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FoxOfEmbers

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why people are still using them is beyond my comprehension...anyone using patreon deserve perm banning. subscribe.star takes less meaning devs get more, no censorship, they do have slight censorship, but you'd have to really put some nasty stuff up there, I saw a list a long while ago and it was a very small.
The problem is PayPal. They are restrictive, but they are also an opportunity to make online payments without a credit card.
Depending on where you live, Credit Cards are not really that common.
 
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hoshimota

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I mean let's not just start making shit up lol, credit cards are not uncommon in my experience and I've been all over the world. Maybe uncommon among people with financial hardship. But in US, Canada, South America, Europe, advanced Asian countries... people widely have credit cards.

I wonder if a lot of these people wanting to pay for sketchy adult shit and claiming they "don't have a credit card" are either A.) minors (which is a whoooollllleeee big can of worms and I don't think game devs want that kind of liability if they ever get caught serving porn content to minors) or B.) adults who are paranoid their spouse will see a weird charge on the credit card statement.

I wonder if PayPal is refusing to allow charges for people to pay for streaming Game of Thrones, considering there are children in that show and there are also graphic sex scenes with adults, and tons of incest... oh wait of course not. Patreon is insane.
 

Boardguy

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Always my issue with the big credit cards and Paypal. Having faith in God isn't the issue, If they were at least fucking consistent on their rules it would be fine. Someone might be able to create a system in place for these games as a niche. The shitty fucking thing is they allow live-action stuff like Game of Thrones or The Boys but someone how 2d and 3d models that barely resemble human beings is the fucking issue. Oh and that any competition would likely be smothered in the crib.
 

FoxOfEmbers

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At least here in Germany credit cards are not really common. Also, Many business (mostly supermarkets and kiosks) would flat out reject them if you try to buy something with them.

Not sure how it is where you are from, but here banks tend to check your credit score (and income) before they hand you a credit card - or at least they use to a couple of years ago, haven't checked with my bank in a while.

So yeah, not everyone has a credit card.

And PayPal does not care what content you use it for. They have investors that are against it (probably for PR reasons) and are worth more money to them than the rather niche porn game market with certain themes.
Or their legal time whined to much because such stuff is a legal nightmare in certain countries they want to operate in.
 
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hoshimota

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At least here in Germany credit cards are not really common. Also, Many business (mostly supermarkets and kiosks) would flat out reject them if you try to buy something with them.

Not sure how it is where you are from, but here banks tend to check your credit score (and income) before they hand you a credit card - or at least they use to a couple of years ago, haven't checked with my bank in a while.

So yeah, not everyone has a credit card.

And PayPal does not care what content you use it for. They have investors that are against it (probably for PR reasons) and are worth more money to them than the rather niche porn game market with certain themes.
Or their legal time whined to much because such stuff is a legal nightmare in certain countries they want to operate in.
Of course, they check your credit history and income everywhere they issue credit cards to my knowledge. However, unless you have major financial issues, it is usually possible to get one... it just won't have amazing terms or a high limit.

Also to be clear, for purposes of this discussion topic, a debit card is effectively just as useful... you can pay Patreon with a debit card... surely you're not going to try to say that most people can't get a debit card...
 

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At least here in Germany credit cards are not really common. Also, Many business (mostly supermarkets and kiosks) would flat out reject them if you try to buy something with them.

Not sure how it is where you are from, but here banks tend to check your credit score (and income) before they hand you a credit card - or at least they use to a couple of years ago, haven't checked with my bank in a while.
Sure, and how common are DEBIT cards...? Which, you know, only allow you to spend the money you already have in your bank account, which is why banks don't give any shits whatsoever about your income or credit score to give you one - in fact they typically insist to give you one whether you want it or not, just to encourage you to keep your money moving.

Only asking because "credit card" is a horribly misused term - for a LOT of people it actually means what they really have is just a plain debit card, because as long as you still have money in your bank account there's exactly zero difference between them in practical use; so much so the term "debit card" is almost never used explicitly when payment details are specified in any online store.
 
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FoxOfEmbers

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Of course, they check your credit history and income everywhere they issue credit cards to my knowledge. However, unless you have major financial issues, it is usually possible to get one... it just won't have amazing terms or a high limit.

Also to be clear, for purposes of this discussion topic, a debit card is effectively just as useful... you can pay Patreon with a debit card... surely you're not going to try to say that most people can't get a debit card...
The problem is that the debit cards are not accepted on most platforms that want Credit Cards. Thus the importance of PayPal, because that lets you use your bank account.
Though the end of Maestro and (probably) V-Pay may cause a change there.
But yeah, after some british pals of mine told me that SubStar accepts Debit as well I tried and failed. But that could be an issue with the old-school german debit cards (who use Maestro/V-Pay).


You're almost cute in your ignorance, but blatantly false out here in the real world. .
The point was more that PayPal cares about profit and less about "morals". There are people who are against it and they bring in more money than the stuff they want banned, thus PayPal bans it. Less because PayPal has any morals that object to it.
The second point I brought after the quoted part was that there could actually be legal reasons, since they operate globally. Lowest common (legal) denominator and so.

PayPal cares about profit, not morals. If playing moral brings you profit they will do so. When there is no benefit in "morality", they will re-allow such things.
 
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cardinal11

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You guys are getting too wrapped up in the credit card part. Visa, Mastercard and Discover aren't just credit card companies, they form the backbone of the payment processing network that extends internationally. A debit card does not sidestep this, because regardless what bank you have, it usually goes through their network (in the US). PayPal is not immune to this. You can't do business in the US if they ban you.

To make matters worse, when they ban a company (like when Pornhub had to delete some 90% of its videos to appease them), they tell every single financial institution they work with to blacklist said company. So you can't run credit cards, you can't run debit cards, your bank tells you your account is going to be closed down, and your customers' banks refuse to transfer money to your accounts. This allows them to have a de facto regulatory oversight on corporations, because if they go after you, you literally cannot handle money unless it's cash.

Patreon couldn't give a shit what people get off to. Patreon would also eat their own cock if it kept Visa and Mastercard from turning off the lights. Now, this isn't just Visa/Mastercard being dicks (though they absolutely are) it's because US legislation stated that it is illegal for financial institutions to do business with companies engaging in illicit behavior. What this means is ill-defined, especially in the case of platforms hosting other people's content, but rather than approach that (sex is politically unpopular unless it's harsher restrictions), they clamp down on anything that could constitute a risk to their business. For example, American Express bans all pornographic content from their entire payment network. Prudish fucks.

Basically, shitty legislation has resulted in shitty regulation that has resulted in payment processors acting as government enforcers that aren't actually beholden to or directed by government guidelines beyond outright illegality. If they ban a company, it's a private business action to reduce their own risk, and if said company tries to sue, how are they gonna pay their lawyers lol? OnlyFans had to ban explicit content until Visa/MasterCard gave them the all clear, because the other option was to literally just shutter the company.

That's my rant on how credit card companies are ruining the internet, happy wanking.
 
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Weird question but are the children set? Like, in terms of gender and design? Is it by chance for them to be born either male or female, or is it like always male/female?
 

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Just started act 2, pixie said there was a way to view character cards by clicking heart at the top, maybe being blind but can't see any heart, so how do i view the cards?
 

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Weird question but are the children set? Like, in terms of gender and design? Is it by chance for them to be born either male or female, or is it like always male/female?
I suspect it's set, as if each child could be either male or female it would need a lot more art. From memory, I think all but one of the children are female, the exception being Veronica's son. (Is Veronica the right name? I know it begins with V but I've had a memory lapse.)
 

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Just started act 2, pixie said there was a way to view character cards by clicking heart at the top, maybe being blind but can't see any heart, so how do i view the cards?
If you are playing on pc: (but i suppose its the same on tablet and android)
If you dont have a black threeangel with 3 golden lines to the top left of your screen then i suppose you have 3 small golden lines on the black belt on the top of the screen. If you click on the 3 golden lines a quick menu with 6 icons will appear, now try klick on them 1 by 1 and see what they can be used for, the heart will be numser 2 from right. On the quickmenu you will also have the day count and day and timeperiod of the day.
Injoy the game, and i can garantee that you will get into trouble if you dont behave nicely to little wings aka pixie , the best caracter of the game :sneaky: :love: :p
 
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I suspect it's set, as if each child could be either male or female it would need a lot more art. From memory, I think all but one of the children are female, the exception being Veronica's son. (Is Veronica the right name? I know it begins with V but I've had a memory lapse.)
Oh cool, because I just gave all of them feminine names so now I have a son with a girly name :HideThePain:
 
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The real reason hasn't been clarified yet.
But yes, Patreon sux.



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That'd be.....0.19.8....




Sounds heightphobic to me, they don't look THAT young. Plus Lyx is also kinda busty. Also don't forget about the twin tiny minotaurs.

Not saying that you are heightphobic, just saying that that sounds dumb to me.



It's a fucking H-game, tf did they expect in such context??? ofc the dev would do something like this. That sounds stupid to me considering that it's an H-game. (Censorship in such games in general sounds stupid to me.)



They looked cute af, nothing looks sexual to me. Kinda creepy. yet non-sexual. In Alice's side.



They don't look minor-ish to me.



But.....Mother and daughter.....in H-games.....is art.....



I can (kinda) understand the minors = banned part.

But why tf brainwashing is banned?, it's not like we're hijacking people's minds IRL and make them do stupid shit such as taking a shower while planning to invade The White House with a group of Monkeys armed with dildos and doorknobs!.

Mindsets with logic like this would believe FPS players to be potential serial killers lmao.



....okay....I never support such scenes with MY kids nearby....still....this is an H-game.....some people would be into that....




Nah, the dev announced that they most likely won't need to do that anymore due to the comeback of support on the dev's SubscribeStar page.
Like it was from 5-10 yrs ago it's somewhat acceptable but nowadays even john cena created OF account and patreon behaves like it's straight out baptized in February
 

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People are discussing arc three and my question as someone returning to this game since ages ago is: how the hell do I even start it? All my stats are maxed and so are the girls hearts. Right now it just says "no more in this version of the game" except for goblin mage, which says I need to go into act three.

Edit: after randomly clicking all over the place it was apparently "visit the lab" and then talk to gramps about making bombs.
 
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Moko001

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The dice rolls kinda... suck. At least, for me because I've been losing hard. Is there a way to increase the dice values?
Go to the war room and tell the game to auto win the combat however you wish. The combat sucks. If you really want to play legit only ways I know to increase dice are food in the kitchen, reinforcements when you head out to fight, and certain areas you conquer will give you a boosted dice, of course good luck winning that area. Unfortunately since act 3 is about the combat the enjoyment died since there is no longer choice and story and just auto win then generic dialog of characters we know nothing about.

Speaking of why are all these areas not controlled by the fey, eldrich, or organization and instead some random homeless people?
 
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