Looks like I hit a sore spot for a expert author like you to write a story here when I didn't even address you. Let me write a short story to highlight few things,I see so insults are the way to go for you, a bit childish...
Except, I've have over 20 years as an author and editor, say what you want about someone you don't know.
If anything, everything I have put out is constructive. To say this is based on real life experiences is a bit of a stretch, I some how doubt this Dev is some super hacker or super assassin.
Yet you fall back to the whole, 'It's a VN, it's ok for the story to be shit as long as the pictures are nice.' argument. What's wrong with the story actually working too?
Really about the, he forgave him? I think you should apply what you're saying here to yourself. As you said, to comprehend this, a bare minimum attention span is necessary. So, take your own advice. Everything that is said by Clara to Alan after he sees Leon. About setting boundaries and how she's dealt with smooth talkers and people like him before. Not to worry she told him, I'm on your side.
The Leon's apology, Alan rejects it, maybe not 100%, but says that it just doesn't wipe away everything that has happened.
Tells Leon, I can't offer forgiveness yet, but he's willing to see how things go. Which means he'll work with him but doesn't forgive him, and if things go good, maybe he can forgive him. Never once did Alan forgive or get on good terms with Leon.
Then after Clara fucks Leon. The one person she's supposed to set boundaries with, and know how to deal with people like him. On her husband she dearly loves, over a kiss, after she cheated on him first and didn't give him a chance to respond too why he was kiss Anna.
Then she's upset for sleeping with Leon because of the complicated past her husband has with him. So much for those boundaries and knowing how to deal with people like him.
It is all about a kiss, she's half drunk because of a kiss, she even let's her self go because she feels bad about the kiss and suddenly Leon kissing her makes her all healed up and feeling better. It's said in the text right there for you to read. Nothing else happened between Alan and Clara, just shit with Clara she was hiding from Alan.
She felt guilt about the theater and how she betrayed him, she sees him 'kissing' Anna. Then instead of busting in the room, which the door was left open for some reason (no red flag there), like any other strong woman would, she just slinks away all pouty. Clara the strong willed assassin, deeply in love with Alan, fucks the guy her husband dislikes/hates instead of calling said husband and talking to him. Yeah makes sense.
If you push Anna away, she should have seen that, that 5 seconds she watch the kiss happen would have been enough to see you push her away. You gain Clara trust if you do, don't see how you should gain trust if she thinks you did it.
All of this after promising Alan all the things she did in regards to Leon, about setting hard boundaries and promising Alan to help him get back at Leon in some way. So, much for hard boundaries, oh Leon you're here in the middle of the night come on in and give me that dick I need. I know my husband is a phone call and short walk away and we could spend some time together, but hey you're here now... Oh I know we can't let everyone know Alan and I are married, but I'm going to go to the park with him, then the movies and out to eat several times. Then on the secret app I'm going to tell the people I'm working against and keeping it a secret I have a husband, I do have one, I'm even going to post a picture of it so everyone can see it.
I mean why keep those secrets, I just want to keep the secrets from Alan about all the fucking and sucking I do because I don't want to hurt him. I love him soooooooooooooooo much!
It makes no sense.
But hey, for her, Kiss = Fuck the dude your husband dislikes. So, if she'd have caught Alan fucking Anna, it would have been her fucking every guy in town. Oh then you have later, Alan grabbing Anna boob = no sex for Leon as long as you don't try to spy on her through Alexa. So in her book, grabbing boob is less than kissing. So maybe I'm wrong, if she caught Alan banging Anna, she'd throw him a party and fuck him for days. Because it all makes sense...
Maybe, you should go back and read the story instead of looking at the pictures only.
The story is all over the place, the characters say one thing and forget it the next scene. I liked the story up to the point she fucks Leon over a kiss, because it made zero sense for her to do so. If Clara loved Alan as much as it was said, and they had a strong relationship as it was shown. She would have opened the door and asked him what was going on, then based on your choice she would have seen you kissing or pushing Anna away.
Even if she didn't and walked off, she would have still talked to you at some point. She sure as shit wouldn't have let Leon fuck her over a kiss, not with all the back story between Alan and Leon and her promises to Alan. Stack their love on top of that and her being an assassin who would know what subduction was. Yep Leon would have been out on his ass. Would she have even let him in her apartment...
So, yeah you're right, Devs listen to this person, don't try to improve your writing. After all it's just a VN what do you need writing for when there's pictures.
You are right though, it is the Dev's story and they can write it however they want.
How uncomfortable was that stretch to deflect? You could have pulled a muscle going that far.What if the Dev isn't a man? Or is non-binary? So, you're judging the Dev based on what sex you think they might be? Wow, nice post judging someone after judging the Dev's sexual orientation...
The body looks like Fuluo for gen 8.1 F... But I'm not sureDoes anyone know what daz model is used for Clara?
You're obsessed with sex and with your mind elsewhere so tell me why someone would cheat on you for a kiss and I don't think they had a bad relationship or argued heavily...You judged a man for a kinky plot twist in a purely fictional story that he wrote. In my opinion,you are not mature.
Keep the focus on the game, not the author.
Let me explain it to you in simple terms...You're obsessed with sex and with your mind elsewhere so tell me why someone would cheat on you for a kiss and I don't think they had a bad relationship or argued heavily...
Not necessarily directed at you (you're just the most recent), but I think people complaining about Clara cheating "because of a kiss" are conveniently ignoring *everything* else that's going on.You're obsessed with sex and with your mind elsewhere so tell me why someone would cheat on you for a kiss and I don't think they had a bad relationship or argued heavily...
She is an elite agent, elite agents are trained to deal with high pressure high stress situations. It wouldn't bother her as much as you'd think. So no, her husband is right there by her side, she can talk to him any time.Not necessarily directed at you (you're just the most recent), but I think people complaining about Clara cheating "because of a kiss" are conveniently ignoring *everything* else that's going on.
1. Her job is high-pressure at the best of times. The stakes involved in their current mission are higher than normal. She's under an enormous amount of professional stress. And that's not even accounting for X's blackmail (let's be honest, that's what it is) forcing her into more and more uncomfortable situations.
No she's not, he lives like right next to her. All she has to do is call or text him to come over. She made the choice for him not to visit her so much, but yet she let's Leon run wild visiting her in the middle of the night. Why not the same rule for him, he's part of the team, make no sense.2. Compounding said stress, she is necessarily forced to be apart from the one person who keeps her sane (Alan). Sure, they see each other every now and again, but they can't outwardly be husband-and-wife.
This I'll give you, he's making himself look good. But Alan isn't far behind and Clara told Alan she would watch out for him and set boundaries and she knew how to handle smooth talkers. Everything that happens while Leon talks to Clara before they have sex goes against this. Her letting him in the apartment in the middle of the night goes against this. Her knowing he's good with words but she knows how to handle smooth talkers, goes against this.3. Leon, regardless of his past history with her husband, has -- publicly and privately -- consistently positioned himself as a caring, trustworthy confidant. Whether he's actually sincere about that is up for debate, but that is how Clara has come to see him, even before anything happened between the two of them.
Doesn't matter, you don't go fuck someone because you see your husband/wife that you love with all your heart kiss someone. You don't even know what the context was.4. Alan, traditionally a rock of support, has been contentious and annoying (depending on your choices) so far during the mission, so some negative feelings already exist that have her questioning his abilities and/or integrity. Then she sees him kissing (however briefly) "the one he told you not to worry about".
It was the main reason she fucked Leon.If you take a step back, what you have is an over-worked, over-stressed (and, I'd argue, over-sexed albeit for work-related reasons) woman who witnesses her husband in a moment of betrayal, shattering whatever remained of her trust. In response, she got a little tipsy, and then when presented with the one person who actually seems to care about her, gave in to a moment of temptation.
Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but I think that kind of cheating scenario happens a LOT more in the real world than some mysterious dude forcing me to get fingered by a stranger in a movie theater.
The kiss was a tipping point, but it was hardly the only (or even the *main*) reason she fucked Leon.
I don't have the time or energy to go back and forth on everything you posted, but I figured I'd drag you back in here momentarily just to say that: I completely agree with the quoted part lol.The story is broken, make all the excuses you want, nothing fits together. There are too many holes.
I think the reason they are arguing is more because Clara cheated on Alan because of a kiss rather than the scene being unavoidableNot knocking the Dev but people are talking again about the whole Leon and Clara sex scene and their wondering why. I am just giving my opinion. We all knew the sex scene between Leon and Clara was going to happen. We just thought we would have control of it. This reminds me of the lingerie sext pic in another game that we had no control over. I think Devs are trying to give that oh shit moment. Not realizing there giving us a what the fuck moment. I understand why they want to do it, it does create conversation about the game but can be frustrating. but it's their game. Again, just my opinion.
That is true but the Non control for some is a issue too. Especially since boob grab you got control that there was no sex which made no sense. But i do agree with you on that kiss scene.I think the reason they are arguing is more because Clara cheated on Alan because of a kiss than the scene being unavoidable
Some dude stated all these too, your argument was what i essentially told them as well. Its just bad execution honestly. Cuz dev responding back then said that clara would be a strong willed, independent women. till that drunk alcohol BS. Im all in for NTR but dang that was lame.She is an elite agent, elite agents are trained to deal with high pressure high stress situations. It wouldn't bother her as much as you'd think. So no, her husband is right there by her side, she can talk to him any time.
No she's not, he lives like right next to her. All she has to do is call or text him to come over. She made the choice for him not to visit her so much, but yet she let's Leon run wild visiting her in the middle of the night. Why not the same rule for him, he's part of the team, make no sense.
Her and Alan fucking go out to the theater, the park and out to eat. Why are they hiding they have a relationship from this super elite bad people who know everything anyway?
Not only that she tells the APP she has someone and then takes a picture of Alan to boot. I'm sure the people at the top running the APP only see blurred pictures, makes no sense to hide the relationship.
This I'll give you, he's making himself look good. But Alan isn't far behind and Clara told Alan she would watch out for him and set boundaries and she knew how to handle smooth talkers. Everything that happens while Leon talks to Clara before they have sex goes against this. Her letting him in the apartment in the middle of the night goes against this. Her knowing he's good with words but she knows how to handle smooth talkers, goes against this.
Doesn't matter, you don't go fuck someone because you see your husband/wife that you love with all your heart kiss someone. You don't even know what the context was.
It was the main reason she fucked Leon.
She tells her husband to stay away but lets Leon visit in the middle of the night, makes no sense.
She says their relationship needs to be secret, but hey let me come over to your motel and fuck you hubby. Then later let's go out to the theater, park and get something to eat. Oh let me take a picture of you to let the tops in specter know you're my boyfriend/husband. I mean certainly the people controlling this APP will only see blurred pictures.
She hides everything from her team, they have no team meetings.
She should be having her husband over regularly since he lives that close, not keeping him away. Especially if she misses him and needs emotional support, they know the place is clean. Why would she keep herself from him and make their lives worse than what it is? Makes no sense...
She would not freak out on Alan and fuck someone she dislikes over a kiss for any reason. She's an elite agent (assassin) when she told Leon we can't do this and he pushed her, he would have been out the door.
I'm sorry, but she wouldn't have fucked Leon over a kiss or anything else knowing how her husband felt about him. She's played out as some one who is super loyal to her husband and will do anything to protect him because she loves him that much. She would have seen the kiss and confronted them right there, or she would have called/texted him to come over so she could ask him about it.
No amount of circular writing changes those facts. You can't display her as some super elite agent, super loyal to Alan, Loves him to death and will do anything for him. Then have her fall over with her legs in the air over a kiss, no matter how stressed she is or emotional. If she was that stressed she would have called her husband and been riding his dick from the get go in her bug free apartment.
The story is broken, make all the excuses you want, nothing fits together. There are too many holes.
Holy crap I need to stop responding to this thread, it's driving me nuts people can't see the problems with the story. All they see is pictures... Mmmmm, nice pictures... Oh, look sex pictures... Must defend...
Moving on... Again I wish the Dev the best. I'll not be posting here for a while, maybe I'll check back after a few updates.
She even says the next morning she wasn't that drunk and she knew what was happening. So, being drunk is out the window as an excuse.Some dude stated all these too, your argument was what i essentially told them as well. Its just bad execution honestly. Cuz dev responding back then said that clara would be a strong willed, independent women. till that drunk alcohol BS. Im all in for NTR but dang that was lame.
I read everything and it's clear that your quote has a lot of logic but it's just that part that I can't agree with.There's nothing wrong with following your plan Dev. But, when the masses tell you there is something wrong, maybe, just maybe, you should listen. It's not even a huge change, it's simple, give people the choice with Clara, more options never hurt things. Allow the Leon and Clara sex scene to not happen if the player wills it, maybe one choice is sex and the other is heavy petting with her stopping it before it get's too far. I'm sure many people would accept that more than the way it is now.
No, the Dev notes say that choices will make things avoidable, however there will be some that are not.I read everything and it's clear that your quote has a lot of logic but it's just that part that I can't agree with.
When you're creating a game the first thing is planning I'm not talking about writing the story but rather the timing events like it is in this case, if you go to the developer note that Clara cheating would be unavoidable I myself was surprised that Sinful put some avoidable scenes and I remember that it was initially controversial.
Clara was supposed to have cheated rather with a scene unavoidable it's just that I didn't expect this scene to be so frustrating in terms of logic
I know a lot of people didn't like how this played out and I understand it demonstrated one of the worst common similarities in the NTR games the power to transform an intelligent woman into a pure brainless wore.
Believe me I would have liked this game to be totally optional but if I chose to play it it's because I knew what to expect and I accepted the unavoidable side
It's impossible for Sinful to go back and make the scenes optional because it wouldn't be in accordance with the story that he wants to tell and I think that everyone must respect and accept the decision that Sinful made for Clara, I mean by making a cheating scene unavoidable no matter how ridiculous the scene may be it was Sinful's plan, all is whriting white on black in the description