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Welcome to the club of the enlightened :geek:

Thats why im saying again and again how outlandish the thought of the MC soon reaching Nael's levels or Nael becoming an antagonist or LI seems unreasonable. Or some readers stating/thinking that her perception is bad (which is kinda true but only because Nael limits herself, was was shown was she is able to really perceive with the call with gabriel.

Shes way closer to a force of universe than to being a normal "human" being.

But she fooled even samuel, so youre good to go :p

Are there still those that want to see her as a LI after we have Noel? Visually they are the same except for hair color. Also, she was an antagonist to the whole human race and they still couldn't make her part of the pact. Nael should end up with Gab again and live in peace. Let the MC have his harem of dark ones and He can take on the other primordials and their companions.

#Justice4Gab
 

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Are there still those that want to see her as a LI after we have Noel? Visually they are the same except for hair color. Also, she was an antagonist to the whole human race and they still couldn't make her part of the pact. Nael should end up with Gab again and live in peace. Let the MC have his harem of dark ones and He can take on the other primordials and their companions.

#Justice4Gab
Nael created the pact, it was never a matter of her being a part of it. And i dont think she ever fought humanity herself, even tho the dark ones did. I think she just gave them more "free reign" before the times of the pact.

Yeah i would prefer Nael&Gab peacing out to whatever higher dimension out together too
 

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Are there still those that want to see her as a LI after we have Noel? Visually they are the same except for hair color. Also, she was an antagonist to the whole human race and they still couldn't make her part of the pact. Nael should end up with Gab again and live in peace. Let the MC have his harem of dark ones and He can take on the other primordials and their companions.

#Justice4Gab
Those like myself would very much like to see that. However, I have come to terms with the fact that it probably isn’t going to happen. If Gabe lives then there is no way Nael would go for the MC (nor would I want her to) and if he dies then there is a pretty good chance Nael would rather give up her power to her sister and disappear than she would to live without him. Is it impossible that the Nael/MC pairing happens? No. Is it very very unlikely? Yep. The only evidence pointing to something possibly happening between the MC and Nael is how interested she seems to be with watching the MC engage in amorous activities. But as others will point out, she could just be bored. Only time will tell what’s going to happen. No matter what, it’s going to be one heck of a ride!
 

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The Clara/Ren pairing does minimize the MCs ability to be OP though. I agree that he wont be outright defeated but he will have to hold himself back for risk of harming Clara. Makes for an interesting story. Also curious though if Ren will end up being bound to a Human though (rather than her weapons) once she is defeated?
Personally, I see no reason for a fight between Liam and Clara/Ren (Claren?).

As I understand it, Ren's goal is basically to impress Nael. Liam just has to show who his two Primordials are (Ren knows that Noel is Nael's sister and tried to curry favor with Amy, for lack of a better word). Noel alone should be able to make her realize that her plan is stupid and that Nael wouldn't really care if Ren succeeded in seizing the High Order. The only situation I can see where it could escalate violently is if Ren gets totally pissed off and has a tantrum.

And I don't know if I've mentioned it before, but I think her whole plan is stupid: whether it works or not depends solely on whether Liam and (what she obviously doesn't know) Noel and Amy notice that Clara has suddenly changed completely. The only explanation I can think of is that, having never had a mate herself, she completely underestimates humans.

But anyway, that's just my opinion. What I really hope is that Clara distances herself from Claire after this fiasco, mother or not, because dropping a virus bomb on an evacuated city is pretty ruthless. Especially considering that it was mostly Claire alone who made this “necessary” through her actions.

I consider it absolutely necessary for Ren to be bound to a human. She would hate it, but if Nael ordered it later, she would probably comply.

I would like to add to Krytax's comment: Nael and Gab disappearing to a higher dimension:

Situations like the one with Claire have shown that coexistence with humans is no longer really viable. For me, the only sensible decision is for Nael to create his own pocket dimension where the Dark Ones can exist in peace with good companions. That way, Noel and Amy (and their children) would not have to exist without baby daddy Liam when he inevitably reaches the end of his life expectancy.
 
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Just starting Chapter 6 and man, I'm not sure about this Emma thing... She basically just became a Companion and is already so much more powerful than MC? Eh....
 

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Just starting Chapter 6 and man, I'm not sure about this Emma thing... She basically just became a Companion and is already so much more powerful than MC? Eh....
Just keep playing, but if you can't stand the protagonist having some hardships sometimes, then maybe it just isn't for you.
 

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Just starting Chapter 6 and man, I'm not sure about this Emma thing... She basically just became a Companion and is already so much more powerful than MC? Eh....
Training and experience may be relevant, but:

Noel is more of a jack of all trades, a little bit of healing, a little bit of sensing, a little bit of fighting, but nowhere really outstanding compared to other Primordials.

Arsa, on the other hand, is mainly focused on combat, with comparatively very limited healing abilities.

Added to this is the general hierarchy of the Primordials, which should also play a role.
 

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Anyone else kind of want to see one of the possible endings for CoD be where the MC pacts with a few more dark ones but he slowly descends into madness cause he's got like 5-8 female voices in his head constantly? He could live for a really long time because of the DOs he has pacted with but would no longer feel emotions himself because each dark one is eating part of his emotions so he constantly has to be seeking a new thrill every moment? No?? Just me? Ok....
 

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Its annoying that Clara is the main human LI. She is similar in age as the MC but she acts like a 10 year old. Gab sacrificed himself because she is super naive about Claire and because she was acting like a child when Claire was sacrificing herself. I hope she grows up in the next couple of chapters.
 

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Its annoying that Clara is the main human LI. She is similar in age as the MC but she acts like a 10 year old. Gab sacrificed himself because she is super naive about Claire and because she was acting like a child when Claire was sacrificing herself. I hope she grows up in the next couple of chapters.
can she really grow up if she was taken over by Ren? Which accepting Ren's proposal was the dumbest choice imo. Personally, i hate that she even thought about it. Objectively, i know that it was needed to advance the plot.
 

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can she really grow up if she was taken over by Ren? Which accepting Ren's proposal was the dumbest choice imo. Personally, i hate that she even thought about it. Objectively, i know that it was needed to advance the plot.
What other choice was there in that situation? If she hadn’t taken Ren’s deal, Unis would have killed her mother.
 
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Its annoying that Clara is the main human LI. She is similar in age as the MC but she acts like a 10 year old. Gab sacrificed himself because she is super naive about Claire and because she was acting like a child when Claire was sacrificing herself. I hope she grows up in the next couple of chapters.
I would describe her as naive and sheltered. Before Liam came back, she was quite a shut-in. As a result, she never really got to know her mother's dark side, but that changed with the bombshell and Claire's reaction to it. Personally, I hope that the whole Claren fiasco and the secret surrounding her birth will cause her to distance herself from her mother. Who knows, the whole mystery surrounding her birth and the mystery surrounding Liam could be the next big chapter, and something that will be difficult to resolve through fighting.
 

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Its annoying that Clara is the main human LI. She is similar in age as the MC but she acts like a 10 year old. Gab sacrificed himself because she is super naive about Claire and because she was acting like a child when Claire was sacrificing herself. I hope she grows up in the next couple of chapters.
Hmm disagree,

firstly its not even sure that Clara is fully human. You may change your view about her after the half chapter, Clara's whole thing is HOW deep, unchanging and unconditional her love for the mc is. How was she acting like a child? Imo she seemed very calm and logical considering she got a) beaten to a pulp close to death and b) got blackmailed and fooled, c) confronted with the death of her mom

The last thing she did was reflecting how she fucked up and thinking about a solution (sending eda to MC), imo thats mature.

Gabriel's sacrifice was not "just" for Clara, it was for Claire too, he apparently loves (like family) or at least values her highly for taking care of the MC. Gabriel sees Claires behavior as reckless, cruel and wrong but he would still sacrifice himself for her, thats gab.

And while i personally hate Claire and her dictator-like actions and stupid plans, i still always take the reconciliation-path with her (telling her to fuck off at the first occasion at home but going back to her in the office and telling her that shes still family). Its like a nice middle path as the MC tells Claire he will stop her and the high order if he considers something immoral but willl always be there for her still.

Claire's reaction is rather cool too, saying that she would like to adjust her ways to be more in line with the mc's vision and that everything shes doing is supposed to keep Clara and herself safe (she royally fucked that up tho lol) and how she considered his words and came to the conclusion that its not worth it if it means losing the MC over it as thats one of her reasons to do all of this shit in the first place.

From our POV its easy to dislike Claire, but looking at it from the MC's perspective Claire was the only woman who ever gave him genuine maternal love and care while he apparently had to kill his bio dad and his bio mom hated him. The only people who seemed to ever have cared about the MC were Gabriel and Claire and nobody else (only speaking about adults).

And the only reason Claire went back to work/lead the high order in the first place was because Clara and MC were in trouble (with Matt). We dont know if Claire would have acted the same if the picture would have only shown MC (and not clara) but i tend to think so. Claire is evil but her love for Clara/MC is genuine and unconditional. She would always sacrifice herself without hesistation for them.

So yeah, while its easy to judge her wrongdoings and murders and shes easy to hate, Claire is such an awesome character imo, its really rare that AVN's construct such a conflicting close relationship with one of the baddies of the story.

But still, my MC will never put her down and even defend her if shes in trouble even if i personally think she should die lol

Theres a nice conversation with Emma about Claire who similary sees Claire's wrongdoings but is more involved in the WHY Claire is acting like she is acting and has some understanding towards Claire even tho she obviously disagres with lots.

She has even more understanding for the MC not abandoning Claire and says something like "You will love your partner for 10 years, your wife for 20 years, but you will love your mother forever" and that kinda fits my headcannon for the MC as someone who got abandoned by everyone else but Claire and Gabriel.

Claire still needs to be stopped but thats not really the MC's resonsibility

I dunno, the whole situation and character is so rare and conflicting, i love it.
 

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Hmm disagree,

firstly its not even sure that Clara is fully human. You may change your view about her after the half chapter, Clara's whole thing is HOW deep, unchanging and unconditional her love for the mc is. How was she acting like a child? Imo she seemed very calm and logical considering she got a) beaten to a pulp close to death and b) got blackmailed and fooled, c) confronted with the death of her mom

The last thing she did was reflecting how she fucked up and thinking about a solution (sending eda to MC), imo thats mature.

Gabriel's sacrifice was not "just" for Clara, it was for Claire too, he apparently loves (like family) or at least values her highly for taking care of the MC. Gabriel sees Claires behavior as reckless, cruel and wrong but he would still sacrifice himself for her, thats gab.

And while i personally hate Claire and her dictator-like actions and stupid plans, i still always take the reconciliation-path with her (telling her to fuck off at the first occasion at home but going back to her in the office and telling her that shes still family). Its like a nice middle path as the MC tells Claire he will stop her and the high order if he considers something immoral but willl always be there for her still.

Claire's reaction is rather cool too, saying that she would like to adjust her ways to be more in line with the mc's vision and that everything shes doing is supposed to keep Clara and herself safe (she royally fucked that up tho lol) and how she considered his words and came to the conclusion that its not worth it if it means losing the MC over it as thats one of her reasons to do all of this shit in the first place.

From our POV its easy to dislike Claire, but looking at it from the MC's perspective Claire was the only woman who ever gave him genuine maternal love and care while he apparently had to kill his bio dad and his bio mom hated him. The only people who seemed to ever have cared about the MC were Gabriel and Claire and nobody else (only speaking about adults).

And the only reason Claire went back to work/lead the high order in the first place was because Clara and MC were in trouble (with Matt). We dont know if Claire would have acted the same if the picture would have only shown MC (and not clara) but i tend to think so. Claire is evil but her love for Clara/MC is genuine and unconditional. She would always sacrifice herself without hesistation for them.

So yeah, while its easy to judge her wrongdoings and murders and shes easy to hate, Claire is such an awesome character imo, its really rare that AVN's construct such a conflicting close relationship with one of the baddies of the story.

But still, my MC will never put her down and even defend her if shes in trouble even if i personally think she should die lol

Theres a nice conversation with Emma about Claire who similary sees Claire's wrongdoings but is more involved in the WHY Claire is acting like she is acting and has some understanding towards Claire even tho she obviously disagres with lots.

She has even more understanding for the MC not abandoning Claire and says something like "You will love your partner for 10 years, your wife for 20 years, but you will love your mother forever" and that kinda fits my headcannon for the MC as someone who got abandoned by everyone else but Claire and Gabriel.

Claire still needs to be stopped but thats not really the MC's resonsibility

I dunno, the whole situation and character is so rare and conflicting, i love it.
It may be an unpopular opinion but the more I think about it and put myself in Claire’s position, the more I sympathize with her actions. I can’t really justify her actions against the brotherhood because the high order was in the wrong during and after the Congress. Doing a false flag operation just to have a better negotiating position with the brotherhood who is justifiably upset over your organizations past actions is crazy to me. However, I can totally understand where she is coming from in regard to the legion. They are or were a band of thugs very loosely affiliated with one another who’s entire goal in life was destruction and chaos. It is easy to morally condemn her from the sidelines but when push comes to shove, I am confident that most of us would make similar decisions that she made. If the choices are my loved ones and myself or the individual abstract rights of what amounts to a sect of terrorists, well, that isn’t a difficult choice at all.
 
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Just finished Chapter 7 and... Is it just me or are the chapters getting really short? I feel like Chapter 6 and 7 were way shorter than the previous chapters... You can put 6 and 7 together and it wouldn't be as long as Chapter 1 or 2...
 
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Just finished Chapter 7 and... Is it just me or are the chapters getting really short? I feel like Chapter 6 and 7 were way shorter than the previous chapters... You can put 6 and 7 together and it wouldn't be as long as Chapter 1 or 2...
Im not really sure about chapter 6 and 7 compared to the earlier ones but the last chapters i played (9, 10, 11) all were longer than the first chapters
 
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