VN Ren'Py Abandoned Conquered Hearts [v0.15] [Studio Filth]

[Luis Nope]

It's the problem, I hardly find Pete charismatic in any way. It's why me and a lot are surprised by this choice, kingdom hearts don't lack charismatic jerk but Pete is more a clown than a jerk.

I wouldn't say he is the perfect for the job, i would even be very into seeing Dr Facilier on the role, Jafar would also be okay I guess...

 

[Kalrotix]

I wouldn't say he is the perfect for the job, i would even be very into seeing Dr Facilier on the role, Jafar would also be okay I guess...

I'm totaly agree. Hades, Xehanort could also be valid candidates.

 

[bumnedfe]

Princess and Witch Trainer are counted as complete on this site.

Yeah, but Witch Trainer Silver, the thread that actually gets all of the activity for that game, is not (less than 200 posts vs 4k+). Once again, searching for the completed tag misleads.

And both have Genie as a paunchy old man. You can make him train in PT to gain muscle and lose the paunch. But you can't argue that he's old. He even calls himself 'Old Man'..

He's not an Adonis or pretty-boy, but he's far from being designed to be actively repulsive like the actual fat old man characters are. Alan Rickman and Generic Robed Man Loosely Based On His Aladdin Appearance are a far cry from that and you know it. And of course he's old, he's a genie, he's been in that lamp for centuries? Despite this, he's far from the oldest looking character in those games.

I do follow FET where you're currently playing an old man in Book 4 to corrupt Korra.

Ok, so, like a quarter of the game? And for the rest of it?

DmD is a bit iffy on calling the mc an old man, or not. He's in his late 40's, I believe, so that comes down to personal opinion.
SU...How the hell old IS Lex, anyways?

You are getting caught up on the age, I think? Like, nobody is complaining about Pete because he is "too old". Even if 45~ish is "old" (I don't think it is, as you say it is personal opinion), the DMD main character is, at worst, conventionally alright looking and in good shape for his age. He's not got rolls of fat. He's not one pair of tusks from being able to play an Orc in Lord of the Rings. I have given up on SU ever being good, but the same is true for Lex, even though as far as I recall his age is never stated (at least when I played). An attractive 40-ish man (or potentially older, see the trope of the silver fox) is a completely different proposition to the fat old man trope. Just being a bit older than your average protagonist isn't enough to qualify. Hugh Laurie is 53, making him older than any of the characters in the examples I gave, except for a body you posses for 25% of 4ET (and Genie who is a magic spirit). But compare him to the actual prototypical fat ugly bastard and you'll see there's a stark, obvious difference. While the posters complaining about having to play as Pete might not be totally thrilled to play as Hugh Laurie either, they certainly wouldn't be complaining nearly as much. Again, nobody is complaining about Pete because he is "too old". They are complaining because to them, he is unappealing to look at or imagine having any type of sex, and his writing in his source material has been pretty one-note with a shitty personality and all the dynamism of a doorstop.

And its a perfect metric because, as you said, its more popular there and thus it would be a larger part of the average. So whether I use 'complete' or not, the Japanese ones still hold a larger portion of the average. That's what 'average' is, after all.

I don't think that's true at all? Everything I see points to the Japanese ones not even coming close to holding such a portion of uploads, and if it's a question of which games are more popular (as much as F95's search allow you to determine that) they get destroyed. Of the top 40 games by thread postcount (F95 doesn't seem to let you sort by views? why?) with the corruption tag, there is one (1) Japanese game, Teaching Feeling, which in fact does not even feature a fat old man. The rest are entirely Western. From 40 to 100 there's like 3. And the proportion of those games, Western or Japanese, that feature a fat old guy is also pretty low (even counting a bunch of games having them as incidental scenes - i.e. Dreams of Desire has that one scene etc.).

Also, I've seen several games in the list where 'corruption' feels like a false tag. Or is only a small number of the characters. MotH, for instance. After playing through myself, I can only remember the older sister and mother being actually 'corrupted'. Though the mother is only corrupted into giving in, since she was already sexually interested in the mc and was beating herself up over it. The younger sister was gleefully hedonistic and didn't take any corrupting to start 'playing' with the mc. The cop was already corrupt. The younger sister's friend was already curious about sex. So the corruption tag in that game, while accurate, is still limited in scope. I haven't played it in a long time, so if there are more you actually corrupt I don't remember them.
There are also games that use a corruption tag when its actually just the mc making lots of girls rely on and fall in love with them. That isn't corruption, but still gets the tag. Which skews the average, but only by a small amount.

I'm not sure if this is really the place for a discussion on the merits of/possible improvements to F95's tagging system. Yes, sometimes games are tagged only for partial content, but that content is still present. And if I may say so, you're the one who first based their argument off a search relying on tags.

So, yeah. The largest average percentage of corruption type games feature fat, old, or fat and old men. And most are Japanese. The number of western ones are rising, but they're still a long way off since Japan keeps making more.

As I indicated above, on F95 (i.e. games available in English) this simply isn't true. If you want to count untranslated games I guess you can, but that's a completely different conversation and not the direction you started in with your corruption tag search.

 

[Macattack]

would Xehanort not have made more since? hell he has diffent forms he can even use! hard skip on the furry crap

 

[Rythan25]

The hotness of Alice (one of the least developed and youngest of the princesses) has me intrigued...but the grossness of playing as Pete counter balances it... will wait till further versions... maybe once the art for Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, and Belle are revealed I may be able to overlook fat disgusting Pete...

EDIT - Seeing tons of hate for Pete in this thread warmed my heart... honestly he is the worst choice... if people keep saying it makes sense from a morality standpoint, he is still total trash.. and tons of better antagonists could have been used... basically all of Organization 13 would have worked including the girl (Larxene)...

I think the best fits for a corruption standpoint would be
1. Marluxia (due to his flower theme and sadism)
2. Xenmas (for his need to control)
3. Saix (due to his uncaring nature)
4. Zexion (due to his "studying action/reaction nature).
5. Larxene (she was a total bitch !!)

Shit even Ansem Seed of Darkness would work, since he was the one collecting the "princesses hearts" before Xenmas was even a thing.

 

[kleper666]

'Kingdom Hearts'? okay, I'm officially hyped.

 

[kratoscar2008]

Everything look quite good but like some people, Pete is a huge turn off to me. Never liked the big fatty pig with no charisma and it always made me wonder why is it a thing. Here, it's not helping a lot. I can understand that some people like it even if I can't understand why, we can't please everyone.

Still, it's actually interesting and has a lot of potential, just not for me.

See this


As for me well i prefer my male MC corruption games with an OC that has a generic or at least interesting look. Ugly fat dudes only make sense if the game is a female MC game or where the MC is the cuck, not in games where the POV is from the male MC.

How about Master Xehanort?

I prefer OC MCs. When playing as an established character i cant really think "im this guy". Thats why i prefer nameable OC MCs, which is why it makes me sad see a parody of an ip i like but the MC is an established character.

 

[Kalrotix]

Personaly it's not even to think that "i'm this guy" but more than seeing characters like Pete "in action" cut my erection.

 

[flossy123]

As others have said this is gonna be a pass for me as well. I mean and ugly bastard AND furry....ya no its like you have the whole Disney and Square Enix line up and you chose pete....what nasty spawn is coming out of Kairi?

 

[Kalrotix]

Yep, after it's just the demo, maybe that they will change the main character after reading the critics. In this case, I would be ready to pay for this game.

 

[kre131]

downloading. thanks

 

[kleper666]

Yep, after it's just the demo, maybe that they will change the main character after reading the critics. In this case, I would be ready to pay for this game.

Of course, I'm sure they will change their style for a few haters.

 

[Kalrotix]

Of course, I'm sure they will change their style for a few haters.

Hey, hope make live

 

[kratoscar2008]

Of course, I'm sure they will change their style for a few haters.

You would be surprised how effective it can be sometimes.
Taffy Tales started as an NTR focused game and after feedback it gave more focus to the MC.
Or Dandy Adventures where the relatives were off limits but then they added them.
Though some fat dude with a big wallet might push for Pete.

 

[kleper666]

You would be surprised how effective it can be sometimes.
Taffy Tales started as an NTR focused game and after feedback it gave more focus to the MC.
Or Dandy Adventures where the relatives were off limits but then they added them.
Though some fat dude with a big wallet might push for Pete.

Of course bitching is a powerful weapon xD, but if the dev have no will(cuz you can't please everyone)he could easily drop his project, that happens a lot.

 

[Mαlice]

Of course, I'm sure they will change their style for a few haters.

There is a difference between haters and people giving opinions without causing any drama. A lot of people are suggesting a change of main character is necessary due to the appeal and as a developer, the main cause of concern is that you want to attract the most attention towards your creation, especially when you have began a Patreon that is thriving off said project, thus you need to listen to certain criticism and take down notes on what you can change or improve to gain that wider audience range that will want to enjoy your content for a long time to come.

I'm certain as there is Q & A on their Discord, there is a suggestion channel as well and if they do have such a thing there, then they are open to listening to peoples ideas and are willing to make a few adjustments, otherwise if they were angry as the comments being made, they would not create something like that in the first place and it has been proven with communitys like Dandy Boy Adventures that socialising with members, sharing ideas and combining them together makes a much more successful product that everyone enjoys and also brings in a hefty profit for those that are interested or new to the scene.

 

[Kalrotix]

FabeFelix said it well.

After i'm not sure that they have a Discord for the moment. So for the moment I just said my remarks on their patreon page.

 

[kleper666]

There is a difference between haters and people giving opinions without causing any drama. A lot of people are suggesting a change of main character is necessary due to the appeal and as a developer, the main cause of concern is that you want to attract the most attention towards your creation, especially when you have began a Patreon that is thriving off said project, thus you need to listen to certain criticism and take down notes on what you can change or improve to gain that wider audience range that will want to enjoy your content for a long time to come.

I'm certain as there is Q & A on their Discord, there is a suggestion channel as well and if they do have such a thing there, then they are open to listening to peoples ideas and are willing to make a few adjustments, otherwise if they were angry as the comments being made, they would not create something like that in the first place and it has been proven with communitys like Dandy Boy Adventures that socialising with members, sharing ideas and combining them together makes a much more successful product that everyone enjoys and also brings in a hefty profit for those that are interested or new to the scene.

I agree, but you can easily see the difference between a constructive criticism and garbage, just because you don't like something means that is a bad thing.

 

[Kalrotix]

I agree, but you can easily see the difference between a constructive criticism and garbage, just because you don't like something means that is a bad thing.

Interesting, for the moment it seems for me that our criticisms were valid. We don't like the main character and don't feel invested in him. The fact that you don't see this as a problem could be some for us. And we just give our opinion, it would be better to have another character as the MC. We didn't insult the dev our his work, as we said the quality of his arts is great and the story look interesting. They are a only one problem for us.

 

[Agniwolf]

tbh a game with pete as main would work in a slightly different setting

what if instead of kh they kept it to the mickey, goofy and donald exclusive furryverse?

make him corrupt minie and daisy, stage threesomes along his wife from the goof troop cartoon, etc...

EDIT: there is also the other solution

keep pete but make him a selectable villain to be the mc, just make it so the player choose which dysney villain should be the corruptor, and yes, i say only the dysney cartoon/movie villains