Ren'Py Club Detention [v0.0861] [Yorma86]

[Bob89rt]

I don't understand why nothing happens in this club or theme or content.

If it was the title of an erotic book more Porn would be happening in it.

Instead it's a dating game. And it's a bad comparison. You train the girls with hard core and the club is absolutely soft core. Nothing much happens in it. Train them with pointless skills to get very soft core scene if any. Instead you date the girls and you get vanilla sex scenes and they're largely with Lilth or something anyway.

I don't understand this game and why it did this?

 

[MasterGamer1234567890]

Hi Yorma86

Any update on the new release?

Thanks in advance!

Try read the last 5-10 posts and you will get your answer.

 

[Jgriz04]

I don't understand why nothing happens in this club or theme or content.

If it was the title of an erotic book more Porn would be happening in it.

Instead it's a dating game. And it's a bad comparison. You train the girls with hard core and the club is absolutely soft core. Nothing much happens in it. Train them with pointless skills to get very soft core scene if any. Instead you date the girls and you get vanilla sex scenes and they're largely with Lilth or something anyway.

I don't understand this game and why it did this?

In my opinion, it is because this game has an identity crisis. From the plot synopsis, you would think the main character is a very bad guy who is tricking/forcing his students into sexual servitude in his new club. The game strongly suggests that it would inherently have very dark themes inside (non-con, blackmailed, forced prostitution, etc…).

However, this was not the way the developer wanted to take the game. Instead, he has tried to have the game focus on more “love” routes and has tried to avoid the non-con aspect of his game by focusing on corruption.

This creates a problem. The club was billed as the main attraction of the game but there is no way to plausibly have the girls participate without unscrupulous means. So the game has focused on a million other “dates” and other activities to try to alleviate the problem the club causes.

Many still enjoy the game the way it has gone and the developer seems happy so I wouldn’t expect anything to change in this regards. As the plot lines become more fleshed out it becomes more plausible to begin adding true club activities.

 

[Bob89rt]

In my opinion, it is because this game has an identity crisis. From the plot synopsis, you would think the main character is a very bad guy who is tricking/forcing his students into sexual servitude in his new club. The game strongly suggests that it would inherently have very dark themes inside (non-con, blackmailed, forced prostitution, etc…).

However, this was not the way the developer wanted to take the game. Instead, he has tried to have the game focus on more “love” routes and has tried to avoid the non-con aspect of his game by focusing on corruption.

This creates a problem. The club was billed as the main attraction of the game but there is no way to plausibly have the girls participate without unscrupulous means. So the game has focused on a million other “dates” and other activities to try to alleviate the problem the club causes.

Many still enjoy the game the way it has gone and the developer seems happy so I wouldn’t expect anything to change in this regards. As the plot lines become more fleshed out it becomes more plausible to begin adding true club activities.

I gave up on it, after playing the original release, where it showed far more corruption. Even in the next few releases, it suggested it as you have explained and commented. Thank you. Now it's pointlessly drifted into very soft core themes that are a very tedious grind, and lack much content. It might've been.

 

[Yorma86]

In my opinion, it is because this game has an identity crisis. From the plot synopsis, you would think the main character is a very bad guy who is tricking/forcing his students into sexual servitude in his new club. The game strongly suggests that it would inherently have very dark themes inside (non-con, blackmailed, forced prostitution, etc…).

However, this was not the way the developer wanted to take the game. Instead, he has tried to have the game focus on more “love” routes and has tried to avoid the non-con aspect of his game by focusing on corruption.

This creates a problem. The club was billed as the main attraction of the game but there is no way to plausibly have the girls participate without unscrupulous means. So the game has focused on a million other “dates” and other activities to try to alleviate the problem the club causes.

Many still enjoy the game the way it has gone and the developer seems happy so I wouldn’t expect anything to change in this regards. As the plot lines become more fleshed out it becomes more plausible to begin adding true club activities.

Well, I don't think you're completely wrong, but not completely correct either. You can always guess and assume what my intentions are, but truth be told, they're not always that clear to me either but I've been focusing on the "love" routes and stuff outside the club because I prefer to know the girls I'm corrupting. Sure, not every game has to have more to the characters than just escalating porn scenes, but I kinda wanted there to be more to them. Hence the porn parts are still very much in the works.

What's probably more true that this game has issues with pacing and lack of content. They kinda stem from the same reason - overly ambitious first solo project.

I gave up on it, after playing the original release, where it showed far more corruption. Even in the next few releases, it suggested it as you have explained and commented. Thank you. Now it's pointlessly drifted into very soft core themes that are a very tedious grind, and lack much content. It might've been.

It might one day be again, maybe. Depends on who you ask.

I don't understand why nothing happens in this club or theme or content.

If it was the title of an erotic book more Porn would be happening in it.

Instead it's a dating game. And it's a bad comparison. You train the girls with hard core and the club is absolutely soft core. Nothing much happens in it. Train them with pointless skills to get very soft core scene if any. Instead you date the girls and you get vanilla sex scenes and they're largely with Lilth or something anyway.

I don't understand this game and why it did this?

Read above, but basically it's the issue that I don't want a hard cut from innocent girls to hardcore pimping. That ride has to feel smooth. And I want people to get a feel of the girls so they're not just any random girls off the street that they're pimping - for that you could play any of the weird isekai whore hotel games where you recruit random fandom girls and unlock random fanart shots of them.

 

[MasterGamer1234567890]

What's probably more true that this game has issues with pacing and lack of content. They kinda stem from the same reason - overly ambitious first solo project.

I can only agree to this, but I still think you are doing a pretty good job compared to other one man projects, and hope you will continue your work. That although doesn't mean I'll stop bitching at you for lack of hardcore pimping in the club.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Well, I don't think you're completely wrong, but not completely correct either. You can always guess and assume what my intentions are, but truth be told, they're not always that clear to me either but I've been focusing on the "love" routes and stuff outside the club because I prefer to know the girls I'm corrupting. Sure, not every game has to have more to the characters than just escalating porn scenes, but I kinda wanted there to be more to them. Hence the porn parts are still very much in the works.

What's probably more true that this game has issues with pacing and lack of content. They kinda stem from the same reason - overly ambitious first solo project.



It might one day be again, maybe. Depends on who you ask.


Read above, but basically it's the issue that I don't want a hard cut from innocent girls to hardcore pimping. That ride has to feel smooth. And I want people to get a feel of the girls so they're not just any random girls off the street that they're pimping - for that you could play any of the weird isekai whore hotel games where you recruit random fandom girls and unlock random fanart shots of them.

Yep I think this is very sound logic - while I agree with the original poster, random pimping and sex events are meaningless if you don't have a strong idea of all the girls characters ahead of time. So as long as that's in the works long term, it makes perfect sense to go about it this way.

PS: you should add "girlfriend" and "cheating" points to the radar graph

 

[Bob89rt]

Well, I don't think you're completely wrong, but not completely correct either. You can always guess and assume what my intentions are, but truth be told, they're not always that clear to me either but I've been focusing on the "love" routes and stuff outside the club because I prefer to know the girls I'm corrupting. Sure, not every game has to have more to the characters than just escalating porn scenes, but I kinda wanted there to be more to them. Hence the porn parts are still very much in the works.

What's probably more true that this game has issues with pacing and lack of content. They kinda stem from the same reason - overly ambitious first solo project.



It might one day be again, maybe. Depends on who you ask.


Read above, but basically it's the issue that I don't want a hard cut from innocent girls to hardcore pimping. That ride has to feel smooth. And I want people to get a feel of the girls so they're not just any random girls off the street that they're pimping - for that you could play any of the weird isekai whore hotel games where you recruit random fandom girls and unlock random fanart shots of them.

They're whores in a club. You're focusing on soft core love routes. Like watching paint dry. No pun intended. It would be like watching a 5 hr movie with bad actors, no action scenes, and a bunch of jarring dialogue.

What does that even mean? Get to know the whores before they service the clients? They're trained with skills that don't work. The skills there are soft anyway whether it was maid or performer or brat. Trained with suggestive hardcore. Instead there's none, and instead of instructing whores as their principal and pimp you've fallen in love and are dating them first? /Faceplam. WTF.

Instead of being a trainer management sim. It's a dating game for lost whores. He opened a school for them. You'll make more money if you date me. You gotta be kidding me. Hence that kid.

I disagree, there's corruption not love with whores. Where training corruption takes place. The concept has become lost into a very mediocre game that might have been. I have more fun playing any other trainer and any brothel management sim. Instead of another Dating, Harem game. It mislabelled.

 

[Yorma86]

Yep I think this is very sound logic - while I agree with the original poster, random pimping and sex events are meaningless if you don't have a strong idea of all the girls characters ahead of time. So as long as that's in the works long term, it makes perfect sense to go about it this way.

PS: you should add "girlfriend" and "cheating" points to the radar graph

Yeah, I'll be remaking the whole character sheet (again) for the next update. I'll include all (or at least most) of the relevant stats and things I'm tracking, and I'll at least try to come up with a checkbox list for each character so you can see whether you've missed anything (though it will be inaccurate for older saves since I haven't really been tracking which scenes have been seen because I was not prepared for this ).

They're whores in a club. You're focusing on soft core love routes. Like watching paint dry. No pun intended. It would be like watching a 5 hr movie with bad actors, no action scenes, and a bunch of jarring dialogue.

What does that even mean? Get to know the whores before they service the clients? They're trained with skills that don't work. The skills there are soft anyway whether it was maid or performer or brat. Trained with suggestive hardcore. Instead there's none, and instead of instructing whores as their principal and pimp you've fallen in love and are dating them first? /Faceplam. WTF.

Instead of being a trainer management sim. It's a dating game for lost whores. He opened a school for them. You'll make more money if you date me. You gotta be kidding me. Hence that kid

I don't know what to tell you. We probably enjoy different games for different reasons and won't see eye to eye on matters of taste, so hopefully you'll find one that'll match your tastes better. Those should exist - there are so many adult games these days. Anyhow, cheers.

 

[Bob89rt]

Yeah, I'll be remaking the whole character sheet (again) for the next update. I'll include all (or at least most) of the relevant stats and things I'm tracking, and I'll at least try to come up with a checkbox list for each character so you can see whether you've missed anything (though it will be inaccurate for older saves since I haven't really been tracking which scenes have been seen because I was not prepared for this ).


I don't know what to tell you. We probably enjoy different games for different reasons and won't see eye to eye on matters of taste, so hopefully you'll find one that'll match your tastes better. Those should exist - there are so many adult games these days. Anyhow, cheers.

Taste. Perhaps. Rather experience. Forum full of content. You created marmite.

Logically and apology. I liked the premise. It drifted. The training was suggestive. Until playing the game.

I don't want to get to know whores. The secret diary of a callgirl. Why did you do it. Obviously the same reason anybody else fucks them. It's a game. I wanted to watch hardcore and play a management training sim.

 

[MasterGamer1234567890]

Taste. Perhaps. Rather experience. Forum full of content. You created marmite.

Logically and apology. I liked the premise. It drifted. The training was suggestive. Until playing the game.

I don't want to get to know whores. The secret diary of a callgirl. Why did you do it. Obviously the same reason anybody else fucks them. It's a game. I wanted to watch hardcore and play a management training sim.

We have heard your point. I doubt it will change anything no matter how often you repeat it. So, why don't you just move on if you dislike the game this much. Is it really worth your time bitching about a game you don't like?

 

[Yorma86]

We have heard your point. I doubt it will change anything no matter how often you repeat it. So, why don't you just move on if you dislike the game this much. Is it really worth your time bitching about a game you don't like?

The length people will go to just keep themselves upset over something and the amount of time they're willing to invest in the endeavor can be downright impressive considering the fact that they could be doing literally anything else. But maybe that's more fun for some people than playing games or reading books they like. At least where I come from, complaining about stuff seems to be a national sports almost (though the subjects of complaint consists mostly of the weather and the government).

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

The length people will go to just keep themselves upset over something and the amount of time they're willing to invest in the endeavor can be downright impressive considering the fact that they could be doing literally anything else. But maybe that's more fun for some people than playing games or reading books they like. At least where I come from, complaining about stuff seems to be a national sports almost (though the subjects of complaint consists mostly of the weather and the government).

Brit confirmed

 

[Bob89rt]

The length people will go to just keep themselves upset over something and the amount of time they're willing to invest in the endeavor can be downright impressive considering the fact that they could be doing literally anything else. But maybe that's more fun for some people than playing games or reading books they like. At least where I come from, complaining about stuff seems to be a national sports almost (though the subjects of complaint consists mostly of the weather and the government).

You're talking about me like I am not here. All because I said the marmite is off. It became marmite. love/hate. Such an acquired taste many dislike and would rather eat jam. The game had a title, a description, a theme, and a premise. Instead it's a dating, harem sim.

You know nothing about me. I will say for the simple metaphor, there's no point dating whores. It's a no brainer. The opposite of common sense.

But go on, what do I care. It was advice you ignored. It could've, might've. Instead it is.

 

[MasterGamer1234567890]

You're talking about me like I am not here.

Although you fit the description perfectly, I can name quite a number of other posters that will fit the description equally (including my self from time to time). So no. I'm pretty sure his post wasn't a personal attack on you. You are not that important.

And as I wrote before. He has heard your arguments, and has already told you it's a one man show, and good stuff will come when he is ready for it. It's doubtful he will change his priorities no matter how often your repeat your arguments, so why don't you leave this thread and move on? Your life must be pretty boring if you don't have better things to do.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

there's no point dating whores. It's a no brainer. The opposite of common sense.

Uhh no shit, in the real world. But this is a game. You play it, exit it, and you don't have to see said whore later that day and eat dinner with her. There's no temporal permanence. In a game, you get a simulation of all the sexual exicitement that would come with dating said whore but without the real world drawbacks of feeling like shit later when she's off banging others.

 

[Bob89rt]

Uhh no shit, in the real world. But this is a game. You play it, exit it, and you don't have to see said whore later that day and eat dinner with her. There's no temporal permanence. In a game, you get a simulation of all the sexual exicitement that would come with dating said whore but without the real world drawbacks of feeling like shit later when she's off banging others.

In every World we fuck whores, correct? Some are incredible lays, incredibly. But nobody dates whores. You can be a cuck, sure, marmite, largely? Why on Earth is every scene set around dating them? Corruption hasn't had any impact except jealously. The bar, and in almost every scene he's trying to rescue them from customers for himself. In the meantime every scene is set around dating them. Not much fucking involved. Lilth clones them or something. Other scenes etc, literal dating. OMG so sorry played a porno, etc etc.

The game hasn't lived up to its expectations. Corruption. Fucking whores. In a brothel management training sim. It's a harem dating game. It defies common sense.

 

[MasterGamer1234567890]

In a brothel management training sim.

I never considered this a brothel management training sim game. From day one it has been clear to me, that this was more a school orientated game, where the girls had a side job as prostitute when in detention. Hence the name of the game, I did expect more focus on the detention and prostitution part, but are VERY pleased to see that game has never turned into a stat grind game like most brothel management games.
That said. I do want to see more club content like many others, and I'm bitching at the dev whenever he ends a sexual oriented scene just before it gets really interesting (and there are many of them). But I respect that it's his game and I understand why it takes forever to get the club content done, with him being a one man show.

Bottom line. You are getting nowhere with your posts in this thread. If you think you can do better, why don't you make your own game.

 

[Bob89rt]

I never considered this a brothel management training sim game. From day one it has been clear to me, that this was more a school orientated game, where the girls had a side job as prostitute when in detention. Hence the name of the game, I did expect more focus on the detention and prostitution part, but are VERY pleased to see that game has never turned into a stat grind game like most brothel management games.
That said. I do want to see more club content like many others, and I'm bitching at the dev whenever he ends a sexual oriented scene just before it gets really interesting (and there are many of them). But I respect that it's his game and I understand why it takes forever to get the club content done, with him being a one man show.

Bottom line. You are getting nowhere with your posts in this thread. If you think you can do better, why don't you make your own game.

You embarrass yourself. Stop it. It's a SIM. The name of the brothel is club detention. You manage it. You train whores to work in the brothel. In which you were supposed to corrupt them from education into working in the club. What is it from day one? A dating sim where you fall in love with a harem? Explain. Any tags were corruption, maledom, trainer, prostitution, management, simulator.

Don't bother. I don't consider you a master gamer. Read the tags, maybe? It's posts like yours trolling a valid line of questioning. Instead you simply take what you get. How are we supposed to improve without criticism. According to master gamer we are not. Clap.

 

[MasterGamer1234567890]

How are we supposed to improve without criticism.

Criticism is writing 1 post where you state your problem with the game and then move on. You are way beyond criticism. You are bitching and trolling. Please take your meds. and move on. I'm done trying to reason with you.