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does any know any console commands to rename mc since im using a chapter 10 save from someone since non of my save works ? nvm it swapped my name from my old save when i uploaded lmao but still would be nice to know if anybody does know console commands for name changing and if it works on all renpy or certain ones
 

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does any know any console commands to rename mc since im using a chapter 10 save from someone since non of my save works ? nvm it swapped my name from my old save when i uploaded lmao but still would be nice to know if anybody does know console commands for name changing and if it works on all renpy or certain ones
You can do that with URM (Universal Ren'PY Mod), works on every games
 

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OMG why not help Modders first and get help in result? Ohhh No idea sharing for free no ideas give away Only money in view or how can i see it?
 

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i love how the two Devs contradict each other where on Gary patreon he says he accepted the job out of pity and not for the money but then Berkili says he accepted cause of the money Lmao.
 

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Hello everyone. Im new and just started playing and i am conflicted if should I join the Brotherhood or no i dont see any walkhrough the mod is not working for me. ty for the help
 

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Accepting The General's offer more convenient, than not, in the long run. But do not be discouraged to reject it, if you not feel like it. It is all purpose of VN, does it not?
 

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Here is a question from chapter ten that I would like to get others opinion on. We have seen from prevous chapters (like in the subway station after the fight with Matt) that dark ones can be low on energy but they can recover that energy over a period of time. So, my question is this, what exactly happened with between Noel, Irisa, and Bridgette? Do you think Noel actually took Irisa from Bridgette or did she simply take all of her energy? Also, if Noel did just take her energy, why could Bridgette still not feel her long after the fight was over? Do you think lesser dark ones just take an inordinate amount of time to recover energy? The reason I ask is because the game describes it both ways in differnt locations in the game.
 

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Here is a question from chapter ten that I would like to get others opinion on. We have seen from prevous chapters (like in the subway station after the fight with Matt) that dark ones can be low on energy but they can recover that energy over a period of time. So, my question is this, what exactly happened with between Noel, Irisa, and Bridgette? Do you think Noel actually took Irisa from Bridgette or did she simply take all of her energy? Also, if Noel did just take her energy, why could Bridgette still not feel her long after the fight was over? Do you think lesser dark ones just take an inordinate amount of time to recover energy? The reason I ask is because the game describes it both ways in differnt locations in the game.
As i understand it: The dark ones have/need engergy which they obtain via leeching emotions (or fucking i guess but thats maybe the emotions too).

Pretty sure Irisas energy was just set to zero which seems like barely existing anymore, we have no clue how long it would have needed to recover that, considering Dark ones being Immortal it could have very well been taken longer than Bridgettes whole life, who knows. Dark Ones usually dont fight each other so this is probably a rare occasion.

So yeah imo she simply took all of her energy but thats a big deal and Dark Ones usually dont deplete themself to zero. I think she didnt felt her, because she barely existed.

If Noel would have completly absorbed/killed Irisia, she wouldnt be able to "give her back", dark ones cant own/bond/store other dark ones, just their energy (Nael of course being the expection like always).
 
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As i understand it: The dark ones have/need engergy which they obtain via leeching emotions (or fucking i guess but thats maybe the emotions too).

Pretty sure Irisas energy was just set to zero which seems like barely existing anymore, we have no clue how long it would have needed to recover that, considering Dark ones being Immortal it could have very well been taken longer than Bridgettes whole life, who knows. Dark Ones usually dont fight each other so this is probably a rare occasion.

So yeah imo she simpy took all of her engery but thats a big deal and Dark Ones usually dont deplete themself to zero. I think she didnt felt her, because she barely existed.

I Noel would have completly absorbed/killed Irisia, she wouldnt be able to "give her back", dark ones cant own/bond/store other dark ones, just their energy (Nael of course being the expection like always).
I'm inclined to agree with you. The only thing that confuses me about it and makes me think there may be more to the situation is that this is the first time we see a dark one using the powers of another dark one after feeding on them. Noel gains the ability to create pocket dimensions after taking Irisa's energy. That is unless Arsa's ability to fly comes from Tessah. That is the only other situation I can think of where an ability may have transfered but I'm not sure if Arsa could already fly before she adsorbed Tessah. It would make sense if Arsa could fly before adsorbing Tessah though. How else could she and Emma have made it to the congress so quickly otherwise.

Edit: I thought I rememberd somewhere that Arsa said she couldn't fly and I went back and read where Arsa and Emma bonded and she did indeed say that she was unable to fly. That means that her and Emma's ability to fly comes from Tessah which means that adsorbing a dark one with a unique ability like flight does transfer that ability. Good to know and kind of sad that Noel won't be able to create pocket dimensions anymore.
 
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I'm inclined to agree with you. The only thing that confuses me about it and makes me think there may be more to the situation is that this is the first time we see a dark one using the powers of another dark one after feeding on them. Noel gains the ability to create pocket dimensions after taking Irisa's energy. That is unless Arsa's ability to fly comes from Tessah. That is the only other situation I can think of where an ability may have transfered but I'm not sure if Arsa could already fly before she absorbed Tessah. It would make sense if Arsa could fly before absorbing Tessah though. How else could she and Emma have made it to the congress so quickly otherwise.

Edit: I thought I rememberd somewhere that Arsa said she couldn't fly and I went back and read where Arsa and Emma bonded and she did indeed say that she was unable to fly. That means that her and Emma's ability to fly comes from Tessah which means that absorbing a dark one with a unique ability like flight does transfer that ability. Good to know and kind of sad that Noel won't be able to create pocket dimensions anymore.
Hmmm, i dont think so? Are you 100% sure about the flying part?

As i remember it Arsa said she couldnt fly but float and its still the same thing she does. More of a technicality i think as floating with the use of lots of energy (heat?) kinda equals flying. And was Tessahs flying even a ability or simply her body, she had wings after all ... or does her "human" body manifest wings because she has the fly ability? Questions over questions.

I thought you always get the abilitys of a dark one bonded to you, otherwise our mc should have lots of different abilitys at this point, he killed quite some companions and took their dark ones off screen.

How would it work for the mc at this point anyway, which of his three dark ones would get the abilitys/engery? Noel everything and the other two always stay weak? Amy has to get stronger too as the weakest primordial after all.

Tessah already respwaned (was she even fully gone?), we dont really have a lot of knowledge how all of this works, how much % of tessahs power did arsa got?

But yeah ... how did Noel get the pocket dimension ability than? I doubt she lost it tho, its way too convenient to use for the dev for funny/public lewds lol. Maybe Noel just has all abilitys Nael has and isnt aware? I give up, i have no clue lol
 

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Hmmm, i dont think so? Are you 100% sure about the flying part?

As i remember it Arsa said she couldnt fly but float and its still the same thing she does. More of a technicality i think as floating with the use of lots of energy (heat?) kinda equals flying. And was Tessahs flying even a ability or simply her body, she had wings after all ... or does her "human" body manifest wings because she has the fly ability? Questions over questions.

I thought you always get the abilitys of a dark one bonded to you, otherwise our mc should have lots of different abilitys at this point, he killed quite some companions and took their dark ones off screen.

How would it work for the mc at this point anyway, which of his three dark ones would get the abilitys/engery? Noel everything and the other two always stay weak? Amy has to get stronger too as the weakest primordial after all.

Tessah already respwaned (was she even fully gone?), we dont really have a lot of knowledge how all of this works, how much % of tessahs power did arsa got?

But yeah ... how did Noel get the pocket dimension ability than? I doubt she lost it tho, its way too convenient to use for the dev for funny/public lewds lol. Maybe Noel just has all abilitys Nael has and isnt aware? I give up, i have no clue lol
Well, Technically it is the dark ones that absorb other dark ones so I would assume that the dark one that absorbs the other dark one would be the one to get the abilities if they do actually transfer. In the last few chapters it has been Cia almost universally that has been absorbing the dark ones of defeated companions (on the road in France). Nael said that she was almost on the level of a primodial when the MC first met her so I am personally hoping that absorbing dark ones will push her over into being a primodial herself. Anyway, thats nether here nor there. As for the flight, you could honestly look at it either way. If the ability to fly was a special ability and they do transfer then it makes sense that Noel got the pocket dimension power. If they don't transfer then it is likely that something special is going on with Noel. Noel is sort of in a weird position right now anyway. She was a ferel that satiated her hunger through the MC. That means she is sort of in the same position now that Eda was before Nael bound her to the pact again. By the end, I have absolutely no doubt that Noel will either catch up to, or compleetley overtake her sister when it comes to power level. The game has already been dropping hints that it is headed in that direction.

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Well, Technically it is the dark ones that absorb other dark ones so I would assume that the dark one that absorbs the other dark one would be the one to get the abilities if they do actually transfer. In the last few chapters it has been Cia almost universally that has been absorbing the dark ones of defeated companions (on the road in France). Nael said that she was almost on the level of a primodial when the MC first met her so I am personally hoping that absorbing dark ones will push her over into being a primodial herself. Anyway, thats nether here nor there. As for the flight, you could honestly look at it either way. If the ability to fly was a special ability and they do transfer then it makes sense that Noel got the pocket dimension power. If they don't transfer then it is likely that something special is going on with Noel. Noel is sort of in a weird position right now anyway. She was a ferel that satiated her hunger through the MC. That means she is sort of in the same position now that Eda was before Nael bound her to the pact again. By the end, I have absolutely no doubt that Noel will either catch up to, or compleetley overtake her sister when it comes to power level. The game has already been dropping hints that it is headed in that direction.
Naaah bro, lets not discuss about Nael's powerlevel again :D

She wont catch up (at least in this story) but Nael will ascend and Noel will take her place

Noel becoming as powerful as Nael would be lame too, it would be like cheating. We had this "problem" to a lesser degree already with gabriel when he wa bonded with Nael in a sense that he was kinda a jokestar cheat character who could just do whatever he wants and win any fight, this got resolved.

But Noel will become the strongest primordial imo
 
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Naaah bro, lets not discuss about Nael's powerlevel again :D

She wont catch up (at least in this story) but Nael will ascend and Noel will take her place

Noel becoming as powerful would be lame too, it would be like cheating. We had this "problem" to a lesser degree already with gabriel when he wa bonded with Nael in a sense that he was kinda a jokestar cheat character who could just do whatever he wants and win any fight

But Noel will become the strongest primordial imo
I edited my last post with a Hints tab where I showed the images up to this point that makes me believe she could overtake her sister. I am not saying it will happen within the confines of the story itself because you are absolutely right that it would take away the stakes that make the story so good. That happening is more like a possible very end game situation after the MC and his companions (especially Noel) have succeeded in overcoming all of the obsticales and adversities that are in their way. Then again, I could be biased because I invision a situation where Noel puts Tessah in her well deserved place. Sweet sweet vengence lol.
 

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I edited my last post with a Hints tab where I showed the images up to this point that makes me believe she could overtake her sister. I am not saying it will happen within the confines of the story itself because you are absolutely right that it would take away the stakes that make the story so good. That happening is more like a possible very end game situation after the MC and his companions (especially Noel) have succeeded in overcoming all of the obsticales and adversities that are in their way. Then again, I could be biased because I invision a situation where Noel puts Tessah in her well deserved place. Sweet sweet vengence lol.
It could be that Noel is in reality a 1:1 copy of Nael, just without being "compromised" by living as long as Nael and having this much responsibility and her true strenght/abilitys are simply not unlocked yet or shes unaware of them.

Created to succeed Nael.

Her having white hair when she fought against amy as a feral could indicate that, that this is her true form while the blonde hair is more of a symbol of her innocence/morals.
 
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It could be that Noel is in reality a 1:1 copy of Nael, just without being "compromised" by living as long as Nael and having this much responsibility and her true strenght/abilitys are simply not unlocked yet or shes unaware of them.

Created to succeed Nael.

Her having white hair when she fought against amy as a feral could indicate that, that this is her true form while the blonde hair is more of a symbol of her innocence/morals.
That is sort of what I have been thinking. When Noel told the story of her creation, she said that after splitting off a part of herself, Nael was shortly back at full strength. I see absolutely nothing stopping the part of Nael that she got rid of from gaining the same type of power as she has given enough time. If Nael can lose a part of herself and be at 100% strength, it stands to reason the part of her that is missing, even if it is smaller, will obtain that amount of strength. It will just take much longer since it is a smaller piece. After all, it would make absolutely no sense if one part of Nael could get back to full power but another part of her can't.
 
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Tessah already respwaned (was she even fully gone?), we dont really have a lot of knowledge how all of this works, how much % of tessahs power did arsa got?
Tessah's power resides in Arsa. Nael offers Emma (via Clara and Arsa) a fix for her current situation, which we haven't played out. So she doesn't exist in the 'main' realm of the game.

When she was in Nael's realm, for the new primordial meeting/summoning, she was brought there by Nael. We don't know how powerful she was, or wasn't, at the time, but Arsa makes a comment in that meeting about possibly being the most powerful after Nael.

If she exists in Nael's realm (as I think was said?), Tessah may be able to reach out via her pearl (like Nael did), but there's nothing to suggest she's actually back yet, and it wouldn't give her full powers. Based on the swords, Tessah may be gaining power (and feeding Arsa power) the more her imbued gear is used too.

There are a lot of open questions.
 

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I was enjoying the game for the first time until that absolutely unbelievable crash out at the end of chapter 1, what the fuck was that dude lol so jarring.

Still like the game btw it just took me out of my emersion for a second lol.
 
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Well, Technically it is the dark ones that absorb other dark ones so I would assume that the dark one that absorbs the other dark one would be the one to get the abilities if they do actually transfer. In the last few chapters it has been Cia almost universally that has been absorbing the dark ones of defeated companions (on the road in France). Nael said that she was almost on the level of a primodial when the MC first met her so I am personally hoping that absorbing dark ones will push her over into being a primodial herself. Anyway, thats nether here nor there. As for the flight, you could honestly look at it either way. If the ability to fly was a special ability and they do transfer then it makes sense that Noel got the pocket dimension power. If they don't transfer then it is likely that something special is going on with Noel. Noel is sort of in a weird position right now anyway. She was a ferel that satiated her hunger through the MC. That means she is sort of in the same position now that Eda was before Nael bound her to the pact again. By the end, I have absolutely no doubt that Noel will either catch up to, or compleetley overtake her sister when it comes to power level. The game has already been dropping hints that it is headed in that direction.
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Some thoughts about the hightlighted parts:

Im thinking what were watching is in truth more of the story of Noel than the story of our MC.

So, hear me out:

I mentioned already earlier how i think everything (95%) of what happened so far is designed by Nael like that.

I imagine she became a long long time ago aware that her power would soon be too much to stay at this plane and that she would need a successor. She deemed non of the primordials worthy.

So she created Noel, a part/copy of herself but uncompromised by hard decisions, tragedys, experience and so on. She did something similar when she created the pact which enforces that dark ones "forget" (the memorys get suppressed) the tragedys of their past "life's" when their companion dies.

Nael started to exist and from Nael's pov shes simply perfect, herself but way better, purer, what she could have been without all the responsibilitys and tragedys.

So Noel was perfect in every sense, but she was not what Nael needed.

She was literally TOO pure for the role as Nael's succeccor, too good and perfect for a role which requires sacrifices and hard decisions.

Nael's power grew more and more, she was more than a primordial already and supposed to leave the plane. I dont think she stayed out of selfish reasons. She stayed because of Noel.

She kinda procrastinated, suppressed her own powerlevel to be able to stay and to be able to let Noel stay her perfect pure sister. Like that she was able to give Noel what she would have wanted for her own life, at least temporary, a sacrifice which we see repeated in the story by gabriel for his brother.

Nael was aware that Noel would need to change/develop at some point in time but she doesnt want a submissive servant like all the other primordials, she wants a equal sister and successor so Noel would need to want to change herself.

Which leads me to the point (sorry for wall of text): Nael needed Noel exactly at the point she is now, free and not bound to the pact anymore which could give possibilitys for incredible development and own will. But will lead to Noel uninveteablely experiencing tragedy and changing. Becoming more like Nael which is needed but not wanted.

I think Nael waited and needed a rulebreaker. MC was probably/maybe chosen because she became aware of him due to gabriels ability.

The MC was the bait. Something which Noel finally could want for herself.

She did let them bond in the first place, let them establish a connection but it was 100% necessary to break their bond. It was needed to enable Nael to gain free will on her own desire and by her own ability and to prove (for Noel and the MC) that their love is real and not created by the bond.


I think Ciarara will become the next primordial too. And in this case - again - i think Nael did send Cia deliberatly away when they had their private talk. It was useless as Cia is bond to them anyway and aware of it.

It was MEANT to make Cia insignificant but with the intention to push Cia's desire to become MORE, more important, more powerful and in the end a primordial.

yeah anyway, just my 2 cents :BootyTime:

Tessah's power resides in Arsa. Nael offers Emma (via Clara and Arsa) a fix for her current situation, which we haven't played out. So she doesn't exist in the 'main' realm of the game.

When she was in Nael's realm, for the new primordial meeting/summoning, she was brought there by Nael. We don't know how powerful she was, or wasn't, at the time, but Arsa makes a comment in that meeting about possibly being the most powerful after Nael.

If she exists in Nael's realm (as I think was said?), Tessah may be able to reach out via her pearl (like Nael did), but there's nothing to suggest she's actually back yet, and it wouldn't give her full powers. Based on the swords, Tessah may be gaining power (and feeding Arsa power) the more her imbued gear is used too.

There are a lot of open questions.
I dont think Tessah's full power resides in Arsa, not even on the mortal plane or however its called.

Arsa still thinks shes weaker than Tessah when they meet or at least nor sure shes stronger (lets be real, arsa would gloat way more if she would think shes stronger herself) than tessah after she absorbed her. So i think its just a part of their powers, maybe depends from case to case.

Wouldnt be surprise when our rulebreaker just always takes 100% lol

The swords and Tessahs imbued stuff dont work the same, thats why claire has hired the swordy primordial despite still having access to tessahs enchanted items. Swords/items stealing power is a "new" development and unique to only one dark one.

We simply dont know if tessah could be back yet, but from the pov from the high order it would be stupid to delete tessah instead of just wiping her memorys and giving her a new companion (like claire herself *cough*)
 
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Some thoughts about the hightlighted parts:

Im thinking what were watching is in truth more of the story of Noel than the story of our MC.

So, hear me out:

I mentioned already earlier how i think everything (95%) of what happened so far is designed by Nael like that.

I imagine she became a long long time ago aware that her power would soon be too much to stay at this plane and that she would need a successor. She deemed non of the primordials worthy.

So she created Noel, a part/copy of herself but uncompromised by hard decisions, tragedys, experience and so on. She did something similar when she created the pact which enforces that dark ones "forget" (the memorys get suppressed) the tragedys of their past "life's" when their companion dies.

Nael started to exist and from Nael's pov shes simply perfect, herself but way better, purer, what she could have been without all the responsibilitys and tragedys.

So Noel was perfect in every sense, but she was not what Nael needed.

She was literally TOO pure for the role as Nael's succeccor, too good and perfect for a role which requires sacrifices and hard decisions.

Nael's power grew more and more, she was more than a primordial already and supposed to leave the plane. I dont think she stayed out of selfish reasons. She stayed because of Noel.

She kinda procrastinated, suppressed her own powerlevel to be able to stay and to be able to let Noel stay her perfect pure sister. Like that she was able to give Noel what she would have wanted for her own life, at least temporary, a sacrifice which we see repeated in the story by gabriel for his brother.

Nael was aware that Noel would need to change/develop at some point in time but she doesnt want a submissive servant like all the other primordials, she wants a equal sister and successor so Noel would need to want to change herself.

Which leads me to the point (sorry for wall of text): Nael needed Noel exactly at the point she is now, free and not bound to the pact anymore which could give possibilitys for incredible development and own will. But will lead to Noel uninveteablely experiencing tragedy and changing. Becoming more like Nael which is needed but not wanted.

I think Nael waited and needed a rulebreaker. MC was probably/maybe chosen because she became aware of him due to gabriels ability.

The MC was the bait. Something which Noel finally could want for herself.

She did let them bond in the first place, let them establish a connection but it was 100% necessary to break their bond. It was needed to enable Nael to gain free will on her own desire and by her own ability and to prove (for Noel and the MC) that their love is real and not created by the bond.


I think Ciarara will become the next primordial too. And in this case - again - i think Nael did send Cia deliberatly away when they had their private talk. It was useless as Cia is bond to them anyway and aware of it.

It was MEANT to make Cia insignificant but with the intention to push Cia's desire to become MORE, more important, more powerful and in the end a primordial.

yeah anyway, just my 2 cents :BootyTime:
I don't think the story is mostly about Noel, it is really about the MC and his companions, Noel being the cheif among them of course. I'm also not sure about Noel changing her personality to closer resemble Nael. In fact, I'm convinced that is the origional reason that Nael chose to give Noel every single one of her positive personality traits when Noel was created (down to the positive personality trait of liking to drink tea). Imagine you are an all powerful being and a decision you are about to make will split yourself. You know that you will gain all of your basically infinite strength back and you know that by splitting yourself you will also be making another all powerful being. It would make sence that you give that new creation as many positive personallity traits as possible because the last thing you would want is to create a power hungry despot with as much power as you. That's why I believe Nael gave Noel all of her positive personality traits, because she wanted to make absolutely sure that the being she created is a benovelent one and not some evil tiranical overlord willing to wipe out the universe because she stubbed her toe. I kind of think the MC is important in this situation because he is starting to play the role of the bad cop since he was semi-bound to Nael. The game has been recognizing that the MC has changed, became colder, more calculating, and more Nael like (both when the MC fought the two companions in chapter ten at the High Order headquarters and when he had Noel break the spell Ren put over Clara). It is actually what is going to make them a perfect team. She is the kind, benovelent, pure, and patient influence and he is the rash, hot headed, impatient, and much less kind influence. They are two necessary sides of the same coin and that fact is what makes them perfect together. It seems like the big change that Nael is wanting to see within Noel is an increase in cofidence, self pride, and a willingness to stand up for herself. Noel displayed the beginings of all of those traits when she stood up to her sister for threatening to break the bond between herself and the MC and it obviously pleased Nael to see that change.

Also, the more I think about what you have said, the more it has given me a insight. I don't personally believe that Nael has developed more power over time, at least in no significan way. After all, gaining more power on top of basically infinite power is meaningless. I say that because when the MC and Clara go to meet Nael and and they talk about the....... well I won't explicitely say what they talk about here because that is a huge spoiler and I wouldn't want to ruin to story for anyone, but you know what they talk about. Anyway, when they talk about that which shall not be named, Nael says that it is a dark one that is not crated by her. That means that Nael is the creater of every single dark one. During the Gabe death bad ending and the begining of chapter 10, we literally see Nael create the world. I say all of that because Sam is somehow unaware of Nael's power level. That means that Sam can not be the person that Nael is speaking with when she recreates the world in the Gabe death bad ending. If that was Sam, he would know the extent of her power. That means that Sam had to have been created sometime later and that there is indeed someone else who is as fundimental to the universe as Nael because only Nael and that unknown entity are left after she destroys the universe, someone even Nael can't get rid of lol.

I will say that I believe you are absolutely right about Nael planning everything that has happened. It is obvious that she has a plan for some kind of predetermined outcome. My big question is, did she plan for Amy to die? If not, that whole situation is kind of her fault. She is the one that pushed the MC into plotting against the Horsemen to get Cia (I am personally glad he did but still). The MC's original thought was to go get Emma to help which makes much more sense to me and would result in basically no deaths and no new enermies. She claims she was afraid that Arsa would do something bad to Noel but Emma is the one in charge in that situation and Emma would have definitely been able to keep Arsa under control. If the MC had followed his plan, he never would have fought with the Horsemen and Amy would not have died. So, was the origional plan Nael had for the MC to bond to Cia and Amy was a total accident or was that intentional to have the MC bonded to Amy as well as Cia?
 
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