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That obviously wont happen lol but i suspect nael (and gab) is already back when mc pushed jacky through the portal, doubt nael needs a lot of time to do anything
I have a theory that Jacky will bump into Nael just as she is about to leave her realm to save Gabe. The last thing we see from chapter 10 is Nael about to leave to save Gabe and the first thing that happens in this last update is the MC pushing Jacky through the portal. I personally don't believe that is a coincidence. The time line would add up as well.
Mind telling me why you don't agree? I think what I said is pretty legit and i'm pretty sure that if dev had more time and was maybe working with a team he'd have offered a path where we can save Matt (or maybe not lol, maybe even avoid killing his brother but Ig the banches would be too big to manage, in each one the story would be too different and it would be difficult to keep track of it all).
Overall I just think I made good points on why they deserved a 2nd chance if we look at it objectively. e
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My thoughts: If I remember correctly, Matt had been a Companion for about 10 years, so since he was about 8 years old. He never really had the chance to lead a normal life, especially with a Dark One who strives so hard for her own definition of justice constantly breathing down his neck. Did no one ever tell him what his brother almost did to Clara? I'd be interested to know what he would have done in Liam's place if the roles had been reversed. Then there's the death of his best friend, which only happened because no one in the entire organization thought it necessary to rein in the guy who later becomes Unus and hold him accountable.
I would have liked to see a way in which Matt isn't necessarily redeemed for his actions and becomes BFF with Liam, but at least sees the mistakes of his actions and spends his life making up for them, at least in part.
In general, I get the impression that Claire and the High Order (I think that was the name of the organization? I'm terrible with names) are responsible for pretty much everything bad that happens during the chapters. First under Matt's control as an antagonistic organization, and later under Claire as “What the hell were you thinking? Are you completely stupid?” In my opinion, the High Order should either be disbanded or placed under the control of a neutral person. This group has caused far more harm than good, and even the death of Clara's best friend can be indirectly attributed to the actions of the High Order.
And something occurs to me: Jacky is in Nael's realm, and the number two Primordial (Matt's old partner) should also be somewhere there. Somehow, I have a feeling that Jacky could become her new companion. And who knows, the Primordial might eventually learn something that goes beyond her own horizons. Even if that's a bit difficult with a blindfold.
I would have liked to see a way in which Matt isn't necessarily redeemed for his actions and becomes BFF with Liam, but at least sees the mistakes of his actions and spends his life making up for them, at least in part.
In general, I get the impression that Claire and the High Order (I think that was the name of the organization? I'm terrible with names) are responsible for pretty much everything bad that happens during the chapters. First under Matt's control as an antagonistic organization, and later under Claire as “What the hell were you thinking? Are you completely stupid?” In my opinion, the High Order should either be disbanded or placed under the control of a neutral person. This group has caused far more harm than good, and even the death of Clara's best friend can be indirectly attributed to the actions of the High Order.
And something occurs to me: Jacky is in Nael's realm, and the number two Primordial (Matt's old partner) should also be somewhere there. Somehow, I have a feeling that Jacky could become her new companion. And who knows, the Primordial might eventually learn something that goes beyond her own horizons. Even if that's a bit difficult with a blindfold.
I hope not. Imo Tessah would have been way more fitting for Claire as an atagonist but i kinda feel like were over that point already (maybe not tho).
But Jacky bonding with her would make tessah our ally and i would kinda prefer to have a enemey bonded with tessah and to best them before she bonds with an ally of us.
We kinda need a rematch against tessah imo
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That was actually my thought for a while, but after everything she's done and what happened to Clara because of Unus, I hope that Claire FINALLY realizes that everything she did to supposedly keep her daughter safe has had the exact opposite effect, and that she gets the redemption arc that Matt deserved (because let's be honest, Claire has reached a point where she's even worse than Matt).
I wouldn't even be surprised if the fact that Nael put Tessah under house arrest in her domain was not only to help her recover faster, but also to keep Tessah safe from Claire.
If anything, I could imagine Claire falling under the control of the Dark One of Unus. I mean, sure, she's not a member of the Legion, but to me, “Unus” is the perfect antagonist, basically the in-universe version of Palpatine/Darth Sidious. Palpatine/Claire because of her power, and Darth Sidious/Unus because no one really knows who that is.
In this analogy, Jacky and Tessah could represent Anakin/Darth Vader. Jacky could certainly be manipulated by the Mafia and others, and Tessah by her affiliation with the High Order.
I wouldn't even be surprised if the fact that Nael put Tessah under house arrest in her domain was not only to help her recover faster, but also to keep Tessah safe from Claire.
If anything, I could imagine Claire falling under the control of the Dark One of Unus. I mean, sure, she's not a member of the Legion, but to me, “Unus” is the perfect antagonist, basically the in-universe version of Palpatine/Darth Sidious. Palpatine/Claire because of her power, and Darth Sidious/Unus because no one really knows who that is.
In this analogy, Jacky and Tessah could represent Anakin/Darth Vader. Jacky could certainly be manipulated by the Mafia and others, and Tessah by her affiliation with the High Order.
Jacky manipulated by the mafia ... ? We see her very differently lol, jacky is a rebel, the first thing she would do after bonding with tessah would be to eradicate the mafia all around lol
If anyone than its emma in the darth vader role but that seems over already aswell. Emma will never go against the MC and i doubt Jacky would either. Even Claire - no matter how evil she is or becomes - would rather just die herself than kill the mc.
Imo we need an antagonist bonded with tessah who's really someone we can fight all in, an none of the girls realy qualifies for that.
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Not Jacky manipulated by the mafia, but depending on the situation, I would definitely believe Claire capable of trying to manipulate Jacky with protection from the mafia or whoever else. Claire bombarded a city with a virus bomb to stop the alliance between Legion and the renegades of the Brotherhood. I don't think it's far-fetched to imagine a scenario in which she would persuade Tessah's new companion to join her. Of course, that assumes that she will AGAIN learn nothing from the events of chapters 11 (and 12). Personally, I would like someone to throw certain words from Brother Optimus Prime's voice actor Peter Cullen at her (Be strong enough to be gentle).
But I think the structure of the last few chapters will lead to the conclusion that the Dark One, who is Unus, is the next big enemy. Yes, she is only one Dark One, and with three Primordials at his side, a single Dark One should theoretically be no problem. But: We don't really know what her abilities are. What if she is on a similar level to a Primordial, but managed to split herself up before the pact so that she could stay under the radar? Or what if she isn't really a Dark One/Primordial, but something else entirely? What if she is something that is neither Ghost nor her creator, nor something like Nael and the other Dark Ones and Primordials? The whole thing about Unus seems so completely different to me than anything else we've seen so far. Yes, the fact that she has never appeared is the whole point behind the Legion, but she is still very strange.
I would also find it interesting: Tessah was a main villain at the beginning, and her true form was a “biblically accurate angel.” What if Unus's true form is now a “biblically accurate devil”?
I also find the contradiction between Legion (from the Bible) and Unus (Latin for “one”) interesting. We could dismiss it with the explanation from the beginning, but would it really be so far-fetched that Unus is the inspiration for the in-universe version of the demon from the Bible?
And yes, while a rematch with Tessah would be interesting, I would point out that Noel didn't know who would win in a rematch between Liam at his current level and Peak Matt. A Tessah with a new companion, even if she is number 2, would not be a threat to Liam today, in my opinion. Thanks to his three partners, he has high strength, heightened senses, and an absurdly high level of self-healing. So if the three ladies stayed in his head and left the fight to Liam, I don't see any chance for a weakened Tessah with an inexperienced companion. In general, I would consider it a devaluation of the fight with Matt if it were to be repeated with either a weakened Tessah or a Tessah who has devoured all the Dark Ones of the High Order and most of the Dark Ones of the Brotherhood.
Liam needs something new, a new threat.
But I think the structure of the last few chapters will lead to the conclusion that the Dark One, who is Unus, is the next big enemy. Yes, she is only one Dark One, and with three Primordials at his side, a single Dark One should theoretically be no problem. But: We don't really know what her abilities are. What if she is on a similar level to a Primordial, but managed to split herself up before the pact so that she could stay under the radar? Or what if she isn't really a Dark One/Primordial, but something else entirely? What if she is something that is neither Ghost nor her creator, nor something like Nael and the other Dark Ones and Primordials? The whole thing about Unus seems so completely different to me than anything else we've seen so far. Yes, the fact that she has never appeared is the whole point behind the Legion, but she is still very strange.
I would also find it interesting: Tessah was a main villain at the beginning, and her true form was a “biblically accurate angel.” What if Unus's true form is now a “biblically accurate devil”?
I also find the contradiction between Legion (from the Bible) and Unus (Latin for “one”) interesting. We could dismiss it with the explanation from the beginning, but would it really be so far-fetched that Unus is the inspiration for the in-universe version of the demon from the Bible?
And yes, while a rematch with Tessah would be interesting, I would point out that Noel didn't know who would win in a rematch between Liam at his current level and Peak Matt. A Tessah with a new companion, even if she is number 2, would not be a threat to Liam today, in my opinion. Thanks to his three partners, he has high strength, heightened senses, and an absurdly high level of self-healing. So if the three ladies stayed in his head and left the fight to Liam, I don't see any chance for a weakened Tessah with an inexperienced companion. In general, I would consider it a devaluation of the fight with Matt if it were to be repeated with either a weakened Tessah or a Tessah who has devoured all the Dark Ones of the High Order and most of the Dark Ones of the Brotherhood.
Liam needs something new, a new threat.
I was just replaying the first game and noticed something I find odd. When Arsa "came first" to Sam's realm before Nael called her, she didn't recognize Sam at all. She asked him "Who the fuck are you?". If Sam did consistantly look like the MC, wouldn't she have recognized him and asked how he got there or something along those lines?
I am all in on this idea. The fact we never got revenge on Tessah and the fact she got off so easy with only being erased for a few months really bothers me. In fact, I think a fight with her would be best left to Noel. Noel's character arc will be her gaining confidence and pride in herself and what better way to top that off than wiping the floor with Tessa's wings that she just liberated form her body.
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As for Arsa, I have three theories:
1. She played along. She may have remembered Noel's idea about the Primordials and wanted to avoid trouble for them.
2. She didn't remember. We've already established that Arsa isn't the brightest bulb in the box (she can't stand redheads even though she is one herself) and therefore went with the flow.
3. She may have realized that she is connected to Liam. To avoid unnecessary attention for Liam, she played along.
I'm unsure about revenge on Tessah. Noel said that in a confrontation between the current Liam and Matt at his peak, she wouldn't know who would win. So we can say that the two would be relatively evenly matched. At that point, however, Tessah had already absorbed numerous Dark Ones and had ten years of experience with Matt. However, Arsa absorbed a significant portion of Tessah's power level at the time through her absorption, which means that Tessah should be at about her standard power level at this point. In addition, a newly bound companion cannot tap into the full potential of their Dark One; we saw at the beginning that Liam also had problems. Clara was in a similar situation, as we saw in the last update. Therefore, I believe that Liam, with his current experience, would be quite capable of keeping up with Tessah's new companion, even if he only had Noel. Especially if that companion has little to no combat experience of their own.
What I'm wondering is: Nael is no longer bound by the pact, and it's highly unlikely, but could she become feral in an emotionally traumatic situation?
I am thinking in particular of the following situation: she sees Gabriel die, and she has made it clear in the past that she would do anything to bring Gab back. What if, despite her absurdly high power, this were actually impossible for her? Despite her outwardly hard shell, it is quite obvious that Nael loves Gabriel, and I don't know how well she would cope with the loss of her beloved.
Or what if she were able to bring Gabriel back, but to do so she would have to tear reality to shreds? Nael as a sympathetic villain, since Liam can understand her feelings, would be quite interesting, and I think we are at a point where Nael is the only powerhouse that could pose a threat to Liam and co.
1. She played along. She may have remembered Noel's idea about the Primordials and wanted to avoid trouble for them.
2. She didn't remember. We've already established that Arsa isn't the brightest bulb in the box (she can't stand redheads even though she is one herself) and therefore went with the flow.
3. She may have realized that she is connected to Liam. To avoid unnecessary attention for Liam, she played along.
I'm unsure about revenge on Tessah. Noel said that in a confrontation between the current Liam and Matt at his peak, she wouldn't know who would win. So we can say that the two would be relatively evenly matched. At that point, however, Tessah had already absorbed numerous Dark Ones and had ten years of experience with Matt. However, Arsa absorbed a significant portion of Tessah's power level at the time through her absorption, which means that Tessah should be at about her standard power level at this point. In addition, a newly bound companion cannot tap into the full potential of their Dark One; we saw at the beginning that Liam also had problems. Clara was in a similar situation, as we saw in the last update. Therefore, I believe that Liam, with his current experience, would be quite capable of keeping up with Tessah's new companion, even if he only had Noel. Especially if that companion has little to no combat experience of their own.
What I'm wondering is: Nael is no longer bound by the pact, and it's highly unlikely, but could she become feral in an emotionally traumatic situation?
I am thinking in particular of the following situation: she sees Gabriel die, and she has made it clear in the past that she would do anything to bring Gab back. What if, despite her absurdly high power, this were actually impossible for her? Despite her outwardly hard shell, it is quite obvious that Nael loves Gabriel, and I don't know how well she would cope with the loss of her beloved.
Or what if she were able to bring Gabriel back, but to do so she would have to tear reality to shreds? Nael as a sympathetic villain, since Liam can understand her feelings, would be quite interesting, and I think we are at a point where Nael is the only powerhouse that could pose a threat to Liam and co.
To pick up on that, i agree with the theory of Arsa playing along.
She seems like a pure jokestar but has deepth and Nael seems to trust her the most (after Noel obviously) between the pimordials. And she is (of course) deeply obedient to Nael.
The biggest hint towards that is that she played a part in a ruse in the very beginning which Nael and Gab used to make MC and Noel bond. Arsa would never have attacked noel in front of nael (and if would have been eradicated again and again for the next millenias like tessah in the one dead end).
And even if she would have done it because shes primal (she still wouldnt), she wouldnt been able to if nael didnt wanted it to happen.
Arsa was used by/for Nael's plans from the very beginning
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I'm unsure how much Arsa was involved in the plan to bring Liam and Noel together, after all, the situation led to the death of her companion. However, I would say that she most likely liked her last companion far less than her current one. If we consider the later situation with Ciarara, it's entirely possible that she played along. With Arsa, it's just hard to say. I believe she didn't care what happened to her old companion, but I also believe she tried to distract Nael by slinging Noel away and was surprised that Noel took off like Team Rocket.
And we must also emphasize that this plan led to the death of the human Amy through her own actions. I would assume that separating Liam and Noel was not part of the plan at first, but she was probably quite upset that Liam allowed Matt to stab Noel. But that, in turn, would explain why she was so willing to help “revive” Amy. She was aware that separating Liam and Noel led to the chain reaction that resulted in Amy's murder. Hell, she literally set Liam on the companion who later killed Amy. So it was the least she could do to help Amy as well.
And we must also emphasize that this plan led to the death of the human Amy through her own actions. I would assume that separating Liam and Noel was not part of the plan at first, but she was probably quite upset that Liam allowed Matt to stab Noel. But that, in turn, would explain why she was so willing to help “revive” Amy. She was aware that separating Liam and Noel led to the chain reaction that resulted in Amy's murder. Hell, she literally set Liam on the companion who later killed Amy. So it was the least she could do to help Amy as well.
We dont even know if arsa lost a companion at that point, could have all been bullshit nael told noel (which seems reasonable to me), anyway its probably not like arsa would have had a choice, nael would probably have killed her companion anyway no matter if the companion was close to arsa or not if arsa would have disagreed
Imo there is no real possibility of arsa distracting nael if nael doesnt willingly let that happen (noel confirms that later on too). Slinging Noel away/distracting Nael would not be helpful for her anyway even if it would be possible for her. Nael can summon and disintegrate her whenever she wants anyway.
The seperation was 100% part of the plan and necessary for noel to realize its her own free will to want liam (and to want something for herself in general) which was the "lesson" Nael wanted Noel to learn. To stand up for herself and fight for things she wants (like liam).
I doubt Nael cared a lot about Amy or gave her any kind of consideration until Gab asked her to, and she didnt do it for liam or amy or because she felt any kind of guilt imo, she did it because gabriel asked her too - which imo was a underrated moment in the avn - because in this moment, both elder siblings (gab&nael) sacrificed their own happieness, or at least part of it, for their younger sibling(s).
Simple individuals like amy simply dont really matter when you operate on a scale like nael anymore, amys whole existance was like a blink in nael's eye anway. Its like you feeling guilty for accidently getting a ant killed due to actions you enabled.
The bond with gabriel was literally the only selfish thing nael treated herself with despite being almighty and still sacrificed it for their plan/the greater good
1. I could buy Arsa playing along but my only issue is, who would benifit from her playing along in that situation? The MC and and his companions are the only ones who would benifit form her pretending and they weren't there. I guess the audience could benifit from it but this has never been a fourth wall breaking story so I'm doubtful on that as well.
2. I don't believe she didn't remember the MC. In fact, the MC is probably one of two humans she actually cares to remember at all because the MC is the only way she gets to have her fun.
3. I am not sure what you mean by this one. Are you saying that Arsa is somehow connected to the MC?
I had not considered that Arsa could be in on the plan from the very begining. The theory is possible. The story shows that her former companion was absolutely cruel to her so she would have no love lossed for her. Also, we know that Arsa doesn't care about being erased so she would have no issue with that either. I don't know if Nael is just warming up to Arsa over time or if it started out that way but it does certaintly appear that Nael has come to at least tolerate Arsa as evidenced by her appearance at the big reveal.
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My 3 points refered to the introduction of the seventh Primordial, I could have made that clearer.
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Just wanna say, that berkil is a great dev who deserve support.
SUPPORT HIM MASSIVELY !
SUPPORT HIM MASSIVELY !
Man, this is an awesome novel. It reminded me of Breaking Bad - at first it seems a bit boring and ordinary, but give it a chance and you can't get away from it. I read all 11 chapters in one breath. You may not be Dostoevsky, but you are a really talented writer. The story is just gorgeous. It has everything: drama, comedy, action, thriller...I hope you will bring this story to the end and I wish you good luck in it. I am really burdened that I can't support you from my country, for you deserve it more than anyone else. Just please keep going. And I am glad you are German, for Germans have always been known for their hard work and discipline. I would like to say a lot more compliments, but I don't think there is any point.
PS: I had a funny story with the choice of MC's name. I didn't read the opening scene with Clara and Nael, so I didn't remember the girls' names...unlike my subconscious. So when it came to picking a name - I called MC Noel=)))))) And although in the aftermath it seemed very symbolic to me that they would even have the same names - I decided to start the game over and change the name. And since shortly before that I watched a youtube video about Thomas Muller, this name came to my mind. And then it turned out that the MC's last name was Anderson=)))))) At least with the companion name I didn't have to think long)))
PS: I had a funny story with the choice of MC's name. I didn't read the opening scene with Clara and Nael, so I didn't remember the girls' names...unlike my subconscious. So when it came to picking a name - I called MC Noel=)))))) And although in the aftermath it seemed very symbolic to me that they would even have the same names - I decided to start the game over and change the name. And since shortly before that I watched a youtube video about Thomas Muller, this name came to my mind. And then it turned out that the MC's last name was Anderson=)))))) At least with the companion name I didn't have to think long)))
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