Side question, but how the hell do I access the blogspot now for a full list of all the update changelogs, given that it's asking for my phone number, social security, credit card, birth sign and three of the hairs off my left hand to verify my age?
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Subscribestar also offers a changelog if you want to take a look, iirc its free to look at the CSDev’s post and its the same as the blog spot verbatim
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Your perspective along with seeing a few others about the game was really interesting to hear, other than the odd take about the game’s content from Accountno personThat's an interesting take on the game's lore. To me this game introduces some lore elements that i'm certain everyone here is familiar with. "Oh that demon lord, always with the "taking over the world with sex and lust" antics! He's at it again!" and then there's the magical girls / boys with super powers going against them. Nothing really new here. However, with this game, it is possible to twist it a bit. Here we play as the demon lord instead of the magical heroes and we can catch a glimpse at the organization behind them.
Reminds me of one scene from Legacy of Kain, when Raziel talks to Kain about the Sarafan being the good guys taking on the corruption of the Vampires, and Kain talks about them not being the saints he believes them to be, having their own agenda behind the scenes. No way the organization behind the chosen are the saints in this game, they have their own goals in mind. You can see how the humans treat the chosen in the vignettes sometimes, and it's not pretty.
I love how things can go either way in this story, so you can headcanon and twist some things the way you want. It certainly is flexible enough. While i was playing the game, the only part of it the i just couldn't go through due to it being way too...rough, let's say, was the Aversion system. Some people will enjoy it i'm sure, but to me it's just too much, so i never pursue any of it. The normal battles though is okay, it reminds me of some other battle sex games where the heroes tend to react very much the same. In these fictional worlds where battles take place as "sex battles" instead of violence (again, if you switch violence to tickling), it's pretty much the same, maybe that's why i'm having a different reaction to this aspect of the game haha
Edit: Yu-Gi-Oh! did the same now that i'm thinking about it.....remember GX? The military had those cards being guarded by vehicles and that exaggerated stuff? Can you imagine wars being done by card games? xD
I talked to CSDev about the lore they have in store for the game as a result of me working on a VN based on the game and out of general interest. I can say for certain there’s a lot of care put into the setting for corrupted saviors from the planned bosses to demon lords, to the psychic energy phenomenon itself. Really excited to see everything in full view once they’re in-game, there’s already a lot of Breadcrumbs CSDev has left behind through the items lore
Like you said, one of the great things about the game is the open ended nature of interpretations you can feel with the game and that extends to the actions you do gameplay-wise, even though you play a demon lord that corrupts the chosen and takes over cities, it’s up to you how you do so. If you want to be a sadistic demon lord that corrupts the chosen you come across into mind broken, sadistic killing machines then you can go for aversion, rampancy, or all out corruption, if you want to create a harem of super powered heroines then negotiation might be more your cup of tea. Even if you want to disregard all of that and play how you want without caring about the specifics you can do so.
I believe this combined with the excellent gameplay elements and developer interaction with the community that keeps the game so fresh for me.
This right here, is exactly my view on the game. Now, i firmly believe in letting the players themselves decide how to play the game, you can be sadistic, you can be sensual, you can be loving AND sensual, lustful, and so on, but it should ultimately be the player's choice to decide how they go and do things, allowing them freedom to shape their own experiences of the game they're playing.
Nowadays, it's rare to see this kind of writing, combining quality AND flexibility together, which is why i previously said that this is my favorite game to play. It fits all sides of the spectrum as well, not only offering content for those looking for straight content but gay content as well. I've played runs featuring straight and gay content and i'm very impressed with how flexible the system is.
You've touched a particular point of interest to me regarding the player's approach to scenarios in the game. I don't know CSDev's vision about this one, so i have no clue if they're going to be implementing this or not, but i would like to make a formal request here about one thing: a more seductive, persuasive approach to conquering the chosen. We have aversions, which are...well, let's not beat around the bush anymore, it's a cruel approach to the chosen, and i would like to see an alternative version that focuses more on actually seducting them and convincing them to join your cause, rather than hurting and traumatizing them. I understand perfectly if this suggestion goes against CSDev's vision of the game and it's all good if they choose not to implement it, just wanted to ask if such a thing would be too much to consider adding in
I'm happy to hear that Kalloi is also working on a game that is based on Corrupted Saviors's game world and i would love to play it once it's ready to shine, i personally am enjoying this game's lore so far
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speaking of game, trying to figure out why t3 breaks threaten planned Distortions
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Tried 1 more time and figured. Some T1 break need to beblow 10k and use the action to hit 10k.
Bug? I have trouble triggering the T1 break of Innocence. Neither Caress nor Humiliate turns green when DISG hit 10k.
In last battle, the same "chosen" hit 10k on bother DISG and SHAM when the Humiliate bottom turn green. Hit it, and then only Dignity T1 triggered while Innocence T1 condition was met but didn't trigger. I don't know if it's related. After that Innocence T1 can no longer triger any more.
In last battle, the same "chosen" hit 10k on bother DISG and SHAM when the Humiliate bottom turn green. Hit it, and then only Dignity T1 triggered while Innocence T1 condition was met but didn't trigger. I don't know if it's related. After that Innocence T1 can no longer triger any more.
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I don't know how to join the save but when I use the broadcast to break a vulnerability, I'm getting lock in a loop. I join an image
For a game about corrupting magical girls, I think it follows the tropes that have been layed by hundreds of other games that came before it.
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That feeling when you come for the porn but instead find a really addicting Text-Based Roguelike / Management Games.
Anyway I remember playing this game like two years ago and just got back to it now and none of the basic stuff is coming back to me. My main issue is that I seem to be unable to get solid breaks early enough so I'm still playing with +3 EE at day 15 and only getting around +6 EE at mid-Day 30's. I'm pretty sure those are really bad rates as I remember being at least in the double digits back then per day but I might be mistaken.
My other issue are trying to avoid Minor Vulnerability breaks to avoid Chosen's becoming friends but it seems to just happen anyway and trying to focus on Core Vulnerabilities feels impossible until you're properly built and have a damn good chain going. Are there any guides or tips out there as I remember also not really having a solid grasp on how the game really worked and just autopiloted [Pummel > Caress > Grind] sometimes flipping Grind and Pummel around depending on vulnerabilities. Getting EXPO up seems incredibly difficult if I want to break that.
Anyway I remember playing this game like two years ago and just got back to it now and none of the basic stuff is coming back to me. My main issue is that I seem to be unable to get solid breaks early enough so I'm still playing with +3 EE at day 15 and only getting around +6 EE at mid-Day 30's. I'm pretty sure those are really bad rates as I remember being at least in the double digits back then per day but I might be mistaken.
My other issue are trying to avoid Minor Vulnerability breaks to avoid Chosen's becoming friends but it seems to just happen anyway and trying to focus on Core Vulnerabilities feels impossible until you're properly built and have a damn good chain going. Are there any guides or tips out there as I remember also not really having a solid grasp on how the game really worked and just autopiloted [Pummel > Caress > Grind] sometimes flipping Grind and Pummel around depending on vulnerabilities. Getting EXPO up seems incredibly difficult if I want to break that.
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If we do not count items in the equasion - Early game usually consists of rushing 4 turn 2 capture commander. which is ususally doable by the turn 11 or 12 until then you are stuck with +1 per girl. But as soon as you get it with proper play you should be able to get at least T1s or maybe some T2s depending on stats. Next with 5 turn 2 capture - you should be able to break all T2.
If we include items in campaign - grab one (10k Circumstance once per loop) that fits the core of the first girl you encounter. and break her t2 from the get go. that should give you huge influx of points by turn 7 or 8 which hastens your commander acquisition. Aside from that - just learn to properly use commander. that is the main thing
Had this problem myself a while back.
Iirc a core t3 break will trigger a event where the chosen will force the same break on their rival who has said value as a minor if it hasn't had a lot of breaks.
From the looks of your setup, it seems that Shroud will cause a dignity break on Lady if she hits t3 dignity, while Lady will do a confidence break on Aurora if she gets a t3 confidence break.
Getting the distortion first will prevent these types of automatic breaks from happening, so you just have to finish Aurora's Distortion first, then Lady, then do whatever with Shroud.
You want a commander that's at least 2 capture and 4 duration first.
Then do pummel->grind->humiliate->caress, then slap a pummel->grind->humiliate on a second chosen.
Having a third capture to grab the third chosen helps a lot in squeezing out more captures but that's expensive and not necessary early on.
The pummel/grind adds enough damage over the 4 turns to go for a second capture right after they get free, and enough multipliers to tackle whatever vulnerability you want.
For the other chosen, you also want them captured as often as possible to buy yourself more turns and prevent damage reduction, but you don't need to pay too much attention to them other than making sure they'll get enough damage for the next capture.
https://f95zone.to/threads/corrupted-saviors-release-39-csdev.63932/post-9131932
Here is the guide is what I used when starting out. Kinda old but still works and quite handy.
I take no exception to the violence, nor to the fact that characters cope in ways that make the problem worse. That's just what humans always do. My problem is with the core, implicit, unavoidable premise of the entire world in the game.
<borderline_autistic_correction> A CPU is deterministic. It either works or it doesn't. A better comparison would be a software update. </>
This isn't a matter of taste though. That this game was created, that it exists at all, implies that there are people who accept this idea that sex is in some way inherently negative. I don't even want to consider a world in which there are people who can believe something so patently absurd. That's why I prefer to play dumb a little when I comment on topics relating to unquestioned assumptions people have about the world, and you're revealing several.
Firstly I just want to note that this game maximally associates sex with evil. It's not a minor thing. Demons wishing to destroy the moral core of mankind would be a fine premise. To undermine people morally one should force them to do things that are morally appalling, preferably ostensibly of their own will. What do we get in the game? Women are forced into sexual acts, and little else. From there they start committing actual crimes, murder, destruction, arson, condoning collateral damage, betrayal. Consider also the other premises of the game. All the women are presented as having no sexual experience at the start (or, to use an incredibly archaic and meaningless term that should die a flaming death ASAP: they're virgins). Furthermore their magic is directly associated in some capacity with that fact. When raped they're shunned by society.
Demons are by definition evil. That is not to say that they're examples of evil: they are evil itself. Demons are evil. Evil is demons. It's an equation. In this game, evil considers sex the most potent tool they have against women. Evil considers sex a moral weapon. And they not only use it successfully but additionally the society in the game implicitly agrees.
I'm not sure where I'm going with this beyond that I despise this attitude and can't understand why anyone would write a story about it. "Sex positivity" isn't a political opinion. It's an unassailable fact and a moral imperative.
Something is not rendered acceptable by being a trope.
I'm not sure why you are so focused on the narrative structure of a smut game that is referencing the magical girl corruption genre, the plot of an erotic-game is mostly to provide context for the scene in question, assuming the creator is trying to make a political stance on their view of sexuality or body positivity based off the content present in the game is honestly stupid.
Do you care about the tax laws that function in this world?, how about the age of consent? I havn't seen you talk about the moral implications of sending "young people" out to fight wars against supernatural monsters.
By the way magic doesnt exist in the real world and in the hypothetical scenario where demons actually could change your personality as a result of you performing specific actions there would be irl laws put in place to monitor and prevent that activity.
Demons have the ability to corrupt those they have sex with, that's what is bad, not the sex part or who they have sex with. When the Chosen are corrupted, even a little, they become weaker against the Demons. This causes the Humans to lose faith because the Chosen, the one group that can stop the Demons, are losing, which causes even further weakening of the powers the Chosen wield and eventually just causes them to break. After losing in the final battle, that one last line of defense, the Chosen, can become the greatest enemy Humans have ever faced, the Forsaken.
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ah right, so do you have a problem with the premise of this game? or do you have a problem with the corruption trope in genera (and thereby this game as well as all other corruption game)?
Some things I would like to point out:
First and foremost, this is a porn game. We uh, kinda need the sex to be a thing. It's sort of the point. But moving on,
Yes, all 'capture' options are sexual. But also, what alternative do we have? This is a forced action mid-combat. The kind of things you can do are pretty limited by the nature of the scenario.
This isn't some super complex tactics game where you can choose what method of villainy you're going to pull off and hatch a evil plan to trick the heroes into doing questioning their morals. You always attack in the middle of the street in a giant fight with a bunch of demons and thralls attacking. It's not exactly a scenario that allows for much subtly.
Also, a lot of the corrupt actions the chosen do aren't sexual in any way.
Take t1 breaks for example. Out of the 4 t1 break actions, only one (service) is sexual. None of the other 3 breaks (violence, begging, hiding) are sexual in any way.
Similarly, of the t3 break actions, only two (fantasize/striptease) are sexual, and even then, striptease is stated to be done by the chosen's desperation to feel useful more than anything.
And while a chosen's recreational actions do have a lot of sexual acts, often, the sexual act in of itself is only shown(or implied) as a part of the reason the act is 'evil' not the entire reason. Not to mention that a large number of them just aren't sexual in any way.
Really, just avoid innocence breaks and disgust on a chosen and you can have them avoid a LOT of the sexual stuff. Try for distortions that avoid innocence and you can easily get a rarely does sexual things of their own violation.
Their magic isn't associated with how sexual they are, it's associated with how their viewed by the society. The game at many points talks about how a certain action will reduce their powers due to societal views, and it never goes 'yeah they do sex so people think they're worthless now' from what I recall. The comments are closer in line to 'It's awfully hard to think of someone as a capable protector when they keep getting captured and raped'. Which like, morality of sex aside, it IS hard to think someone can protect you when they keep failing to protect themselves.
Also pretty sure the game says the demon army uses sex because it gives the feeling that the demon army doesn't even consider the chosen a threat, which undermines the image of the chosen as undefeatable protectors. It's not just 'oh no they lost', it's 'oh no they lost, and the enemy doesn't even bother to get rid of them'.
I would also like to point out that the game technically doesn't portray the chosen from getting corrupted by sex. Like, yes, sex is the tool used to corrupt the chosen, but the chosen are ultimately corrupted when their hate/pleasure/injuries/exposure is increased to the point where they can't stand it and snap. And yes pleasure is sexual, and exposure is pretty sexual too. But the effects of exposure is humiliation and embarrassment. And honestly this is imo an entire other conversation but I will stand by that it's not a very 'sex bad' stat.
I mean heck, even pleasure, which is just all sex, isn't just 'sex bad' as the entire situation adds the caveat of "this is super not the time to be doing anything other than fighting". Like, I'm pretty sure you can still be sex positive and agree that sitting there masturbating when there's a demon army kidnapping people and attacking your allies is not a good thing to do.
I would also like to hazard a guess that this game is less of statement of someone thinking sex=evil and more of the fact that corruption is a fetish that exists (and corruption of heroes is a very common branch of that fetish), being an evil overlord is something people enjoy from time to time, and sometimes, the two meet.
Like, there are a vast array of porn where the evil organization corrupts the heroes through sex, and pretty sure the thoughy process isn't 'sex is inherently negative and thus can be used as a moral weapon against the good', but more like 'this makes me horny and to hell with how realistic the premise actually is'.
Buddy, sex positivity is a relatively recent thing in our history, when most modern faiths rose to power, they almost universally condemned any carnality outside of marriage and under extremely specific circumstances even then for various political, and economical reasons. Even now in the modern day, we don't exactly have a universally accepted stance on this sort of thing. There are lots of people who still view sex as a bad thing, still make huge arguments against 'porn addiction', or who feel masturbation is disgusting, and it's kind of hard to say those people are wrong for feeling the way they do. You can't exactly help it when you feel sickened or upset by something. That's social programming. It is what it is.
But you and I, we don't live in a world where demon lords are real, or magical girls exist. We don't have to worry about being turned into mindless thralls obsessed with sex. So we can be perverts, and society isn't going to view us as a potential liability or threat for it. Forthemostpart,anyway.
I don't approve of the idea that we need to push specific morals in every piece of media or game, every world would adapt and develop their own moral codes based on their personal circumstances. 'Harlotry' wasn't declared sinful in our world originally because the people running the church were cucked once and scared of women they like sleeping around; It was to reduce the spread of plague and poverty. Problems had emerged in our society, and morals were spawned from the fight against those problems. It helped that weddings brought in profits and influence for the church too, of course... We can see that in this game too. The demon lord can't actually do much damage to chosen initially, their thralls are only just barely able to restrain them briefly if they dog-pile them. So the only weapon they have is the psychological one, playing on their darker inclinations, desires, fears, repressed feelings, developing traumas. So the society that spawns these chosen is very quick to condemn those sorts of things, trying to control the spread of plague in a sense. Every pervert is another potential thrall to threaten the peace of a city. Every 'weakness' in a chosen's heart brought on by impure desires or impulses is potentially going to lead to the chosen not taking action when lives are on the line. That's not the dev pushing some kind of agenda unless you can see direct parallels between our world, and this world of magical girls and demon lords having giant explosive battles involving phantom limbs, magical guns, and absurdly large swords.
If we start entertaining the idea of moral policing art into some constant 'moral good', we end up stamping out a lot of art and media before it even has a chance to sprout. Our culture would stagnate into being incredibly shallow, we wouldn't be seeing all these ideas or perspectives, we'd be seeing the same perspective and same ideas over and over. I'd even argue that I'd like to see more perspectives, more explorations into being various kinds of villains, or neutral outsiders that walk the line and don't fit into society. Besides, public morality is so fickle. It's always changing, and it's never universally agreed on, thirty years ago, being gay was 'sinful', and the implication you were gay was something to be fought against tooth and nail, but now, implying homosexuality is bad is the 'sin', and everyone is expected to accept everyone equally. We can pat ourselves on the backs and say this is 'progress', but there's plenty of historical evidence that this is just the latest moral trend, and we may very well end up 'regressing' in like, thirty more years, just poof, some big movement turns homosexuality into 'pure evil' again, and the world just rolls with it, accepting it, because they were raised to believe in it whole-heartedly or because they just want to completely reject the last generation's morals and values. Moral arguments always end up being shaky foundations for any kind of demands or changes.. Good and evil are not constants. They're whatever people want them to be at the time. I mean, you're arguing it's immoral for this porn game to present sex as bad, whereas one or two generations ago, this, and any other erotic game was bad.
TLDR; I respect that the game upsets you, and your personal beliefs, and I respect that you want to present your case, and I appreciate the discussion. That isn't me trying to patronize you, I genuinely do acknowledge and appreciate your perspective here, it's given me something to think about to better flesh out my own views on the world, even if those views don't universally align with yours. But I don't believe this random erotic game has less right to exist because it's not spreading an idealized moral message. I'm not particularly moral though, I favor the arts over ethics, politics, or economics, I would rather enjoy a nice story or a particularly immersive game than aspire to some greater society-wide good. I say the game may not be for you not to dismiss your opinion, but to offer the suggestion that maybe this lewd game on this lewd game forum isn't worth worrying about, when you could be enjoying something else that actually makes you happy.
But you and I, we don't live in a world where demon lords are real, or magical girls exist. We don't have to worry about being turned into mindless thralls obsessed with sex. So we can be perverts, and society isn't going to view us as a potential liability or threat for it. Forthemostpart,anyway.
I don't approve of the idea that we need to push specific morals in every piece of media or game, every world would adapt and develop their own moral codes based on their personal circumstances. 'Harlotry' wasn't declared sinful in our world originally because the people running the church were cucked once and scared of women they like sleeping around; It was to reduce the spread of plague and poverty. Problems had emerged in our society, and morals were spawned from the fight against those problems. It helped that weddings brought in profits and influence for the church too, of course... We can see that in this game too. The demon lord can't actually do much damage to chosen initially, their thralls are only just barely able to restrain them briefly if they dog-pile them. So the only weapon they have is the psychological one, playing on their darker inclinations, desires, fears, repressed feelings, developing traumas. So the society that spawns these chosen is very quick to condemn those sorts of things, trying to control the spread of plague in a sense. Every pervert is another potential thrall to threaten the peace of a city. Every 'weakness' in a chosen's heart brought on by impure desires or impulses is potentially going to lead to the chosen not taking action when lives are on the line. That's not the dev pushing some kind of agenda unless you can see direct parallels between our world, and this world of magical girls and demon lords having giant explosive battles involving phantom limbs, magical guns, and absurdly large swords.
If we start entertaining the idea of moral policing art into some constant 'moral good', we end up stamping out a lot of art and media before it even has a chance to sprout. Our culture would stagnate into being incredibly shallow, we wouldn't be seeing all these ideas or perspectives, we'd be seeing the same perspective and same ideas over and over. I'd even argue that I'd like to see more perspectives, more explorations into being various kinds of villains, or neutral outsiders that walk the line and don't fit into society. Besides, public morality is so fickle. It's always changing, and it's never universally agreed on, thirty years ago, being gay was 'sinful', and the implication you were gay was something to be fought against tooth and nail, but now, implying homosexuality is bad is the 'sin', and everyone is expected to accept everyone equally. We can pat ourselves on the backs and say this is 'progress', but there's plenty of historical evidence that this is just the latest moral trend, and we may very well end up 'regressing' in like, thirty more years, just poof, some big movement turns homosexuality into 'pure evil' again, and the world just rolls with it, accepting it, because they were raised to believe in it whole-heartedly or because they just want to completely reject the last generation's morals and values. Moral arguments always end up being shaky foundations for any kind of demands or changes.. Good and evil are not constants. They're whatever people want them to be at the time. I mean, you're arguing it's immoral for this porn game to present sex as bad, whereas one or two generations ago, this, and any other erotic game was bad.
TLDR; I respect that the game upsets you, and your personal beliefs, and I respect that you want to present your case, and I appreciate the discussion. That isn't me trying to patronize you, I genuinely do acknowledge and appreciate your perspective here, it's given me something to think about to better flesh out my own views on the world, even if those views don't universally align with yours. But I don't believe this random erotic game has less right to exist because it's not spreading an idealized moral message. I'm not particularly moral though, I favor the arts over ethics, politics, or economics, I would rather enjoy a nice story or a particularly immersive game than aspire to some greater society-wide good. I say the game may not be for you not to dismiss your opinion, but to offer the suggestion that maybe this lewd game on this lewd game forum isn't worth worrying about, when you could be enjoying something else that actually makes you happy.