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truthpolice

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I see so insults are the way to go for you, a bit childish...

Except, I've have over 20 years as an author and editor, say what you want about someone you don't know.

If anything, everything I have put out is constructive. To say this is based on real life experiences is a bit of a stretch, I some how doubt this Dev is some super hacker or super assassin.

Yet you fall back to the whole, 'It's a VN, it's ok for the story to be shit as long as the pictures are nice.' argument. What's wrong with the story actually working too?

Really about the, he forgave him? I think you should apply what you're saying here to yourself. As you said, to comprehend this, a bare minimum attention span is necessary. So, take your own advice. Everything that is said by Clara to Alan after he sees Leon. About setting boundaries and how she's dealt with smooth talkers and people like him before. Not to worry she told him, I'm on your side.

The Leon's apology, Alan rejects it, maybe not 100%, but says that it just doesn't wipe away everything that has happened.
Tells Leon, I can't offer forgiveness yet, but he's willing to see how things go. Which means he'll work with him but doesn't forgive him, and if things go good, maybe he can forgive him. Never once did Alan forgive or get on good terms with Leon.

Then after Clara fucks Leon. The one person she's supposed to set boundaries with, and know how to deal with people like him. On her husband she dearly loves, over a kiss, after she cheated on him first and didn't give him a chance to respond too why he was kiss Anna.
Then she's upset for sleeping with Leon because of the complicated past her husband has with him. So much for those boundaries and knowing how to deal with people like him.

It is all about a kiss, she's half drunk because of a kiss, she even let's her self go because she feels bad about the kiss and suddenly Leon kissing her makes her all healed up and feeling better. It's said in the text right there for you to read. Nothing else happened between Alan and Clara, just shit with Clara she was hiding from Alan.
She felt guilt about the theater and how she betrayed him, she sees him 'kissing' Anna. Then instead of busting in the room, which the door was left open for some reason (no red flag there), like any other strong woman would, she just slinks away all pouty. Clara the strong willed assassin, deeply in love with Alan, fucks the guy her husband dislikes/hates instead of calling said husband and talking to him. Yeah makes sense.
If you push Anna away, she should have seen that, that 5 seconds she watch the kiss happen would have been enough to see you push her away. You gain Clara trust if you do, don't see how you should gain trust if she thinks you did it.

All of this after promising Alan all the things she did in regards to Leon, about setting hard boundaries and promising Alan to help him get back at Leon in some way. So, much for hard boundaries, oh Leon you're here in the middle of the night come on in and give me that dick I need. I know my husband is a phone call and short walk away and we could spend some time together, but hey you're here now... Oh I know we can't let everyone know Alan and I are married, but I'm going to go to the park with him, then the movies and out to eat several times. Then on the secret app I'm going to tell the people I'm working against and keeping it a secret I have a husband, I do have one, I'm even going to post a picture of it so everyone can see it.
I mean why keep those secrets, I just want to keep the secrets from Alan about all the fucking and sucking I do because I don't want to hurt him. I love him soooooooooooooooo much!

It makes no sense.

But hey, for her, Kiss = Fuck the dude your husband dislikes. So, if she'd have caught Alan fucking Anna, it would have been her fucking every guy in town. Oh then you have later, Alan grabbing Anna boob = no sex for Leon as long as you don't try to spy on her through Alexa. So in her book, grabbing boob is less than kissing. So maybe I'm wrong, if she caught Alan banging Anna, she'd throw him a party and fuck him for days. Because it all makes sense...

Maybe, you should go back and read the story instead of looking at the pictures only.

The story is all over the place, the characters say one thing and forget it the next scene. I liked the story up to the point she fucks Leon over a kiss, because it made zero sense for her to do so. If Clara loved Alan as much as it was said, and they had a strong relationship as it was shown. She would have opened the door and asked him what was going on, then based on your choice she would have seen you kissing or pushing Anna away.
Even if she didn't and walked off, she would have still talked to you at some point. She sure as shit wouldn't have let Leon fuck her over a kiss, not with all the back story between Alan and Leon and her promises to Alan. Stack their love on top of that and her being an assassin who would know what subduction was. Yep Leon would have been out on his ass. Would she have even let him in her apartment...

So, yeah you're right, Devs listen to this person, don't try to improve your writing. After all it's just a VN what do you need writing for when there's pictures.

You are right though, it is the Dev's story and they can write it however they want.
Looks like I hit a sore spot for a expert author like you to write a story here when I didn't even address you. Let me write a short story to highlight few things,

20 years of experience and yet you couldn't comprehend that I never mentioned Alan forgiving Leon nor dd I use the word "forgive" lol. I suppose anyone writing some fantasy from their bedroom can call themselves an author.

All I said was it would make him think "Leon might have changed for the better".

If you really paid a fraction of attention to the story then it's shown that Clara did set boundaries with Leon in the beginning. But when X came into the picture, Leon popped up as a savior. Even the first time after he helped her out after the Ben thing, she still doubted him. But Leon convinced her he was the good guy and continued to help her out and gave her a shoulder to cry on. From her perspective, if Leon was an enemy, he already had enough to bring them all down but he didn't.

After that its obvious she has already stopped keeping any boundaries with him. Oh and this is all ignoring the mental distress she was going through all these events and her troubled childhood which was mentioned. Who knows what kind of past trauma she has that just caused a snowball effect. But hey, let's judge a fictional character whose past we don't know. Mentioning this because you seem to like to point out how you don't like to be judged.

Then there is the fact that Alan is the reason she even got into this mess. I don't understand how a expert like you glazed over such a important fact and another one being that their relationship wasn't really strong from the start. Clara was rebuking him in the first update for not trusting her to do things or having faith in her. Even their life goals doesn't match.

You ask why Clara didn't barge in when Anna kissed Alan? Would you feel like you have the moral ground to stop someone from kissing when you did worse? It's shown in your face that she didn't feel the right to barge in because of her guilt.

I am not countering your other garbled and groundless points coz its a waste of time and energy for me and serves no purpose for any of us unless I get paid for it kek.
I already addressed all those in the early days but found out its like talking to a wall like now. But I just had to call out on your 20 years of experience since you seem to be very proud of it but totally missed the point I emphasized.

It isn't constructive criticism when you don't even understand what you are criticizing about. So yes all the devs in this world would be better off without the criticism of such experts. I didn't even say dev should listen to me but the opposite and yet you wrote as if I said that. So if I were you, I would think twice before showing the 20 year badge. Just a friendly advice.

Oh yea, it was also funny to see some people here getting triggered because of some armpit rub. Nobody ever heard of the word "kink"? From an earlier update it was shown Leon had a thing for armpits and pleps sobbing when he asked for a armpit rub lol
 

siath70

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I sat an thought about my comments on this story. I do feel I'm right, the story is just broken when she fucks Leon over a kiss. Not to mention a lot of other things that make no sense for an 'elite' team to miss, already talked about those though.

However, the Dev can write the story however they wish. We can voice our opinions and what we think isn't right, at the end of the day it's the Dev who has to choose how the story goes. Do they take the comments and try to improve some aspects of the story, or keep on writing how they want? There's not really a right or wrong answer to it.

For me the story was great until the fateful scene. Now I'm going to hop off this train wreck and move on as it is only going to get worse in my eyes.

So, honestly, I wish the Dev all the best. I hope to see you complete the story and be happy with what you have.
 
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With the new episode issued I started all over doing the Alan's Point of View only. I think the scene below is wrong. It is not Clara saying this but Alan thinking it.

Alan's POV - not Clara but Alan thinking.jpg
 

Fascorslolen

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You judged a man for a kinky plot twist in a purely fictional story that he wrote. In my opinion,you are not mature.
Keep the focus on the game, not the author.
You're obsessed with sex and with your mind elsewhere so tell me why someone would cheat on you for a kiss and I don't think they had a bad relationship or argued heavily...
 

siath70

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You're obsessed with sex and with your mind elsewhere so tell me why someone would cheat on you for a kiss and I don't think they had a bad relationship or argued heavily...
Let me explain it to you in simple terms...

Yup all you heard was them telling each other how much they loved each other and they got along very well.

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But, Clara was hiding a deep secret, she never loved Alan and she pretended to get along with him. It was all part of her super secret cover that would over the course of three years lead her back to the arms of her real lover Leon, she couldn't wait to be reunited with him, they both plotted how they could get Anna to kiss Alan. Once done they would have free reign to fuck and Leon could then unload inside of her as the ultimate insult to Alan. It took years of planning on their part, getting Anna in to the team, making her want Alan. But soon it would all come together and Leon and Clara could be free of Alan.

Ok so on a serious note:
According to some people, there is so much back history as to why Alan's loving wife would fuck someone her husband disliked because of a kiss. Or even anyone for that matter, all Alan has to do is kiss a girl and she can go get laid with extra cream inside. Seems fair...
Mainly, Alan's never around because only Leon is allowed to visit her, even though Alan lives pretty much right next door. So, not being a strong willed woman, who is one of the best assassins, she's lonely and doesn't know how to pick up a phone or text her husband.
Yep, Seeing her husband kiss Anna, she would never just open the door and ask what was going on, or call him to come over, even text him to find out.
Because well she so weak even though she's some super elite agent and we all know super elite agents let their emotions control them.
It's just easier to to fuck the guy your husband dislikes over a kiss, then in the morning regret it. Oh let him cum in you too as the ultimate insult to your husband.

Just trying to help you understand... Have a good day.
 
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sac812

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You're obsessed with sex and with your mind elsewhere so tell me why someone would cheat on you for a kiss and I don't think they had a bad relationship or argued heavily...
Not necessarily directed at you (you're just the most recent), but I think people complaining about Clara cheating "because of a kiss" are conveniently ignoring *everything* else that's going on.

1. Her job is high-pressure at the best of times. The stakes involved in their current mission are higher than normal. She's under an enormous amount of professional stress. And that's not even accounting for X's blackmail (let's be honest, that's what it is) forcing her into more and more uncomfortable situations.

2. Compounding said stress, she is necessarily forced to be apart from the one person who keeps her sane (Alan). Sure, they see each other every now and again, but they can't outwardly be husband-and-wife.

3. Leon, regardless of his past history with her husband, has -- publicly and privately -- consistently positioned himself as a caring, trustworthy confidant. Whether he's actually sincere about that is up for debate, but that is how Clara has come to see him, even before anything happened between the two of them.

4. Alan, traditionally a rock of support, has been contentious and annoying (depending on your choices) so far during the mission, so some negative feelings already exist that have her questioning his abilities and/or integrity. Then she sees him kissing (however briefly) "the one he told you not to worry about".

If you take a step back, what you have is an over-worked, over-stressed (and, I'd argue, over-sexed albeit for work-related reasons) woman who witnesses her husband in a moment of betrayal, shattering whatever remained of her trust. In response, she got a little tipsy, and then when presented with the one person who actually seems to care about her, gave in to a moment of temptation.

Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but I think that kind of cheating scenario happens a LOT more in the real world than some mysterious dude forcing her to get fingered by a stranger in a movie theater.

The kiss was a tipping point, but it was hardly the only (or even the *main*) reason she fucked Leon.
 
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siath70

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Not necessarily directed at you (you're just the most recent), but I think people complaining about Clara cheating "because of a kiss" are conveniently ignoring *everything* else that's going on.

1. Her job is high-pressure at the best of times. The stakes involved in their current mission are higher than normal. She's under an enormous amount of professional stress. And that's not even accounting for X's blackmail (let's be honest, that's what it is) forcing her into more and more uncomfortable situations.
She is an elite agent, elite agents are trained to deal with high pressure high stress situations. It wouldn't bother her as much as you'd think. So no, her husband is right there by her side, she can talk to him any time.

2. Compounding said stress, she is necessarily forced to be apart from the one person who keeps her sane (Alan). Sure, they see each other every now and again, but they can't outwardly be husband-and-wife.
No she's not, he lives like right next to her. All she has to do is call or text him to come over. She made the choice for him not to visit her so much, but yet she let's Leon run wild visiting her in the middle of the night. Why not the same rule for him, he's part of the team, make no sense.
Her and Alan fucking go out to the theater, the park and out to eat. Why are they hiding they have a relationship from this super elite bad people who know everything anyway?
Not only that she tells the APP she has someone and then takes a picture of Alan to boot. I'm sure the people at the top running the APP only see blurred pictures, makes no sense to hide the relationship.

3. Leon, regardless of his past history with her husband, has -- publicly and privately -- consistently positioned himself as a caring, trustworthy confidant. Whether he's actually sincere about that is up for debate, but that is how Clara has come to see him, even before anything happened between the two of them.
This I'll give you, he's making himself look good. But Alan isn't far behind and Clara told Alan she would watch out for him and set boundaries and she knew how to handle smooth talkers. Everything that happens while Leon talks to Clara before they have sex goes against this. Her letting him in the apartment in the middle of the night goes against this. Her knowing he's good with words but she knows how to handle smooth talkers, goes against this.

4. Alan, traditionally a rock of support, has been contentious and annoying (depending on your choices) so far during the mission, so some negative feelings already exist that have her questioning his abilities and/or integrity. Then she sees him kissing (however briefly) "the one he told you not to worry about".
Doesn't matter, you don't go fuck someone because you see your husband/wife that you love with all your heart kiss someone. You don't even know what the context was.

If you take a step back, what you have is an over-worked, over-stressed (and, I'd argue, over-sexed albeit for work-related reasons) woman who witnesses her husband in a moment of betrayal, shattering whatever remained of her trust. In response, she got a little tipsy, and then when presented with the one person who actually seems to care about her, gave in to a moment of temptation.

Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but I think that kind of cheating scenario happens a LOT more in the real world than some mysterious dude forcing me to get fingered by a stranger in a movie theater.

The kiss was a tipping point, but it was hardly the only (or even the *main*) reason she fucked Leon.
It was the main reason she fucked Leon.
She tells her husband to stay away but lets Leon visit in the middle of the night, makes no sense.
She says their relationship needs to be secret, but hey let me come over to your motel and fuck you hubby. Then later let's go out to the theater, park and get something to eat. Oh let me take a picture of you to let the tops in specter know you're my boyfriend/husband. I mean certainly the people controlling this APP will only see blurred pictures.
She hides everything from her team, they have no team meetings.
She should be having her husband over regularly since he lives that close, not keeping him away. Especially if she misses him and needs emotional support, they know the place is clean. Why would she keep herself from him and make their lives worse than what it is? Makes no sense...
She would not freak out on Alan and fuck someone she dislikes over a kiss for any reason. She's an elite agent (assassin) when she told Leon we can't do this and he pushed her, he would have been out the door.
I'm sorry, but she wouldn't have fucked Leon over a kiss or anything else knowing how her husband felt about him. She's played out as some one who is super loyal to her husband and will do anything to protect him because she loves him that much. She would have seen the kiss and confronted them right there, or she would have called/texted him to come over so she could ask him about it.
No amount of circular writing changes those facts. You can't display her as some super elite agent, super loyal to Alan, Loves him to death and will do anything for him. Then have her fall over with her legs in the air over a kiss, no matter how stressed she is or emotional. If she was that stressed she would have called her husband and been riding his dick from the get go in her bug free apartment.

The story is broken, make all the excuses you want, nothing fits together. There are too many holes.

Holy crap I need to stop responding to this thread, it's driving me nuts people can't see the problems with the story. All they see is pictures... Mmmmm, nice pictures... Oh, look sex pictures... Must defend...

Moving on... Again I wish the Dev the best. I'll not be posting here for a while, maybe I'll check back after a few updates.
 
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Adhdclassic

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Not knocking the Dev but people are talking again about the whole Leon and Clara sex scene and their wondering why. I am just giving my opinion. We all knew the sex scene between Leon and Clara was going to happen. We just thought we would have control of it. This reminds me of the lingerie sext pic in another game that we had no control over. I think Devs are trying to give that oh shit moment. Not realizing there giving us a what the fuck moment. I understand why they want to do it, it does create conversation about the game but can be frustrating. but it's their game. Again, just my opinion.
 

sac812

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The story is broken, make all the excuses you want, nothing fits together. There are too many holes.
I don't have the time or energy to go back and forth on everything you posted, but I figured I'd drag you back in here momentarily just to say that: I completely agree with the quoted part lol.

I still enjoy it overall, but yeah, I have a ton of issues with the story in this game. Clara sleeping with Leon at that moment and in that context wasn't one of them.
 
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Not knocking the Dev but people are talking again about the whole Leon and Clara sex scene and their wondering why. I am just giving my opinion. We all knew the sex scene between Leon and Clara was going to happen. We just thought we would have control of it. This reminds me of the lingerie sext pic in another game that we had no control over. I think Devs are trying to give that oh shit moment. Not realizing there giving us a what the fuck moment. I understand why they want to do it, it does create conversation about the game but can be frustrating. but it's their game. Again, just my opinion.
I think the reason they are arguing is more because Clara cheated on Alan because of a kiss rather than the scene being unavoidable
 
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She is an elite agent, elite agents are trained to deal with high pressure high stress situations. It wouldn't bother her as much as you'd think. So no, her husband is right there by her side, she can talk to him any time.


No she's not, he lives like right next to her. All she has to do is call or text him to come over. She made the choice for him not to visit her so much, but yet she let's Leon run wild visiting her in the middle of the night. Why not the same rule for him, he's part of the team, make no sense.
Her and Alan fucking go out to the theater, the park and out to eat. Why are they hiding they have a relationship from this super elite bad people who know everything anyway?
Not only that she tells the APP she has someone and then takes a picture of Alan to boot. I'm sure the people at the top running the APP only see blurred pictures, makes no sense to hide the relationship.


This I'll give you, he's making himself look good. But Alan isn't far behind and Clara told Alan she would watch out for him and set boundaries and she knew how to handle smooth talkers. Everything that happens while Leon talks to Clara before they have sex goes against this. Her letting him in the apartment in the middle of the night goes against this. Her knowing he's good with words but she knows how to handle smooth talkers, goes against this.


Doesn't matter, you don't go fuck someone because you see your husband/wife that you love with all your heart kiss someone. You don't even know what the context was.


It was the main reason she fucked Leon.
She tells her husband to stay away but lets Leon visit in the middle of the night, makes no sense.
She says their relationship needs to be secret, but hey let me come over to your motel and fuck you hubby. Then later let's go out to the theater, park and get something to eat. Oh let me take a picture of you to let the tops in specter know you're my boyfriend/husband. I mean certainly the people controlling this APP will only see blurred pictures.
She hides everything from her team, they have no team meetings.
She should be having her husband over regularly since he lives that close, not keeping him away. Especially if she misses him and needs emotional support, they know the place is clean. Why would she keep herself from him and make their lives worse than what it is? Makes no sense...
She would not freak out on Alan and fuck someone she dislikes over a kiss for any reason. She's an elite agent (assassin) when she told Leon we can't do this and he pushed her, he would have been out the door.
I'm sorry, but she wouldn't have fucked Leon over a kiss or anything else knowing how her husband felt about him. She's played out as some one who is super loyal to her husband and will do anything to protect him because she loves him that much. She would have seen the kiss and confronted them right there, or she would have called/texted him to come over so she could ask him about it.
No amount of circular writing changes those facts. You can't display her as some super elite agent, super loyal to Alan, Loves him to death and will do anything for him. Then have her fall over with her legs in the air over a kiss, no matter how stressed she is or emotional. If she was that stressed she would have called her husband and been riding his dick from the get go in her bug free apartment.

The story is broken, make all the excuses you want, nothing fits together. There are too many holes.

Holy crap I need to stop responding to this thread, it's driving me nuts people can't see the problems with the story. All they see is pictures... Mmmmm, nice pictures... Oh, look sex pictures... Must defend...

Moving on... Again I wish the Dev the best. I'll not be posting here for a while, maybe I'll check back after a few updates.
Some dude stated all these too, your argument was what i essentially told them as well. Its just bad execution honestly. Cuz dev responding back then said that clara would be a strong willed, independent women. till that drunk alcohol BS. Im all in for NTR but dang that was lame.
 

siath70

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Seeing as you want to keep pulling me back in...

For people saying it wasn't about the Kiss, it was all about the kiss. If the kiss didn't happen the Leon and Clara fuck scene wouldn't have happened. The kiss is used as a spark for her to cheat on Alan with Leon.

I stand by what I have said, it's a broken story that make little to no sense.

The Clara, Alan, and Anna team has been a team for 3 years. Fuck boy Leon has no ties, their team would be tight working together. Clara would have no reason to trust Leon or anything he does. So why would she push her husband away and let Leon who has a checkered past with her husband get close? Makes no sense.

Fact of the matter is her husband is right there and with in arms reach, she tells him to not come around so much. But then lets Leon visit her at all hours of the night. It just doesn't make sense.
They can spend time at the park, the theater, and eating. Even fucking in his motel room, but god forbid it gets out they're husband wife or dating. We'll just upload as picture to show everyone who I'm involved with on an APP controlled by specter and tell them I'm involved someone.

I mean seriously, Leon tells her 'Alan is not here.', Yeah no shit, he's right down the hall... Her response should have been yeah I know he should be, how about you leave and I'll call my husband and talk to him. I'm sure there's an explanation for what I saw.
Then after the sex scene, she wakes up in the morning and looks at her phone at all the missed calls from Alan. Um, yeah she didn't hear the phone go off once.
She wants Alan's trust, yet completely doesn't trust him over a kiss, not even enough to give him a chance to explain.

The story doesn't make her look like a strong willed independent woman, it makes her look like a huge slut that can't get enough dick from Leon when her husband is right there. Unless you choose to let her down all the time.

The Clara and Leon sex scene came way to quick over something so small.

You have no control over it, even if you're playing it from all the views.

Then we have an APP that is introduced to the VN, which is from another VN about a college. So, it's even a bit unoriginal in that respect too. Yet another way to force her to have sex and do things that the player has no control over. I mean can't we get control over if we want to pay to avoid something or not?

She does her thing in the theater, where you can plainly see she has the money to avoid it, yet she just decided to do it... Makes no sense.

She does all this and hides it all from her team when she could easily let her husband know what was going on.
Leon is sus as fuck for always being in the right place at the right time. But Clara, the smart intelligent elite agent, doesn't see this or question how he's always there.

Smart and intelligent, independent are not words I would describe the elite assassin that is trained to operate alone or with a team.

There's nothing wrong with following your plan Dev. But, when the masses tell you there is something wrong, maybe, just maybe, you should listen. It's not even a huge change, it's simple, give people the choice with Clara, more options never hurt things. Allow the Leon and Clara sex scene to not happen if the player wills it, maybe one choice is sex and the other is heavy petting with her stopping it before it get's too far. I'm sure many people would accept that more than the way it is now.

For fuck sakes, she sees him kiss Anna and then fucks Leon because of it. Yet she sees a picture of Alan grabbing Anna's tit and kicks him out if you do nothing and trust her. Or if you listen in through Alexa she lets him rub her but not put it in (not to mention they Leon jumps the gun and accuses Alan, what if it was someone else or mr. X). Clara accepts that with out question, it could only be Alan because Leon said so...
No response from Clara, like I get it Alan is worried about me. Or thank god he's watching out for me. Just, oh he's trying to spy, hurry rub your dick on my pussy! That will teach him! Again makes no sense.

I hate to say it, but her husband is the tech person in the group. Leon is an outsider to the team and someone Alan doesn't trust (Clara doesn't either), he wouldn't be setting shit up in Clara's apartment, her team would. Not only that Clara's apartment would be bugged and have camera's in it that Alan and Anna would monitor. Clara would be tracked by phone or a bug at all times.
I also doubt very seriously she would tell her husband to not come around so much to her bug free apartment. They would be spending time together as they live so close, it was the whole point of him being her secretary, so they were close.

Let the player choose if they do something from the APP or pay it off to skip it.

The story makes no sense the way it is put out when you look at the over all story.

Good luck to you Dev, I hope you complete your project. Consider what people are saying here and maybe look back over your story from the outside. Consider giving readers a bit more control, you don't have to force anything to have a good story, all you have to do is lead them in that direction.
I've seen well written VNs that have choices for avoiding everything in it, but based on past choices some of those are not selectable. For instance if you didn't support Clara up to the Leon sex scene, then the only option you might get is to have sex. If you supported her you get the sex option and a option to avoid it, at least to some degree like I described above (heavy petting maybe, still cheating just a bit lighter). You have no option to tell Leon not to cum in her, just little things like this.

But again you do you and write it the way you want, ignoring everyone telling you there's something wrong with the story.
 

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Some dude stated all these too, your argument was what i essentially told them as well. Its just bad execution honestly. Cuz dev responding back then said that clara would be a strong willed, independent women. till that drunk alcohol BS. Im all in for NTR but dang that was lame.
She even says the next morning she wasn't that drunk and she knew what was happening. So, being drunk is out the window as an excuse.

NTR and cheating can be good if done right. This is not done right, it's a story that feels cobbled together to get to the NTR as fast as possible. It says one thing in the story and does the other.

For example, they're an elite team. Yet they don't set up surveillance for her in her apartment and hallway? On her phones and track her? They let someone they do not know, Leon, set up Alexa in her apartment and have complete control?
Or, don't come over so much to my apartment, but Leon can come over when ever he wants in the middle of the night. You can trust me hubby...
Or, they can't know were married. I'll meet you in the hotel room to fuck your brains out. Oh, hey I have tickets to the theater let go out. Let's meet in the park and let me take your picture for my super secret app controlled by Specter. Let's grab dinner and such together. I mean specter wouldn't know any of this would they...
I can't resist Leon he's just so manly and I need someone, I know you're only a call away hubby, but Leon is already here. Since you kissed Anna I'll let him pound my pussy and come in me, because I'm an elite agent and strong willed...
I know your my hubby, but Leon said we should keep this to ourselves. What we're a team too and elite agents, no I can't possibly let you know what is going on even though you're our resident hacker and might be able to do something about this phone and Mr. X. Let's listen to Leon who means jack shit to our team, even less because of your past with him and I support you fully about that. But later I'm going to fuck Leon cause he's hot, black, has a big dick that will fill me up unlike you, and he cums buckets, so I'll let him do that too.

I'm not racist, but every VN with NTR is all about BBC and the LI and this is no exception.

It's like, how can I fit this story into the renders I have... Ok, I'll cobble this here and this here, doesn't make much sense but fuck it.
 
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There's nothing wrong with following your plan Dev. But, when the masses tell you there is something wrong, maybe, just maybe, you should listen. It's not even a huge change, it's simple, give people the choice with Clara, more options never hurt things. Allow the Leon and Clara sex scene to not happen if the player wills it, maybe one choice is sex and the other is heavy petting with her stopping it before it get's too far. I'm sure many people would accept that more than the way it is now.
I read everything and it's clear that your quote has a lot of logic but it's just that part that I can't agree with.

When you're creating a game the first thing is planning I'm not talking about writing the story but rather the timing events like it is in this case, if you go to the developer note that Clara cheating would be unavoidable I myself was surprised that Sinful put some avoidable scenes and I remember that it was initially controversial.
Clara was supposed to have cheated rather with a scene unavoidable it's just that I didn't expect this scene to be so frustrating in terms of logic
I know a lot of people didn't like how this played out and I understand it demonstrated one of the worst common similarities in the NTR games the power to transform an intelligent woman into a pure brainless wore.

Believe me I would have liked this game to be totally optional but if I chose to play it it's because I knew what to expect and I accepted the unavoidable side
It's impossible for Sinful to go back and make the scenes optional because it wouldn't be in accordance with the story that he wants to tell and I think that everyone must respect and accept the decision that Dev made for Clara, I mean by making a cheating scene unavoidable no matter how ridiculous the scene may be it was Sinful's plan, all is whriting white on black in the description.
This is a pure NTR Game
 
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I read everything and it's clear that your quote has a lot of logic but it's just that part that I can't agree with.

When you're creating a game the first thing is planning I'm not talking about writing the story but rather the timing events like it is in this case, if you go to the developer note that Clara cheating would be unavoidable I myself was surprised that Sinful put some avoidable scenes and I remember that it was initially controversial.
Clara was supposed to have cheated rather with a scene unavoidable it's just that I didn't expect this scene to be so frustrating in terms of logic
I know a lot of people didn't like how this played out and I understand it demonstrated one of the worst common similarities in the NTR games the power to transform an intelligent woman into a pure brainless wore.

Believe me I would have liked this game to be totally optional but if I chose to play it it's because I knew what to expect and I accepted the unavoidable side
It's impossible for Sinful to go back and make the scenes optional because it wouldn't be in accordance with the story that he wants to tell and I think that everyone must respect and accept the decision that Sinful made for Clara, I mean by making a cheating scene unavoidable no matter how ridiculous the scene may be it was Sinful's plan, all is whriting white on black in the description
No, the Dev notes say that choices will make things avoidable, however there will be some that are not.

It's never too late to change something. Don't make it avoidable, make it dulled down some...

Maybe after Leon eats her out she comes to her senses and kicks him out, still cheating. Can even use the renders of him leaving and that dialogue, just put it before her waking up. Of course you'll have to add a few lines of text for it, but that's pretty much it. Just use the render of her laying there after she cums to tell him he needs to leave. Like, 'Leon I need you to leave now.' 'Why?' 'Because I can't do this, I'm sorry but you need to leave. I can't let this go on and make an even bigger mistake.' 'Ok, I understand, I'll leave.'
No extra renders needed and softens the blow a bit.
She wakes up in the morning and sees the texts from Alan then cuts to the next scene.
Changes nothing in the story, she still cheated.
Personally I would accept that more than full blow sex over a kiss and rubbing for a tit grab...
It's the Dev simply adding an option after she cums to kick Leon out and little bit of change to the text.

Such a simple thing would appease so many.

I agree, the Dev has the right to do as they please and write the story they want. I'm just saying, even from this point forward more options, like with the APP, would be nice.

Anyway, I do want to stay out of the convos for a while, I'm a bit tired of beating a dead horse...

Good luck Dev with your story.
 
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