Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 58] [CSDev]

[KuroSama]

Very false. A CPU is a dumb machine. Without input it does nothing whatsoever. It's no more a thinking machine than a rock. To change the logic of a computer is to change it's program. By definition.

I'd just like to say, in addition, that this isn't a matter of what I find offensive or what I think. It is not a matter of feelings. These are actually facts. If you think sex is bad, you're just wrong. Period.

Several of the other posts raise the same problem as a defense, and I'll spare you of quoting them all in full.


This attitude is correct.


... and this is not. "When in doubt just attack the person making the argument!" is not valid.



I actually did and do mean to ask a question in good faith. I assumed, coming in, that I must have missed or misunderstood something. Apparently I did not, since everyone is just overtly defending the premise. Comments to the effect of "this is a game about demons corrupting heroes" are not making any defense to the charge that the so called corruption makes no goddamn sense. If the authors believe that women can be broken of deeply held moral convictions this easily then they're sexist beyond my ability to comprehend.



To all the commentary in this vain: my issue was not with the art. It's with the fact that anyone could create something with these themes in this way. This is not an example of something with thought provoking commentary on or set in a potentially offensive world. This is instead clearly intended to directly reflect the real world and does not seem to criticize it at all. It presents this society that associates sex with evil as if it is the most obvious thing possible. It doesn't explain it. It assumes the player will have those beliefs coming in, and that the beliefs are true. I made my comment hoping that I am not alone in finding this utterly baffling.



Um, excuse me? What? You mean the people who single-handedly slaughter hundreds of demons in a matter of minutes? Those people? They're hard to view as protectors, for the simple fact that they sometimes take consequence free injuries in their fight? You're joking, yeah?



The demons use sex as their only meaningful weapon. It is the only candidate for something that could be "corruptive". You're wrong.

The fact is that if demon spawn were to use sex as a weapon, people fighting them would be trained to counter this. Rape would not have much effect. Women are not made of fucking glass. People don't just break in half when you put a dick in them. Soldiers don't get distracted by distractions. That's the entire point of training a soldier. The very last people who would ever be chosen as champions against such a foe would be virgins. This stupidity reflects on the authors and anyone who can successfully suspend disbelief, and not in a positive way.



Yes. This is the core problem. People should not and as far as I understand do not think this way. It's absurd. Why would these people who are defending millions of civilians successfully feel shame? It's asinine. Why would the population project shame on them? They literally make zero mistakes. They're perfect in everything they do. They never fail ... until they're forced to have sex. Then they inexplicably start committing arson and serial murders.


What on earth is a "pervert"? What does it have to do with zombies attacking people on the streets?



Source please. I've never seen this sentiment backed up in peer-reviewed discourse on ethics. Most philosophers argue that morality is universal, unchanging, and applies to anything conscious. What "people think" is irrelevant and not worth mentioning. In fact, what "people think" almost never worth considering on any topic whatsoever. Get on the real autism bandwagon!

I didn't want to be combative here but it's hard not to when everyone wildly and repeatedly misses the core point I'm making. Guh. Rape would simply not affect properly trained people mentally, and anyone fighting in a war like this would be trained. To think otherwise is to think women are somehow innately vulnerable and I cannot accept that anyone could think this. I can't empathise with it in the least bit. It's like thinking 2 + 2 = 5834.

 

[Sharkie94]

This game hurts my brain...
...somehow bad = demon...
...the "heroines" are reasonable for being traumatized by violent sexual assault and beatings...
...Rape would simply not affect properly trained people mentally...
...women are somehow.... vulnerable and I cannot accept that anyone could think this...

Does anyone understand this??

Yes. Demons are generally considered "bad". Evil even.
Yes. Being violently beat up and raped is a traumatizing act.
Hmmm...
What exactly is the "peer-reviewed discourse on the effect" that DEMONS have when raping fantastical heroes?
Do you have a citation for us on how one could even begin to train against being raped by magical demons?


Just a personal note here, sir, perhaps you should stay away from fiction...
...or at the very least - read up on its definition.

Take care, bro.

 

[SuperSkippy]

I didn't want to be combative here but it's hard not to when everyone wildly and repeatedly misses the core point I'm making. Guh. Rape would simply not affect properly trained people mentally, and anyone fighting in a war like this would be trained. To think otherwise is to think women are somehow innately vulnerable and I cannot accept that anyone could think this. I can't empathise with it in the least bit. It's like thinking 2 + 2 = 5834.

" What do I care for your suffering? Rape, even anal torture, is no more than information before the senses, data fed to the computer of the mind. " --Chairman Shen-Ji Yang

There is a review tab right next to this discussion tab where everyone is free to share their thoughts on the game--what it has, what it's lacking, what they liked, and what they hated. You seem to have these two mixed up.

The creator of the game has already stated his view of what corruption means to him. You have responded by writing paragraphs about how the professionally trained Chosen would be able to shrug off getting raped and having that video posted around the world. I'm not sure what philosophical engagement and critical theory you're expecting here on F95, but I'd suggest going and looking at some titties instead of whatever you're trying to do here.

 

[EpsilonSemi]

I'm having an issue where the game seems to soft lock when I reach the end of the first loop of the campaign (and fail miserably), it doesn't let me continue after the "Before long, you will rise again." end paragraph. This happens every time. I've tried new campaigns with the same result.
I'm using one custom character, if that makes any difference.
Save attached, right before the last battle.

 

[Niyebe]

I'm having an issue where the game seems to soft lock when I reach the end of the first loop of the campaign (and fail miserably), it doesn't let me continue after the "Before long, you will rise again." end paragraph. This happens every time. I've tried new campaigns with the same result.
I'm using one custom character, if that makes any difference.
Save attached, right before the last battle.

If you fail to conquer a city, that campaign run ends. You only go on to the next loop if you successfully take over a city.

 

[EpsilonSemi]

Ah, I wish the game was a bit more clear on that point. It still ends up being a softlock since I can't do anything except exit the game completely.

 

[Shasou]

If it's one of the soft locks, you might wanna also post a picture showing the soft lock happening along with your save file, those can be very helpful for the dev to debug

 

[Ragsmu]

I'm having an issue where the game seems to soft lock when I reach the end of the first loop of the campaign (and fail miserably), it doesn't let me continue after the "Before long, you will rise again." end paragraph. This happens every time. I've tried new campaigns with the same result.
I'm using one custom character, if that makes any difference.
Save attached, right before the last battle.

Yea - i looked at save. at day 50 this is literally nothing, game has not been played at all.

Spoiler: those stats at day 50 though

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I do advice you to read through the tutorial files included with game, as well as ask questions on what you do not understand here (since i do not want to explain the entirety of the game mechanics in a big wall of text, if anyone else have free time and mood, be my guest)

 

[chawuciren71]

Capture/surround sometimes raise the "opening" for other "chosen" beside the target "chosen" but not always.
Can someone tell me why? What's the mechanism?

 

[Shasou]

I have reached the end of the loop using the imago upgrade to test out the ending, and i can confirm that there is a softlock at the end of the loop, just like EpsilonSemi said. I will post an image of the softlock, my save and the steps i used to recreate it:

First things first, choose to go after Lua as your first opponent. Break his resolve using only slime. After that, manage to surround Steadfast when reaching the end of the extermination bar. Make sure that Steadfast is still surrounded once the extermination bar reaches maximum, so that Despair will fly into the sky to prepare for the final blast. Despair will then choose to kill Steadfast and will not be able to win the final battle against the demon lord. He will run away and this will prompt the final message, informing that the city is yours and you will have some time to prepare before going after another town. This time however, you will not be able to even click the continue button, there's no repeating the same message over and over, it simply freezes there.

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[Name36346]

Capture/surround sometimes raise the "opening" for other "chosen" beside the target "chosen" but not always.
Can someone tell me why? What's the mechanism?

Fear trauma. It contributes its level to openings only while other teammate(s) got themselves in bind.

 

[chawuciren71]

Fear trauma. It contributes its level to openings only while other teammate(s) got themselves in bind.

Meaning...those who ones got in bind in this battle will always recieve (1?) opening level raise when a teammate got in bind?

 

[Kalloi]

I have reached the end of the loop using the imago upgrade to test out the ending, and i can confirm that there is a softlock at the end of the loop, just like EpsilonSemi said. I will post an image of the softlock, my save and the steps i used to recreate it:

First things first, choose to go after Lua as your first opponent. Break his resolve using only slime. After that, manage to surround Steadfast when reaching the end of the extermination bar. Make sure that Steadfast is still surrounded once the extermination bar reaches maximum, so that Despair will fly into the sky to prepare for the final blast. Despair will then choose to kill Steadfast and will not be able to win the final battle against the demon lord. He will run away and this will prompt the final message, informing that the city is yours and you will have some time to prepare before going after another town. This time however, you will not be able to even click the continue button, there's no repeating the same message over and over, it simply freezes there.

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CSDev just released R39f and after repeating your steps the bug seems to be gone try it out on your end just in case!

 

[Shasou]

Fixed on my end as well, much love guys!

Gonna test out some of the Forsaken features just to make sure there's no softlocks there, then i'm thinking of making a new roster of characters to test out the game's engine flexibility with anthropomorphic chosen. Since i've read that android / cybernetic chosen are a species that is going to be implemented in the future, i've been wanting to get more creative with my selection of chosen. Seems like the perfect time for it!

 

[Sycophant]

Gonna add to the list of softlocks with my own.

Game text loops when I attempt to Broadcast Stalwart. I'm using the most recent version (39f). If anyone could look into this and provide a fix that would be greatly appreciated, please and thank you.

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[Name36346]

Meaning...those who ones got in bind in this battle will always recieve (1?) opening level raise when a teammate got in bind?

No. It means that number of levels of fear trauma gets added to particular chosen's opening level only while at least one of other chosen is surrounded/captured and has no effect otherwise.

 

[Shasou]

A shame i can't start a campaign with chosen from different species joining in on the first loop. I get that balance-wise they're a more powerful version, so you would need to be strong enough to go against them but still....erhm : /

Not really a big deal, just annoying that in campaign (my favorite game mode) i have to do multiple loops to get a animalistic chosen to pop up, and i imagine that androids are going to be the same...gonna be a pain to get a team of favorite characters from series set up

 

[PepperMan]

Am I right to assume you can't cancel the aftermath reaction of breaking a chosens core T3? IE when they break the minor T1&T2 of someone else. I wanna make sure before I give up on this aversion I setup.

Would breaking another stat first which interacts with same characters cancel out the later one?

 

[chawuciren71]

No. It means that number of levels of fear trauma gets added to particular chosen's opening level only while at least one of other chosen is surrounded/captured and has no effect otherwise.

Oh, got it. The number is her own FEAR level. Thx a lot.

 

[Qazex Saw]

Gonna add to the list of softlocks with my own.

Game text loops when I attempt to Broadcast Stalwart. I'm using the most recent version (39f). If anyone could look into this and provide a fix that would be greatly appreciated, please and thank you.

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Had the same problem myself, and approaching the chosen causing the bug(info->profile->approach) fixed it for me, so try that out?
Edit: Tried it out on your save. Yeah, approaching the chosen stops this from happening.

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Am I right to assume you can't cancel the aftermath reaction of breaking a chosens core T3? IE when they break the minor T1&T2 of someone else. I wanna make sure before I give up on this aversion I setup.

Would breaking another stat first which interacts with same characters cancel out the later one?

Activating the distortion prevents 'event' breaks on said chosen. So just work on Calamity first and get the aversion distortion active and you can do whatever.