Come on devs :/

[Interesting_name82]

Now, there is that 1 thing that bothers me in most games (almost all of them of not all)

Which is:

Female characters being OK with lewd actions and fuckies out of the blue

I mean if anyone tried to show his sister/mother his dick "accidentally" (hopefully knows how to accidental it) his sister/mother isn't going to just say "Oh bro/son I understand men and their sexual desires and how they can't control it, here let me give you a hand"

The realistic respond you will get is "get the fuck out with your fucking dick" (or something like that) generally they will tell you to get out asap and probably be disgusted

And then again (in games) almost all women "surprisingly" like the MC and start to having desires towrds him, which for some reason didn't happen before

Look, I'm ok for you to make sex scenes for everyone in the game (prior to your audience and such) but come on, MAKE them at least decent not just "oh I didn't expect your dick to be this huge, and now im in love with you..., come fuck me fast plz)

(BTW Sorry for bad english)

 

[polywog]

when a woman is "in heat" a certain time of the month when she's ovulating... she might jump a dirty bum in the park and fuck his brains out. she can't help it, it's biological. you won't know, unless you mark your calendar bro, coulda been you that she used

 

[おい！]

Reality in porn?

 

[morphnet]

nano-bot mind control, aliens, furry, superpowers, games are not meant to be realistic they are fantasy and the dev's for the most part are following tried and true recipes.
Just search pizza delivery in a porn search engine, i'm pretty sure that is not how you deliver a pizza.
Porn is meant to be a way to enjoy yourself and your fantasies.

Also your example is very narrow, nudist families for example would not say "get the fuck out with your fucking dick" (or something like that) or be disgusted. It's not fair to blame all dev's you not catering to your tastes, instead make a request thread asking for the traits / storyline you are looking for.

hope this helps

 

[Eoin]

People making a porn game aren't trying to be realistic. What it is now is basically an off-shoot of porn (like those life-selector games).

If devs were to make an incest game where the female/male family members were disgusted at the fact that the PC (player character) was making advances on them, then it would be a pretty shitty porn game, as there'd be no actual 'porn'.

I guess they could make a few concessions, say sibling has a crush or something on the PC, PC realises and takes advantage (and trying to keep un-noticed by the parent(s) under threat of being thrown out), then yes, there would be some realism added to the games.

Sorry for the mini rant.

 

[DarthSeduction]

For everyone criticizing on the grounds of realism that argument is bullshit and you know it. The issue here isn't that it's unrealistic, it's that it's unearned. Even a fantasy universe needs to have rules. If you create a universe that, for all intents and purposes is like our world, and then all of the sudden it doesn't act like our world, without earning that thing that doesn't act the way it should, you're going to take your audience out of whatever you're building.

In the case of what OP is specifically calling out, there are ways to have that cake and eat it too. You need to introduce us to it slowly though. Maybe your character's family is very sex positive/new agey. You can show us a scene where they talk about sex in relatively normal terms, as if it's not at all strange for family members to do so. And then, if the "surprise, you get to see my tumorous dick" scene comes, you've set up a world and group of characters capable of seeing sex in a completely rational way.

OP isn't saying "Don't make the sex happen". They're saying "Make me believe the sex that is happening."

 

[polywog]

rather than taking the negative approach, telling others what they should do, an how they should act.
try using honey instead of vinegar. be all sweet like and say...

I would really like to have game developers explain things to me better in their games
why does the landlady not wear her panties the second week of each month and bend over a lot in front of males?
the dev might respond and add walls of text explaining the birds and the bees, biology, anatomy, psychology, physiology, sociology
and lots of players would be like "wow" so that's how it works, and they each would tell ten friends and the dev would make big money on patree as a sex guru. "will give sex advice, and answer difficult questions for my $20 tier scribers."

 

[Zippity]

Wow, a lot of poor outlooks on women in this thread... Stereotyping how women really are, is a bit much, and just shows a lack of experience in how the real world really is...

But to the actual point of this thread... You'll find that much of the time, as most developers are either new at development, or have little to no experience writing/developing quality products, you have this tendency for stereotypes and cheap scenarios to be used over and over again by varying developers... There are lots of copy cats, or people riding on the coat tails of other projects, and basically not a lot of original thinking... Now do not get me wrong, there are plenty of developers that are doing good and coming up with some creative ideas and original stuff... But because it's an amateur developer driven market, you see a lot of overuse of various scenarios, character stereotypes, and concepts... Sometimes it's just easier for a developer to use crap they've seen and read before, over coming up with something original... There are many varying reasons why you get so many VN/Games with highly unrealistic portrayals of characters, scenes, and plot devices...

But there are diamonds in the ruff... It's just hard sometimes to weed through the sea, in order to find them... And not all unrealistic VN/Games are terrible... Some are fine for what they are... And not all folks are seeking the same things, so in some ways it works out and in some ways it doesn't...

What I typically hate, is when the immersion is not there, or when it's inconsistent... And I also hate it when folks categorize all Erotic/Sexual/Adult themed visual novels and games as just baseline porn... It's like calling all Romance Novels just trash novels... It's just people being lazy, thinking they are all the same... When that really isn't the case...

Anyways, there are plenty of VN/Games that take a more realistic approach to their plots and story telling, you just need to keep looking... But I can tell you, based off your example, if all you're looking for is realistic incest themed VN/Games... The unrealistic incest ones tend to be the most overused, cliché, and stereotyped VN/Games on the market... So don't expect to run into any, if they even exist, that are more realistic in either their dialogue, plot, or story telling...

Zip

 

[Winterfire]

*I have not read the replies so excuse me if someone already pointed this out*

As a game developer I have often consider realism vs fun, more often than not a good game puts fun before realism.
It would be realistic in an incest scenario for the mother to act like that and perhaps after many lengthy days get a handjob at most which she might regret the day later but how many people want to stand in front wall of text/grind/whatever the game is for just one and possibly last handjob for the sake of realism?

I have made a VN in the past and to save time to the player I kind of "teleported" him around by describing he traveled or did x in a few sentences, I could have been more descriptive or even more realistic (in both my past and current game) but do I want to make something realistic or something fun? I want to give as many hentai scenes in as much less time as possible because this is my idea of a fun game, I know this concept my differ from developer to developer or even from player to player but in most scenarios, realism is not fun.

-edit-
Another example of Realism vs Fun are 2D games, ever wondered why pokemon maps are so small even for cities that are supposed to be big? Because no one likes to wak around in giant maps, which is a problem often pointed out in RPGM games.
Having a big city is realistic but having to walk around it is not fun.

 

[Joshua Tree]

*I have not read the replies so excuse me if someone already pointed this out*

As a game developer I have often consider realism vs fun, more often than not a good game puts fun before realism.
It would be realistic in an incest scenario for the mother to act like that and perhaps after many lengthy days get a handjob at most which she might regret the day later but how many people want to stand in front wall of text/grind/whatever the game is for just one and possibly last handjob for the sake of realism?

If you want to mix fun and realism. If the mc accidentally (or intentionally) flash his dick at like his mom. Have his mom tease him about it, maybe even repeatedly. Which in turn could edge the mc to take it to next level (no, not forcefully ram the banana up her twinkie). Make it into a sparring match that over time, would/could break down barriers. This wouldn't work if the protags mom was a stiff prude though. You would probably need something like "kathryn hahn's" role in the "bad moms" movies.



Every action should have a re-action and a consequence imho. Most incest themed games/stories doesn't have any inner conflict, or even a realistic gradual progress. A grind where you massage someone daily for a set amount of time, doesn't count!

 

[Winterfire]

That's green arrow from smallville!

 

[Joshua Tree]

That's green arrow from smallville!

Yeah well, not my fault youtube put his face first in the clip, lol. Play it to see the actual Kathryn Hahn.

 

[freedom.call]

I prefer to avoid realism, I have that outside the games. Having said that I prefer stories that resemble something real, games like Our Fate to name one.

I wish there were more games with adult MCs, not in school. Not sure if school setting is really popular with players or if there's simply an abundance of models in that segment. I'd guess the majority of people on F95Z are done with school.

 

[8873672413434]

The thing you need to realise is people complain about their being no sex in the first couple of updates for example. If you want "realism" as you said, you'd be waiting for a lot of updates for the sex scenes. A lot of people here get impatient after 1 update. Do you really think they can last more? C'mon now, be realistic.

 

[anonnom]

i hear ya Interesting_name82.

JAB is a good example. open sex in public with no risk or reaction.
a father plowing his daughter in front of the mother with no reaction. Zzzzzz

risk and consequences are important to me. even in a fantasy game, video, comic etc.

[edit] thread derail. unsubscribed

 

[Snarkfu]

The thing you need to realise is people complain about their being no sex in the first couple of updates for example. If you want "realism" as you said, you'd be waiting for a lot of updates for the sex scenes. A lot of people here get impatient after 1 update. Do you really think they can last more? C'mon now, be realistic.

They can but you'd have to have a really engaging story to manage it, nobody watches porn films to find out what was wrong with the washing machine and this is essentially a porn site.

Add to that the waryness most people (rightfully) have about new releases given the pile of abandoned games you need to hook people in and we come here for pretty much one thing.

E: Although if someone wants to create a farcry-esque intro where the game ends in five minutes if you figure out there's sock in the outflow pipe I would be totally behind that.

 

[whiskeyrose]

Female characters being OK with lewd actions and fuckies out of the blue

I mean if anyone tried to show his sister/mother his dick "accidentally" (hopefully knows how to accidental it) his sister/mother isn't going to just say "Oh bro/son I understand men and their sexual desires and how they can't control it, here let me give you a hand"

If you're going to put out a daz3d 0.1 renpy game you don't have time to decently write characters or actually make the project some kind of game.

But yeah, it's dumb and shows that the dev likely hasn't had meaningful interactions with women before. But also at the same time you have a suspension of disbelief for a lewd game to actually work.

 

[Fitzgerald]

They can but you'd have to have a really engaging story to manage it, nobody watches porn films to find out what was wrong with the washing machine and this is essentially a porn site.

Add to that the waryness most people (rightfully) have about new releases given the pile of abandoned games you need to hook people in and we come here for pretty much one thing.

E: Although if someone wants to create a farcry-esque intro where the game ends in five minutes if you figure out there's sock in the outflow pipe I would be totally behind that.

Counterpoint: there are games that have managed it. The Last Sovereign is sub-par as a masturbatory aid, but damn if it's not a compelling story and a solid game in two genres, resource management and RPG. Noxian Nights is a good mix of smut and story. Many slave management games are initially light on the smut and heavy on the gameplay, requiring varying amounts of progress before unlocking the porn.

Even something like Pokemon Ecchi Version, which is unapologetic about being a porn game, takes the time to establish that yes, all this casual sex is normal, and reinforces that throughout the game.

 

[polywog]

i hear ya Interesting_name82.

JAB is a good example. open sex in public with no risk or reaction.
a father plowing his daughter in front of the mother with no reaction. Zzzzzz

risk and consequences are important to me. even in a fantasy game, video, comic etc.

I lived in South America in the late 60s early 70s people were very sexual back then. Every night there were parties in the streets and sex going on everywhere. An average income family had a maid. Sisters tried to steal each other's boyfriends. It was very different than the way most places are today. If a girl wasn't married by the time she was 16, she would a) become a nun b) become a maid c)throw herself in a volcano. JAB Comix aren't so unrealistic, they are just based on a previous era.
Not incest... but a normal guy plowing a daughter in front of her mother happened every day. The mother encouraged it, and pretended she wasn't paying attention.

 

[DarthSeduction]

@Winterfire

I read your post and find that I don't like how you are using "realism". And I can't tell if people who do this are being intentionally dense or what, but what people are asking for when they ask for realism in media isn't for things to be as mundane and boring as reality, but for the developer to take the time to establish the reality of their world. If your characters are the "Oh you have a boner, let me help you take care of that type" they have to consistently be that type. I know you didn't read the comments before posting, but both myself and another user provided Nudists and new age sex positivity as lenses through which a character could be written who might be less averse to dicks, and maybe even open enough to help. Other ideas, you could write an older sister character in the Ara Ara One-san archetype, to where she'd see helping you through this as a way to both service her desires and have a certain power over you through sex. When someone has a problem with realism they aren't saying your work isn't a perfect reflection of reality, they're saying it doesn't take the time to make us believe what is happening.

@Joshua Tree

That, exactly, is what I'm trying to say. Craft a character who we can believe would take this action, and we'll follow you down the rabbit hole.

@freedom.call

You're falling into the same trap I'm trying to talk about here too. Realism =/ create a perfect mirror of reality. It means, make me believe where I am. Waifu Academy is an over the top insane world, but, I believe it, it has realism. Meanwhile, I find myself taken out of games like Big Brother and Man of the House which have more grounded realities, and then violate the rules of their established realities.

@Obsidu

My game starts on a believable sex scene. What people want is to maintain suspension of disbelief. Make us believe that something can happen in your world and we won't be taken aback when it does. Having the prudish mother character suddenly salivate at the thought of your dick without justifying it in any way is literally making your dick into a deus ex machina.