Quintilus

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> new update
> no promised snek content
Trash update, 0/10, very disapointed, goods not as described, very dissatisfied.


her suddenly falling in love with Liaden is just dumb
To be fair it COULD have sense if core cleanse would take considerable time to cleanse. Like, paladin gf stayed in hive for long time -> hornied gf spent a lot of time with her -> 'hmmmmmmmmmmm, I think paladin gf have something in her, guess I should honey her' -> hive get cleansed -> 'sorry champion bf, I like you but I also like paladin gf...would you like to have threesome???'.
 
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Deviton123

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To be fair it COULD have sense if core cleanse would take considerable time to cleanse. Like, paladin gf stayed in hive for long time -> hornied gf spent a lot of time with her -> 'hmmmmmmmmmmm, I think paladin gf have something in her, guess I should honey her' -> hive get cleansed -> 'sorry champion bf, I like you but I also like paladin gf...would you like to have threesome???'.
Yo if that were the case, I'd hate it even more. I mean, that sounds like the typical start of most IRL poly relationships (I hear about a lot of these) minus the threesome. One person some time into a relationship suddenly says they're poly, in reality, they have probably been sleeping around in secret but are tired of hiding it and want a free pass. The other person is seemingly ok with it, but actually isn't and can't leave because they are either: too attached or don't believe they can find anything better for some reason.
 

Lucky_I

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her suddenly falling in love with Liaden is just dumb.
Well for one that's how love works. Brain chemicals are serious business. Not to mention Laiden is attractive and went out of her way to help Azzy, not unlike the PC. Also let's not ignore the fact that we can have sex with Azzy right after meeting her and that's before we're even allowed to hug her. Trying to "logic" this whole deal, especially for a porn game, is futile.

Besides, at the end of the day you can just. say. no. and the whole thing is shut down. I'll never understood why it's perceived as such a big deal with people.
 

Deviton123

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Well for one that's how love works. Brain chemicals are serious business. Not to mention Laiden is attractive and went out of her way to help Azzy, not unlike the PC. Also let's not ignore the fact that we can have sex with Azzy right after meeting her and that's before we're even allowed to hug her. Trying to "logic" this whole deal, especially for a porn game, is futile.

Besides, at the end of the day you can just. say. no. and the whole thing is shut down. I'll never understood why it's perceived as such a big deal with people.
You have to understand that people are upset BECAUSE it happened. Saying "no" doesn't erase the fact that it happened.
 

helllover

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I wasn't a fan of the pre-sequel, The gist of the main story was decent but I was far less a fan of the other content such as the side quests and npcs.
 

Lucky_I

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You have to understand that people are upset BECAUSE it happened. Saying "no" doesn't erase the fact that it happened.
No, I really don't understand. It's a porn game where the entire setting and point is about sexual openness. A character ASKING you, the player that fucks around all the time as is, upfront for help to get with someone. That you can shut down entirely should you wish and nothing ever comes of it afterwards. I'd understand if she went behind your back like, I wanna say, Amily in the first CoC. But she doesn't. It's dropped.

It really seems to me that people should stop projecting onto their PC so much if something like that in a porn game can upset them. It's bordering on incel shit.
 
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Tau_Iota

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Well for one that's how love works. Brain chemicals are serious business. Not to mention Laiden is attractive and went out of her way to help Azzy, not unlike the PC. Also let's not ignore the fact that we can have sex with Azzy right after meeting her and that's before we're even allowed to hug her. Trying to "logic" this whole deal, especially for a porn game, is futile.

Besides, at the end of the day you can just. say. no. and the whole thing is shut down. I'll never understood why it's perceived as such a big deal with people.
You're ignoring where I gave a much better way to implement their relationship. If we're basing her attraction to Liaden on that she "went out of her way to help Azzy" then should Azzy not turn to the player first, given we flat-out did far more? Then you could say "Well maybe Azzy has a type that Liaden fits," but that doesn't make sense either given that the PC can look exactly like Liaden. Given that the pair spent so little time together, Azzy should not be immediately chomping at the bit for a chance to date her since she isn't for you either. That's why I suggested it would be better to work it like Alyssa/Jeremy in ORS, you get your chance but if you don't show interest she'll turn her attention elsewhere. Otherwise any male-presenting PC is left wondering, "Why did I help her again?" Because it isn't like you get any worthwhile loot from the quest, or anything aside from an additional companion.
No, I really don't understand. It's a porn game where the entire setting and point is about sexual openness. A character ASKING you, the player that fucks around all the time as is, upfront for help to get with someone. That you can shut down entirely should you wish and nothing ever comes of it afterwards. I'd understand if she went behind your back like, I wanna say, Amily in the first CoC. But she doesn't. It's dropped.

It really seems to me that people should stop projecting onto their PC so much if something like that in a porn game can upset them. It's bordering on incel shit.
Assuming everyone plays the same character is the first mistake. Not everyone plays the same, banging whoever they can. An example being when I played CoC1 as a paladin and only ever slept with Amily because from my character's perspective she was really one of the only pure people left. He felt that while Tel'Adre might not have been as evil as the demons, they were still far from pure. Amily goes behind your back after you go behind her back. Tit for tat and two wrongs don't make a right, but credit for having some consequences for the PC's actions. Asking someone upfront/backwards/sideways doesn't matter. It's dumb, and it's forced. It's like any bad writing, the writer did not earn this moment. Because like I said, you could be the spitting image of Liaden and Azzy will still pick her. Doesn't make sense, as they hardly know each other. You can't assume the player sleeps around (or even that Azzy knows they do) because not everyone plays the game the same way.

And I really want to call this out but "It really seems to me that people should stop projecting onto their PC so much if something like that in a porn game can upset them. It's bordering on incel shit." is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why? Because people get attached to their characters. I'll even give you an example, God forbid people get invested in and attached to their characters, right? Vin Diesel was such an incel for having his old DnD character's name tattooed on his stomach in the movie xXx, right?

And I'm not even one of the people who get upset that characters can do things I wouldn't like them to do in other routes. I think it's silly for it to be upsetting if you're not currently on that route, but I can understand the perspective. Because it's "If Route X [Character] is capable of doing that, then doesn't that mean Route Y [Character] is also capable of doing that?" Then you have to metagame to justify why they wouldn't and say "Well Route Y [Character] wouldn't because that's not the route I'm on," which means kiss your immersion goodbye.

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Besides, at the end of the day you can just. say. no. and the whole thing is shut down. I'll never understood why it's perceived as such a big deal with people.
It's in no way foreshadowed that she's going to treat Liaden better than the MC. That's why people have a problem with it. If it was just a throuple where all 3 of you could have sexy fun times together, nobody would mind.
It really seems to me that people should stop projecting onto their PC so much if something like that in a porn game can upset them. It's bordering on incel shit.
Telling people to not self-insert themselves when the MC is made for this explicit purpose is... I'm just gonna say silly to avoid being mean. You are designed to role play these games. You are designed to put yourself in the shoes of the MC. You completely tailor their name, appearance, fighting style, morals, and relationships. The game is written in the second person for crying out loud, of fucking course people are going to project onto the MC.

It's not incel shit to feel miffed when a friend turns around and starts treating you like the third wheel whenever their SO is brought up. That's basically what happens with Azy.
 

Tau_Iota

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It's not incel shit to feel miffed when a friend turns around and starts treating you like the third wheel whenever their SO is brought up. That's basically what happens with Azy.
Also I forgot, people just get attached to their characters. It's literally the only reason why Kiryu from Yakuza isn't in any fighting games, his creator Toshihiro Nagoshi doesn't want to see Kiryu beating up women. He's too attached to his character to make the free money that letting his character appear in a game like Super Smash, Tekken, or Street Fighter entails.

Obligatory Kiryu vid:
 

Quintilus

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Yo if that were the case, I'd hate it even more. I mean, that sounds like the typical start of most IRL poly relationships (I hear about a lot of these) minus the threesome. One person some time into a relationship suddenly says they're poly, in reality, they have probably been sleeping around in secret but are tired of hiding it and want a free pass. The other person is seemingly ok with it, but actually isn't and can't leave because they are either: too attached or don't believe they can find anything better for some reason.
Lets say that in a 'what if' world core cleansing would take week.
After player picked it and handled it to Sanders he, player, have no reasons to visit hive again, until core is cleansed. Yes, its still possible to visit it, but even a good games (not what we have here right now) wont be tracking it, due to complexity that it will create for a writing/writers/character progression/etc. (3 visits? It require new scene!!! 10 visits? It should make hornet disappointed. 17 visits? It should piss off Azzy for not bringing up any news, besides 'working on it'). So the only point that should be 'recorded' after taking of core, to progress story/quest, is a "bringing cleansed core back". That's why/when 'buzzing insect' would become more acquainted with the 'paladin gf'.
 

Pipeworker

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I usually like to check the code on the side while I'm playing just to see what extra tidbits could be missing from the current scene (if statements and whatnot) and while I'm going through Lyric's stuff I find this shit
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Savin&Co certainly know how to make lotsa spaghetti.
 

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You're telling me this woman who is basically an adventurer like us, has been living in a world where most of the rape shit, sex cults, and sluttery has been happening since before even Kasyrra appeared didn't get SOME dick?
With the amount of bullshit going on in the game, that's the question you're asking? It's probably one of the most believable things about a character, especially a basic bitch human priestess or whatever. There's nothing wrong with lesbians i nthe game, or lesbian relationships between her and your companion. The issue is only ever with how it's done; how they meet, what content they have, what it changes for you, and obviously how it changes the companion.
Tbh I have no real idea what it even is about, as I skip over Liaden and Azzy content because I don't really care about a companion who you can't have a deeper relationship with (out of the ones that you can have, only one has any good content), that doesn't sleep around left and right on top of being 2nd-hand. I'll have to look into this because I always just skip over Liaden/Azzy bs because I have no interest in hearing of how a potential gf found herself a gf.

Wait, do people actually think that Pre-Sequel story was bad?
It wasn't horrible, just plot hole-y and fucky with the timeline and events a bit. Also, the real problem were stale dialogues, boring characters, even slower map traversal, and LOADS of backtracking. Like, holy fuck did you need to backtrack a lot in this game. Overall it was a worse BL2 with nonexistant villains, I don't even recall one boss from it and I've played it multiple times. It's just... worse, is all.


It's bordering on incel shit.
Dude, you're on a fucking porn games site. People come here to talk about weeb porn games, and descend into the comments to create big threads of discussion on writing, gameplay, philosophy. If you're coming here, and then jacking off to a damn text game, it's pretty damn hypocritical to call people incels for self-inserting into a character that is supposed to be a self insert by design, and getting attached and having certain feelings about characters made to have the player attach to them and have certain feelings.
And anyway, some guy wants his 20 inch tentacle cock to enter the rectum of any and every character he meets, other wants to transform into a demon and corrupt everything (content pending lmao), someone would like to form a bike rental with Cait, and I want a harem of wives waiting for me with big bellies while my futa char knocks up more cunts left and right.
It's all stuff people can't do irl, but can in the game. You want Jeff or other Kyle to go out in the streets and fight someone with a sword, hoping they'll hop on his cock afterwards?
 

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I'm not saying people don't have good reasons to dislike the Azzy/Lia thing, and it could absolutely have been handled better, I'm just saying it doesn't bother me.
 
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Pipeworker

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You have better way of dynamically changing string in specific places?
Yes. You could have some LyricHimHer/LyricHeShe/etc variables that are dependent on Lyric's gender flag, (or whatever it is that dictates their gender) and instead of making a shit ton of if statements all over the place, all you'd need to do is integrate those variables to the parser so that they print the corresponding string whenever they're called.

JS is not even the limitation here (if that's their excuse), it's just how their brains work.
 
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