Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.15] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Jötunn123]

Shame, I feel that Arona and Brienne would have made good content together. Also, I feel it's never good for work-partners to discuss politics... unless they are talking about fictional slavery, then there argument is just silly.

 

[Meblue]

I know, right?

Next thing you'll tell me is that your into pegging.

 

[Kuritzkale]

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Fair point about everything being good if you ignore the bad, I guess the point I'm trying to get at is that I don't think you should look for super stringent character consistency in a porn game where player choice is ultimately the goal, and you can choose what content you do or don't engage with. Now we can quibble on how true that actually is in CoC2 because I do think it falls flat in that regard but still, that's my point.

I don't think your point about it not being an NTR game is really fair though, it isn't a game that is trying to appeal to a specific fetish, it's an """RPG""" porn game with (in theory) lots of content for all different kinds of people to enjoy. The game isn't beholden to any specific kinks, it IS an NTR game, in the same way it's a pregnancy game, or a futa game, or whatever.

Also, I don't think a lot of it is avoidable, I explicitly said that it SHOULD be avoidable, but a lot of it isn't currently. For the character stuff... look, I'm not trying to sound mean cause I generally like people on this forum, but I do think you are MAYBE headcanoning stuff and then getting upset when the game doesn't follow your idea of what a character is, and aren't realizing it. You're right that most characters aren't upfront with the fuckbuddy status shit, but they also don't go around saying they're exclusively yours or anything. Only character I can really think of doing that is brienne.

 

[helllover]

Seems like I was wrong about what happened between Brienne and Arona, I really only got info from here and Fenoxo's forum, I have no interest in their discord since I don't really have such a favorable opinion towards their content.

 

[Doran]

Aileh was introduced literally masturbating publicly on the roof of your fort. She's pro corruption and is actively in favor of Kas and her methods. She was raised by someone who probably has more sex than anyone else in the world, and thoroughly enjoys decadence and excess.

Her going for a quick gangbang is definitely more in line with her initial characterization than her being a doting mom.

Not to say that content was bad or anything, I thoroughly enjoyed it. New content shedding more light on a character's...character is kinda my whole point.

She does not masturbate publicly. She purposefully waits till only the PC is there. Forewarning, I have yet to see her new wholesome content myself. In her talk about corruption she is specifically against demons and the complete loss of compassion and empathy that comes with fully becoming corrupt. Honestly as corruption does not equal sexual liberation, I have no idea what exact part of corruption she supposedly loves, as the only discernable part of corruption she rejects fully. Her whole talk about corruption has her hating on demons for that obsessiveness and excess. Also if she is in favor of Kas and her methods why is she remaining neutral at the fort?

 

[Biostar]

Aileh was introduced literally masturbating publicly on the roof of your fort. She's pro corruption and is actively in favor of Kas and her methods. She was raised by someone who probably has more sex than anyone else in the world, and thoroughly enjoys decadence and excess.

She also censors herself from cursing because Kas raised her not to. She was also not as interested in casual fucking as her sisters and they kept people looking to fuck away from her.

 

[confusedcommoner]

Cait sleeps around regardless of your input. Repeatedly and at length. Its basically warning that MOST of her content is focused around this specific thing. It doesn't mean that all others characters don't have any of said thing at all.

I know she does, I say this in the post you replied to, and it's a major issue with the game for many people. She interjects even in scenes where it's detrimental or distracting for the player, e.g. her eyeing up your mother-in-law (and possible lover) at your wedding. I don't think it's a good idea or feature.

I don't think we should expect apathy, just understanding. This kind of stuff is a normal part of the dev process.

Fair enough, but, again, it's hard to be understanding with how out of place a lot of the choices are. Especially when you say stuff like:

Aileh had zero family content on release. Nothing suggesting it or pointing towards it. For a long time, she was just a demon you could bang that hung out in the Wayfort. "Wholesome family content" got added in Mayternity. Out of the blue, for no reason at all. But noone's complaining out that despite being "out of the blue".
Brint->Brienne was also out of the blue, no prior setup. No complaints.
Your issue isn't actually with the characters portrayal here. This isn't an inconsistency with how the characters act in-universe, it's about what content you like.

This seems incredibly disingenuous to suggest these are comparable. Aileh was an arrogant romantic virgin with only PC content from implementation onward; it isn't even close to a stretch for her to end up with family content, which is the average conclusion to romance. Brint -> Brienne is controlled by player action, not a result of OOC action by the NPC, and results in separate characters. Simultaneously arguing that Brint/Brienne content split is an issue, but waifubait characters randomly gaining poly content/a route isn't, is a bizarre position. Atugia's weird transition between kiss-less virgin and bragging about + performing her oral skills is incongruous.

No one was talking literally about content "coming out of the blue," that would be foolish considering we aren't behind the scenes with the dev team, we're discussing characters acting OOC and doing things that feel "out of the blue" for the character. I won't bat an eye when Cait receives her 50th NPCxNPC scene, but if she swore an oath of monogamy next patch I'd raise an eyebrow. People don't like when characters act inconsistently with their previous actions and personality; it makes the author's hand on the scale glaring. It is very clearly an issue of inconsistent portrayals, not just personal preferences.

What Daken said was true, not mean. You shift the goalposts+strawman often, which isn't arguing in good faith; it results in pointless discussion. Arguing is cool, I don't want the forum to be a circlejerk, but bad faith arguing and barely reading posts before replying gets old.

 

[muschi26]

Futa was number one, and futas are still only about 13% of the game. I doubt the polls significantly influence the devs plans.

According to my calculations, there's preg content involving:

6/10 companions (depending on whether you count Brint/Brienne as separate, or if you include Azyrran's egg-preg).
37/129 sexable persistent characters, with more on the way (e.g. Brinthaus). Again, some variation might be expected depending on how you count.
Plus a handful of generic characters.

So approximately 30% of characters have preg content.

 

[Meblue]

According to my calculations, there's preg content involving:

6/10 companions (depending on whether you count Brint/Brienne as separate, or if you include Azyrran's egg-preg).
37/129 sexable persistent characters, with more on the way (e.g. Brinthaus). Again, some variation might be expected depending on how you count.
Plus a handful of generic characters.

So approximately 30% of characters have preg content.

Which is far too low in my opinion.

 

[muschi26]

Which is far too low in my opinion.

Preach, brotha.

 

[undyingrevenant]

I wish there was more variety in scenes for the hyper weapon customization. Knots are supported pretty good but some in particular like porcine are very disappointing. It'd be nice if characters had optional preferences they reacted better to, the ole reliable human 12 incher gets boring after a while. Doesn't have to be massive differences but it'd be nice to have like a sentence different at least occasionally. Just kinda ruins the fun of so many options when they're kinda empty, we deserve to mind break the whole kitsune den with our porcine drill build-a-peen

 

[muschi26]

the ole reliable human horsecock 12 incher

FTFY

 

[Skandranon]

This seems incredibly disingenuous to suggest these are comparable. Aileh was an arrogant romantic virgin with only PC content from implementation onward; it isn't even close to a stretch for her to end up with family content, which is the average conclusion to romance.

There are exactly two romances in the game that end with full family scenes with interactable children that's I'm aware of.

That's why I said "family content" and not "pregnancy". Aileh getting pregnancy content would not be considered out of the way. Aileh and her kid getting the Kinu treatment is a direction for her character that is not at all suggested by her initial content.

Not that this was a bad thing; my whole point is that new content being introduced to characters isn't necesarily a bad thing.

Brint -> Brienne is controlled by player action, not a result of OOC action by the NPC, and results in separate characters. Simultaneously arguing that Brint/Brienne content split is an issue, but waifubait characters randomly gaining poly content/a route isn't, is a bizarre position.

It's a really, really easy position to defend. One is an active detriment to the future content a character gets, one isn't. Brienne takes content from Brint and will continue to do so in the future. Atugia having a sex scene with another person...doesn't do anything. We're not talking about a "route" even, which you could argue will affect future content; we're talking isolated sex scenes with no hint of a follow up.

If your position is that devs shouldn't introduce elements to a character that are not suggested by the characters initial content, you should be equally down on all instances of this.

I won't bat an eye when Cait receives her 50th NPCxNPC scene, but if she swore an oath of monogamy next patch I'd raise an eyebrow. People don't like when characters act inconsistently with their previous actions and personality; it makes the author's hand on the scale glaring. It is very clearly an issue of inconsistent portrayals, not just personal preferences.

Caits preferences are explicit. That makes sense. Saying, say, Atugia isn't down for X thing when she's made zero show of a preference one way or the other is not at all the same thing.

What Daken said was true, not mean. You shift the goalposts+strawman often, which isn't arguing in good faith; it results in pointless discussion. Arguing is cool, I don't want the forum to be a circlejerk, but bad faith arguing and barely reading posts before replying gets old.

I've said the same thing since the beginning, and made the same points. If you think the discussion is pointless, then that's fine, but I don't really need anyone to weigh in on my motivations.

If there's a point to make, make it; if you don't want to talk about something, I respect that. But accusing someone of "bad faith" arguments tends to simply be a way to discredit someone without actually engaging.

 

[M0nte]

so i have something controversial to admit: i kinda like quin. or i guess i like the IDEA of quin. first of all design wise he's kinda what i was talking about in earlier posts that we need more of: dudes with normal body types. he's not super muscled, but he's not full on fem-twink either.

first of all design wise he's kinda what i was talking about in earlier posts that we need more of: dudes with normal body types.

he's not super muscled, but he's not full on fem-twink either.

Bullshit!

 

[hater45]

You would all be a lot happier if you just skipped almost all the non porn scenes in the game.
That's what i do. Ignorance is bliss i say.

I mean you kind of have to because the world is either uninteresting or just inconsistent. If only I could interact with it in a meaningful way, then I would give a shit about it.

 

[Biostar]

Which is far too low in my opinion.

To add to that, not enough content with your kids. One thing I’ll praise TiTS for is their nursery. You can actually interact with them instead of just being a number on the screen. This mandate to only just do that or do a whole dedicated kid character just encourages writers to be lazy and opt for just sticking them in the nursery to be a statistic.

 

[undyingrevenant]

I want asagiri to be interactable and a daddy's girl so I can whisper to her "you're my favorite"

 

[A Burning Conscience]

There are exactly two romances in the game that end with full family scenes with interactable children that's I'm aware of.

Three, Aileh, Kiyoko and Zo.
But I think I'm the only one who remembers Zo exists, and that's just because she's Brooke 3.0 and I liked Brooke.
Also there's technically the Harpy wingleader but it's not a romance, just a random battlefuck and one repeating scene of her showing off your daughters.

 

[confusedcommoner]

There are exactly two romances in the game that end with full family scenes with interactable children that's I'm aware of.
That's why I said "family content" and not "pregnancy". Aileh getting pregnancy content would not be considered out of the way. Aileh and her kid getting the Kinu treatment is a direction for her character that is not at all suggested by her initial content.

Maybe I don't understand your point here, but it seems like semantics at best. The depth/length of a character's preg/family content is irrelevant when we're discussing character consistency and natural content for the character. I think most people would prefer that model over the nursery number generator, assuming the trade-off doesn't include one-off preg and Miko/Mai dilemmas.

It's a really, really easy position to defend. One is an active detriment to the future content a character gets, one isn't. Brienne takes content from Brint and will continue to do so in the future. Atugia having a sex scene with another person...doesn't do anything. We're not talking about a "route" even, which you could argue will affect future content; we're talking isolated sex scenes with no hint of a follow up.

It's an inconsistent position. Both situations take away development time for the character's original audience. Instead of Atugia + Brint we could've had an Atugia, or Atugia/PC scene, platonic or otherwise. Azzy + Liaden is a defined "route" (branch) that took up a significant portion of her content as a companion. You can opt out of A + L now, which is nice, but that still means it was wasted development time for a good chunk of her initial audience.

"No hint of a followup" is also odd when things like Elthara having threesomes turned into Elthara/NPC preg content, A + L turned into a whole branch, Atugia's talk about her oral skills turned into Arona + Atugia sexoff, Arona bedding Livrea might turn into Arona/Livrea content/preg, etc. When the writers get a foot in the door with stuff like this, it tends to develop into more of that content, even when it's "just casual sex."

If your position is that devs shouldn't introduce elements to a character that are not suggested by the characters initial content, you should be equally down on all instances of this.

I think, by a miracle, Brienne turned out to be a good character and addition to the game, but I know her existence affects the development of Brint's content and vice versa. It differs because ultimately it results in two separate entities. Brienne being submissive and monogamous doesn't actually affect Brint, he's still "Brint," and Brint's proclivities don't directly affect Brienne qualitatively, though of course they affect each others content in terms of quantity.

Caits preferences are explicit. That makes sense. Saying, say, Atugia isn't down for X thing when she's made zero show of a preference one way or the other is not at all the same thing.

You're attacking a strawman here, but I'll engage because I think it's interesting and contentious. You're correct, they are different; Cait's preferences are explicit, and Atugia's were/are implicit (kiss-less virgins are generally not down to immediately jump into polyamory or casual sex). Inferring things from text is normal when you're reading fiction; it makes for very dull reading if characters announce everything they're going to do before they do it, but you still expect their spontaneous action to make sense with their prior personality or motives. I think it's important to not get into headcanon, but Atugia being a kiss-less virgin is explicitly expressed, and I don't think people having expectations either in the form of cliché content or scenes/an arc showing her changing is unfair.

If this were real life, I'd agree that saying you know someone off of inferences is often dumb, but we're talking about fictional written characters, whose actions are entirely controlled by their author. Tolkien could've written a Gandalf romance into Return of the King, as Gandalf showed no explicit preferences for or against romance, but I'd still think it was a waste of time and very weird. You see something similar to this in the Hobbit movies with Galadriel, which was a platonic thing, and even that was a bit odd.

I've said the same thing since the beginning, and made the same points. If you think the discussion is pointless, then that's fine, but I don't really need anyone to weigh in on my motivations.

I never said anything about motivations, just your actions. I don't know or really care about your motivations.

But accusing someone of "bad faith" arguments tends to simply be a way to discredit someone without actually engaging.

I'd agree if I didn't engage with your points, but I do, so this makes no sense. You avoid engaging with people's actual points very regularly which is why I said "it results in pointless discussion."

I'll probably stop here so we stop shitting up the thread.

 

[MoneyMan181]

There are exactly two romances in the game that end with full family scenes with interactable children that's I'm aware of.

That's why I said "family content" and not "pregnancy". Aileh getting pregnancy content would not be considered out of the way. Aileh and her kid getting the Kinu treatment is a direction for her character that is not at all suggested by her initial content.

Not that this was a bad thing; my whole point is that new content being introduced to characters isn't necesarily a bad thing.

The problem is not new content introduced to characters. I really don't know why you would even think that. The problem is when that new content introduces angles to a character that don't seem to fit with the character well. Aileh getting family content fits her just fine, while with someone like Cait it would look EXTREMELY out of place.

It's a really, really easy position to defend. One is an active detriment to the future content a character gets, one isn't. Brienne takes content from Brint and will continue to do so in the future. Atugia having a sex scene with another person...doesn't do anything. We're not talking about a "route" even, which you could argue will affect future content; we're talking isolated sex scenes with no hint of a follow up.

If your position is that devs shouldn't introduce elements to a character that are not suggested by the characters initial content, you should be equally down on all instances of this.

To play Devil's advocate, you don't know if Brienne is the reason Brint isn't getting as much content now. For all we know, Wsan just hasn't wanted to write anything for Brint in quite some time. And to say she will continue to do so in the future feels... really disingenuous. Who's to say he would work on Brint with all the time he has worked on Brienne? I don't think it's a reach to say he could focus on his other NPCs if that was the case.

Atugia's sex scene with another person affects a person's view of her. It really doesn't make sense to introduce the character as some sort of blushing virgin tomboy character, have her say she loves the PC(whichever scene was written first doesn't matter, as a player could easily get this one first), then make her go suck off Arona for a reason as weak as "she didn't believe I was good at oral". Which also makes no sense because the Carmen oral thing isn't even in the game yet and even if it was, I would again ask, why staple this onto the girl who has kept her virginity for hundreds of years? Obviously it means something to her, so it's very strange that the seemingly sexually reserved girl is now randomly bragging about her oral skills and performing it on another character. Whether or not it affects future content is irrelevant, as something like that could directly impact someone's enjoyment of the character. There's a reason we don't see content of Hretha or Infrith getting fucked by other orcs even though it wouldn't actually affect future content for them.