House
Elena, Jennifer, from Dating My Daughter, as well as the daughter herself
These are only 2 examples.
The legality of such games is not the problem, rather the morality.
Dating my daughter is a great VN, but to have all her "18+-year old" friends who are obviously 12-13 years old throwing themselves at you makes for a very cringey experience IMHO. Some may like it, but when EVERY game follows this trend, it just makes for an unpleasant trend among Adult-content games in general.
If you like it, by all means, knock yourself out, but I would actually like to see a VN or two that breaks this mold.

There are just too many VNs out there where from the opening screen it is stated "All persons in this game are 18+ years of age."
BUT..., almost all of them are physically and mentally portrayed as 12-15 year olds.
Ashley, as well as her friend, Sophia from Man of the House
Elena, Jennifer, from Dating My Daughter, as well as the daughter herself
These are only 2 examples.
The legality of such games is not the problem, rather the morality.
Dating my daughter is a great VN, but to have all her "18+-year old" friends who are obviously 12-13 years old throwing themselves at you makes for a very cringey experience IMHO. Some may like it, but when EVERY game follows this trend, it just makes for an unpleasant trend among Adult-content games in general.
If you like it, by all means, knock yourself out, but I would actually like to see a VN or two that breaks this mold.

BTW, no, I didn't bang the best friend NOR the best friend's best friend. I DID however bang the hell out of the secretary and only one thing bothered me about the game: IF you accept Veronica's date and not the daughter's, the game is over because you're "an asshole" according to Mr Dots. So, so much for having a healthy relationship with someone your own age and you are "forced" into having relations with children in this game, or your game will be over before you can really begin it.
Again, trends that need to stop to appeal to a wider audience, not just to those who fantasize about sex with minors.

To each their own but for me if the character looks too young it's just not very attractive. I had this problem in Parental Love where one of the daughters was clearly a kid and just not hot at all..at least there was the older one who was hot. Fine for people who enjoy it though, I mean this place is filled with games who pander to specific fetishes (like incest)

Why do you think 95% of the games here have home-brew incest patches for them?

 

[Count Morado]

Why do you think 95% of the games here have home-brew incest patches for them?

Dude, you realize you're giving mouth-to-mouth to a dead thread, right? It's been buried for 3.5 years. Even if you revive it, it's gonna go zombie for it's hunger of brains.

PS: you can edit your posts to add more content to them if no one has commented yet, so you don't need to have 2, 3 ... more posts in a row. That is, unless that's what you're going for - attention.

 

[Hellraezer]

I have a question for you. Have you played Dating my Daughter? If yes, did you have fun? Did you bang the best friend? Yes? Congrats, you just enjoyed a game with children in it and probably fucked one of them. Early teens to be more precise - there is no way that game works if any of the girls are above 16. 14 is more like it, tho it creates another set of problems. Do you honestly think everybody is 18 in the games here, especially the games where the MC is somehow just out of school and somehow has an 18 year old little sister that is acting like she is at least 3-4 years younger?

Adult games have a very strong Ephebophilia and Hebephilia vibes from the start. Add to that, that many developers come from places, where the age of consent is way lower than the anglosphere (15 and 16 being quite predominant in europe dropping down to 14 in many places) and you also have a cultural clash. And this is without even touching the Japanese games. Loli stuff usually comes from that place.

I personally don't care. I'd never touch a child, but I would also never rape someone, and probably 3 out of 5 sexual encounters in the most popular games here are rape by one form or another. While I would have a hard time attaching some high-note to the games you mentioned (especially Corruption) I am a staunch supporter of "Let an artist do whatever they like". Corruption turns in to mother-mother-child-child orgy... honestly, I'd be interested in what reaction will it invoke in me. Considering the shit I've done in that game already... I don't think I'll feel any different.

A game with children will not turn someone in to a pedophile. Just as Thief won't make you in to a burglar, Call of Duty won't make you in to a solder and so on, and so on. Artists wish they had the cultural sway different types of moral guardians try to attach to them. Art reflects culture, it doesn't influence it.

So... was anybody hurt? No? Good. Let it be. Otherwise we would have to remove 95% of the games here on some "moral" ground or another. And when a bunch of pixels manage to offend you... grab a beer or a soda and move on. Not every game is for everyone.

When I play games like Call of Duty, or Cyberpunk 2077, I get a kick at shooting some poor slob's head from their shoulders, but would never do it in reality. Then again, there really aren't a lot of FPS I wan to play because it seems like it's an endless parade of bloodshed for no other reason than there to be bloodshed. That's all fine for others, but I want more in my games than a simple bloodstorm.
Adult VNs are identical in the sense in that there's no variety anymore:
1: MC moves into house.
2: Every female, (adult and child alike) within a 20-mile radius is throwing themselves at main character
3: MC doesn't give up until he's conquered every female in the game (adult and child alike).
4: wash, rinse, repeat.
Why isn't there a simple plot to win over the apex predator of women in these games? In reality there's always one woman who is apparently untouchable but you HAVE to find a way to win her over. THAT'S the VN I really want to play!

Dude, you realize you're giving mouth-to-mouth to a dead thread, right? It's been buried for 3.5 years. Even if you revive it, it's gonna go zombie for it's hunger of brains.

PS: you can edit your posts to add more content to them if no one has commented yet, so you don't need to have 2, 3 ... more posts in a row. That is, unless that's what you're going for - attention.

Are you the Admin of the thread? No? Then why the hell do you care how many posts I ad to it? Do my comments offend you? I think I'll say, maybe you SHOULD be offended by them. Can't think of another reason why you'd even care how many posts I add to it.
If you can't follow and contribute to the thread, why not just butt the hell out of it, since it doesn't even concern you?

Dude, you realize you're giving mouth-to-mouth to a dead thread, right? It's been buried for 3.5 years. Even if you revive it, it's gonna go zombie for it's hunger of brains.

PS: you can edit your posts to add more content to them if no one has commented yet, so you don't need to have 2, 3 ... more posts in a row. That is, unless that's what you're going for - attention.

Just making conversation and adding my thoughts.
No reason to be butt-hurt over them. I agreed with most of what you were saying but not all of them. Maybe that's your problem then?
No, I'm NOT seeking attention, but you can't handle someone disagreeing with you either, obviously.

 

[Count Morado]

 

[Hellraezer]

No one is so one dimensional that you lose nothing by ignoring them. Whether or not someone likes any sort of content doesn't define them.

I mean, what if every dev of lesbian games was revealed to be in support of loli/shota? Would you just give up games because they find some fiction appealing?

And it's not like there isn't also play for people who like young girls. The whole pigtails and lollipop thing that you often see, guys that are into babytalk, and even things like diaper play exist. There are definitely healthy ways to explore the kink that don't involve rape.

Furthermore, there's no healthy way to enjoy Vore, Gigantism, Furry, Bestiality, or Guro either, 3 of those are pure fantasy, as they're not even possible, the last two are and I'd say Guro is way worse than loli/shota.

Being heterosexual, I tend to avoid everything that doesn't appeal to me. That includes lesbian/gay/trans/loli/etc content. Do I have a problem with others who like it? Not at all, but just don't be negative to me because I don't enjoy what you like.
Basic logic, IMHO.

 

[anne O'nymous]

No, I'm NOT seeking attention, but you can't handle someone disagreeing with you either, obviously.

Really ? You are coming back after four years of silence, shitted on two carpets, then started to insult the guy who nicely told you that it's probably not something to do. Wouldn't be the post limitation, you would probably have continued for hours.

You are totally seeking for attention.

 

[Omae wa shinda]

 

[Xorgroth]

They're only "18+" because of legality. In reality, their mannerisms, appearance, and speech all dictate they are barely out of adolescence! If you like games like that, by all means knock yourself out, but don't let ME catch you hanging out at the junior high school looking at the kids or we're gonna have REAL problems!

I didn't even remember this thread, then realized it's from 4 years ago. Not sure if you're trolling or what...

 

[ewafvirus]

Arise chicken arise.

 

[eosar]

It's been 4 years or so. They're adults now legally, right?

 

[darkduck09]

It's been 4 years or so. They're adults now legally, right?

Interesting thought experiment. If a character in a game starts out as 14 years old but it takes 4 years of milking patreon money for the game to get to 0.5 (obviously in beta guys), doesn't that mean the character that was 14 is now 18?