Could someone help me with forsaken training?
I've got to round 3 and have the alt city route unlocked
I went with the negotiation distortion for all 3 chosen
I've got 2 days of training in loop 3 and I think 11 in loop 4
I know I want the top one to be an ANTI breaker but I'm not sure what to do with the Superior
I've messed around quite a bit but I've run into two main problems
1. I can't get the cost down significantly without adding EXPO/ keeping EXPO as a damage
2. I definitely feel like I'm not utilising the Superior(Freedom) properly, they just seem much weaker than other superior I've had in my previous run, and are less useful at 10EE and 1000% PLEA than the 6EE with 1000% EXPO.
(I'm aware of the damage types and how they interact but I had a superior forsaken in a previous run at the same cost and damage type that was much stronger so clearly I'm doing something wrong)
Anyway if anyone has any advice to train them it's appreciated.
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Forsaken Training Basics
When you train a Forsaken, it's generally for one of 3 reasons.
1) You want to raise one of their corruption stats (often, but not always, Disgrace, to lower the cost).
2) You want them to have a particular Punisher.
3) You want them to deal a particular damage type well.
1) and 2) are strongly related. If she won't accept training for a Punisher, you'll have to raise her corruption stats (either Obedience or the stat associated with one of the damage types for that Punisher). So, how do you efficiently raise corruption stats?
The best way is to do a top-level training that affects that stat, then go down and backwards through level 3, 2, and 1, hitting the buttons that hit both that stat and Disgrace (and avoiding those that hit Hostility). For example, one of the best ways to quickly raise Disgrace (or restore the Motivation/Stamina of all your other Forsaken) goes like this from full Stamina:
Grand Concert
Tentacle Show
Mangle (you may have to switch this with the above if she won't do Tentacle Show unrestrained)
Service Thralls
Rigged Fight
Revealing Transformation
Public Confinement
Broadcast
This takes them from full nearly to empty and maximizes the hits on Disgrace--ideally, this is what you want to do.
If you have to raise Hostility instead (to make a Breeder or just to lower the Motivation cost of sending them out), your session will be much shorter:
Assist Raid
Self-Debasement
Psychic Transmission
Broadcast (if she won't Broadcast, it's ok)
Here you have to go from bottom to top, because the expensive Stamina actions are on the bottom and each one doubles the cost of the rest of the training (Hostility x4 cost, Disgrace x1/2 cost, so it works out to doubling)
If they won't do the big top-level training at the beginning, start out with Public Confinement instead and do the rest of the session as listed until you run out of Stamina. It'll be almost as good. These sessions will mess up their damage types, but those are easily fixed later once you have their stats where you want them.
Training for Damage
Damage training is easy, you want as many of these as you can fit in without changing stats that you optimized well:
Either
- Top-level train the single stat you want Expertise in repeatedly (even if this makes her Defiler go back and forth), or
- Self-Debasement, Psychic Transmission, then third-level train the two stats you want.
Just do these until your experience gain starts to get really low.
What if they won't do the training I want them to do, what then?
Make them if you can afford the stat loss that it takes to do that. If you can't, then just set a trainer on them. That'll get their stats to whatever precise levels you want them to be.
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As for your situation: PLEA damage, the best way to get that is with a Forsaken that's been Tempted. If you focus on just PLEA damage, the anti-multipliers from getting Trauma so high will quickly overwhelm the complete lack of multipliers PLEA gives you. I have a bunch of Forsaken basically set up like this at different price points:
She doesn't deal PLEA damage until she switches using Tempt, after which she's already dealt significant INJU damage.
