VN Ren'Py Onhold Corrupted Hearts [v0.7 Part B] [Sinful Studios]

[MoBy28]

Clara did say she had drank too much wine and that she was drunk though. Well, she specifically said that she was not sober, the equivalent of being drunk. Maybe you're thinking of the next morning, when Leon was being a "nice guy" and "took responsibility" for bedding her, to which she replied that she also bore some responsibility regardless of intoxication.

There are varying degrees of being drunk. Unless you are the person or are around the person you can't really say how drunk they are other than by what they state. Big difference between being slightly buzzed and shitfaced drunk. Both make you not sober but neither excuses your actions.

Leon can try to take the blame all he wants but the truth is it was HER choice especially since she had been turning him down. So many people here keep trying to justify or find excuses for her choice when there is no real reason other than she chose to cheat.

 

[MoBy28]

Not true at all. I’ve had to back track several times for Clara to get naughty. The choices do matter and, regardless, the husband is not a cuck unless he knowingly encourages her and gains sexual gratification viewing it in real time. Otherwise, it is Netorare which is not cuck. The husband has no idea what Clara is doing.

Actually that's the cuck fetish the actual definition of a cuckold is accurate in this case. If a man is cuckolded, his partner has a sexual relationship with someone else. Compare. betray.

 

[psychedevil]

Clara: "Please don't apologize. Even if I was drunk...I knew what I was doing and yet I...I crossed the line as well."

I'm going to disagree with the significance/meaning that some are attributing to this statement. Based on what she previously said (drank too much wine and was not sober), Clara was clearly under the influence of alcohol. This is further evidenced by her confusion upon waking up in the morning, with her memory having been temporarily disrupted by alcohol.

In my view, Clara was being generous to Leon in saying what she said above because she was surprised that he immediately "took responsibility" for what happened and didn't want him to feel bad about it (when what she did not know is that he is a schemer who was not really feeling bad about it at all). Again, Clara voiced resistance three times when Leon was making sexual advances toward her, saying it was wrong or that he should stop.

Of course, Clara eventually did give in to Leon during her time of emotional vulnerability paired with alcohol intoxication (known for impairing judgment and reducing inhibitions), but HE should have been more of the one to stop things from happening given that she was drunk and he was not. Leon knew this and consciously targeted her during her time of weakness, despite him making it out to be that he did it because he could not stand to see her in pain and because she deserved to feel wanted/loved (which are words he knew would inspire feelings of sympathy and fondness toward him, especially given her childhood history of being made to feel unwanted and unworthy of love). Having said that, I will admit that I am a psychologist and thus tend to think a lot about how experiences and situations contribute to the manifestation of certain thoughts and behaviors.

 

[psychedevil]

There are varying degrees of being drunk. Unless you are the person or are around the person you can't really say how drunk they are other than by what they state. Big difference between being slightly buzzed and shitfaced drunk. Both make you not sober but neither excuses your actions.

Leon can try to take the blame all he wants but the truth is it was HER choice especially since she had been turning him down. So many people here keep trying to justify or find excuses for her choice when there is no real reason other than she chose to cheat.

Clara obviously must take some responsibility for cheating, which she openly acknowledges and even tries to downplay Leon's part in it. However, it would be naive (in my opinion) to underestimate the adverse influence of heavy drinking on decision making (even when not "shitfaced drunk") combined with being emotionally vulnerable regardless of intoxication. There is no doubt that this can lead to decisions that are more hasty and impulsive, with a greater mental focus than usual on immediate satisfaction or relief from pain compared to keeping longterm consequences in mind. Case in point: Upon waking up in the morning, Clara's thoughts had shifted to thinking more about the consequences of her actions, consistent with going from being drunk the previous night to having sobered up the next morning.

So I don't altogether excuse Clara's cheating with Leon, and neither does she. What is bullshit to me is Leon acting all noble about it, as if his focus was on Clara's well-being, when in fact he intentionally targeted her when he knew she was vulnerable. Leon "taking responsibility" for it is little more than a veiled sympathy plea to me, part of his overall scheme and manipulation, and contrary to him saying at one point that he did not know what came over him, he was well-aware of why he acted the way he did at the most opportune time, as he had planned.

 

[xert13]

Actually that's the cuck fetish the actual definition of a cuckold is accurate in this case. If a man is cuckolded, his partner has a sexual relationship with someone else. Compare. betray.

Yeah, I get the actual webster's definition, but that is not usually how it is applied. On these forums, most seem to think it is where the husband or BF enjoys watching his LI being stuffed by another. So, cuck has taken on a meaning apart from the classic webster definition.

 

[psychedevil]

To be clear, my consideration of mitigating circumstances in relation to Clara deciding to cheat is not an expression of siding with Clara over her husband Alan. Of all the characters in the game, I feel the most sympathy toward Alan along the faithful path. From my perspective, he has been repeatedly wronged when he is doing his best to be a loving and supportive husband and thus deserves the treatment he is receiving the least.

He certainly does not deserve to be made to feel lacking or inadequate, as there is no such thing as a perfect partner, and Clara undoubtedly knew about his imperfections but still loved him deeply enough to marry him (a lifelong commitment in spirit). However, the cruelest words that have come out of Clara's mouth toward her husband were motivated by survival/preserving the mission, which is a motivation she thus far has been unable to reveal to him. Still, it is these words that made her husband question her love toward him the most, and rightfully so, because a person does not seek to genuinely humiliate their partner if they truly love them. It would be better to not be together if one partner is going to repeatedly and maliciously damage the other partner's self-worth by focusing on their qualities that might be perceived as less than ideal rather than appreciating their partner (or at least accepting them) for all that they are.

 

[PML 021259]

Accepting Clara's drunkenness as a mitigating reason for her betrayal is the same as justifying a drunk driver who caused an accident. Guys, he's drunk, that mitigates his guilt!
Also try to convince any healthy woman that a soft penis is better than a hard one.

 

[UpravDom]

Accepting Clara's drunkenness as a mitigating reason for her betrayal is the same as justifying a drunk driver who caused an accident. Guys, he's drunk, that mitigates his guilt!
Also try to convince any healthy woman that a soft penis is better than a hard one.

I disagree with this comparison! A sober driver can make a mistake, but a drunk driver is just a criminal, a murderer! A car is a vehicle that, when moving, poses a mortal danger to other road users! It's a steel box on wheels! And what is the danger of Clara? Can a live, warm cunt kill a man? In ancient Egypt, there was a queen Cleopatra who offered young men a night of love... The price was high - the executioner cut off the guy's head in the morning! Surprisingly, there were many who wanted to die this way... Compared to Cleopatra, Clara is just an angel in the flesh!

 

[UpravDom]

Accepting Clara's drunkenness as a mitigating reason for her betrayal is the same as justifying a drunk driver who caused an accident. Guys, he's drunk, that mitigates his guilt!
Also try to convince any healthy woman that a soft penis is better than a hard one.

Show a healthy woman a fat wallet and a checkbook and you can scoop her pussy and ass even with a spoon...

 

[PML 021259]

By the time Clara saw Alan with Anna, she was already mentally prepared to cheat on her husband (1 guy - hotel, key; 2 guy - movie theater). Well, and 3 - Leon.
The first time - no whore, the second time - doesn't count. The third time - the color is removed.

A Chukchi man is sitting on the shore, they shout to him - Chukchi, your deer jumped off a cliff!
Chukchi is an accident, however.
They shout at him again - Chukchi, your second one jumped off a cliff!
Chukchi is a coincidence, however.
They also shout to him - Chukchi, your third deer jumped off!
Chukchi is a tendency, however!!!

 

[UpravDom]

By the time Clara saw Alan with Anna, she was already mentally prepared to cheat on her husband (1 guy - hotel, key; 2 guy - movie theater). Well, and 3 - Leon.
The first time - no whore, the second time - doesn't count. The third time - the color is removed.

A Chukchi man is sitting on the shore, they shout to him - Chukchi, your deer jumped off a cliff!
Chukchi is an accident, however.
They shout at him again - Chukchi, your second one jumped off a cliff!
Chukchi is a coincidence, however.
They also shout to him - Chukchi, your third deer jumped off!
Chukchi is a tendency, however!!!

And yet I believe that Clara is the victim of a very cruel blackmail! In order to save a loved one, Clara painfully agreed to humiliation! In another case, Clara is killed by a hitman and the game ends... Only Clara was killed! There is no information about Leon. Please pay attention to a strange circumstance: the killer sends Clara the best wishes from Mr. X! But at this point in time, we really don't know anything about Mr. X! It turns out that Mr. X wants to destroy Clara anyway, but chooses the option when Clara and Alan will suffer a lot and at the same time help ruin Mr. Brown! This is a carefully planned and sophisticated revenge and it is very difficult to resist...And you say a hotel, a cinema, wine, sex for health! Clara is just walking down the street! Klara is not like that, she's just waiting for the tram...

 

[Guszti242]

It depends on how you poor PML021259 play. Yes, once Clara cheats on Alan, it's inevitable. But part of the cinema part can be avoided if you trust Clara. But unfortunately the rest cannot be avoided because this is the Task. The punishment cannot be avoided, that's why Alan gets the humiliation and that's why they fight, but even then Alan is not another guy, in the end it becomes clear to Alan why Clara five humiliated him. My problem with this game is that DEV could give a little more time spent together for Clara and Alan, besides Grace already helping them. And it's also certain that Grace wrote a message to Clara.

 

[Eleanorduval]

It depends on how you poor PML021259 play. Yes, once Clara cheats on Alan, it's inevitable. But part of the cinema part can be avoided if you trust Clara. But unfortunately the rest cannot be avoided because this is the Task. The punishment cannot be avoided, that's why Alan gets the humiliation and that's why they fight, but even then Alan is not another guy, in the end it becomes clear to Alan why Clara five humiliated him. My problem with this game is that DEV could give a little more time spent together for Clara and Alan, besides Grace already helping them. And it's also certain that Grace wrote a message to Clara.

drop the subject,play like u want and he play like he want lol personaly my way of playing will not change

 

[PML 021259]

It depends on how you poor PML021259 play. Yes, once Clara cheats on Alan, it's inevitable. But part of the cinema part can be avoided if you trust Clara.

The fact that Alan trusts Clara and does not see her actions does not make Alan's horns any smaller. Personally, I play in three ways: 1 - complete trust; 2 - complete distrust; 3 - the middle to the half.

 

[Eleanorduval]

The fact that Alan trusts Clara and does not see her actions does not make Alan's horns any smaller. Personally, I play in three ways: 1 - complete trust; 2 - complete distrust; 3 - the middle to the half.

in others words,u played both paths?

 

[PML 021259]

in others words,u played both paths?

On the path of complete distrust, Alan receives physical betrayal from Clara.
On the way to full trust, Alan receives moral castration and emotional humiliation from Clara.
As for me, moral castration is even worse than physical betrayal. But that's my personal opinion.

 

[Eleanorduval]

On the path of complete distrust, Alan receives physical betrayal from Clara.
On the way to full trust, Alan receives moral castration and emotional humiliation from Clara.
As for me, moral castration is even worse than physical betrayal. But that's my personal opinion.
As it is, I'm making fun of this game...

as i said before the game still progress,so it is early to make conclusion

 

[UpravDom]

On the path of complete distrust, Alan receives physical betrayal from Clara.
On the way to full trust, Alan receives moral castration and emotional humiliation from Clara.
As for me, moral castration is even worse than physical betrayal. But that's my personal opinion.

Well, if you don't mind physical infidelity, then Alan should show his masculine character so that Clara hears it! Alan accompanies Clara on a mission and says: Clara, please be careful and don't fuck with other guys! Klara takes two steps and says: I can't hear you very well, dear, please repeat... Alan nervously asks: Clara, I beg you not to fuck with other guys! Clara takes 3 more steps and asks Alan to speak up! Alan got angry and muttered to himself, "You've got me!" Clara, you can fuck until you get tired! Clara finally nodded her head to show that she understood everything! To be continued...

 

[Guszti242]

As for me, moral castration is even worse than physical betrayal. But that's my personal opinion.

I don't really agree with that. Yes, at the moment when he verbally hurt Alan, he was punished, not by you, Clara said that she could not hurt Alan. And Mr. X whispered all this in his ear to humiliate Alan and degrade him.

 

[psychedevil]

Accepting Clara's drunkenness as a mitigating reason for her betrayal is the same as justifying a drunk driver who caused an accident. Guys, he's drunk, that mitigates his guilt!
Also try to convince any healthy woman that a soft penis is better than a hard one.

Being a drunk driver is illegal and places the lives of others at risk. So no, it's not the same. Also, "mitigate" means to lessen an offense, not completely excuse it. I'm thinking that there's some difficulty with reading comprehension happening here because I made multiple posts in which I clearly stated that it does not entirely excuse Clara cheating, nor does the character herself even believe that based on her own words. Plus, drunkenness was not the only mitigating circumstance. She also was emotionally vulnerable due to witnessing an event that she was manipulated into seeing out of context, and then she further was targeted and manipulated by the insistent schemer Leon.

As for your penis comment, I'm not sure what your point is. If you're referring to Alan, he has not shown an inability to have an erection. He undoubtedly was experiencing some anxiety when Clara dropped to her knees, strangely dressed, and said she wanted to play a game in which she expected him to cum within one minute's time. Besides that, I find that viewers of AVNs and their developers tend to be big dick obsessed, which is unfortunately not surprising given that most viewers and developers are men. As has been previously stated in this thread though, it does not require much length to stimulate a woman's clitoris or so-called G-spot, and in the case of women pleasuring other women (who reportedly can more consistently provide other women with orgasms compared to men), it does not require having a dick at all.