Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 58] [CSDev]

[timmyofthelake]

Worth noting that you don't need all T4 breaks to capture a Chosen, just at least one or a Distortion path. You also don't need all of the 100EE final battle upgrades to buy Imago Quickening - just at least one of the action upgrades.

As for getting vulnerability up for T4 breaks once you have T3s unlocked, I usually use one of two gameplans each day: if I'm just trying to raise most/all levels, I capture each Chosen once with a hybrid Commander (I like HATE/INJU/EXPO if I don't have the upgrades/energy to go for all 4) and try to get a strong Orgy going before Extermination ends, minimizing the turns that the Chosen have available to use their T3 actions before the Orgy, then Surround each of the Chosen in turn afterwards, letting the others do T3 actions freely with their high circumstance levels. This does an okay job at raising basically everything but CON vulnerability, which tends to raise slowly with this. For that, it's best to try to focus Captures on one Chosen and raise primarily their INJU level first. Flight is good for this, since you can use your last Capture on them at the very end of the fight.

Also want to point out that while it's definitely easier in the latter parts of a loop if your Chosen are Rivals, you'd definitely rather have Forsaken be friends, and it's totally possible to consistently achieve that in Loop 1.

 

[Sonsuka]

Worth noting that you don't need all T4 breaks to capture a Chosen, just at least one or a Distortion path. You also don't need all of the 100EE final battle upgrades to buy Imago Quickening - just at least one of the action upgrades.

As for getting vulnerability up for T4 breaks once you have T3s unlocked, I usually use one of two gameplans each day: if I'm just trying to raise most/all levels, I capture each Chosen once with a hybrid Commander (I like HATE/INJU/EXPO if I don't have the upgrades/energy to go for all 4) and try to get a strong Orgy going before Extermination ends, minimizing the turns that the Chosen have available to use their T3 actions before the Orgy, then Surround each of the Chosen in turn afterwards, letting the others do T3 actions freely with their high circumstance levels. This does an okay job at raising basically everything but CON vulnerability, which tends to raise slowly with this. For that, it's best to try to focus Captures on one Chosen and raise primarily their INJU level first. Flight is good for this, since you can use your last Capture on them at the very end of the fight.

Also want to point out that while it's definitely easier in the latter parts of a loop if your Chosen are Rivals, you'd definitely rather have Forsaken be friends, and it's totally possible to consistently achieve that in Loop 1.

I think I can 30 day it if I do alternate distortions to cause the greater sin issue to not hold back others. had them as friends with similar distortion causing greater sin to lock my ee gen early game. Edit: Manage to get to day 29 with all T4. Not sure if its worth skip still though considering you lose achievements which is a fat chunk of 200% if you go for 4 t4 for all 3

 

[antoniorandlast]

If you want to apply custom portraits, you can add the new folders to the portraits folder. Then in the game, you have to actually create a chosen with the same name as that folder to include the new custom chosen.

Been trying to figure this out with a couple portrait packs. I know you can use the "Change Portrait" button under info during a game to change the pack the chosen uses, but haven't found an option to actually create one that uses the pack by default. Am I just missing something or is that not possible?

 

[SuperSkippy]

Yah I can get to day 20-23 orgy and distortion occuring. But damn i dont know how to in 7 days hit all t4 and have the energy for imago by day 30. I keep having issue of having them being friends or similar activity thus people with higher ee energy gen work together doing lesser ee tasks. Win around day 35. Its a recent issue recently. Has anyone seen the TV interview or was it removed or somehow have I just been skipping it? (Edit: I'm assuming one custom had any chosen allowed accidently thus it wasn't possible to see, I just checked. Can I get a confirm if this is true?) I haven't been able to see any of the events like the interview or mansion invitation and also constantly have them work on lower ee tasks together. i think friendship is just a deteriment to ee gains.

I know that if your team doesn't have exactly 4 Core, 4 Minor, 4 Significant vulnerabilities, each divided up 2-1-1 with no 2 having the same level of vuln on the same stat, you can't get those vignettes. I have not experimented with "allow any team" enough to know whether a team that meets those requirements with an "allow any" Chosen will still get them. "Core Break" vignettes will also be disabled if the team doesn't meet the standard requirements--it wouldn't surprise me if including an "any team" chosen disables these even if the team would otherwise be legal.

If your "greater sins imminent" is keeping you from maximum EE, it's not the similar ones that are keeping you from maximizing EE, it's the ones that have different breaks. I did a deep dive into the source code on this one lately that's still on the past few pages here. If they've all got, say, T3 INN breaks, and INN is the one they all want to relieve the most, they'll do the associated downtime together as long as they meet the initial requirements.

Let me give you a suggestion for what I aim for in Loop 1 to hit the warp consistently. I want:
2 Chosen with the same Distortion
1 Chosen undistorted

I want 2 with the same Distortion because that gives you the related Achievement for that Distortion, which basically doubles the speed at which the Distortion progresses with repeated usage. Orgy goes down 2 turns per usage instead of 1, Tempt is changed by a .85 multiplier instead of a .9, and so on. I want the last one undistorted because of the need for quick T1/T2 breaks (generally I'd like this one to be the one with two Core Vulns) to quickly get the EE for Networked Consciousness. I aim for having them all hate each other Loop 1, because in the long run regular Forsaken aren't really worth keeping around. The benefit for making them all like each other is only easier training--and I just don't care about their training until we start getting to better species.

 

[McHuman]

Been trying to figure this out with a couple portrait packs. I know you can use the "Change Portrait" button under info during a game to change the pack the chosen uses, but haven't found an option to actually create one that uses the pack by default. Am I just missing something or is that not possible?

If you want a Chosen to use a custom portrait by default you need to make their Alias name the same name as the name of the portrait's folder. For example, the Chosen with the alias Chaos will use the portraits contained in the Chaos folder.

 

[timmyofthelake]

I haven't tested if you keep achievement progress from Distorting Chosen if you break the Distortion - if it does, seems like the best route for loop 1 is probably triple Distortion into breaking all 3 Distortions for full T4 breaks. Days shouldn't be an issue with Newspaper, I'd imagine.

 

[antoniorandlast]

If you want a Chosen to use a custom portrait by default you need to make their Alias name the same name as the name of the portrait's folder. For example, the Chosen with the alias Chaos will use the portraits contained in the Chaos folder.

I did not word that very well, but what I was looking for was a way to import custom rosters... just like the import roster button in campaign... well, answered my own question. Haha

 

[SuperSkippy]

I haven't tested if you keep achievement progress from Distorting Chosen if you break the Distortion - if it does, seems like the best route for loop 1 is probably triple Distortion into breaking all 3 Distortions for full T4 breaks. Days shouldn't be an issue with Newspaper, I'd imagine.

Yes, this doubles up on Achievements (and can bunch up some early EE as well, depending on the Distortion).

 

[Sonsuka]

Been trying to figure this out with a couple portrait packs. I know you can use the "Change Portrait" button under info during a game to change the pack the chosen uses, but haven't found an option to actually create one that uses the pack by default. Am I just missing something or is that not possible?

Oh for this. You need to create a character early on before you start a campaign. there should be a create chosen option. Then do what you need to create it there. When it asks for the name put in the name of whatever you use will name a folder(discussed later). For example, you want a chosen name Sarah, you would name the folder Sarah and then name the chosen Sarah. Then in the portrait folder in the folder of the game (like the entire game) you make a new folder(folder i talked about) inside of it then add 9 pictures as below for your custom Chosen. Then you can add forsaken folder for it. The other are unnecessary really as you will set the race so they will only really be the default (9 png u see). The Forsaken folder has 9 png or you can use none, it just replaces the png if you want when they are forsaken.

 

[Sonsuka]

I know that if your team doesn't have exactly 4 Core, 4 Minor, 4 Significant vulnerabilities, each divided up 2-1-1 with no 2 having the same level of vuln on the same stat, you can't get those vignettes. I have not experimented with "allow any team" enough to know whether a team that meets those requirements with an "allow any" Chosen will still get them. "Core Break" vignettes will also be disabled if the team doesn't meet the standard requirements--it wouldn't surprise me if including an "any team" chosen disables these even if the team would otherwise be legal.

If your "greater sins imminent" is keeping you from maximum EE, it's not the similar ones that are keeping you from maximizing EE, it's the ones that have different breaks. I did a deep dive into the source code on this one lately that's still on the past few pages here. If they've all got, say, T3 INN breaks, and INN is the one they all want to relieve the most, they'll do the associated downtime together as long as they meet the initial requirements.

Let me give you a suggestion for what I aim for in Loop 1 to hit the warp consistently. I want:
2 Chosen with the same Distortion
1 Chosen undistorted

I want 2 with the same Distortion because that gives you the related Achievement for that Distortion, which basically doubles the speed at which the Distortion progresses with repeated usage. Orgy goes down 2 turns per usage instead of 1, Tempt is changed by a .85 multiplier instead of a .9, and so on. I want the last one undistorted because of the need for quick T1/T2 breaks (generally I'd like this one to be the one with two Core Vulns) to quickly get the EE for Networked Consciousness. I aim for having them all hate each other Loop 1, because in the long run regular Forsaken aren't really worth keeping around. The benefit for making them all like each other is only easier training--and I just don't care about their training until we start getting to better species.

I tried it out on city2 which is "harder" i guess than city1 since its got some debuff. Manage to get it to sub 30 with all undistorted on city 2 . i probably was struggling since i was doing 3 distortion on city 1 thus making it a haste compare to having 1 undistorted to just slam ee generation early. Good advice though exactly what I did

 

[Sonsuka]

Also does anyone know what decides between meetup(bath) or interview? I was kinda excited to see a interview on day 15, but it went to bath T.T. Also has anyone every gotten t4 before the interview. It seems actually doable if you mix max it to the extreme and get parasitism I think. I definately didnt play to the true optimal but got t4 by day 19, which is a first for me. newspaper is ridiculously busted. Edit: t3 does nothing it seems no dialogue swap.

 

[TheFakeOne23]

I think it was said that innocence breaks weighed in on which gets chosen, with the reasoning for it being the bath scene is written more innocent while for the interview they´re supposed to be more "damaged"/less innocent. HOW strong this weight is I don´t know.

 

[McHuman]

I haven't tested if you keep achievement progress from Distorting Chosen if you break the Distortion - if it does, seems like the best route for loop 1 is probably triple Distortion into breaking all 3 Distortions for full T4 breaks. Days shouldn't be an issue with Newspaper, I'd imagine.

I'd say it really depends, as while it would double dip for achievements, you might not want to break the Distortion if you want to use that Chosen as a Forsaken, for example if you get a good Chosen with good positions for it you might want to keep them as a Rampancy Distortion due to how useful a Rampancy Chosen is as a Forsaken. Personally I think this double dipping would probably work better for loop 2, since if possible you'll want to start getting good Forsaken as early as possible, and the benefits from double dipping wouldn't really be relevant for loops 2-3.

I tried it out on city2 which is "harder" i guess than city1 since its got some debuff. Manage to get it to sub 30 with all undistorted on city 2 . i probably was struggling since i was doing 3 distortion on city 1 thus making it a haste compare to having 1 undistorted to just slam ee generation early. Good advice though exactly what I did

To be fair, Loop 1 and 2 are basically the same, the modifiers for Loop 2 are so weak that they're kinda irrelevant if you know what you're doing. Even Loop 3's modifiers aren't that noticeable unless you pair it with picking the city with the Superior Chosen.

Also does anyone know what decides between meetup(bath) or interview? I was kinda excited to see a interview on day 15, but it went to bath T.T. Also has anyone every gotten t4 before the interview. It seems actually doable if you mix max it to the extreme and get parasitism I think. I definately didnt play to the true optimal but got t4 by day 19, which is a first for me. newspaper is ridiculously busted.

Low breaks prefer the bath scene while high breaks prefer the interview. Also loop 1 is guaranteed to be the interview and loop 3 is guaranteed to be the bath.

 

[Sonsuka]

Low breaks prefer the bath scene while high breaks prefer the interview. Also loop 1 is guaranteed to be the interview and loop 3 is guaranteed to be the bath.

Didnt know that. Shame that t3 break doesnt change the dialogue was hoping it would. Manage to t3 it before day 12 and saw no change T.T

 

[TheFakeOne23]

I´m still very strongly hoping for a function to import/export clothing articles and/or entire outfits, it´d vastly improve (and shorten the time needed) custom Chosen. Considering we already CAN inport/export entire Chosen I´d think it´d be possible to implement such a thing, though I suppose only the dev would know for sure.

 

[Badhabit]

Can someone outline the general goals of training forsaken? What are good archetypes/stat distributions to go for (i.e. where are forsaken preferable to the regular commander)?

 

[Sonsuka]

I´m still very strongly hoping for a function to import/export clothing articles and/or entire outfits, it´d vastly improve (and shorten the time needed) custom Chosen. Considering we already CAN inport/export entire Chosen I´d think it´d be possible to implement such a thing, though I suppose only the dev would know for sure.

Honestly if we could I would also like that you could choose forsaken cloth as well for parasite, but that's a little unnecessary fluff I guess. The cloth system is really nice, but man I really wish we had a go back tab or if we could use <- and -> on keyboard as keybinds since u cant spam click since u might go over or the -> moves cuz the words are too long or smaller causing it to be placed elsewhere.

 

[Sonsuka]

Can someone outline the general goals of training forsaken? What are good archetypes/stat distributions to go for (i.e. where are forsaken preferable to the regular commander)?

Honestly I dont really use forsaken, but I try to use temptation one with low EE sometimes that have the option to increase their bonus damage by hypnosis and stuff so they scale. I avoid rampage since they're a hastle. I dont really see a benefit tbh to forsaken as your commander is usually just more useful. Maybe super late, honestly they slightly need a rework. Though someone correct me if someone elses uses them.

 

[SuperSkippy]

Can someone outline the general goals of training forsaken? What are good archetypes/stat distributions to go for (i.e. where are forsaken preferable to the regular commander)?

General goals of training a Forsaken-- (not exclusive but you won't have every goal for every Forsaken)
1) If they're too expensive, raise their Disgrace until they cost a more reasonable amount.
2) Increase expertise to change their damage types or make them more effective with the damage types they have.
3) Increase their Corruption stats so they can use the correct Defilers/be in the right Punisher positions.

Really, though, a Forsaken is a whole package, and you should be thinking about how to use them (and whether or not they're usable) right around the time that you get Psychic Reading and you can view what all three of the Chosen's Punishers might be.

Your Demon Commander is a well-used, sharpened chef's knife, suitable for many kitchen tasks. Well-built Forsaken are your specialty tools--an apple slicer, a cheese grater, an electric blender--that perform one task extraordinarily well.

Honestly I dont really use forsaken, but I try to use temptation one with low EE sometimes that have the option to increase their bonus damage by hypnosis and stuff so they scale. I avoid rampage since they're a hastle. I dont really see a benefit tbh to forsaken as your commander is usually just more useful. Maybe super late, honestly they slightly need a rework. Though someone correct me if someone elses uses them.

Forsaken are absolutely essential when you start seeing real damage mitigation (above 30%), loops lasting 30 days or fewer, and extremely high levels of luxuries. Before that point, they're definitely useful but not necessary, but after a certain point a Demon Commander no longer stacks enough damage to make progress at the usual points in a loop. So, it's good to get some practice in thinking about how Forsaken are useful and how to build Forsaken that themselves build stronger Forsaken.

Basically building a Forsaken is just like everything else in this game--stack damage multipliers on it and it gets better. Bigger multipliers=even better. Some sources of multipliers to damage:
1) Distortions give +50% circumstance damage to the two stats that required a T2 break for that Distortion (and can be even stronger on advanced species Chosen)
2) Other Forsaken can have Punisher bonuses that increase the circumstance or trauma damage of Forsaken that they Total Break.
3) The Forsaken herself can have a Punisher bonus that makes her deal more damage as she performs more Total Breaks
4) High Expertise gives a bonus as well as determining the type of damage dealt by the Forsaken.

The more multipliers you get, and the bigger those multipliers are, the better the Forsaken. I like to use low-cost Undead focused on dealing all one Circumstance to get quick, low-cost T2 breaks (4EE target cost at 60 Disgrace, one per Circumstance), a few medium-cost Animalistic (target: 60-70 Disgrace for a cost between 16 and 32EE) focused on dealing two Circumstances for setting up difficult T3 breaks or Distortions, and a host of extremely costly Forsaken (> 100 EE) that provide all kinds of useful high level Punisher bonuses to add benefits to any Chosen that looks promising. Also, a few others

If you want to see specifics, check here where I go through the whole decision tree for a baby-ass Forsaken: Link to post

If you look at some of my posts on the next page after that, you can see some of the more interesting Forsaken I've stumbled across or made, in my first long run.

 

[Celerarity]

I also have a post in here about deriving disgrace breakpoints that contains some useful info.