Any tips on getting an angel chosen to actually use Twisted Reward? I think I'm setting it up correctly, but she never uses it. Seemed like orgy would be good for setting this up to push her pleasure and an ally's trauma through the roof, but she lets it end like normal. Then I thought maybe she has to still be stuck after the ally escapes so they can't be doing the same action, but she isn't using it then either. Does it have to be early/late in the day? What am I missing?
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I'm running up against that in my current run too. I know I had them using it in my last long run back in R56. I was digging through the source to try to see what triggers it, if it had any odd factors like how Undead wouldn't use Enervation if it was late in the loop. I didn't see anything like that, so I'm going to try a few things and report back to the thread.
Edit: It fires off on the last turn of a Defiler+ or an Orgy, when significant Trauma has been dealt during the Defiler+/Orgy.
Managed to trigger it with a Force Orgasm+ between two Angels in two different ways, when both of them could have triggered it. It was either the last one to escape that would use it on the other, which if that's correct makes it incredibly dependent on turn order, or it's something else I can't figure out right now. When I had all 3 in an Orgy, only one of the Angels would use it, even though they both should have had two valid targets, I think.
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Right after posting this I got her to trigger it at the end of an orgy mid-battle. So, there's one data point.
I'm super happy to see the dev is paying attention to & fixing typos.
The furthest I've gotten is loop 3. I had just met Crown in a cutscene. If I understand correctly, the game is supposed to go up to 35? That's nuts. That's going to be an extremely long amount of gametime. I'm still really intrigued by the game but, man.
The furthest I've gotten is loop 3. I had just met Crown in a cutscene. If I understand correctly, the game is supposed to go up to 35? That's nuts. That's going to be an extremely long amount of gametime. I'm still really intrigued by the game but, man.
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Sounds good, generally in games you'd start on easy and move to a harder difficulty as you get used to it. (at least for the difficult games)
Day 11
OK, I found my way through Combat 11 enough to get the following established:
✔ T3 Break Testament's MOR
✔ T3 Break Testament's PLEA
✔ Megalomaniac distortion on Testament (optional, but preferred)
[ ] Get a single TVB on Luster so I can chew through 500% Morale somehow I guess?
I don't really feel like a write-up, but it involved a 2-turn 5-capture Commander with Hypnosis Punisher, CON/EXPO Defiler, and HATE suppressor.
[ ] Make Slayer stronger by getting as many Total MOR (2) and Total DIG (1) breaks as possible, spending as much EE as possible to summon her for each break.
[ ] Make Jaws (no introduction yet) stronger by getting as many Total INN (2) and Total CON (1) breaks as possible.
[ ] Try not to break Testament's T3 CON or T3 DIG
[ ] Get some Trauma on Judgment, perhaps through a long Orgy focused on CON or a large Slayer capture, before getting Imago Quickening and ending the run.
Day 12
So who the fuck is Jaws?
Combat 12 highlights
R1: Capture Luster
R5: Judgment->Capture
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R10: Testament->Hypnotize
R19: Judgment->Traumatize
Day 13
526EE?
Combat 13 Highlights
R1: Testament->Capture
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R5: Judgment->Capture
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R24: Luster->Impregnate
Downtime 13
✔ Get a single TVB on Luster so I can chew through 500% Morale somehow I guess?
[/] Make Slayer stronger by getting as many Total MOR (1 left) and Total DIG (0 left) breaks as possible, spending as much EE as possible to summon her for each break.
[/] Make Jaws (no introduction yet) stronger by getting as many Total INN (1 left) and Total CON (0 left) breaks as possible.
[X] Try not to break Testament's T3 CON or T3 DIG
[ ] Get some Trauma on Judgment, perhaps through a long Orgy focused on CON or a large Slayer capture, before getting Imago Quickening and ending the loop.
The file:
OK, I found my way through Combat 11 enough to get the following established:
✔ T3 Break Testament's MOR
✔ T3 Break Testament's PLEA
✔ Megalomaniac distortion on Testament (optional, but preferred)
[ ] Get a single TVB on Luster so I can chew through 500% Morale somehow I guess?
I don't really feel like a write-up, but it involved a 2-turn 5-capture Commander with Hypnosis Punisher, CON/EXPO Defiler, and HATE suppressor.
I'm at 492 EE, day 12, and there really isn't much left to do. So, some new goals:
[ ] Make Slayer stronger by getting as many Total MOR (2) and Total DIG (1) breaks as possible, spending as much EE as possible to summon her for each break.
[ ] Make Jaws (no introduction yet) stronger by getting as many Total INN (2) and Total CON (1) breaks as possible.
[ ] Try not to break Testament's T3 CON or T3 DIG
[ ] Get some Trauma on Judgment, perhaps through a long Orgy focused on CON or a large Slayer capture, before getting Imago Quickening and ending the run.
Day 12
So who the fuck is Jaws?
She's kind of a badass. I'm going to just send her out, even though her Stamina isn't at 100%, because I'm fairly confident she can fuck some shit up. For once, I'm not going to send out a Demon with her.
Combat 12 highlights
R1: Capture Luster
R2: Drain
R3: Traumatize
R4: Release
R5: Judgment->Capture
That's what a -184 damage does to a pretty powerful Forsaken.
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R10: Testament->Hypnotize
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R19: Judgment->Traumatize
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Day 13
Looks like Slayer can get maybe 2 or all 3 of her potential breaks this fight. How strong is she if sent out with, uh...
526EE?
yeah that sounds good enough.
Combat 13 Highlights
R1: Testament->Capture
Master of wit, that Slayer.
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R5: Judgment->Capture
R7: Barrier
This brings her over 400% Parasitism, earning another Total Break for Slayer.
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R24: Luster->Impregnate
R25: Luster->Parasitize
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Downtime 13
Seems like a pretty good place to stop. So about those new goals:
✔ Get a single TVB on Luster so I can chew through 500% Morale somehow I guess?
[/] Make Slayer stronger by getting as many Total MOR (1 left) and Total DIG (0 left) breaks as possible, spending as much EE as possible to summon her for each break.
[/] Make Jaws (no introduction yet) stronger by getting as many Total INN (1 left) and Total CON (0 left) breaks as possible.
[X] Try not to break Testament's T3 CON or T3 DIG
[ ] Get some Trauma on Judgment, perhaps through a long Orgy focused on CON or a large Slayer capture, before getting Imago Quickening and ending the loop.
The file:
Day 14
Well, I'm halfway done as far as time. These goals remain:
[/] Make Slayer stronger by getting as many Total MOR (1 left) and Total DIG (0 left) breaks as possible, spending as much EE as possible to summon her for each break.
[/] Make Jaws (no introduction yet) stronger by getting as many Total INN (1 left) and Total CON (0 left) breaks as possible.
[ ] Get some Trauma on Judgment, perhaps through a long Orgy focused on CON or a large Slayer capture, before getting Imago Quickening and ending the loop.
The easy and obvious choice is to get that last Break that Slayer wants to have. Maybe
Combat 14 Highlights
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R2: Impregnate
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R11: Luster->Surround, Grind
Downtime 14
I want 1 more break on Luster, her T3 PLEA that she is just kind of holding onto for some reason. I think I can get her to break it this fight, because Testament is now low enough in Trauma that her Megalomania will prevent her from using any T3 moves.
Combat 15 Highlights
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R26: Judgment->Surround, Orgy
There are 10 "turns" remaining in the Orgy, which really means 4 turns due to both angels helping Judgment.
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R31: Do Nothing
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Downtime 15
Day 16
10 days left and I'm almost done with this boss fight.
I deploy Jaws, again without a Demon in charge of the fight. You are enough, Jaws, even if I forgot to turn off your autotraining and you're not at full stamina.
Combat 16 Highlights
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R2: Hypnotize
R26: Judgment->Orgy
By focusing so much more on PLEA/CON than HATE, I hope I can get a full 4 turns out of Judgment in the Orgy without her switching to Rampage. If so, she may still be able to have some trauma next time for what I think may be the final battle.
And she ends up with like 3G Trauma, 7G ANGST, so I think that's probably enough!
Well, I'm halfway done as far as time. These goals remain:
[/] Make Slayer stronger by getting as many Total MOR (1 left) and Total DIG (0 left) breaks as possible, spending as much EE as possible to summon her for each break.
[/] Make Jaws (no introduction yet) stronger by getting as many Total INN (1 left) and Total CON (0 left) breaks as possible.
[ ] Get some Trauma on Judgment, perhaps through a long Orgy focused on CON or a large Slayer capture, before getting Imago Quickening and ending the loop.
The easy and obvious choice is to get that last Break that Slayer wants to have. Maybe
Combat 14 Highlights
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R2: Impregnate
✔ Make Slayer stronger by getting as many Total MOR (1 left) and Total DIG (0 left) breaks as possible, spending as much EE as possible to summon her for each break.
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R11: Luster->Surround, Grind
Well, now Testament's got all the T3 breaks, but it doesn't really matter since I already had her Megalomania activated.
Downtime 14
Day 15
I want 1 more break on Luster, her T3 PLEA that she is just kind of holding onto for some reason. I think I can get her to break it this fight, because Testament is now low enough in Trauma that her Megalomania will prevent her from using any T3 moves.
I'd also like to do some massive Trauma damage to Judgment, which can be done through a large Orgy that prioritizes INJU over MOR. So, here's the beast:
Slayer's there to watch, and so that I can "Swap Commander" for a sort of "Release" button on my Commander (cost is 2 turns, kinda ouch)
Combat 15 Highlights
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R26: Judgment->Surround, Orgy
There are 10 "turns" remaining in the Orgy, which really means 4 turns due to both angels helping Judgment.
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R31: Do Nothing
She didn't use it on Judgment because Judgment already escaped to start Rampaging. But now she's ready for the Total INN break.
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Downtime 15
Here's a frustrating incidence of Greater Sins Imminent. CSdev this one may be a bug. They both want to do a T4 HATE action. They both have that available. The thing that should be stopping them is Judgment's Castigation, but instead I'm seeing GSI, and in the model I have in my head for how the code works, this shouldn't be what's stopping them.
Day 16
10 days left and I'm almost done with this boss fight.
I deploy Jaws, again without a Demon in charge of the fight. You are enough, Jaws, even if I forgot to turn off your autotraining and you're not at full stamina.
Combat 16 Highlights
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R2: Hypnotize
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R26: Judgment->Orgy
By focusing so much more on PLEA/CON than HATE, I hope I can get a full 4 turns out of Judgment in the Orgy without her switching to Rampage. If so, she may still be able to have some trauma next time for what I think may be the final battle.
And she ends up with like 3G Trauma, 7G ANGST, so I think that's probably enough!
Next time, I'll do a turn-by-turn on the final battle after purchasing Imago Quickening.
Well my other plan for today fell through, so let's spend a little time on the Final Battle.
Day 17 (Final Battle)
To make this the final battle I need to get to Imago Quickening. I have 622 EE so this shouldn't be too hard. I'll get there through Threaten+ since all three Chosen have a Total MOR Break. Vanity, Impregnation, Synthesis, and Threaten+ are all picked up before buying Imago Quickening. That still leaves me with 167EE. I can use this to either:
1) Buy up through Empathy, getting some extra turns at the end where allies won't kill each other (they're all at Unbreakable Friendship this loop), or
2) Spend it on a monster Commander making sure it's strong enough to fucking destroy the massive resolve that Luster is going to have.
I choose to try #2.
So, let's go hit Testament!
Combat 17 (Final Battle)
(R0: Capture)
R1-R3: Barrier
R4: Swap Commander
R5: Testament->Recruit
R6: Luster->Capture
R7-R12: Barrier
R13: Judgment->Capture
R14: Luster->Threaten
R17-R19: Barrier
R20: Luster->Inseminate
Currently her HATE is lower, but still within an order of magnitude within, her INJU. Will this be enough to fix it?
R21-R33: Barrier
R33 text:
R34-R39: Do Nothing
R40: Judgment->Surround, (Action doesn't matter b/c Rampage)
R41-R44
o Nothing
And her Resolve goes 155-120-85-50-15...
R45: Do Nothing
I'll rename Testament to Morningstar, after the first mythical Betrayer to further humiliate Judgment, show Judgment that she isn't special in My eyes, and remind both of them of the betrayal that is now the core of their being...
I'll rename Luster to Bluster because it amuses Me...
And, I'll set them all up with some training.
Bluster needs to be ready to work my Stage of Humiliation until she's ultimately released, drained of all her power...
Morningstar, with a cost of 77EE, can be built into a Final Battle powerhouse, but in the end, she's not likely to keep that role for long. I'll set her up with HATE/PLEA/CON but otherwise she gets no personal attention. Whether this is a good or bad thing for her is up to her to decide...
Judgment, though, is special. She'll get hands-on training in My own ways of suffering. Am I better at devising tortures than she was? I don't know or care as long as she stays Mine, and brings her torments to bear against living Chosen instead of dead ones...
And that's a wrap! The next one I'll do this with will be Loop 25 vs Love.
Feedback on fight:
I liked this one! Negotiating the beginning had to be pretty tight, but as with all of them, once it's won it's going to pretty much stay won. Love seems to be the only exception to that, so I'm looking forward to that one. I was a bit worried when I saw Judgment could easily hit 0 Trauma, but I figured (correctly) that I had enough damage to not worry so much about that. Fighting two Angels is always a little bit annoying, but really it's not much more difficult than fighting a single one because of how the abilities are limited when there are two of them. By the point I got to this fight, I had already been successful at an angel+devil+animalistic Loop, and finishing this one in 26 days was probably overall easier than finishing that other Loop in 20 days. The synergy between the Angel and Devil was not as dangerous as I had made it out to be, because it can be overcome by just sending out fuckloads of Trauma.
Overall this fight was notably easier than the Victory fight, which is just kind of what I compare all the boss fights too, but harder of course than the original Splendor battle. If you wanted to tweak the difficulty on this up a bit CSdev, you could give Judgment another ability--like disabling the last Forsaken that captured her, to force tactics to be a bit more flexible here. Maybe, that Forsaken gets taken to Judgment's chambers after the fight, and is returned the day after next with full Motivation and empty Stamina after a cutscene revealing her greatest torture/fear (determined by personality type, with special ones for Bosses). Could be cool and gives Judgment a chance to show a bit more personality. I wouldn't want to change it up too much because my team/items are highly optimized this run and a run without Hot Tag would have had much more difficulty.
Day 17 (Final Battle)
To make this the final battle I need to get to Imago Quickening. I have 622 EE so this shouldn't be too hard. I'll get there through Threaten+ since all three Chosen have a Total MOR Break. Vanity, Impregnation, Synthesis, and Threaten+ are all picked up before buying Imago Quickening. That still leaves me with 167EE. I can use this to either:
1) Buy up through Empathy, getting some extra turns at the end where allies won't kill each other (they're all at Unbreakable Friendship this loop), or
2) Spend it on a monster Commander making sure it's strong enough to fucking destroy the massive resolve that Luster is going to have.
I choose to try #2.
Filet isn't really worth mentioning except to say that she's the latest in a long line of Second-in-Commands, that she hasn't been used in a fight at all, and this will probably be the only time she's ever sent out, to be defeated by the next to replace her.
So, let's go hit Testament!
Combat 17 (Final Battle)
(R0: Capture)
R1-R3: Barrier
R4: Swap Commander
R5: Testament->Recruit
R5: Swap Commanders (gotta get my Demon back)
R6: Luster->Capture
R7-R12: Barrier
R13: Judgment->Capture
R14: Luster->Threaten
R15: Luster->Threaten
R16: Luster->Threaten
That's two down.
R17-R19: Barrier
R20: Luster->Inseminate
Currently her HATE is lower, but still within an order of magnitude within, her INJU. Will this be enough to fix it?
R21-R33: Barrier
R33 text:
Extermination is complete as soon as she starts her Rampage, but I should get another Surround that finishes her off since flight is not imminent.
R34-R39: Do Nothing
R40: Judgment->Surround, (Action doesn't matter b/c Rampage)
R41-R44
o NothingAnd her Resolve goes 155-120-85-50-15...
R45: Do Nothing
And that's a wrap! For my Splendor conversion, I choose Triple Agent:
Some Achievements I get:
And let's check out Judgment. She needs a new name to reflect her status... anyone want to name her? My favorite mocking name would be "Indecision"
I think I want to have her dealing HATE/INJU/EXPO.
I'll rename Testament to Morningstar, after the first mythical Betrayer to further humiliate Judgment, show Judgment that she isn't special in My eyes, and remind both of them of the betrayal that is now the core of their being...
I'll rename Luster to Bluster because it amuses Me...
And, I'll set them all up with some training.
Bluster needs to be ready to work my Stage of Humiliation until she's ultimately released, drained of all her power...
Morningstar, with a cost of 77EE, can be built into a Final Battle powerhouse, but in the end, she's not likely to keep that role for long. I'll set her up with HATE/PLEA/CON but otherwise she gets no personal attention. Whether this is a good or bad thing for her is up to her to decide...
Judgment, though, is special. She'll get hands-on training in My own ways of suffering. Am I better at devising tortures than she was? I don't know or care as long as she stays Mine, and brings her torments to bear against living Chosen instead of dead ones...
And that's a wrap! The next one I'll do this with will be Loop 25 vs Love.
Feedback on fight:
I liked this one! Negotiating the beginning had to be pretty tight, but as with all of them, once it's won it's going to pretty much stay won. Love seems to be the only exception to that, so I'm looking forward to that one. I was a bit worried when I saw Judgment could easily hit 0 Trauma, but I figured (correctly) that I had enough damage to not worry so much about that. Fighting two Angels is always a little bit annoying, but really it's not much more difficult than fighting a single one because of how the abilities are limited when there are two of them. By the point I got to this fight, I had already been successful at an angel+devil+animalistic Loop, and finishing this one in 26 days was probably overall easier than finishing that other Loop in 20 days. The synergy between the Angel and Devil was not as dangerous as I had made it out to be, because it can be overcome by just sending out fuckloads of Trauma.
Overall this fight was notably easier than the Victory fight, which is just kind of what I compare all the boss fights too, but harder of course than the original Splendor battle. If you wanted to tweak the difficulty on this up a bit CSdev, you could give Judgment another ability--like disabling the last Forsaken that captured her, to force tactics to be a bit more flexible here. Maybe, that Forsaken gets taken to Judgment's chambers after the fight, and is returned the day after next with full Motivation and empty Stamina after a cutscene revealing her greatest torture/fear (determined by personality type, with special ones for Bosses). Could be cool and gives Judgment a chance to show a bit more personality. I wouldn't want to change it up too much because my team/items are highly optimized this run and a run without Hot Tag would have had much more difficulty.
depending of how much would you loathe to "lose time". campaign is pretty much " the same thing but harder and harder until the special species appear"
There is nothing special about single play except for the fact that you can preview a fight with the special species earlier, and it is easier because it doesnt end earlier nor it has damage mitigation (the game gets harder by 3 factors, damage mitigation, final earlier day and luxuries, wich make it harder for damage dealt to generate evil energy)
I have just started a Campaign whenever I was defeated and felt that it was impossible to win with my current training of forsaken
Btw, my current run , Im not training my forsaken. Im just setting a plan, and doing the special one that gives them their defiler and with that im already at loop 5 or 6
I learned most all the mechanics through singleplayer, it's pretty good for keeping a run isolated outside the forsaken on later games
the biggest thing i'd suggest for a new player is to use cheats so you can get a grip of how the systems work, then once you understand the systems you can try a legit run to challenge yourself
Ok, I'm at the end of the Love fight.
I didn't manage to fully break everything:
I converted Love through Aversion since the doubled capture time seems interesting to me. She'll be classed as 1000% CON damage and that with her Orgy defiler should make her quite good in that role.
Feedback on fight:
By this point, Loop 25, I have earned significant reductions to the Punisher Effectiveness % required for Total Break. As such, it didn't seem like Love's ability to reverse this status played much of a role.
A confounding factor was that Desecration started with a T2 MOR break, making her ineligible for Tempted. I did originally put her on the Rampant path but in the end it was more hassle than it was really worth.
20 days is a fairly tight timeline for beating 2 Demons + Angel boss. I think players with less optimized Forsaken will have trouble with this fight, but I'd expect those troubles to show up well before this fight to be honest.
I didn't manage to fully break everything:
In the end Desecration escaped, and I didn't care enough to retry.
I converted Love through Aversion since the doubled capture time seems interesting to me. She'll be classed as 1000% CON damage and that with her Orgy defiler should make her quite good in that role.
Feedback on fight:
By this point, Loop 25, I have earned significant reductions to the Punisher Effectiveness % required for Total Break. As such, it didn't seem like Love's ability to reverse this status played much of a role.
A confounding factor was that Desecration started with a T2 MOR break, making her ineligible for Tempted. I did originally put her on the Rampant path but in the end it was more hassle than it was really worth.
20 days is a fairly tight timeline for beating 2 Demons + Angel boss. I think players with less optimized Forsaken will have trouble with this fight, but I'd expect those troubles to show up well before this fight to be honest.
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The blue mark means they won't use T3 moves. It stays on them until they start a day with over 1G Trauma (I think). It's something special for Megalomaniac Chosen.
during my first playthough, i managed to distort everyone (temptation = vanguard, rampancy = rogue and, negotiation = prophet). however i was only able to total break 1 chosen (rogue) once because i focused too much on distortions and made many mistakes. now i have no idea about forsakens especially about this positions. i will try to train them with reference to the training guide doc that came with the game. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
It is not that important to total break them on your first because it doesnt really matter. It is very important to total break them WITH forsaken because some of them become stronger by doing so (for example that investigative hypnotist will deal more pleasure damage for hypnotising chosen. vanguard the memorable harvester will make his victim stronger when she transform into forsaken)
total breaks may make the forsaken easier to dispatch because it reduces the evil energy cost , but you can also reduce it by disgracing them
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akh, so need to get 1G trauma. for longest time, I really thought it will expired for next day no matter what.
thank you. i was having trouble to total break them while trying to avoid messing up the distortions. I basically never used suppresors and defilers since it breaks the distortions of other chosens. i only used a punisher upgrade once for rogue.
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