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Jeezus…it’s a farging porn VN game. You want perfect logic? Must be great fun to watch a movie with you. Oh, when the police captain pulled the guards off of Vito Corleone why didn’t they just kill him immediately after? Rose jumped off the Titanic into freezing water, yet didn’t die of hypothermia even while floating on a piece of wood…soaked. You mean they didn’t stop the fight in Rocky after the 5th round? FFS
You can suspend disbelief from time to time(like, hiring a couple in an infiltration mission, where who knows what may happen - oh, conflict of interests. How unexpected), but when it's totally meh - it's meh.
What would've been the best solution for that update(IMO, of course)? Give 'em a drunken kiss, which doesn't feel like Leon boy's pushing it. If you want him to play the role of a guy who steals her through feelings, not magic dick - go all-in.
There was the second way, however: give her some kind of impossible task/choice: kill Alan-sleep with Leon or something like it.
And that's just the first two things that come to mind.
Instead, we've gotten this.
I don't mind her fucking Leon with "oh, I can't hold these feelings off". But it should happen later, not in the midst of first Act.

With that being said, Harrison's probably the route I like the most(if he is one of LIs, and not one random encounter). Getting corrupted through being domineering is a rare thing I see in this subgenre(probably, the first time I see it, actually), since in 90% of cases it's either blackmail or straight up rape/Stockholm syndrome.
 

UpravDom

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Sorry but it seems like you are the one going around and targeting those who don't seem to agree with your opinion just like how you picked mine out even if my comment wasn't for you. So many people enjoyed the Leon scene with Clara and only the minority who hated it are being more vocal here as expected.

I have long since stopped trying to explain what the game is trying to convey to people like you because I want to respect this thread rules.

Those who were looking for explanation to why the cheating happened can kindly read my earlier comment or ignore if they want to force their opinion on me. That is why I put it out there.

But since you already picked my comment to nitpick on, let me pick something back,

Clara's actions are undoubtedly bad and considered a betrayal by many, but they serve a purpose, in fact, the most important purpose from a plot perspective. It shows and exhibits complicated moral dilemma and human weaknesses to the story. Its quite realistic that everyone has dark desires in their heart and so many succumb to it, even more so under extreme and stressful conditions.

In regards to forgiveness, it falls on Alan's( or the player's) discretion whether or not to forgive Clara. You argued that Alan's trust and faith in her will never be fully regained, but that entirely depends on his character's ability to forgive. There are indeed instances where people have successfully rebuilt trust after experiencing a major betrayal. There is always 2 sides to a coin even if it won't be perfect.

As for Clara's traumatic past which is yet to be made clear, it might not justify her actions, but it should be a significant aspect of her character development and might provide a possible explanation for her actions, perhaps even adding a sense of realism to the story.
You still think she cheated because of a "kiss" and that is proof that you barely understood what is happening between the main characters or you simply skipped or didn't care to pay more attention to everything that happened before.

Depicting characters with perfect moral compasses would be unrealistic and unrelatable; we all have our flaws and make mistakes.

When it comes to lessons and consequences, the story isn't over yet. We have yet to see how Clara's adulterous actions will shape her future and whether the consequences will lead her to accept responsibility for her actions.

Moreover, netorare stories are a niche genre that doesn't appeal to everyone, but they thrive on evoking strong emotions. The purpose is to challenge the players and provoke "healthy" discussion rather than make an echo chamber of ntr haters.

But when all is said and done, the dev's choices may not align with the preferences of every person, but they create interesting drama and thought-provoking scenarios than the usual boring cliche where the woman is forced into cheating compared to doing so out of her own will because of "unique" circumstances rather than just simple cheating. "Being forced into cheating" plots are so predictable and overdone that even a pig can guess how it will end. You pick any ntr story out of 100 and 99 times you will get the same thing.

But people are free to dislike what they don't like but what baffles me is why they stick around instead of moving on lol
Listen up! You should be a lawyer, not a policeman! Because you are very patient and know how to defend your opinion in a reasoned manner! I agree with you!A compromise is needed! There are several endings planned in the game, but in order to reconcile all sides, the epilogue should look like this: Alan takes a crying Clara by the hand, and together they go over the horizon! And dear readers, they just watch and reflect on the meaning of life! It seems to me that the game can be given an additional plus sign for the fact that all the characters' faces are new! I haven't seen these faces in other games! It is important! I also follow the game "Perfect Marriage", where the main idea is slow burning, and therefore the main character Anna suffers without sex, and there are outsiders who are looking for an opportunity to have sex with Anna! Old Marvin is the most persistent contender! Readers are salivating in anticipation of the main course! And suddenly screenshots from another game appear on the network, where Anna is already fucking in all poses with old Marvin. Even the names match! A beautiful picture, of course, but such a coincidence spoils the impression of a good game! I want to say something nasty! That's what old Marvin went through 2 brain strokes, but after the last stroke he was very successfully paralyzed! Martin always has a dick, so Marvin can fuck Anna until he dies of a heart attack!!!
 

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Listen up! You should be a lawyer, not a policeman! Because you are very patient and know how to defend your opinion in a reasoned manner! I agree with you!A compromise is needed! There are several endings planned in the game, but in order to reconcile all sides, the epilogue should look like this: Alan takes a crying Clara by the hand, and together they go over the horizon! And dear readers, they just watch and reflect on the meaning of life! It seems to me that the game can be given an additional plus sign for the fact that all the characters' faces are new! I haven't seen these faces in other games! It is important! I also follow the game "Perfect Marriage", where the main idea is slow burning, and therefore the main character Anna suffers without sex, and there are outsiders who are looking for an opportunity to have sex with Anna! Old Marvin is the most persistent contender! Readers are salivating in anticipation of the main course! And suddenly screenshots from another game appear on the network, where Anna is already fucking in all poses with old Marvin. Even the names match! A beautiful picture, of course, but such a coincidence spoils the impression of a good game! I want to say something nasty! That's what old Marvin went through 2 brain strokes, but after the last stroke he was very successfully paralyzed! Martin always has a dick, so Marvin can fuck Anna until he dies of a heart attack!!!
I told someone here before I was probably meant to be a lawyer. But for now I shall be the lawyer for this game and be the devil's advocate for our lovely agent, Clara :geek:
 

UpravDom

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The plot of the game seems to have already spun to the maximum! Now Anna is not only looking at Alan with loving eyes, but also twirling her ass in front of him and even showed off her body in the shower. But should we take a swing at a new level of destruction, for example, let's Mr. Brown demand that Clara break up with her boyfriend! Leon will convince Alan that Clara can only be saved if Alan starts dating Anna! Like Clara and Alan have nothing in common! Anna will certainly take advantage of the situation: kisses and hugs in public! Living together, drinking hot drinks and other means of rapprochement! True love, of course, can win in many situations, but only when the spouses act in unison and fully trust each other. But if Clara sleeps with Brown regularly, and Alan accepts Anna's courtship, then at the end of the game everyone can only do work and look for a "mole"! The end of the story is quite hot, but also dramatic! At least Alan will stay alive, with coffee and a woman! :unsure: :cool:
 
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mindexcursion

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Good idea! Expecially when Alan is forced to watch that Clara has to enter into a marriage-like relationship with Mr. Brown. Both, Clara and Alan, see how there previous partners have to let go and experience new things.
Both could suffer from it and break down, or come to terms with the situation and it could even excite them.
 
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The plot of the game seems to have already spun to the maximum! Now Anna is not only looking at Alan with loving eyes, but also twirling her ass in front of him and even showed off her body in the shower. But should we take a swing at a new level of destruction, for example, let's Mr. Brown demand that Clara break up with her boyfriend! Leon will convince Alan that Clara can only be saved if Alan starts dating Anna! Like Clara and Alan have nothing in common! Anna will certainly take advantage of the situation: kisses and hugs in public! Living together, drinking hot drinks and other means of rapprochement! True love, of course, can win in many situations, but only when the spouses act in unison and fully trust each other. But if Clara sleeps with Brown regularly, and Alan accepts Anna's courtship, then at the end of the game everyone can only do work and look for a "mole"! The end of the story is quite hot, but also dramatic! At least Alan will stay alive, with coffee and a woman! :unsure: :cool:
Sounds like possible routes.
 

UpravDom

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Good idea! Expecially when Alan is forced to watch that Clara has to enter into a marriage-like relationship with Mr. Brown. Both, Clara and Alan, see how there previous partners have to let go and experience new things.
Both could suffer from it and break down, or come to terms with the situation and it could even excite them.
To make the time pass faster before the next update, you can make a forecast of the development of events! So far, there are two options for Clara. In any case, Clara will have to prove her loyalty to Mr. Brown every new day! In the first case, Clara is already sexually involved with Mr. Brown and Brown would like to tame Clara completely! In the second case, Clara bought off dirt on the first day, but the second day is ahead and then constant communication with the Brown family. Something hot is going to happen anyway! And most likely, Mr. Brown will not want to share Clara with his boyfriend. There will be other scenarios, but Mr. Brown is the last boss and he will definitely be present! But in any case, these will be combinations of Alan and Clara's bundles with each other and with other characters! We are waiting and hoping that everything will be fine...
 

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To make the time pass faster before the next update, you can make a forecast of the development of events! So far, there are two options for Clara. In any case, Clara will have to prove her loyalty to Mr. Brown every new day! In the first case, Clara is already sexually involved with Mr. Brown and Brown would like to tame Clara completely! In the second case, Clara bought off dirt on the first day, but the second day is ahead and then constant communication with the Brown family. Something hot is going to happen anyway! And most likely, Mr. Brown will not want to share Clara with his boyfriend. There will be other scenarios, but Mr. Brown is the last boss and he will definitely be present! But in any case, these will be combinations of Alan and Clara's bundles with each other and with other characters! We are waiting and hoping that everything will be fine...
I think providing one teaser from upcoming update would be good.
 

UpravDom

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Suppose there are no teasers available! Then let's go back to the main character named Alan! Alan is still blissfully unaware of what is happening to Clara. Sex in a couple is not yet possible! At the same time, Clara began to get used to other people's big dicks! Alan can't boast of such a member! What to do? There is a famous expression: Abraham Lincoln gave people freedom, Colonel Colt equalized their chances! Therefore, Alan must be able to shoot colts "Macedonian" and delicately use intimate "toys" to equalize the chances in the intimate sphere! If Alan wants to fight for Clara!
 

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You keep saying it's a game but isn't the dev trying to tell a story? Almost all the devs are trying to create something with their story, otherwise it would just be sex scene after sex scene making it pure porn(I'm sure there are those that would prefer things like that). Having inconsistancies in a story doesn't help the story it hurts it, pointing them out can help others make future stories better. The dev may see it, future devs might see it and take note, others might point it out if they communicate with them on other platforms etc. Inconsistancies can make a good story bad. What I keep seeing is everyone using compartmentalize to justify certain parts they like but avoiding the fact it could be used elsewhere to change certain things also making it a double standard of it's good for my story but not if it hurts my story. If your going to use something you need to take the good with the bad or not use it at all is my point. BTW didn't like Titanic or Rocky movies after the first.
Yes, and stories, unless they are works of noted literature, usually have inconsistencies in them. Now, one can argue the Leon scene should’ve come later, but you are disregarding the fact that this is a story about corruption and sex. You would like the corruption to be slower. Ok, cool. A lot of supporters were clamoring for the opposite. As I have stated numerous times on this platform, it is a fine line for the Dev in corruption stories as to when to “pull the trigger.” No one is ever happy. While you wish for the corruption to be slower, many do not. What I appreciate about this Dev is how he reveals the inner turmoil of the female. There is regret, disbelief and shame. Not many corruption stories I can think of adequately explore these emotions.
 

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You can suspend disbelief from time to time(like, hiring a couple in an infiltration mission, where who knows what may happen - oh, conflict of interests. How unexpected), but when it's totally meh - it's meh.
What would've been the best solution for that update(IMO, of course)? Give 'em a drunken kiss, which doesn't feel like Leon boy's pushing it. If you want him to play the role of a guy who steals her through feelings, not magic dick - go all-in.
There was the second way, however: give her some kind of impossible task/choice: kill Alan-sleep with Leon or something like it.
And that's just the first two things that come to mind.
Instead, we've gotten this.
I don't mind her fucking Leon with "oh, I can't hold these feelings off". But it should happen later, not in the midst of first Act.

With that being said, Harrison's probably the route I like the most(if he is one of LIs, and not one random encounter). Getting corrupted through being domineering is a rare thing I see in this subgenre(probably, the first time I see it, actually), since in 90% of cases it's either blackmail or straight up rape/Stockholm syndrome.
It’s never the “right time” in corruption stories. Either it happens to soon or to late - no one is ever happy. At least that is my take on it as I’ve stated numerous times on this platform. Dev is always in a no win situation. Instead, I look at the totality of the work. I appreciate the inner dialogue - the conveyance of shame, regret and disbelief. While we can argue about inconsistencies and actions taken to soon, the emotions the Dev brings into this work is a rarity in my opinion. Let us not fool ourselves, it is a porn VN. I think it quite well done, inconsistencies and all.
 

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Yes, and stories, unless they are works of noted literature, usually have inconsistencies in them. Now, one can argue the Leon scene should’ve come later, but you are disregarding the fact that this is a story about corruption and sex. You would like the corruption to be slower. Ok, cool. A lot of supporters were clamoring for the opposite. As I have stated numerous times on this platform, it is a fine line for the Dev in corruption stories as to when to “pull the trigger.” No one is ever happy. While you wish for the corruption to be slower, many do not. What I appreciate about this Dev is how he reveals the inner turmoil of the female. There is regret, disbelief and shame. Not many corruption stories I can think of adequately explore these emotions.
While it's true a dev is always in a "spot" for when it happens it should be beneficial to the story not because everyone just wants to see sex scenes which is usually the case. Unfortunately most corruption/netorare fans are only there to see the sex scenes, you could have a LI get touched one time and become a total slut and they'd be overcome with joy. the thing is and it's not a very popular line of thought amongst the players/readers is the dev needs to create the story the way they want to not just throw stuff in because people keep asking for it. Look at all the people asking about femdom recently. Enough pressure put on a dev usully means they will add a scene or something to appease the crowd but alot of times it will be inconsistant with the story or mess up the plotline. unfortunately most devs don't stick to their guns and will add what the supporters want to see instead of doing things their way. This game was advertised as a slowburn yet the cheating scene happens early on, not really a slowburn now is it? I understand devs change their minds about things but letting your followers/supporters decide what direction/should happen next usually ends up with a shit storyline as most only want the sex scenes and don't care if it ruins the story. As I said in my previous post you could make a game that is nothing but sex scenes and it would get alot of support from those same people since that's all they want anyways. At the end of the day it's the dev who has to decide if they want to keep true to their creation or just let others decide how it turns out.

BTW it's an adult VN not a porn VN. It will have some adult/porn elements but it's still usually trying to tell a story. Take a look at some of the top rated on this site and you will see they balance things pretty well and have good storylines which is why they are the top rated. Not sure if PC is still top rated as of writing this but there are always a bunch of people asking about incest with the mom in the game and have been for a long time, the dev has stuck to their guns and told people no because it does not fit his story but they all keep trying still. If the story is a good one the dev has to focus on keeping it that way and not letting others dictate/choose how things will unravel in order to stay good. Not trying to bash you or argue just trying to let you understand that in order to be successful a dev has to stick to their story/plotlines and let things unravel the way they want if it's a good story, otherwise it goes the path of starting good and then going down the drain when others who don't care about the story start dictating/influencing what happens next.
 
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While it's true a dev is always in a "spot" for when it happens it should be beneficial to the story not because everyone just wants to see sex scenes which is usually the case. Unfortunately most corruption/netorare fans are only there to see the sex scenes, you could have a LI get touched one time and become a total slut and they'd be overcome with joy. the thing is and it's not a very popular line of thought amongst the players/readers is the dev needs to create the story the way they want to not just throw stuff in because people keep asking for it. Look at all the people asking about femdom recently. Enough pressure put on a dev usully means they will add a scene or something to appease the crowd but alot of times it will be inconsistant with the story or mess up the plotline. unfortunately most devs don't stick to their guns and will add what the supporters want to see instead of doing things their way. This game was advertised as a slowburn yet the cheating scene happens early on, not really a slowburn now is it? I understand devs change their minds about things but letting your followers/supporters decide what direction/should happen next usually ends up with a shit storyline as most only want the sex scenes and don't care if it ruins the story. As I said in my previous post you could make a game that is nothing but sex scenes and it would get alot of support from those same people since that's all they want anyways. At the end of the day it's the dev who has to decide if they want to keep true to their creation or just let others decide how it turns out.

BTW it's an adult VN not a porn VN. It will have some adult/porn elements but it's still usually trying to tell a story. Take a look at some of the top rated on this site and you will see they balance things pretty well and have good storylines which is why they are the top rated. Not sure if PC is still top rated as of writing this but there are always a bunch of people asking about incest with the mom in the game and have been for a long time, the dev has stuck to their guns and told people no because it does not fit his story but they all keep trying still. If the story is a good one the dev has to focus on keeping it that way and not letting others dictate/choose how things will unravel in order to stay good. Not trying to bash you or argue just trying to let you understand that in order to be successful a dev has to stick to their story/plotlines and let things unravel the way they want if it's a good story, otherwise it goes the path of starting good and then going down the drain when others who don't care about the story start dictating/influencing what happens next.
Adult VN/Porn VN - huh, are there sex scenes with full nudity? Yes? Then it's porn, sorry to break it to you. Porn movies can actually have stories as well. Some of these Devs also do this to earn money, so engaging with their subs is a way to keep the interest and the support going. I suppose my quibble is that some try to finesse these Adult VNs (as you like to call them) as if they are high art. They are not. Some do weave stories in between the PORN scenes. Guess you could say the story drives the naughtiness - as it does in this VN. Yes, there are plenty of VNs where it is all a set up to get to the PORN. This is not one of them. We can debate whether the Leon scene arrived early or not, but it doesn't detract (in my view) the work of the Dev to insert emotion into his story.
 

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Adult VN/Porn VN - huh, are there sex scenes with full nudity? Yes? Then it's porn, sorry to break it to you. Porn movies can actually have stories as well. Some of these Devs also do this to earn money, so engaging with their subs is a way to keep the interest and the support going. I suppose my quibble is that some try to finesse these Adult VNs (as you like to call them) as if they are high art. They are not. Some do weave stories in between the PORN scenes. Guess you could say the story drives the naughtiness - as it does in this VN. Yes, there are plenty of VNs where it is all a set up to get to the PORN. This is not one of them. We can debate whether the Leon scene arrived early or not, but it doesn't detract (in my view) the work of the Dev to insert emotion into his story.
I understand the need to engage the supporters but letting them decide what gets added/directions the story goes/etc can have negative effects on the story and the devs reputation. I forget what thread I was reading a while back where some guys told me about someone who was a top supporter of an up and coming game for a few months talked the dev into doing something that they knew would screw with the fanbase(put netorare into a harem game). Basically it caused 90% of the devs supporters to walk away from him and his game causing it to be abandoned and the dev to stop making games. The guy did it on purpose, don't know why, or if maybe the dev tried again under a different name. Not saying it will happen here or anywhere again but it's something to think about when you let others determine the storyline. Unfortunately we have people who do stuff like that and as I said others who just want to see what they want regardless of how it effects the storyline or game.

I understand you and some of the others here think it was good, but there were alot more people discussing the game before that, now think if any of those were supporters or might have possibly become supporters. I don't have the numbers or information to say if it was good or bad but it is a possibility that if the scene was released later or optional on a certain path that the dev might have retained some of the people who left and maybe earned more supporters in the long term. Again not saying it was a good or bad thing just that it may have garnered more support if it played out differently. Especially after the dev had been talking about a "faithful" wife route prior to that scene, which imo was why those people were playing to see how the dev would make that route in a story like this.
 

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I understand the need to engage the supporters but letting them decide what gets added/directions the story goes/etc can have negative effects on the story and the devs reputation. I forget what thread I was reading a while back where some guys told me about someone who was a top supporter of an up and coming game for a few months talked the dev into doing something that they knew would screw with the fanbase(put netorare into a harem game). Basically it caused 90% of the devs supporters to walk away from him and his game causing it to be abandoned and the dev to stop making games. The guy did it on purpose, don't know why, or if maybe the dev tried again under a different name. Not saying it will happen here or anywhere again but it's something to think about when you let others determine the storyline. Unfortunately we have people who do stuff like that and as I said others who just want to see what they want regardless of how it effects the storyline or game.

I understand you and some of the others here think it was good, but there were alot more people discussing the game before that, now think if any of those were supporters or might have possibly become supporters. I don't have the numbers or information to say if it was good or bad but it is a possibility that if the scene was released later or optional on a certain path that the dev might have retained some of the people who left and maybe earned more supporters in the long term. Again not saying it was a good or bad thing just that it may have garnered more support if it played out differently. Especially after the dev had been talking about a "faithful" wife route prior to that scene, which imo was why those people were playing to see how the dev would make that route in a story like this.
There was never a true faithful route included. There are only two active routes right now. Corruption and Penalty route as stated by the dev. I know you must have seen the early message by the dev in this thread where he mentioned a "Faithful" route. He clearly explained his idea of being "faithful" isn't through body but through heart. As long as Clara still loves Alan, she is "faithful" to him. It would seem like a twisted idea of being "Faithful" but it fits the narrative of a corruption game like this. So technically she can still be "faithful" as per the dev's idea and not succumb to the bad guys. The penalty path might lead to that "faithful" route.

The ones you saw "talking" about the game before was when the cheating update dropped and the minority who got butthurt were the ones "Talking" in here more. But game has only gotten more support over the months and I think that's proof enough instead of analyzing the people "talking" here as proof.

But hypothetically, if a true faithful route was included, it would just take time away from the game and wouldn't really fit in a corruption game. The dev would just have to waste more time in giving a boring and cliche happy ending. If people wanted vanilla endings, they could just play a vanilla game instead of playing a corruption game. Any logical being would do the same. I came here for the ntr and to explore the various options related to it and not to see the gal being all perfect and faithful until the end. That's just boring for a ntr fan like me.
 
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There was never a true faithful route included. There are only two active routes right now. Corruption and Penalty route as stated by the dev. I know you must have seen the early message by the dev in this thread where he mentioned a "Faithful" route. He clearly explained his idea of being "faithful" isn't through body but through heart. As long as Clara still loves Alan, she is "faithful" to him. It would seem like a twisted idea of being "Faithful" but it fits the narrative of a corruption game like this. So technically she can still be "faithful" as per the dev's idea and not succumb to the bad guys. The penalty path might lead to that "faithful" route.

The ones you saw "talking" about the game before was when the cheating update dropped and the minority who got butthurt were the ones "Talking" in here more. But game has only gotten more support over the months and I think that's proof enough instead of analyzing the people "talking" here as proof.

But hypothetically, if a true faithful route was included, it would just take time away from the game and wouldn't really fit in a corruption game. The dev would just have to waste more time in giving a boring and cliche happy ending. If people wanted vanilla endings, they could just play a vanilla game instead of playing a corruption game. Any logical being would do the same. I came here for the ntr and to explore the various options related to it and not to see the gal being all perfect and faithful until the end. That's just boring for a ntr fan like me.
If you notice all my faithful referring to this story have been in quotes, not once did I not place it in quotes showing I understood what the dev meant even if he can't or didn't articulate what he meant properly. The term he should have used instead of faithful was loyal. She can still be loyal to Alan even if she is unfaithful, not being able to articulate properly shows he still has much to learn about writing, I didn't say any of this before as it would seem I'm trying to attack him or his abilities. Instead I was pointing out the flaws in what he wrote and how he tried to describe things.

Funny you say it was a minority yet you say it was so many who liked it. Do you have numbers to back any of that up? If not your just making an assumption. If I saw 10 people discussing things before that scene and then only 3-4 after I could say the majority left but I have not because I don't have the numbers to say it accurately. I can also say as proof that his patreon support lost about a 3rd of it's monetary and over a third of his paid subscribers after that scene. I have not used any of that information since I don't know if any came back or if his support is all from newer people. I forget the site that shows a graph of patreon accounts but it shows it by month and gives approximate numbers, also has yearly ytd and other options. His Pat account went from over 130 down to approximately 70, money went from 1130ish down to between 7-800ish. It also went back up and back down as it seems to fluctuate up near update releases and down in the following months after. That particular month after release is when he had his biggest drop so rapidly. Again without being privvy to the specifics I never brought any of that up until now since I can't say for certainty it was caused by that scene specifically.

There would never be a truly faithful route in any netorare game as anytime someone other than the husband/boyfriend has any sexual contact with the LI it's cheating. IMO the reason people were interested in a "faithful" route was to see how the dev would let you handle Clara doing things ONLY for the mission or to protect Alan and if it would be handled in a way where forgiveness would make sense. As I and others have stated netorare doesn't always mean sex but with corruption it usually ends up that way. Without the Leon scene Clara could still have become corrupted to leave Alan from all the other interactions she has and will have with other men or she could resist and stay loyal while performing those acts. Instead it was a forced cheating scene that was the opposite of what the dev even defined as Clara being "faithful" so people were "upset" about being told one thing and then having the opposite happen(being lied to or mislead). Hence why the big uproar that happened. Did you see the post where someone attacked the dev about having a lying and misleading overview and his dev notes being the same? The dev went back and edited the first post containing those after that. As I said I know people left and/or stopped posting because they felt lied to about the change in the story.

Not saying it should have had a true faithful route as then it wouldn't be a netorare story. I said it would have been better if he had let it play out like he stated having Clara do things and get corrupted by them from the mission or to protect Alan. Honestly one of his descriptions of the way he was handling the corruption one being physical(turning her into a slut) and the other being emotional(her falling out of love with Alan) made me wonder what he was trying to do as either way the only thing that would change in the ending would be if she left Alan because of falling in love with another(emotional) or just because she wanted better and more sex with others(physical). That's the main reason I asked about the game in the first place as the story seemed interesting to me but alot of the devs explanations made no sense with what he was asking the player to do. How do you change an ending if she leaves either way, unless you become her cuck. Not alot of options there which is why I started asking questions in the thread, unfortunately it was shortly after the Leon scene so most of the comments I got were pertaining to that scene and how it was handled. I've seen more positive comments about it updates later than I did when it first came out which shows there are newer people interested in the story which is good for the dev.
 

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If you notice all my faithful referring to this story have been in quotes, not once did I not place it in quotes showing I understood what the dev meant even if he can't or didn't articulate what he meant properly. The term he should have used instead of faithful was loyal. She can still be loyal to Alan even if she is unfaithful, not being able to articulate properly shows he still has much to learn about writing, I didn't say any of this before as it would seem I'm trying to attack him or his abilities. Instead I was pointing out the flaws in what he wrote and how he tried to describe things.

Funny you say it was a minority yet you say it was so many who liked it. Do you have numbers to back any of that up? If not your just making an assumption. If I saw 10 people discussing things before that scene and then only 3-4 after I could say the majority left but I have not because I don't have the numbers to say it accurately. I can also say as proof that his patreon support lost about a 3rd of it's monetary and over a third of his paid subscribers after that scene. I have not used any of that information since I don't know if any came back or if his support is all from newer people. I forget the site that shows a graph of patreon accounts but it shows it by month and gives approximate numbers, also has yearly ytd and other options. His Pat account went from over 130 down to approximately 70, money went from 1130ish down to between 7-800ish. It also went back up and back down as it seems to fluctuate up near update releases and down in the following months after. That particular month after release is when he had his biggest drop so rapidly. Again without being privvy to the specifics I never brought any of that up until now since I can't say for certainty it was caused by that scene specifically.

There would never be a truly faithful route in any netorare game as anytime someone other than the husband/boyfriend has any sexual contact with the LI it's cheating. IMO the reason people were interested in a "faithful" route was to see how the dev would let you handle Clara doing things ONLY for the mission or to protect Alan and if it would be handled in a way where forgiveness would make sense. As I and others have stated netorare doesn't always mean sex but with corruption it usually ends up that way. Without the Leon scene Clara could still have become corrupted to leave Alan from all the other interactions she has and will have with other men or she could resist and stay loyal while performing those acts. Instead it was a forced cheating scene that was the opposite of what the dev even defined as Clara being "faithful" so people were "upset" about being told one thing and then having the opposite happen(being lied to or mislead). Hence why the big uproar that happened. Did you see the post where someone attacked the dev about having a lying and misleading overview and his dev notes being the same? The dev went back and edited the first post containing those after that. As I said I know people left and/or stopped posting because they felt lied to about the change in the story.

Not saying it should have had a true faithful route as then it wouldn't be a netorare story. I said it would have been better if he had let it play out like he stated having Clara do things and get corrupted by them from the mission or to protect Alan. Honestly one of his descriptions of the way he was handling the corruption one being physical(turning her into a slut) and the other being emotional(her falling out of love with Alan) made me wonder what he was trying to do as either way the only thing that would change in the ending would be if she left Alan because of falling in love with another(emotional) or just because she wanted better and more sex with others(physical). That's the main reason I asked about the game in the first place as the story seemed interesting to me but alot of the devs explanations made no sense with what he was asking the player to do. How do you change an ending if she leaves either way, unless you become her cuck. Not alot of options there which is why I started asking questions in the thread, unfortunately it was shortly after the Leon scene so most of the comments I got were pertaining to that scene and how it was handled. I've seen more positive comments about it updates later than I did when it first came out which shows there are newer people interested in the story which is good for the dev.
Dude, the dev isn't strictly connecting 'faithful' with the whole one-man-woman dictionary meaning. He could just be trying to show how messy and complicated relationships can get, particularly in the kind of game we are playing. So no need to lock it down to just 'loyal' and attacking how the dev writes his game just cause you didn't or can't understand his point. I and so many others here have did based on our discussions before and after you showed up here.

As for the patreon support, yeah, it dropped after the scene but only the ones who got butthurt dropped. I am glad it did cause they can stop trying to hinder the development of this game and another reason why I nicknamed the update as the "cleansing" update.

After that it went back up to 150+ as per last update. Obviously, many patrons just sub for the update and drop and wait for the next or wait longer. So there's no surprise as to why the numbers drop after an update settles down. But on average it only keeps going up. So it's a fact that more people are getting interested in the game, even after the cleansing update.

About the 'faithful' route, it sounds like you're thinking it's all about righteous choices. But to humor you, if she only did things for the sake of the mission or Alan, it will be so much easier to forgive her. Because morally, she never cheated on him. So there is no true cheating taking place here. But now it should be clear that the story is proceeding in such a way that it will make players make a complicated decision on what to do with a partner who cheated on you but under unique circumstances.

That is the highlight of this game and I am glad the game took this turn instead of going the cliche route where its all about "Forgive me because I did it for the mission and I never did anything else wrong. Then the husband will say 'Okay, baby. I will forgive you because you were forced into it." Nope, that's just too easy and simple.

If you wanted to talk about corruption, she is getting emotionally corrupted by Leon and after the cheating update, physically as well (ignoring the other bad guys).

I think the story is doing a great job of exploring the nuances of relationships, and it's not always easy to categorize Clara's actions as one thing or the other. You say you don't get how things are going to end. Then why not just wait for the story to finish and see what those 6 or 7 endings are instead of complaining before the dev can do anything.
 
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The term he should have used instead of faithful was loyal. She can still be loyal to Alan even if she is unfaithful, not being able to articulate properly shows he still has much to learn about writing.

I can also say as proof that his patreon support lost about a 3rd of it's monetary and over a third of his paid subscribers after that scene. I have not used any of that information since I don't know if any came back or if his support is all from newer people. I forget the site that shows a graph of patreon accounts but it shows it by month and gives approximate numbers, also has yearly ytd and other options. His Pat account went from over 130 down to approximately 70, money went from 1130ish down to between 7-800ish.
Most of the things you stated are correct, and yes Dev has changed the main settings of the story on several occasions. First, he put that NTR could be avoided, and then he deleted it after a month or two. Then he explained that there would be a possibility for Clara to remain faithful (not to have sex with others), and he deleted that as well. Then he explained that she would remain faithful and she would not be emotionally attached to others (but she will definitely have sex with others), but now she is emotionally attached to Leon (regardless of which "route" is chosen)... And worst of all, he made it so that regardless of which option you choose, it will always end the same way - he made every decision meaningless. He should have said at the beginning that it is a VIDEO NOVEL, not a GAME.
And not to mention that he keeps insisting that Clara is an experienced agent, but there is no one who hasn't tricked her, and soon there won't be anyone who hasn't fucked her or fucked her over.

And there was a noticeable drop in patrons and even more earnings
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And there is no need to argue with these two trolls. It's obvious they work for Dev, but I don't remember a single game where the fans act like the worst street punks insulting everyone who has a different opinion than them, in an attempt to defend their game. What's worse is that such behavior only drives people away even more.
 

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Dude, the dev isn't strictly connecting 'faithful' with the whole one-man-woman dictionary meaning. He could just be trying to show how messy and complicated relationships can get, particularly in the kind of game we are playing. So no need to lock it down to just 'loyal' and attacking how the dev writes his game just cause you didn't or can't understand his point. I and so many others here have did based on our discussions before and after you showed up here
If you don't use the definition of the word then it no longer has the same meaning. There is a reason we have definitions for words. If not then you can say any word means whatever you want it to mean, such as cat is now a dog, love is now hate, car means sex. If you literally define the word unfaithful(broke his faith), you can't then go and say that person is still faithful because they are not, they can be still loyal but not faithful. Now if Alan had agreed to Clara sleeping/doing sexual stuff with other men then yes she could still be faithful as she wouldn't have broke his faith. So any criticism of the devs work is an attack now to you. I also said one of the reasons I didn't bring up the improper articulation was I didn't want to seem like I am attacking the dev. Simple fact is words have meanings for a reason, so that everyone knows what is being said.

About the 'faithful' route, it sounds like you're thinking it's all about righteous choices. But to humor you, if she only did things for the sake of the mission or Alan, it will be so much easier to forgive her. Because morally, she never cheated on him. So there is no true cheating taking place here. But now it should be clear that the story is proceeding in such a way that it will make players make a complicated decision on what to do with a partner who cheated on you but under unique circumstances.
There is a reason it's called a "faithful" route to have righteous/"faithful" choices. It would make it easier for some to forgive but that's where the corruption part comes in. What happens when she gets to where she enjoys it does she go that extra mile to make sure sex happens or becomes even sluttier during the scenes becoming more and more depraved. That's what your not looking at and that's where the corruption comes into play. Choice: do I just flirt/tease this guy to get access to somewhere or do I bang the shit out of him to get the same thing? Flirting/teasing doesn't work so seduction is now the only way but the corruption points would be awarded differently depending on original choice. So you can see where enough corruption and she would just start going straight to the sexual stuff over trying to remain "faithful" That complicated decision your talking about would come from Alan finding out she is doing a sexual path and enjoying the sex(the point of the corruption) rather than she just bangs out his enemy for the sake of NTR(typical trope).

If you wanted to talk about corruption, she is getting emotionally corrupted by Leon and after the cheating update, physically as well (ignoring the other bad guys).
What I was talking and asking about with the corruption is how is anything supposed to change the ending if there is nothing tying her to the MC she is either emotionally corrupted, leaves him for another, or physically corrupted where she leaves him because she enjoys sex with everyone but him. The only thing to "save" the marriage is a cuck/simp option to stay while she is still banging other people. That's why I started asking about how things were going corruption wise. If you only have 3 basic options for an ending- MC failure, MC revenge and MC stays married there isn't alot of option to change things other than the characters involved. All of that makes it pretty much a typical trope netorare game. I was looking for a story that wasn't bogged down with tropes and broke out of the normal shell of netorare, The dev pushes how choices matter and can save the marriage when in actuality they don't matter other than changing which characters "stay or go". I think more people are interested in X than the actual story. They want to know the who/why about x, screw the couple and their issues(other than the sex scenes) or how they get resolved.

I think the story is doing a great job of exploring the nuances of relationships, and it's not always easy to categorize Clara's actions as one thing or the other. You say you don't get how things are going to end. Then why not just wait for the story to finish and see what those 6 or 7 endings are instead of complaining before the dev can do anything.
This is your opinion and your entitled to it, others will have different opinions. The dev has as a path save the marriage but as many have already stated he gives no reason to try to save the marriage. They had problems before the mission and now with the mission those problems have gotten worse along with Clara's cheating. I'm not seeing alot of "love" between the couple. I mean you see Alan doing things to try to help Clara and make things better for them but not much on the flip side other than I'm doing this because someone threatened to kill my husband if I don't and starting to blame/hate him for everything that's happening. No real affection on Clara's side other than her internal monologue of "I still love Alan". I am waiting to see how it ends mainly because I'm curious about X, don't really care about the marriage as I have been given no reason to care about it.
 
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