Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 58] [CSDev]

[Qazex Saw]

So uh, are tier 3 breaks supposed to be so... automatic?
Was breaking the leftover tier 2 breaks before heading on to tier 3 and ended up getting a chosen's minor into a pre-break state.
Since I wanted everyone to be enemies, just decided to go to a core tier 3 of the other chosen and... the one with the per-break 3 minor just... hits 10k pleasure damage and self-breaks without me doing anything. Like, what the heck is going on and how do I stop it. Trying a bunch of things out but so far nothing works.
Edit:
Ok never mind figured it out.
Apparently the trick isn't to try and speedrun the other chosen it's just to surround/capture the one you want to avoid tier 3 breaking and avoiding the action that gives the relevant damage so they don't get damaged and they're not free to apply it themselves.
Then run the fuck away once you can't keep em surrounded.
Now to figure out how to juggle this as the pre-breaks stack up while trying to enemy everyone.

 

[Konnect]

Hello, having an issue getting Kalloi, Resplendent Tones (I also downloaded the updated version within this thread) to work. I'm able to import it at the beginning but I cannot load the chosen within the game. I would appreciate any help.

Thank you

 

[Chekhovs_Ghost]

So uh, are tier 3 breaks supposed to be so... automatic?
Was breaking the leftover tier 2 breaks before heading on to tier 3 and ended up getting a chosen's minor into a pre-break state.
Since I wanted everyone to be enemies, just decided to go to a core tier 3 of the other chosen and... the one with the per-break 3 minor just... hits 10k pleasure damage and self-breaks without me doing anything. Like, what the heck is going on and how do I stop it. Trying a bunch of things out but so far nothing works.
Edit:
Ok never mind figured it out.
Apparently the trick isn't to try and speedrun the other chosen it's just to surround/capture the one you want to avoid tier 3 breaking and avoiding the action that gives the relevant damage so they don't get damaged and they're not free to apply it themselves.
Then run the fuck away once you can't keep em surrounded.
Now to figure out how to juggle this as the pre-breaks stack up while trying to enemy everyone.

This is one way to do it. But if you max out their trauma (more or less) then they will have each of their tier 3 breaks ready to go and I find it hard to control which tier 3 breaks first in that case. This is why I prefer to control which tier 3 breaks are available (typically their cores first). I don't max out trauma with orgies and such until they each have their tier 3 cores broken.

 

[dekeche]

This would have been a bug in earlier versions, but it falls within intended behavior now. What's happening is that the game can only cause a T1 break to happen when you start a new surround action. This means that it has to guess whether you'll hit 10k damage at the moment you use the action, and even if it later turns out that you do more damage than expected (because of raising an ally's EXPO level, for example), the game can't retroactively give her a T1 break, because that would be unfair to players who wanted to avoid that T1 break. It's unavoidable for this to happen sometimes - the game can't know how high you can theoretically get an ally's EXPO level in advance. But it's also possible to get T3 breaks before T2 breaks, so it's not inconsistent with the other mechanics.

Mind clarifying this a bit; can you not trigger a T1 break without taking a surround action? So, say, you have a chosen you are trying to distort, it's safe to take every action as long as they are low enough to not be over 10k in the category you can't break? - doesn't mater if they will go over during the surround, just as long as they don't go over the turn you select a new action?

 

[Kalloi]

Hello, having an issue getting Kalloi, Resplendent Tones (I also downloaded the updated version within this thread) to work. I'm able to import it at the beginning but I cannot load the chosen within the game. I would appreciate any help.

Thank you

I've tested it with this recent build and everything seems to be working, you aren't the only person to say this recently so I wonder what's going on?

I'll add it here just in case, let me know if there's still problems!

 

[Qazex Saw]

Apparently, other tier 3 breaks are (somewhat) more controllable, yay! On the not so yay side-

Probably shouldn't have skipped so much text in between turns because I now have no idea why a the chosen are getting 1/10, 1/100 etc reductions to trauma.
Trying to get a chosen to tier 3 dignity break and she keeps getting 1/1000 reduction in shame which makes it really hard to raise this while avoiding getting her minors to a tier-3.

 

[Chekhovs_Ghost]

Probably shouldn't have skipped so much text in between turns because I now have no idea why a the chosen are getting 1/10, 1/100 etc reductions to trauma.

Yeah. When they take tier 3 corrupted actions, they become more corrupted towards tier 4. But on the other hand, they also do powerful actions.

First they go up a tier in the relevant circumstance (eg from 25 to 100 or from 553 to 1000). Then they use the new tier level as X.

Slaughter: reduce the other surrounds by X turns
Hypnotize: reduce 1 of their own trauma by 1/X*10
Detonate: reduce their own surround by X turns
Striptease: reduce other surrounds damage by (some formula)

You need to trigger these to be able to get to tier 4, but they also make life more difficult for you.

 

[Qazex Saw]

Yeah. When they take tier 3 corrupted actions, they become more corrupted towards tier 4. But on the other hand, they also do powerful actions.

First they go up a tier in the relevant circumstance (eg from 25 to 100 or from 553 to 1000). Then they use the new tier level as X.

Slaughter: reduce the other surrounds by X turns
Hypnotize: reduce 1 of their own trauma by 1/X*10
Detonate: reduce their own surround by X turns
Striptease: reduce other surrounds damage by (some formula)

You need to trigger these to be able to get to tier 4, but they also make life more difficult for you.

Oohhh, that explains it.
Now gotta find a way to work around this I guess.
Damn I wish I knew earlier, then I definitely would have kept innocence break for last. That 1/X trauma reduction really makes it hard to get the other values to tier 3 if you let it stack.

 

[Ragsmu]

Oohhh, that explains it.
Now gotta find a way to work around this I guess.
Damn I wish I knew earlier, then I definitely would have kept innocence break for last. That 1/X trauma reduction really makes it hard to get the other values to tier 3 if you let it stack.

technically speaking 1 good orgy should straight up pre break all or at least most of your t3. just need good 3 capture commander to capture all the girls together.

 

[Chekhovs_Ghost]

Damn I wish I knew earlier, then I definitely would have kept innocence break for last. That 1/X trauma reduction really makes it hard to get the other values to tier 3 if you let it stack.

Honestly, I think it's the least impactful if you plan for it to happen. They only change it for 1 location and only for themselves.
At that stage in the game you can control for them to never not be surrounded. They can't fantasize (innocence tier 3 break ability) if they're surrounded.

 

[Qazex Saw]

technically speaking 1 good orgy should straight up pre break all or at least most of your t3. just need good 3 capture commander to capture all the girls together.

Huh, I'll try that out. Got all the core breaks more or less so just mass-breaking everything sounds nice.

Striptease: reduce other surrounds damage by (some formula)

Side note, striptease damage reduction formula seems to be 1/2^expo level

edit: never let em not be surrounded, noted.

 

[Konnect]

I've tested it with this recent build and everything seems to be working, you aren't the only person to say this recently so I wonder what's going on?

I'll add it here just in case, let me know if there's still problems!

Thank you so very much! I appreciate the time you spent creating the guide! It's just so much knowledge. I'm just following, going through the motions. I know it will click like everything else when learning something new. Thanks!

 

[Azur3cross]

I really do not understand what I'm suppose to do in this. Like, there's some kind of guide for telling me what it wants me to do, but it does things like 'break this one's tier 1, now do 10000 to this other person who you weren't working on at all'. And i'm missing something I think, because I don't understand how to get more evil points without breaking the ones i don't want to for the distortion paths. Is it safe if I only break T1/2 and just avoid T3 breaks?

 

[Ragsmu]

I really do not understand what I'm suppose to do in this. Like, there's some kind of guide for telling me what it wants me to do, but it does things like 'break this one's tier 1, now do 10000 to this other person who you weren't working on at all'. And i'm missing something I think, because I don't understand how to get more evil points without breaking the ones i don't want to for the distortion paths. Is it safe if I only break T1/2 and just avoid T3 breaks?

This is Game about multipliers. you need to figure how they work and dance from there. Also you need to learn to use commander. Without any suppresor/punisher upgrades. just a manual commander.one with 4 or 5 turns and 2 captures will do. with proper point economy you will get it by turn 12. after that you can freely break a core weakness per turn. as you start breaking cores you will get influx of EE to get more upgrades. distortions are harder to achieve than normal break, they will change the way you approach said chosen. also they would require you to use orgy to trigger - which again will require upgraded commander to setup. and you still want to break t3 and t4 without it you are likely wont be able to win at day 50 since you wont have enough points to buy resolve reducing upgrades. i mean i think some distortion path can be finished off without those upgrades, but as i was saying distortion is generally harder to achieve.



Edit:
2 Step guide will be

1) turns 1-12 just do whatever and save points. all you need t ocare about is doing enough reauma damage on a girls that freshly join the team so you get 1EE from them on the same turn they join. this way by the turn 12 you will have enough upgrades and points to make 4 turn 2 capture commander.

2) as long as you have 4/2 commander - that is enough for t1 and maybe t2 core breaks. there you just need to experiment with the way you play the commander. remember HATE and INJU give multipliers on circumstantial damage for the character that they are used on. EXPO gives multiplier to damage on other characters.

Extra point - as long as you surround someone while there is still not finished extermination going on - you will have an option to surround them later one more time, as long as someone else is surrounded even if extermination time has run out.

 

[Chekhovs_Ghost]

distortions are harder to achieve than normal break, they will change the way you approach said chosen. also they would require you to use orgy to trigger

What? When I went for distortion (rampage), I specifically avoided orgies. That Chosen only had tier 2 breaks. I just mostly let her rampage while I focused on surrounding the other two.

 

[haksaw]

What?

Orgies, or rather joining any group defile action doesn't count as break action. So if sodomize, for example, would break vuln you need to avoid for distortion, joining 2nd for double sodomize doesn't count as sodomize action and won't break vuln. That's the way to avoid breaks while upping circ lvles. I never did a rampancy distortion, but by the description nothing prevents her from going into orgies as long as you keep her Inju lvl higher than Hate.

 

[Ragsmu]

What? When I went for distortion (rampage), I specifically avoided orgies. That Chosen only had tier 2 breaks. I just mostly let her rampage while I focused on surrounding the other two.

For aversion you need 10 turn orgy for example just to trigger it. For negotiation iirc you need somethink like 1G of unresolved angst
even rampancy needs 15 turn surround. First 2 are not really achievable without orgy. Rampancy is easier but then it's harder to use her in orgy with others (but that depends on her weakness to hate and inju - if she weak to hate you are royally screwed)

 

[Contemplative Yearning]

So I made a portrait pack for this game, but because I don't use F95, I can't post a link to it here. You can find it on the dev's website, unsurprisingly under "portrait packs." At time of posting it's a little over half done, with 30 of 48 All 48 Chosen portraits are done and ready to go, each with a civilian transformation as well.

All images created with NovelAI, I take no credit for their existence, etc, etc,

EDIT: Each girl has two extra expressions in this pack, Smug, and Used. The game doesn't call these, (As of v37 it does) they're meant to replace Joy and Lewd, depending on the girl's personality and corruption. Make your own judgement call as to when to swap them out. Or do it immediately if you like them better. I'm not your dad.

UPDATE: As of version 37, Smug and Used now replace Joy and Lewd when used by Forsaken. Big thank you to CSDev for adding native support for my portraits.

 

[Azur3cross]

Hm...new thought/question. If I lose in campaign mode, does it still create a new loop, or does it not progress since I believe it's suppose to get harder as you go?

 

[Ragsmu]

Hm...new thought/question. If I lose in campaign mode, does it still create a new loop, or does it not progress since I believe it's suppose to get harder as you go?

Short answer - no new loop

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