VN Ren'Py College Kings [Act 2 v5.2.7] [Undergrad Steve]

[UndergradSteve]

Yes not every girl can be pure virgin, but having 2 women already, one a cheating bitch and the other a whore in a romance game is unlikely for people to like that , if this was an ntr game I will understand but this being a non-ntr & romance game seems unwise to have such girls as Li's.

Hey there,
Thank you so much for your feedback, I appreciate your honesty.

My top priority is to make this game feel realistic. I know that some of the characters might be less likable or have done stuff that some people disapprove of, but that's real life.

And whether you'll forgive people's mistakes and accept their flaws, or keep them out of your life and meet different people is up to you. I'll do my best to make all characters have redeeming qualities and I hope you'll give the next update another try and let me know if you still feel that way.

Take care,

Undergrad Steve

 

[Deleted member 15555]

Hey there,
Thank you so much for your feedback, I appreciate your honesty.

My top priority is to make this game feel realistic. I know that some of the characters might be less likable or have done stuff that some people disapprove of, but that's real life.

And whether you'll forgive people's mistakes and accept their flaws, or keep them out of your life and meet different people is up to you. I'll do my best to make all characters have redeeming qualities and I hope you'll give the next update another try and let me know if you still feel that way.

Take care,

Undergrad Steve

I never said I did not like the game, but for me, romance games are more vanilla when it comes to that.
Thats why I love badik so much, the romance in that game is platonic, none of the Li's come off as whores and none of them did cheat on the mc (the whole Josy&Maya was in the past), so the players can really fall in love with those girls, however having a Li portrayed as a whore that fucks anything that moves (we even see her fucking someone in the game) and another Li as a gf that cheated on the mc... is not something many players will like in the game (non ntr players), for me those 2 Li's can die off in the game and I won't care because I'm not going to pursue them, plenty sure others may agree going by some comments here about "Vicepresident girl".
Now let's say there is 5 Li's... that leaves me just with 3 left to enjoy, when it comes to support a dev, I will support something I fully enjoy rather than a game where I just hate/like 50% of the Li's.
I have seen that happen in other games, devs trying to go for too much realistic while forgetting that many of us play games to have fun and most important a good story / romance.
Anyway, best of luck

 

[Kremlin K.O.A.]

*Blink*
"I saw her having sex once, therefore she must be a whore, who fucks everyone."

Seriously? grow TF up.

 

[drcynic22]

Very much in the spirit of BaD. One thing I'd like to see if you could solve is when the choices come up, they are inevitably so far to the right that half of the text in the choice box is cut off. This happens in both windowed and fullscreen versions of the game. Am I running on the wrong settings or what? Just really irritating to have the choice text cut and that far over to the right. Maybe it's the walkthrough mod?

 

[The ArcKnight]

So the one thing I will absolutely throw my opinion on is the Brunette VP and the Redhead.

The brunette is fucking other dudes, I mean, we actually watch her fucking a guy in the dorm day 1, so I lost all interest in her. I will never understand the mindset of "I see a girl fucking someone else, I want to fuck her now!"
Its always been a turn off for me.

And I am sure people are like: "Well do you watch porn? its the same thing!" No, its not really, because porn is just a means to get off, I wouldn't go fuck a porn star. Just like if I have a girl i'm interested in, I wouldn't want to think of her with other dudes, let alone wanting to literally watch her have sex with others... Nope, not interested anymore.

Also, can we NOT trade with the roommate? Fuck the whole "You want one of the girls? Well can I have the other?" I want to get them both for MC only! No fucking sharing!

So yeah, I'll echo Djkunn here, the Cheater and the girl we watch fucking at the start o the game are not love interests to me anymore. Just NPCs to be ignored when they arent needed.

 

[Ragnar]

Well, I hope UndergradSteve doesn't change the story he has planned because some people want yet another boring and bland MC vanilla Harem of 40 virgins.
So far the girls are varied to pick from, Chloe is best girl and I'm gonna cuck her boyfriend, for Harem lovers we have the virgin girl so everyone win.

 

[Prokopije]

Yup, it's good this way. There are more than enough "mc have them all pure and untouched" BS games. We don't need one more.

 

[UndergradSteve]

Sry if this has been asked before but are you gonna be adding more woman/girls to the game? Because gonna be honest the only one I like so far is Chloe appearance wise.

Thought I replied to this already, but there'll be more female characters. They'll only be introduced if it fits the story and certain choices might make them come sooner or later.

 

[UndergradSteve]

Very much in the spirit of BaD. One thing I'd like to see if you could solve is when the choices come up, they are inevitably so far to the right that half of the text in the choice box is cut off. This happens in both windowed and fullscreen versions of the game. Am I running on the wrong settings or what? Just really irritating to have the choice text cut and that far over to the right. Maybe it's the walkthrough mod?

Hey, are you on pc? That might be the walkthrough as I'm unable to replicate that issue without it.


I'll try my best to get this fixed for future updates even though I'm not porting the walkthrough mod myself atm.

Thanks for the bug report, much appreciated.

 

[UndergradSteve]

So the on thing I will absolutely throw my opinion on is the Brunette VP and the Redhead.
The brunette is fucking other dudes, I mean, we actually watch her fucking a guy in the dorm day 1, so I lost all interest in her. I will never understand the mindset of "Oh I see her fucking someone else, I want to fuck her now!"
Its always been a turn off for me.

And I am sure people are like "Well do you watch porn? its the same thing!" No, not really, because porn is juste a means to get off, I wouldn't go fuck a porn star, just like if I have a girl i'm interested in, I wouldn't want to think of her with other dudes. And ya know, getting to literally watch her have sex with others... Nope, not interested anymore.

Also, can we NOT trade with the roommate? Fuck the whole you want one of the girls and her can have the other. Get them both for you only! No fucking sharing!

So yeah, I'll echo Djkunn here, the Cheater and the girl we watch fucking at the start o the game are not love interests to me anymore. Just NPCs to be ignored when they arent needed.

Hey there,

sorry you feel that way. I understand that most of the girls have major or minor flaws and I see how that could make you dislike them.

As for the roommate choice, since v.0.1 is a demo, the choices and paths possible are quite limited.

Expect a lot more choices that change the game in a meaningful and sometimes permanent way for the next update, planned for this Friday (16/10)

Thank you for your feedback and I hope you'll give the next update a try.

- Undergrad Steve

 

[drcynic22]

Hey, are you on pc? That might be the walkthrough as I'm unable to replicate that issue without it.


I'll try my best to get this fixed for future updates even though I'm not porting the walkthrough mod myself atm.

Thanks for the bug report, much appreciated.

Yeah, I'm on a laptop... Okay, I'll try it without the mod in the next update and see if that fixes the problem.

 

[The ArcKnight]

Hey there,

sorry you feel that way. I understand that most of the girls have major or minor flaws and I see how that could make you dislike them.

As for the roommate choice, since v.0.1 is a demo, the choices and paths possible are quite limited.

Expect a lot more choices that change the game in a meaningful and sometimes permanent way for the next update, planned for this Friday (16/10)

Thank you for your feedback and I hope you'll give the next update a try.

- Undergrad Steve

Don't get me wrong. I do like the game so far. It is clear that you've put a lot of thought and effort into it.

I just dislike games where MC is cheated on or has to share his love interests as the main theme.
As long as that is nonexistent or at the very least optional, I'm cool. I'm just lamenting the fact that 2 of the three girls from the title are A.) the cheating ex, (Emily) and B.) a girl you watch get fucked by other dudes, Aubrey. Yeah, I know its optional but now that I've seen the scene its turned me off Aubrey. Also, her character seems kinda shallow anyways so... yeah, not waifu material.

As for the comments of you just want everyone to be an untouched virgin..
I mean, I have a Defloration fetish, so technically yes, in my ideal game, absolutely! lol
But no, I don't expect that and I'm not going to hold it against any game if they are not. lol.
I have Laura(?) as a virgin character so I'll happily pursue her and hopefully have other characters that aren't so whorish.

I just personally dislike the more promiscuous characters in most games, because I play most games for the romance (aside from the "Gotta fuck em all" attitude I have to porn games (Thanks poke'mon!). And the way most promiscuous characters are written, they don't give a fuck about the MC, they just want a lay. So for me, there is nothing there besides a depthless sex scene, hot model, but otherwise pointless from my perspective.

I also kinda want to know what the fuck the deal with the "Keys" system is all about. Dev needs to explain that better. Is Boyfriend the nice guy? Is the Troublemaker the douchebag? is Bro a in-between? Because honestly, i've no idea what points I should be going for. Bro sounds like its geared more towards you getting along with the male characters, which I have ZERO interest in. like I said, if I could get rid of them all, I would. lol

So yeah, I'll leave this off with my thoughts on each female character so far:


Julia, the "Landlady" : Not much here, seems she's had a wild past, interesting to see if anything is found out about her.

Emily, the Cheating Ex: We don't know much about the relationship and what the extent of her cheating was, so though I am loving her character model, the story does not set her up as someone I'm going to like. Will be interesting if the Dev finds a way to change that, would GREATLY depend on the cause and depth of her cheating, like if she fucked someone? Dead to me, if she just kissed someone... not thrilled but if there's a good reason I'm willing to hear her out.

Lauren, the Virgin: Prime wife material, shy and inexperienced, hopefully we can grow closer to her and open her up.

Autumn, Deer Pres: Lauren's sis and pres of the other sorority, seems she has a past with Cameron, seems she gets flustered easily but isn't afraid to stand up to jackasses. Absolutely look forward to going after her better, she seems sweet and fiery, hopefully we can get her and her sister...

Riley, the Unexpected Nerd: Adventurous, sweet, and unexpectedly nerdy, she even did the prereading! Love her so far. She seems interested in MC rather then roommate, which is good. Hopefully we can find a way to get her away from the roommate without having to give him Lauren, because fuck the "Bro's before hoes" mentality, I'll take the Hoes, you go off and be with you're bro's.

Aubrey, the Flirt: She is the character I'm least interested in, we first see her fucking Sam and then flirting with Josh (who's apparently a cokehead?). When talking with her, seems she just likes fighters and kinda wants to fuck em all? Infact if you say you're not a fighter, she immediately looses interest in you. So yeah, gorgeous character model, but a little too shallow and slutty for my tastes.

Chloe, the Chicks Pres: So she's kinda built up like she's going to be the main girl of the story. Her dialogue with the MC absolutely shows some chemistry, buuuut looks like she has a BF... and did nothing to discourage the MC from almost kissing her!... doesn't really bode well for her being Best Girl. Even if her BF is a dick, you don't cheat.
Will be interesting to see what comes of her and what she says after MC wakes up from getting TKO'd. Will she try and deny she was flirting, making her a fuckin liar? Will she break up with her asshole BF? Was she not with the Ape Pres and is just being pursued by him and MC got knocked out for attempting to kiss what should be his girl? IDK but i'm interested enough to find out!

 

[Deleted member 15555]

*Blink*
"I saw her having sex once, therefore she must be a whore, who fucks everyone."

Seriously? grow TF up.

she doesn't have sex once buddy, is said in the game she keeps fucking a lot of guys in her room by our roommate, next time at least read the damm game before throwing your opinion at something you don't even know.

Well, I hope UndergradSteve doesn't change the story he has planned because some people want yet another boring and bland MC vanilla Harem of 40 virgins.
So far the girls are varied to pick from, Chloe is best girl and I'm gonna cuck her boyfriend, for Harem lovers we have the virgin girl so everyone wins.

Yup, it's good this way. There are more than enough "mc have them all pure and untouched" BS games. We don't need one more.

Yup, seeiing how you both play all those " ntr " games im pretty sure the dev should listen to you both even when he already said he is not going to add it....

I don't know about what ntr games are you talking about, I play mostly vanilla games but I don't get PTSD either if a fictional character has fictional sex with another fictional character.
Chill out buddy, some girls in the game have relationships like irl they aren't waiting for Prince Charming, deal with it.

yeah because corporate culture is very vanilla,

 

[Ragnar]

she doesn't have sex once buddy, is said in the game she keeps fucking a lot of guys in her room by our roommate, next time at least read the damm game before throwing your opinion at something you don't even know.



Yup, seeiing how you both play all those " ntr " games im pretty sure the dev should listen to you both even when he already said he is not going to add it....

I don't know about what ntr games are you talking about, I play mostly vanilla games but I don't get PTSD either if a fictional character has fictional sex with another fictional character.
Chill out buddy, some girls in the game have relationships like irl they aren't waiting for Prince Charming, deal with it.

 

[Prokopije]

Yup, seeiing how you both play all those " ntr " games im pretty sure the dev should listen to you both even when he already said he is not going to add it....

What ntr? There's no such things in this game nor will be. Who asked for it? Did I missed some posts? What was asked is not to change current girls into virgins who worships only MC. If he's going to add some of those later, go on, good, but was asked to leave those as they are. It's good to have some of each kind, it gives variety for all tastes and provides game to be somewhat realistic, rather than "Oh, MC my only god of sex, only you exists in this world" ridiculous fairytale. There are already more than enough of those kind of game, to extent that they became boring, predictable... crowd is crawing for some change, for something different.

 

[Deleted member 15555]

What ntr? There's no such things in this game nor will be. Who asked for it? Did I missed some posts? What was asked is not to change current girls into virgins who worships only MC. If he's going to add some of those later, go on, good, but was asked to leave those as they are. It's good to have some of each kind, it gives variety for all tastes and provides game to be somewhat realistic, rather than "Oh, MC my only god of sex, only you exists in this world" ridiculous fairytale. There are already more than enough of those kind of game, to extent that they became boring, predictable... crowd is crawing for some change, for something different.

I said you play lots of ntr games not that you asked for it, so I was not surprised to see you not minding the girls being whores or cheating on the mc.
You said is okey for a romance vn game to have such girls, well let me tell you is not ,
Romance games are more vanilla and it should stay that way, I doubt anyone that likes non ntr will like to romance girls like that in the game.
And no, "realistic" doesn't mean that the girls have to be fucking everyone or that they have to be cheating bitches either.

 

[Idontknowme]

I said you play lots of ntr games not that you asked for it, so I was not surprised to see you not minding the girls being whores or cheating on the mc.
You said is okey for a romance vn game to have such girls, well let me tell you is not ,
Romance games are more vanilla and it should stay that way, I doubt anyone that likes non ntr will like to romance girls like that in the game.
And no, "realistic" doesn't mean that the girls have to be fucking everyone or that they have to be cheating bitches either.

There has been no ntr in the game yet. You are not invested in any of the women when they are introduced. Imagine thinking that ALL women who turn up to college are innocent virgins! If a particular woman is not to your liking don't pursue her.

And btw, realistic does imply that different women will have different attitudes to sex and romance. Romance with a committed woman is still romance.

 

[Deleted member 15555]

There has been no ntr in the game yet. You are not invested in any of the women when they are introduced. Imagine thinking that ALL women who turn up to college are innocent virgins! If a particular woman is not to your liking don't pursue her.

And btw, realistic does imply that different women will have different attitudes to sex and romance. Romance with a committed woman is still romance.

what does that have to do with anything, I'm saying that is less likely to someone fall in love with a LI that is a whore or described as a cheating ex- GF rather than someone we don't see ever having sex in the game, or someone the mc had a relationship in the past and hurted him by cheating on him, Im not saying the girls have to be virgins but those thing will be better off not shown to the players or they may end up disliking those girls, I'm saying is unlikely in a romance game to have a Li shown like that or described like the GF and people liking them afterward, I'm pretty sure even in his patreon some may have expressed the same thing.
To put an example not many liked Anna in Acting lessons because of what she did to the mc, in this game that same thing is bound to happen with ex-GF, and that other girl we see already fucking will put off others too from ever romancing her..
and the less Li's people like in a game the less likely they will be when going to support it with $.

 

[Idontknowme]

what does that have to do with anything, I'm saying that is less likely to someone fall in love with a LI that is a whore or described as a cheating ex- GF rather than someone we don't see ever having sex in the game, or someone the mc had a relationship in the past and hurted him by cheating on him, Im not saying the girls have to be virgins but those thing will be better off not shown to the players or they may end up disliking those girls, I'm saying is unlikely in a romance game to have a Li shown like that or described like the GF and people liking them afterward, I'm pretty sure even in his patreon some may have expressed the same thing.
To put an example not many liked Anna in Acting lessons because of what she did to the mc, in this game that same thing is bound to happen with ex-GF, and that other girl we see already fucking will put off others too from ever romancing her..
and the less Li's people like in a game the less likely they will be when going to support it with $.

Obviously the choice to do so exists with the dev. They will make what sells. Doesn't change the fact that the attitude displayed is a problematic one.

The story has just started. We only have MC's words for the fact that his ex cheated. There is no evidence of the fact that he witnessed it. He could be wrong. But just the possibility of another penis in her vagina is enough for you to swear off her. The other girl in question is open-minded about sex. Some people think sex and love are linked. Some don't. And people find kindred spirits that fit them.

Also in AL Anna was not an LI just an end-game possibility. She was not intended to be likeable. You have college dramas with female npcs that are virgins in all but name. Like AL you stated above, DPC's follow up game features 2 lesbians, a girl in a relationship whose bf wont fuck her, a girl whose husband is missing for two years and a girl who is a virgin. This is toothless. This has no conflict so you have to conjure conflict from other unlikely sources. And conflict is at the heart of storytelling. Two men fighting for the affections of a woman is much more likely source of conflict than all college going girls not having engaged in sex or never cheated.

 

[Deleted member 15555]

But just the possibility of another penis in her vagina is enough for you to swear off her.

for me romance has to come off as platonic mostly, having a girl betray the mc by cheating on him is not only another penis in her vagina and as for the other one, she has too many in her vagina already, and having to witness that doesn't help her either for me to get any kind of romantic feeling towards her.

The story has just started. We only have MC's words for the fact that his ex cheated. There is no evidence of the fact that he witnessed it.

it doesn't matter if he witnesses it or not, that won't change my opinion of a cheater.

Two men fighting for the affections of a woman is much more likely source of conflict than all college going girls not having engaged in sex or never cheated.

that's cheap conflict to me, there is always other and better option than label characters like that just for drama, but you do yours.
And is unlikely the mc is wrong going by the strong "fuck off" when we reply to her.
If the mc did not witness she cheated or was in doubt he won't tell her off that strongly.