VN Ren'Py College of Mysteria [v0.10] [HappySteveGames]

[JarrenBlake]

The content between them is what attracted me most, followed by Monique Will. Hmm, the developer could give options for that. I'm not a fan, but if it's with Eustice, I would try it because I like that character, and we all know he's perfect for sharing NTS. As for Penelope and Monique...I'm more like the fox.

If I had to choose between her and Cindy, I'd steal the little fox for Will.

Which content attracted you the most? Cindy/Eustice or Cindy/Will?

Currently I would not want any content developed for NTR. Not because I hate it, but because the Dev resources already seemed strained that certain content is being de-emphasized. So would not want to add even more onto that plate. Especially hard NTR which would require the base plot to be authored completely differently. If once finished or a a point that such would not lead to losses in other areas or longer dev cycles, then I would be fine with it as optional. I probably would avoid it as it would require the character's personality to hard shift.

 

[dexterousgecko]

I also do see the occasional stray comment that wants the Eustice Cindy stuff to go NTR.

That would pretty much kill the entire premise of the game for me. Although knowing devs, I have a feeling they'll try to throw in some pointless drama/cliff hangers just to entice the NTR fans.

 

[Ass Fan]

Which content attracted you the most? Cindy/Eustice or Cindy/Will?

Currently I would not want any content developed for NTR. Not because I hate it, but because the Dev resources already seemed strained that certain content is being de-emphasized. So would not want to add even more onto that plate. Especially hard NTR which would require the base plot to be authored completely differently. If once finished or a a point that such would not lead to losses in other areas or longer dev cycles, then I would be fine with it as optional. I probably would avoid it as it would require the character's personality to hard shift.

Cindy and Eustice. But don't worry, I agree. I only said if he wants to "put it in". It would only work with Eustice. But speaking for myself, I like it the way it is. If I were the developer, I wouldn't change anything and if some backers want that content, he can just make a DLC when the game is finished.

If Happy decides on an NTR branch, I won't worry, we'll have options just like we have in sharing Cindy or not.

Edit:
But also a good excuse for me to get rid of Cindy and steal Monique from Eustice.
Yes, I liked her more than the main LI.

 

[JarrenBlake]

Cindy and Eustice. But don't worry, I agree. I only said if he wants to "put it in". It would only work with Eustice. But speaking for myself, I like it the way it is. If I were the developer, I wouldn't change anything and if some backers want that content, he can just make a DLC when the game is finished.

If Happy decides on an NTR branch, I won't worry, we'll have options just like we have in sharing Cindy or not.

Edit:
But also a good excuse for me to get rid of Cindy and steal Monique from Eustice.
Yes, I liked her more than the main LI.

Very interesting. You and I are almost complete opposites on that particular issue (Couple pairings) and I love it! LOL Gonna enjoy this convo in a week or so. I recently, via an intervention by a former VN writer friend of mine, came to realize that I for the first time enjoy the main LI couple (absent disfunction and drama). I really do like Will and Cindy together as her being a cuckqueen for him was refreshing. It was not until last update prior to the recent one (.10 - Audrey update) that I realized this fact though. Because my main component of this VN has been the Netori aspect since it is not often done. Cindy/Eustice is just a thing (for me) due to currently lack of other options for the role he fills. I would love to see Will steal Monique, but not as a trade for Cindy. That kills the Netori dynamic for me. For my Netori with NTS playthrough I would mostly keep them as a swing group. In the Netori without sharing PT I would enjoy Will stealing Monique. I doubt that level of choice and customization of routes will ever be a thing though.

I agree that choice is king. I am fine with anything as long as there is choice. My prior point is still my main concern, dev resources to produce said routes while not reducing others or expanding development time. As shown above, the already existing Netori/NTS routes have so much diversity that could be introduced in and of themselves. Not to mention that as it stands is I feel the Cindy/Will relationship must continue to be shown on screen and cannot be background/text only to 'make room for other things'. Planned to do a review on here of the latest update that touches upon said point as well, as .11 actually touches on how some of this can be handled but also introduces a lot of potential down the line hurdles.

 

[JarrenBlake]

That would pretty much kill the entire premise of the game for me. Although knowing devs, I have a feeling they'll try to throw in some pointless drama/cliff hangers just to entice the NTR fans.

Interesting. What is the main premise of the game that you enjoy?

As to the drama. It is a common occurrence, sometimes intended/sometimes by accident, but so far this VN has been good about not doing such. But I will say that is it a sometimes difficult thing for Devs to manage because people read into things more heavily than intended or dismiss things more easily than expected. Aka some folks just look and remember the things that fuel your POV/wants.

This is especially true of games that attempt NTS, which gets interpreted so broadly. I instead prefer focusing on more specific kinks such as Sharing, Swinging, and Exhibitionism. But basically in NTS games you have a stereotypical male MC and then what I see is a lean into corruption on the part of the FMC/FLI. Author makes the Mc "Love watching his girl with other men and loves her going out on her own to be with other men". This means the MC cannot be "cheated on" and gives the female character the freedom to do what she wants. The typical justification and intent is that they will both see it as hot, tease each other and that it all improves the relationship of the main couple as they come back together. Rarely work that way though.

IMO for VNs that do not intend to show strain on the primary relationship but accidentally do. The primary issues sometimes center on not building around perceptions. Corruption is read as emotional cheating and it is the audience interpretation/perception of such, not the written MC reaction which matters most. Secondly Devs typically lose sight of the main couple to focus on the other partners, not taking into account what you 'show' is what matters. So if you mainly show a character with other partners, then that is who that character prefers. No amount words will change that perception. So the sexual relationship of the alternate pairs is seen as being the more important relationship because you never see 'how' it improves the sex life of the main pair and how they prefer each other as primary sexual partners. So now you have drama within the audience as sides via for their "view" of the relationships to be the right one. And you have cliffhangers because the VN ends without the main couple coming back together in a meaningful way and 'showing' you how their relationship is stronger.

 

[dnylive]

Interesting. What is the main premise of the game that you enjoy?

As to the drama. It is a common occurrence, sometimes intended/sometimes by accident, but so far this VN has been good about not doing such. But I will say that is it a sometimes difficult thing for Devs to manage because people read into things more heavily than intended or dismiss things more easily than expected. Aka some folks just look and remember the things that fuel your POV/wants.

This is especially true of games that attempt NTS, which gets interpreted so broadly. I instead prefer focusing on more specific kinks such as Sharing, Swinging, and Exhibitionism. But basically in NTS games you have a stereotypical male MC and then what I see is a lean into corruption on the part of the FMC/FLI. Author makes the Mc "Love watching her girl with other men and loves her going out on her own to be with other men". This means the MC cannot be "cheated on" and give the female character the freedom to do what she wants. The typically justification and intent is that they will both see it as hot, tease each other and that it all improves the relationship of the main couple as the come back together. Rarely work that was though.

IMO for VNs that do not intend to show strain on the primary relationship but accidentally do. The primary issues sometimes center on not building around perceptions. Corruption is read as emotional cheating and it is the audience interpretation/perception of such, not the written MC reaction which matters most. Secondly Devs typically lose sight of the main couple to focus on the other partners, not taking into account what you 'show' is what matters. So if you mainly show a character with other partners, then that is who that character prefers. No amount words will change that perception. So the sexual relationship of the alternate pairs is seen as being the more important relationship because you never see 'how' it improves the sex life of the main pair and how they prefer each other as primary sexual partners. So now you have drama within the audience as sides via for their "view" of the relationships to be the right one. And you have cliffhangers because the VN ends without the main couple coming back together in a meaningful way and 'showing' you how their relationship is stronger.

Not directed at me but since i liked to og comment
The premise that's a Netori game, where you're the one stealing girls and not have your girl(s) stolen or cheating on you (apart from NTS (which is avoidable)).

 

[JarrenBlake]

Not directed at me but since i liked to og comment
The premise that's a Netori game, where you're the one stealing girls and not have your girl(s) stolen or cheating on you (apart from NTS (which is avoidable)).

Cool deal. Like I said, I like to hear what folks enjoy whether similar or diff to my own.

I also like the Netori aspect and hope it gets played up more. I feel that is what separates this game from others. An MC that is a bit of a bull (does not have to be played as liking his girl with others), that is doing the stealing/corruption. I also enjoy that the main Female LI is central in the stealing/corruption of said girls. Hence my draw to the main couple. My main PT tries to balance the NTI with a bit of limited swinging (not sharing).

 

[dexterousgecko]

Author makes the Mc "Love watching her girl with other men and loves her going out on her own to be with other men". This means the MC cannot be "cheated on" and give the female character the freedom to do what she wants. The typically justification and intent is that they will both see it as hot, tease each other and that it all improves the relationship of the main couple as the come back together. Rarely work that was though.

Yea, this is what I hate, it very much ends up being author inserts a single comment of MC saying "yea, this is great" as an excuse for the girl just banging anything and everything. As soon as Cindy either A) gets with a guy without the MC there, B) MC is humiliated while Cindy is taken, or C) Cindy is dominated by another male not MC, that's when I'll likely move on because it goes so against the relationship that has been built up and the idea that was put forward initially.

 

[Ass Fan]

Very interesting. You and I are almost complete opposites on that particular issue (Couple pairings) and I love it! LOL Gonna enjoy this convo in a week or so. I recently, via an intervention by a former VN writer friend of mine, came to realize that I for the first time enjoy the main LI couple (absent disfunction and drama). I really do like Will and Cindy together as her being a cuckqueen for him was refreshing. It was not until last update prior to the recent one (.10 - Audrey update) that I realized this fact though. Because my main component of this VN has been the Netori aspect since it is not often done. Cindy/Eustice is just a thing (for me) due to currently lack of other options for the role he fills. I would love to see Will steal Monique, but not as a trade for Cindy. That kills the Netori dynamic for me. For my Netori with NTS playthrough I would mostly keep them as a swing group. In the Netori without sharing PT I would enjoy Will stealing Monique. I doubt that level of choice and customization of routes will ever be a thing though.

I agree that choice is king. I am fine with anything as long as there is choice. My prior point is still my main concern, dev resources to produce said routes while not reducing others or expanding development time. As shown above, the already existing Netori/NTS routes have so much diversity that could be introduced in and of themselves. Not to mention that as it stands is I feel the Cindy/Will relationship must continue to be shown on screen and cannot be background/text only to 'make room for other things'. Planned to do a review on here of the latest update that touches upon said point as well, as .11 actually touches on how some of this can be handled but also introduces a lot of potential down the line hurdles.

I love that too, hahaha
The four of them make an excellent swapping couple.
Cindy being a cuckqueen is the best part. And we're not the only ones, many here must have the same fetish.
I understand, it's good content. I actually like it, but after Wendy I lost interest a bit, I prefer NTS now.
Will stealing Monique is my goal, and in the end I still have that little bit of longing for netori. XD
Your netori move is a good idea to keep them, I would do something similar.

Yes, options are what make the player happy. And here we have plenty. I understand your concern, especially since you're starting to experience delays, problems, etc.
I understand your concern. It may be that even though I like the fox, the relationship between Will and Cindy is essential and continues to be shown on screen.
I have to play to see.

 

[JarrenBlake]

I understand, it's good content. I actually like it, but after Wendy I lost interest a bit, I prefer NTS now.

Hmm what did you come to dislike, the Netori aspect or something else? How did the Wendy that caused you to dislike it?

Yes, options are what make the player happy. And here we have plenty. I understand your concern, especially since you're starting to experience delays, problems, etc.
I understand your concern. It may be that even though I like the fox, the relationship between Will and Cindy is essential and continues to be shown on screen.

Thankfully we have not had much in the way of delays. And this game is one of my favorites and one of the very few I actively support. So, saying I like it a lot is an understatement, which is why I show it as well.

But yeah Will and Cindy is central for me because they make the NTS and NTI work. When they are weak, NTS is just a slow build up for cheating/betrayal and the NTI is made far less unique cause you have a cuckqueen that is just words of dialogue. And there is no way for that pair to be strong if they are reduced to "Cindy gets enough of me so she likes to share". That works as well as "I like to share Cindy with my friend Eustice" but never having the actual scenes of such(Or make them of poorer quality/focus).

 

[Ass Fan]

Hmm what did you come to dislike, the Netori aspect or something else? How did the Wendy that caused you to dislike it?



Thankfully we have not had much in the way of delays. And this game is one of my favorites and one of the very few I actively support. So, saying I like it a lot is an understatement, which is why I show it as well.

But yeah Will and Cindy is central for me because they make the NTS and NTI work. When they are weak, NTS is just a slow build up for cheating/betrayal and the NTI is made far less unique cause you have a cuckqueen that is just words of dialogue. And there is no way for that pair to be strong if they are reduced to "Cindy gets enough of me so she likes to share". That works as well as "I like to share Cindy with my friend Eustice" but never having the actual scenes of such(Or make them of poorer quality/focus).

To hate wouldn't be the case, especially since I want to steal Monique.
I just didn't like how that scene in the tavern happened. There were changes, but I wanted Wendy exclusively for Will.

That's fine with me too.

Truthfully, both work; you follow a cool path, but I want to prove everything with Cindy and Will. Monique Eustice NTS NTI is never enough.

 

[JarrenBlake]

I just didn't like how that scene in the tavern happened. There were changes, but I wanted Wendy exclusively for Will.

It was a divisive moment. The Dev always stated that Cindy was the only one that was protected. But I think they underestimated how some LIs would engender that same want. I think it is about who the LIS were prior to getting with Will. LIs that do not have a history of sleeping around prior to getting with Will, suddenly going slut mode, will shock the senses. Wendy was also one of the first LIs you meet. I think Audrey and maybe Elise in the future will engender the same or similar responses should they go slut with no prompt to stop such. Whereas Monique and Lilly have BFs, so them with their BF probably bothers no one. Penelope is obviously with other men already and no one bated an eye at Grace working the Tavern as she was already doing such.

That said, I would actually like the option to move more of the side girls into the NTS space now and as this builds. Currently I feel it is too much of the "Cindy with other people" route. I mean, how the heck does Lizzy have a lower body count than Cindy and Wendy lol.

 

[Ass Fan]

It was a divisive moment. The Dev always stated that Cindy was the only one that was protected. But I think they underestimated how some LIs would engender that same want. I think it is about who the LIS were prior to getting with Will. LIs that do not have a history of sleeping around prior to getting with Will, suddenly going slut mode, will shock the senses. Wendy was also one of the first LIs you meet. I think Audrey and maybe Elise in the future will engender the same or similar responses should they go slut with no prompt to stop such. Whereas Monique and Lilly have BFs, so them with their BF probably bothers no one. Penelope is obviously with other men already and no one bated an eye at Grace working the Tavern as she was already doing such.

That said, I would actually like the option to move more of the side girls into the NTS space now and as this builds. Currently I feel it is too much of the "Cindy with other people" route. I mean, how the heck does Lizzy have a lower body count than Cindy and Wendy lol.

Yes, there were some members complaining. It happens, I've seen it in other games, it's not the first time and it won't be the last. Cindy remained untouched until she reached the glory hole, but that's all in the past now. XD
Honestly, I was surprised when it happened. I already knew Wendy had a fan club, but I didn't expect so many people.
And that was the problem, Wendy wasn't... The important thing is that it's already been resolved.
That's why I was upset, we've known her since the beginning.
It was shocking to see her act like a slut so quickly. Even after Dev explained why she did it, I was still incredulous.
Of the girls who have husbands/boyfriends, I didn't care, and even less about some of the sluts, while Wendy has a husband, Fred. But she was different; he didn't touch her anymore.


More options are always welcome. We already have a good number of female characters. I love the Cindy/MC + Eustice content. However, focusing a bit on other secondary characters will also bring more fun. Cindy will continue to be number 1.

Cindy can occasionally make room for others by being a good "CuckQueen girlfriend". Haha, yeah, I was funny, Lizzy, I need a little more attention. Anyway, that's it, now waiting for the next update.