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From what I remember, and I apologize if I'm wrong about anything.
The Dark Ones (including Primordials) have always existed, and I think it was said that they more or less ruled over humans until things escalated (potentially Samuel, he is so far the only one whose power level is even remotely comparable to Nael's), which forced the Dark Ones to enter into the whole pact thing, which as a side effect causes Dark Ones who lose their companion to go feral.
Nael was the only one who was too powerful despite all the measures (which ultimately subjugated all other later Primordials). As I understand it, she gave up some of her power to weaken herself, and that is how Noel came into being. Since she was still too powerful, the major American organizations feared Noel: not because of her power or personality, but because she is considered Nael's harbinger, who could destroy the entire fragile structure between the Dark Ones and humans.
Gabriel has already implied that Liam (MC) could be an even bigger rule-breaker than Gabriel himself:
Liam is the only Companion with three Dark Ones (two of whom are Primordial).
Amy is pregnant, but that could also be because she was pregnant when she died.
Nael probably only reborn Amy as a Dark One because her actions were responsible for Amy's death in the first place:
If she hadn't separated Liam and Noel after the Matt disaster and brought Noel to Germany, Noel would never have set out to find Liam when the energy supply was depleted because Nael and Gabriel were under house arrest.
This, in turn, led to Liam and Nael having to find a Dark One with sharp senses and kill their partner, who found out about the situation, kidnapped Amy, and killed her.
Basically, in this situation, Nael simply paid the price to make up for what her own actions had caused. And Nael may be stubborn, but at least she was willing to make a sacrifice in this situation. I think a certain degree of affection for Amy also comes from this guilt and from the miracle that she is pregnant, which could mean a potentially new situation for all Dark Ones.
Speaking of Liam, I think the only individuals who would be powerful enough to pose a serious threat to Liam at this point are actually Nael and Samuel.
I only see Nael as an antagonist in a scenario where Gabriel dies and she tears reality apart to bring him back, something she admitted she would do shortly after the Matt situation.
Samuel is extremely powerful, probably on a similar level to Nael. However, we know too little about him.
Unus: The associated Dark One is quite atypical so far. What if this is not a Dark One but a being created by Samuel to keep the Dark Ones in conflict? But with Amy at his side, I don't see Unus as a threat to Liam, as her healing powers are absurdly strong.
Ren: I don't see her as a threat to Liam, and she doesn't seem to have any problems with Noel and Amy. Apart from that, the whole Ren situation is a case of “How can I impress Nael-senpai?”. I can't imagine Ren hurting Clara, who is the best friend of Nael's little sisters. And even Nael wouldn't be too pleased if something happened to Clara. They're not best friends or anything, but I mean, Clara wasn't exactly unsympathetic to her.
Tessah: I don't see how she could be a threat to the current Liam. She was only that strong because of the whole Matt thing, and even if she had a new partner, she would be far from the level she was at back then. And even if she did, Amy's healing would make up for a lot here too. So unless we remove Amy from the plot again at the end of the VN and get time travel shenanigans (please no), I don't see how Tessah could become a threat.
The Dark Ones (including Primordials) have always existed, and I think it was said that they more or less ruled over humans until things escalated (potentially Samuel, he is so far the only one whose power level is even remotely comparable to Nael's), which forced the Dark Ones to enter into the whole pact thing, which as a side effect causes Dark Ones who lose their companion to go feral.
Nael was the only one who was too powerful despite all the measures (which ultimately subjugated all other later Primordials). As I understand it, she gave up some of her power to weaken herself, and that is how Noel came into being. Since she was still too powerful, the major American organizations feared Noel: not because of her power or personality, but because she is considered Nael's harbinger, who could destroy the entire fragile structure between the Dark Ones and humans.
Gabriel has already implied that Liam (MC) could be an even bigger rule-breaker than Gabriel himself:
Liam is the only Companion with three Dark Ones (two of whom are Primordial).
Amy is pregnant, but that could also be because she was pregnant when she died.
Nael probably only reborn Amy as a Dark One because her actions were responsible for Amy's death in the first place:
If she hadn't separated Liam and Noel after the Matt disaster and brought Noel to Germany, Noel would never have set out to find Liam when the energy supply was depleted because Nael and Gabriel were under house arrest.
This, in turn, led to Liam and Nael having to find a Dark One with sharp senses and kill their partner, who found out about the situation, kidnapped Amy, and killed her.
Basically, in this situation, Nael simply paid the price to make up for what her own actions had caused. And Nael may be stubborn, but at least she was willing to make a sacrifice in this situation. I think a certain degree of affection for Amy also comes from this guilt and from the miracle that she is pregnant, which could mean a potentially new situation for all Dark Ones.
Speaking of Liam, I think the only individuals who would be powerful enough to pose a serious threat to Liam at this point are actually Nael and Samuel.
I only see Nael as an antagonist in a scenario where Gabriel dies and she tears reality apart to bring him back, something she admitted she would do shortly after the Matt situation.
Samuel is extremely powerful, probably on a similar level to Nael. However, we know too little about him.
Unus: The associated Dark One is quite atypical so far. What if this is not a Dark One but a being created by Samuel to keep the Dark Ones in conflict? But with Amy at his side, I don't see Unus as a threat to Liam, as her healing powers are absurdly strong.
Ren: I don't see her as a threat to Liam, and she doesn't seem to have any problems with Noel and Amy. Apart from that, the whole Ren situation is a case of “How can I impress Nael-senpai?”. I can't imagine Ren hurting Clara, who is the best friend of Nael's little sisters. And even Nael wouldn't be too pleased if something happened to Clara. They're not best friends or anything, but I mean, Clara wasn't exactly unsympathetic to her.
Tessah: I don't see how she could be a threat to the current Liam. She was only that strong because of the whole Matt thing, and even if she had a new partner, she would be far from the level she was at back then. And even if she did, Amy's healing would make up for a lot here too. So unless we remove Amy from the plot again at the end of the VN and get time travel shenanigans (please no), I don't see how Tessah could become a threat.
Yeah they (the dark ones) still all got created by Nael and i dont think Nael herself was involved in the fights, shes was probably just watching like nowadays. It was probably a war between dark ones and humans + these angel-beings (we did meet one in france), i dont think Samuel was or is human.
No, all primordials are/were too powerful (thats why they are primordials) and Nael herself was never bound or object to the pact. She was/is the one creating and maintaining the pact. The pact was her adjustment for her race, we dont know if she got forced into that (doubtful) or considered it the best way forward for her race (more likely).
Remember Nael restricts her own race from procreation as they are immortal and would end up as waaaay to many (which she would/should be in favor of if it would be about domination of earth for her which is isnt).
The pact exist for longer than Noel and Nael never was forced to create Noel or objected to the pact.
What Nael did, was to hide her true power for years/aeons/whatever as beings with such amount of power are not meant to walk on the mortal plane anymore.
Nael and Gabriel were never "really" under house arrest, she just played along as she goes along with the "universal rules" in general but we saw already that Samuel was not able to do anything when she decided to take action.
The whole seperation of Liam and Noel was planned and intended by Nael and Gabriel, its needed for something bigger. She doesnt give a fuck about the life of single humans in the proccess and stepped in with amy because Gabriel asked her to do it.
She NOW has a LOT of affection for Amy but thats because of the fact that Amy is pregnant with the first ever dark one not created by Nael not about some guilt or anything like that. It will not mean a new situations for the other dark ones either, it doesnt change anything, if Nael would have wanted it, they could have gotten pregnant all along but its the wiser decision that they cant.
I feel like you dont really get Nael and the amount of her power. There is no MC vs. Nael, the mc could have 300 more dark ones and would still be an inisgnificant ant compared to Nael. Nael is close to omnipotent and the only reason she isnt is that she herself decides not to.
I think you have a very wrong impression of Samuel too, imo he's more like someone who keeps the balanace and rules in the ... uh .. god firmament? Someone "appointed" by the most powerful beings but hes not human himself or careing about humans per se, he just seems to care about preventing all kind of armagedons.
Nael told him hes "lucky that he's needed" which implies that she is in favor of his role/actions.
MC at this point is maybe/probably even with Matt as he was bonded with Tessah but only due to his skills, hes still behind in power to Matt/tessah back than.
He may surpassed Zero & Dia already but it would still be a hard fight at this point.
I agree that outside of Zero und ClaraRen it seems like there are not this many equal antagonists at this point, i hoped for a tessah Claire at some points but i think that ship has sailed.
Still we already saw the angel-like being in frace, we dont know what other powerful entitys exist. Maybe at some point the MC will be bonded to all primordials (or all but arsa) and fight against other champions with other entitys or whatever. I trust in the dev, it seems like hes still has quite a bit of story to tell.
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I think my Nael vs. Liam scenario was misunderstood, or rather, I didn't express myself clearly. I know that Nael is so powerful that, compared to all the other Dark Ones combined, it's still relatively ridiculous and obvious that she would win. Accordingly, a Nael vs. Liam scenario would never work the way Matt vs. Liam would. It would be more like Nael talking her way into tearing the foundations of reality to pieces in order to bring Gabriel back. And in such a situation, where Nael poses a threat to reality, I only see Liam and Noel in a position to dissuade Nael from doing so. A purely hypothetical scenario.
Similarly, with Samuel, I probably should have expressed myself better: My theoretical scenario is as follows: Samuel's goal is to avoid Armageddon and the like. The realization that Liam is capable of bending the rules to such an extent should be quite risky. Especially if Samuel finds out that Liam is potentially the father of a Dark One (or other Primordials). This is also a scenario that obviously cannot be resolved with fighting, but could certainly become a plot point for questions such as: Why do Samuel and Liam look so similar? Why does Liam have these rule-breaking abilities? What exactly is Samuel? If the Dark Ones trace back to Nael and these angelic beings to Samuel, are there perhaps more comparable beings in this world?
Liam vs Matt: Liam had asked Noel about this once, and she wasn't sure herself. Personally, I think it depends on the following:
1. Amy: Her healing ability is very relevant to this fight. Depending on the limit of the healing she can actively provide, knowing her limits is essential for the fight.
2. Matt's mental health: His mental health was already showing significant cracks before he started his massacre. If the current Liam were to find himself in the same situation and deliver his monologues instead of focusing, it would be a significant disadvantage for Matt. The only reason this wasn't a problem in the original fight was that Gabriel was pretty much the only one who could realistically keep up with Matt.
3. Tactical mistakes on Liam's part: As you yourself say, in terms of pure strength, Matt was far beyond what Liam has achieved so far. So letting the fight turn into a pure test of strength would be Liam's downfall. Especially if Noel or Amy let themselves be lured out and were thus vulnerable to Matt. And this would then be the point where Liam would very likely lose control and very likely lose the fight if he didn't get outside help.
Quite frankly, Tessah/Claire would be a terrible decision in my opinion. This may be because I consider Claire to be a wonderfully written terrible character. On the one hand, it would devalue the situation with Matt, and on the other hand, I think it would be more interesting if Tessah encountered someone who showed her compassion and thus broadened her horizons (at least temporarily).
Why would it devalue the situation with Matt? From a young age, he was prepared to be Tessah's partner, enforcer, and authority figure of the High Order. Tessah had an essential influence on his character development, but because she herself had a rather limited view of things, he was unable to develop very well. I would even go so far as to say that Tessah was probably the only thing he had that resembled a mother figure. Accordingly, it was only a matter of time before the situation escalated. And even though he had a lot of people on his conscience, I can't help but feel sorry for him. Claire and Tessah, on the other hand, would be the embodiment of order without compassion, together with a person who would stop at nothing to achieve her own ambitions. The difference is that Matt had no chance to choose a different path, while Claire willingly chose her path and would probably do so again.
What I hope is that Claire FINALLY realizes that all her scheming, manipulation, and crimes have only ever endangered the very thing she claimed to want to protect: Clara.
Similarly, with Samuel, I probably should have expressed myself better: My theoretical scenario is as follows: Samuel's goal is to avoid Armageddon and the like. The realization that Liam is capable of bending the rules to such an extent should be quite risky. Especially if Samuel finds out that Liam is potentially the father of a Dark One (or other Primordials). This is also a scenario that obviously cannot be resolved with fighting, but could certainly become a plot point for questions such as: Why do Samuel and Liam look so similar? Why does Liam have these rule-breaking abilities? What exactly is Samuel? If the Dark Ones trace back to Nael and these angelic beings to Samuel, are there perhaps more comparable beings in this world?
Liam vs Matt: Liam had asked Noel about this once, and she wasn't sure herself. Personally, I think it depends on the following:
1. Amy: Her healing ability is very relevant to this fight. Depending on the limit of the healing she can actively provide, knowing her limits is essential for the fight.
2. Matt's mental health: His mental health was already showing significant cracks before he started his massacre. If the current Liam were to find himself in the same situation and deliver his monologues instead of focusing, it would be a significant disadvantage for Matt. The only reason this wasn't a problem in the original fight was that Gabriel was pretty much the only one who could realistically keep up with Matt.
3. Tactical mistakes on Liam's part: As you yourself say, in terms of pure strength, Matt was far beyond what Liam has achieved so far. So letting the fight turn into a pure test of strength would be Liam's downfall. Especially if Noel or Amy let themselves be lured out and were thus vulnerable to Matt. And this would then be the point where Liam would very likely lose control and very likely lose the fight if he didn't get outside help.
Quite frankly, Tessah/Claire would be a terrible decision in my opinion. This may be because I consider Claire to be a wonderfully written terrible character. On the one hand, it would devalue the situation with Matt, and on the other hand, I think it would be more interesting if Tessah encountered someone who showed her compassion and thus broadened her horizons (at least temporarily).
Why would it devalue the situation with Matt? From a young age, he was prepared to be Tessah's partner, enforcer, and authority figure of the High Order. Tessah had an essential influence on his character development, but because she herself had a rather limited view of things, he was unable to develop very well. I would even go so far as to say that Tessah was probably the only thing he had that resembled a mother figure. Accordingly, it was only a matter of time before the situation escalated. And even though he had a lot of people on his conscience, I can't help but feel sorry for him. Claire and Tessah, on the other hand, would be the embodiment of order without compassion, together with a person who would stop at nothing to achieve her own ambitions. The difference is that Matt had no chance to choose a different path, while Claire willingly chose her path and would probably do so again.
What I hope is that Claire FINALLY realizes that all her scheming, manipulation, and crimes have only ever endangered the very thing she claimed to want to protect: Clara.
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This one is hard because right now I don't think there's anything Claire can do to redeem herself, she's gone too far.
Pairing Tessah with her could make sense, after everything she has seen and done Claire could maybe learn the lesson and try to redeem herself by acting as a counterbalance to Tessah's influence thus not falling into Matt mistakes.
But if a Tessah / Claire union happened, which I also have my doubts, I don't see it lasting long. I could see it being the end of Claire, like trying to protect Clara but dying in the process.
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I agree with you, and personally, I think that a relationship between Tessah and Claire would only bring out the worst in both of them.
I can't help but think of Anders and the Spirit of Justice from Dragon Age 2 when I imagine this scenario.
As I see it, Claire has created a situation that is pretty much irreparable:
The Brotherhood has been severely weakened by Claire, and Unus has triggered an internal conflict between members of the Brotherhood, meaning that the Brotherhood no longer has the members it needs to ensure stability.
The High Order has lost a great deal of credibility due to the Matt situation and Claire's leadership.
Dissolving both groups would probably lead to a situation similar to what we saw in France.
Which brings me to another question: Was Claire's statement that she wants safety for Clara the only goal of her actions, or was it actually more like, “My goal is to protect Clara, and if I gain control over the Dark Ones of North America in the process, I won't say no”?
Claire knew that Liam had connections to the Brotherhood. Claire also knew that Liam was quite powerful. If she had really wanted to ensure Clara's and her own safety, she would have supported Liam's membership in the Brotherhood: The Brotherhood has no members with a Primordial, which means that even if they are skeptical of Liam because of his connection to Claire, they need him, firstly because they have lost a lot of members since Matt, and secondly because he would restore the balance with the High Order. At the same time, if the Brotherhood really did take action against her and Clara, he would definitely do everything in his power to stop the Brotherhood, and good luck to the Brotherhood members who want to stop him.
On the one hand, I think she doesn't want to admit that Liam (and Gabriel) are now old enough to help, and on the other hand, she seems so stuck in her ways of solving every problem with a hammer that she only sees nails.
Yeah that makes more sense about Nael and Samuel but even tho i dont think Samuel gives a shit about rulebreakers or anything like that, he just have to step in in "armagedon situations" in the way that he sends the warden of the contitent (which gabriel seemed to be for NA) or if some being is too powerful to stay in this reality as far as we know.
Despite his rulebreaking the MC is FAAAAR less powerful than most dark ones and probably even compared to amy. Primordials are not considered "too powerful" to stay on earth and the MC is way less powerful than the primordials himself. So yeah i dont see us going there soon. Maybe in the absolute endgame.
Tessah is not bad/evil/vile or anything, she is the justiciar of the dark ones or however you want to call it but shes not the aspect of law or order or something like that, shes the aspect of euphoria. Thats why i would have thought she would have been well paired with Claire (and could to a extent justify her behavior atm) but its too late for that already and i dont think thats gonna happen or could/should happen anymore.
I dont think Tessah herself lacks compassion per se, i think in this regard is just more similar to Nael and its more like a strict/firm kind of compassion. There are reasons Tessah is the second of the primordials, her role is necessary, shes not a mindless or evil bully who made matt evil.
She "just" amplified his feelings, which is of course a very hard cross to bear for a 7 year old boy. I pity Matt too, he was deemed to fail form the very beginning even more with a dad like that. Than he lost his brother and best friend and simply snapped which Tessah amplified.
Oh boy, my favorite, COD theories and lore. So I have read everything and you are right that all dark ones are created by Nael just as the entire universe and existence itself was created by Nael. So, it is a fair question to ask why Noel and Amy are special if all dark ones were created by her. I think the answer lies in how they are created and I will use an analogy to demonstrate my point.Im replaying the avn at the moment and started to ask myself a few new things.
We're aware that Nael created all the dark ones at this point and even if rarely shown seems to care (in her firm and strict way) about all of them and knows them apparently all by name.
This brings up the question why Neal considers Noel (and now Amy) as special and pays them more attention if they just got created by her like all the other ones in the end and are therefore equally her daughter/creations.
We know how Amy got created/turned into a dark one, somehow it was necessary for Nael to sacrifice her bond with Gabriel for Amy's creation which seems like a incredibly huge sacrifice and explains why Nael considers Amy special, in a strange way, the new Amy is the child of Nael's and Gabriel's love.
The bond being severed/Gabriel losing his powers after "mating" by the way kinda goes in line with the spider (black widow) theme of Nael/Noel/Amy.
Was Noel created the same way? Did Nael had to sacrifice a bond to create her? Did all dark ones needed one? I suspect all dark ones but Noel and Amy were created in a different way and thats why Noel and Amy are special.
Did Nael had a former bond made and had to sacrifice that bond to create Noel? Was it someone we dont know? Was it Gabriel already and they renewed the bond afterwards? A different version of Gabriel? The MC? A different version of the MC? Another rulebreaker?
Thats the next question which came up for me, Gabriel and the MC, Rulebreakers, what are they?
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I always assumed this comment from Gabriel just meant to imply that hes (due to his bond to Nael) simply incomprehensible powerful. Companions are - no matter how powerful - still considered humans tho but maybe Gabriel and the MC are not? Or at least not 100%?
We are aware that they are able to see Dark Ones even without being companions, the mc is able to form multiple connections with dark ones at the same time (i suspect gabriel could too) and Eda stated that the MC's ability to control the dark ones energy this precise is unqiue. Gabriel seemed the same considering his fight against Mat.
And people have troubles to figure out their energy and level, its always assumed thats because of Nael in Gabriels case and because of multiple companions in MCs case but thats maybe not the only reason.
Additionally we know that Samuel - who is some kind of divine entity - looks like a carbon copy of the MC (like Noel looks like a copy of Nael). Maybe thats the race/species/whatever the MC and Gabriel are coming from.
Yeaaaahhh, not sure where i intended to go with these ramblings, i feel like there is somehting important but i cant grasp it yet
The difference between Noel and Tessah is the difference between building a birdhouse by hand and having a child. Imagine you build a birdhouse, you put in a lot of work, time, energy, and dedication to make it as nice of a birdhouse as you can and you are very proud of it.Now imagine you have a child.Your offspring is part of you, half of your DNA went in to creating a new being. That is something that can’t compare to anything else. No matter how awesome the birdhouse is, it will never compare to your child.
The same is true here. Did Nael create them all? Yes she did, but in the case of Noel and Amy, she gave up a part of herself to create them. She gave Noel every single positive character trait she possessed along with what I suspect to be limitless power potential and she gave Amy part of her regeneration ability. It is basically like giving them part of her DNA. That is why Noel and Amy are her sisters and Tessah is just a sorry second.
As for sacrificing a bond, I am a bit confused on what you mean. Nael giving up her bond to Gabe I assumed had to do with the fact that they will be existing in different dimensions and that Nael was found out to be a god by Sam. Creating Amy didn’t require the bond to be broken, it just made sure that Sam knew Nael was a god and I’m assuming that gods probably don’t have companions. So, she is just playing the game for now.
What I find most interesting about that whole situation is that Sam can’t be the person Nael is speaking with when she remakes the world in the bad ending where Zero kills Gabe. If the person with Nael at the beginning of the universe were actually Sam, he would already know she is a god and that she created the universe so it has to be someone else. My guess is that it is either the MC or Gabe. Keeping with that logic, it is not too much of a jump to say that Sam could be related to whoever Nael was speaking with when she remakes the universe. However, there is no direct evidence for that as far as I can remember.
Unless I have just missed something, we still have absolutely no idea why the MC and Sam look like one another. Part of me hopes they aren’t really related and that Sam just appears like that to keep Nael from curb stomping his face in. One would think that if they were actually related in some way, Sam would be a bit more watchful. I mean, if it weren’t for Emma, Matt would have ended the MC. Hard to believe Sam would allow that if Sam and the MC were actually connected somehow but then again, what do I know.
As for Gabe and especially the MC, there is obviously something special there. What confounds me is why rule breaking for the MC stops at the bond. I don’t really understand why he can break the rules of the bond but not a commandment from Nael when the bond and a commandment from Nael are essentially the same thing. The bond may have originally been created by all the dark ones but it was remade by Nael after it was broken by Tessah. So, essentially the bond at this point is just a commandment by Nael for all beings to follow. The MC is able to break that commandment but is unable to break the one where he is not allowed to tell anyone about Amy’s condition. It just feels off to me.
Yes i think she created all the dark ones in a way some religious people think god created everything but the act was more deliberate/precise with Noel and Amy.
Thats does actually make a lot of sense, i dont remember why i thought it was like that but your version sounds more reasonable! Will look into it again tho haha.
There's actually a bit of (cryptic) news towards that in the 11.5 update so i will refrain from saying anything about it.
I dont think Nael intend/wants to curbstomp Sam, she seems to value his job/position as necessary. I think Samuels actions are guided by some neutral code/rules no matter if he has any personal feelings involved.
But when he tries to stop Nael (when she goes to rescue Gabriel) he says something along the lines of "I know how it feels but you cant go" or something like that.
He seems to have a similar position to Tessah just one department higher (where powerful beings like Nael reside) lol
One reason could be that Nael "allows" Gabriel and MC (their bloodline?) to be rulebreakers to some degree. Or they originate from something/someone else which negates some things/makes them more attuned with power/energy.
I think the bond was always created by only Nael and it was probably not the first time she had to remade/adjust it.
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Didn't the current Unus imply that the circumstances surrounding Clara's birth are extremely special, at least enough to provoke an irritated reaction from Claire? Unless I'm confusing something: what do you think the secret is? I'm quite convinced that Clara could be a clone of Claire, possibly with the intention of her one day taking Claire's position in the High Order. Something must have happened to make Clara unsuitable for this role, either her character development, which is so completely different from Claire's, or Claire developed maternal feelings at some point and therefore wanted to give her a “normal” life.
At least, I can't imagine that Clara was conceived in the traditional way. To me, Claire is alarmingly close to becoming a Palpatine-level character, and I can't imagine that the overlap between men who are into “crazy” women and men who would date Claire would be particularly high. I also don't think artificial insemination is conceivable: so many wild and surreal things have already happened in the plot that I think the realization that artificial insemination played a role in one's own conception is hardly worth a shrug.
At least, I can't imagine that Clara was conceived in the traditional way. To me, Claire is alarmingly close to becoming a Palpatine-level character, and I can't imagine that the overlap between men who are into “crazy” women and men who would date Claire would be particularly high. I also don't think artificial insemination is conceivable: so many wild and surreal things have already happened in the plot that I think the realization that artificial insemination played a role in one's own conception is hardly worth a shrug.
It wasn’t Unis but instead it was Matt’s father, Sikel Senior. He implied that she was made in a Lab. My current theory is that Clara was made for and probably by Claire using her own DNA and the energy of a dark one (maybe Nael). That would explain why Clara is able to move a dark ones energy so efficiently and maybe why Nael was so quick to help her when she asked for it. If I am right, that would make her the first half dark one half human in the story. It would explain some other things as well. It would explain her very strong connection to the MC as well as having a bond with Eda. Her dark one half could feel a connection to or have a bond like relationship with MC while her human half has the bond with Eda. That last part is just conjecture though, I have no solid evidence for it.
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Doubt strongly it was Nael, why would she? Nael killed high order soldiers (regularly?) before Claire was in charge/Gabriel was involved with the high order. I think everyone thought that Nael is gone/away/whatever.
I think merely Nael has some sympathy for Clara (not that she cares this much) because 1) Clara was helping Noel, 2) Clara is a friend of Noel and 3) Clara doesnt treat Nael that submissive and is more similar to mc/gab in that regard
But i still think your theory could be valid, maybe its with Tessah's energy instead of Nael's. We saw already that Tessah was "creating life" in the museum, Claire may have used a similar "orb" to impregnate herself or something like that?
I considered that myself and really it was just a process of elimination. Nael was the only Dark one I can think of currently in the story that Claire would have had direct access to through Gabe and the power necessary to actually pull something like that off.
The first one I considered was Tessah of course but I went back and watched the fight between Matt and Gabe and Mat says that he has only had Tessah for I think it was like nine years. Don’t hold me to the exact number but the issue was that the timeline doesn’t add up. Clara is older than when Matt first got Tessah. I guess it could come from whoever had her before Matt or some other random dark one. The only reason I considered Nael was because of how close Claire is to Gabe and the MC and therefore Nael and it has been that way since their childhood. Truthfully though we don’t really know the timeline on when Gabe and Nael met so it is up in the air.
I agree that Nael definitely respects Clara because she treats her like a normal person and doesn’t grovel. Now that you mention it, Noel and Nael are pretty similar in that way toward Clara.
It was 11 years (from 7 to 18 years old from matt, which is kinda very crazy lol) i think. Anyway it seemed like the high order is (trying to) keep their companions as was shown with the companion of Matt's best friend and the whole high order seems kinda based on tessah's power considering she imbued like everything around.
Strongly doubt a 7 year old matt randomly stumbled into tessah lol, it was surely orchestrated by mikel senior
It it would have been just some secret doing between Claire+Gab/Nael, Sikel Senior wouldnt be aware of the fact, i doubt Claire would tell him so it was probably a high order "operation" which kinda disqualifies Naels interferance imo
And there has to be some reason we were shown tessahs orb anyway
I agree, the high order is trying to keep their companions power in house and you are absolutely right that Senior orchestrated Matt getting Tessah. When the MC meets Jayce and Jessica at high order tower, they explicitly say that he made Matt into a companion. It is kind of weird though when you think about it. How could they make something like that happen with the second primordial? It’s not like they could have killed her former companion?
As far as Clara, I really don’t know. I am pretty confident that she is a mixture of dark one and human but idk why. Maybe Claire was cloning herself to have a child but something went wrong and the only way to save her was by using the energy of a dark one? Maybe it is the result of a experiment by the high order to see if they could mix human DNA with dark one energy?
What is obviously true though is that the high order played some role in the whole thing. That doesn’t necessarily mean that it would have had to be a secret between Claire, Gabe, and Nael though if she were involved. I’m just imagining a situation where Claire is trying to make a child using high order tech but something goes wrong and the child will die or is almost dead. So to save her, Claire asks Gabe for help from Nael. In a situation like that, Senior would never have to know anything about Nael.
However, more than likely you are right. It was probably either Tessah before she bonded with Matt or some other dark one associated with the high order. I’m just very suspicious of Nael when it comes to creating life I guess lol.
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Did Claire know about Gabe and Nael as from what i remumber she fond out when Gabe saves her from Unis?
It’s not super clear if she knew before that or not as far as I can remember. The only time it is ever mentioned to the best of my knowledge is when Claire asks Gabe to protect the MC and Clara in the scene where the line “there’s always bigger fish” was first used. I had never considered that Gabe was just in that moment telling Claire about his identity but I guess it is possible. I had always interpreted it to be Claire asking Gabe to keep a more watchful eye over Clara and the MC and that is why he ended up going to the Congress. Because Gabe and Nael show up to the Congress regardless of if Noel and Clara send out a message to her sister, I had just assumed it was because of Claire.
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Thats ture but it could be that Gabe shows up because of Tessah about to brack the pact.
Yeah, there are a lot of conflicting messages there and several reasons he could have shown up. It could be that they show up because whatever outcome they have in mind requires Noel and The Mc to be separated and they are using Matt as an excuse to break their bond and separate them. It could be they showed up because Claire asked Gabe to watch out for Clara. They could have shown up because Nael felt her sister get hurt though I don’t know how Gabe could have moved that fast but it is possible since he was bonded to Nael. They could have shown up because they saw what Matt was doing and decided to put a stop to it. The reason isn’t very clear because in two separate scenes Gabe decides to go to the Congress and in another, he tells Nael that they will just set it out and go next year. In the scene where gave saves Claire from Unis, he specifically says that they are going to go and then in the scene where him and Nael are watching TV, he says that they won’t go. No clue what changed?
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The way i see it is that Gabe dose not whant Noel and The Mc to be separated but becuse Noel Died and was brout back by Nael the bond was gone, and with Gabe changing his mind i think that is him being lazy and/or just whant to spend more time with Nael.