Deviton123

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I think the level of upset at things gets conflated. Disliking content does no have to mean full on frothing rage. I have a huge amount of disdain for Savin but that does no mean I walk around with a constant (metaphorical) hateboner for the guy. I find it very strange that any stated point of view expressed seems to get interpreted to the max. And to head off the inevitable "well you posted about it on a forum, you must care a great deal." argument, doing so takes very little time or effort so no.
Nah I don't hate him, I hate some of the shit he writes along with his pretentiousness. But I don't hate him to wish him bad fortune.
That's fair and true. But I would recommend considering that this particular forum of over 1.2k pages in which I could absolutely, without much exaggerating, say that roughly half of it is complaining about the same shit over and over, with it usually involving the same people, for more or less last 4 years.
To be honest from what it looks like, the reason you're not upset is because you don't have a personal attachment to the IP.
 
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That's fair and true. But I would recommend considering that this particular forum of over 1.2k pages in which I could absolutely, without much exaggerating, say that roughly half of it is complaining about the same shit over and over, with it usually involving the same people, for more or less last 4 years.
People are having a jolly good time taking the piss on them.
 

Walk Cycle

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That's fair and true. But I would recommend considering that this particular forum of over 1.2k pages in which I could absolutely, without much exaggerating, say that roughly half of it is complaining about the same shit over and over, with it usually involving the same people, for more or less last 4 years.
I think the level of upset at things gets conflated. Disliking content does no have to mean full on frothing rage. I have a huge amount of disdain for Savin but that does no mean I walk around with a constant (metaphorical) hateboner for the guy. I find it very strange that any stated point of view expressed seems to get interpreted to the max. And to head off the inevitable "well you posted about it on a forum, you must care a great deal." argument, doing so takes very little time or effort so no.
Nah I don't hate him, I hate some of the shit he writes along with his pretentiousness. But I don't hate him to wish him bad fortune.
I like to shit on the bulk of content written by Tobs but that doesn't really mean I hate the guy, it just means I think his content sucks donkey balls. I don't even know who these guys are, the only personal details I know about the writers/devs is that BubbleLord definitely, absolutely has a job that pays magnitudes higher than what he gets on writing for CoC2 and that he apparently has an adequate penis. Such information was thrust upon me without my consent but there we go.
 

Deviton123

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I like to shit on the bulk of content written by Tobs but that doesn't really mean I hate the guy, it just means I think his content sucks donkey balls. I don't even know who these guys are, the only personal details I know about the writers/devs is that BubbleLord definitely, absolutely has a job that pays magnitudes higher than what he gets on writing for CoC2 and that he apparently has an adequate penis. Such information was thrust upon me without my consent but there we go.
Hold up what was that last bit of info?
 
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I'm not sure the general consensus of that Berwyn/Mathia poly stuff is. Maybe it's the only relationship of that fashion that isn't openly reviled here?
I refuse to do that quest until they port over Berwyn's old scenes so I personally don't have an opinion on it. Might change if that pregnancy rumor turns out true though.
I stand by what I said. I think it's foolish to project so much onto a PC that you can get genuinely upset and have actual grievances at the goings on within a porn game of all things. That doesn't mean I don't advocate for people having FEELINGS, that's a fucking absurd statement, but there is such a thing as being TOO attached and needing to take a step back and practice a bit of temperance.
This is such wish-washy post. We're allowed to have feelings but only ones you approve of? Should we also tell people who love the content and get excited about it to stop doing that because they're too invested? Or is it only negative feelings that need to be policed? Stop trying to moderate how people should feel. You're not as invested? Good for you. Got nothing to do with anybody else.
 

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I refuse to do that quest until they port over Berwyn's old scenes so I personally don't have an opinion on it. Might change if that pregnancy rumor turns out true though.
It is. B posted preview on Fenoxo forums.

 

Quintilus

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I stand by what I said. I think it's foolish to project so much onto a PC that you can get genuinely upset and have actual grievances at the goings on within a porn game of all things. That doesn't mean I don't advocate for people having FEELINGS, that's a fucking absurd statement, but there is such a thing as being TOO attached and needing to take a step back and practice a bit of temperance.
Lil bro, did you just forbid all kind of critique just because you felt like it?
 

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People are having a jolly good time taking the piss on them.
Can't deny, most of the critique I levy is done because the process of expressing my opinion is rather fun.

That doesn't mean I don't advocate for people having FEELINGS, that's a fucking absurd statement, but there is such a thing as being TOO attached and needing to take a step back and practice a bit of temperance.

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I don't think most people here stretch that threshold. The emotion of 'distaste' for things you dislike color your response. In the same way that horror games scare the socks off of me and games that don't scare the socks off of me are rather poor horror games indeed, erotic games that are designed to get your rocks off, failing to do just that, are a poor erotic game indeed.

And the feeling of both aspects is mild disappointment. Well major disappointment for a horror game as that's a 60 (soon to be 70 standard) USD investment for a poor product.

Or put another way. If you don't like it, you don't like it. And that's a valid emotion to feel and doesn't suddenly invalidate opinions based on that response.
Err... Within reason, that is. I'm assuming that nobody here is as unhinged as the facebook guy was towards the laughing emoji guy but you never know.
 
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Like I said, democracy happened...
Devs probably sent out a poll to delete, folks voted yes -> they just removed it...


BONUS:
Hell, if they added more characters in silly mode like this, I would be fine playing this piece of shit game.
And these guys are already a lot more fun and unique than the futa-fucking-naris in this game.
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The meds wore off, don't mind me.
This annoyed the mess out of me, all they had to do was stop making
mide Berwyn was made by a different writer called HugsAlright. Due to drama (devs say he would disappear and impossible to work with due to anger issues, Hugs says he had mental health issues and was unfairly booted), Berwyn was passed off to a different writer, B, to work on. B already had his own companion and it wasn't feasible for him to work on both, so as far as I know it was decided around then that they would eventually get rid of Berwyn as a companion but they decided not to tell the public that.

Fast forward to them announcing Berwyn getting new content via B. People who like Berwyn are excited. The content comes out and they announce that Berwyn is considered "feature complete" and will be removed from companion status and turned into an npc. When it launched, there was no way to access Berwyn's old scenes but devs have since said that the old ones will be patched back in.

The reasons for getting rid of Berywn were no dedicated writer for him (idk if B himself said it was too much or Savin didn't want B doing 2 companions), he had very little to no party/quest interactions (because they had decided before he was getting axed so writer's didn't bother?). B also decided to go gung-ho on all of different body configuration for Berwyn in his new content - because he knew he wouldn't have to deal with it once Berwyn got removed as a companion. So if there was ever any hope of someone else taking him up (which I doubt), now they have to deal with the various different parsers and ~more complicated code~ for Berwyn.

That's how it went down as far as I understand it. I have no idea what Raf-Raf is talking about with polls and such (they hid Berwyn getting axed from the public until the patch with his new content dropped), someone get him another cactus.
Damn, it's almost like all they had to do was just wrap up his content and leave him as is...
At least this is the only decision that has heavily irked me so far with this game, can't have everything go my way.
It's just fresh pain because I was late to do his quest and I've followed their games for years but don't really look at the polls, I assumed he was gonna be back in my party afterwards. Now I have to go out of my way to interact with my favorite character.
 

Tau_Iota

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BubbleLord definitely, absolutely has a job that pays magnitudes higher than what he gets on writing for CoC2 and that he apparently has an adequate penis. Such information was thrust upon me without my consent but there we go.

In seriousness though, does anyone know when Berwyn will get his old scenes back?
 

KouUrakiZX-2

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Damn, it's almost like all they had to do was just wrap up his content and leave him as is...
At least this is the only decision that has heavily irked me so far with this game, can't have everything go my way.
It's just fresh pain because I was late to do his quest and I've followed their games for years but don't really look at the polls, I assumed he was gonna be back in my party afterwards. Now I have to go out of my way to interact with my favorite character.
I'd actually like to understand why people like Berwyn so much. Never really much cared for him, and he sorely lacked in companion interactions, and from what I've read before, his only saving grace was the art done for him. I do think people dying on the Berwyn hill is a bit much, but I'd like to understand the reasons outside of him being a femboy/one of the few male companions.
 

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presumably it's never going to happen. IIRC the 'solution' was to not do the expansion. But this is old knowledge. Who knows what's changed internally.
Okay I was memeing before but
I'd actually like to understand why people like Berwyn so much. Never really much cared for him, and he sorely lacked in companion interactions, and from what I've read before, his only saving grace was the art done for him. I do think people dying on the Berwyn hill is a bit much, but I'd like to understand the reasons outside of him being a femboy/one of the few male companions.
My honest answer is I don't know. Something about him just clicked, if that makes sense. Also big-dicked femboys are easily S-Tier wdym? Nikol is easily my favorite part of Khor'Minos.
 

Walk Cycle

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Hold up what was that last bit of info?
Lmao, before people start thinking I think about BubbleLord's dick a lot. I'm referring to a screenshot posted here several months ago from the CoC2 Discord. Some guy was asking permission about writing an expac for one of Bubs characters, everyone in the server said "goodluck" for several reasons. One was because Bubs wasn't very active in the Discord because of his Super-Important-High-Paying-Job™. Two because Bubs was apparently writing an expac for the character the guy was asking for, so he should just wait for at least five or so years for it to finish. Three if Bubs is active in the server he only talks with the regulars and mostly talks about his Super-Important-High-Paying-Job™ and (I think the user only said it jokingly) his "adequate penis".

SUPER LATE EDIT: Turns out it's about some guy asking for FemHirrud
 
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Tau_Iota

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Lmao, (edited :WeSmart:) I think about BubbleLord's dick a lot. I'm referring to a screenshot posted here several months ago from the CoC2 Discord. Some guy was asking permission about writing an expac for one of Bubs characters, everyone in the server said "goodluck" for several reasons. One was because Bubs wasn't very active in the Discord because of his Super-Important-High-Paying-Job™. Two because Bubs was apparently writing an expac for the character the guy was asking for, so he should just wait for at least five or so years for it to finish. Three if Bubs is active in the server he only talks with the regulars and mostly talks about his Super-Important-High-Paying-Job™ and (I think the user only said it jokingly) his "adequate penis".
He LOVES BubbleLord's "adequate penis" it's ALL he thinks about.

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So I'm asking you, why are people allowed to feel strong emotions about one piece of media and not another? Does the fact that this is a roleplaying game exempt it from being allowed to cause people to feel certain ways? Are people not entitled to their opinions based on their own perception of them?
I stand by what I said. I think it's foolish to project so much onto a PC that you can get genuinely upset and have actual grievances at the goings on within a porn game of all things. That doesn't mean I don't advocate for people having FEELINGS, that's a fucking absurd statement, but there is such a thing as being TOO attached and needing to take a step back and practice a bit of temperance.
Honestly I think we are arguing over the wrong thing entirely. The issue isn't "This porn games causes a lot of emotions inside of me to the point of making me upset". Games are art. Even CoC2 is, technically, an artform, despite it not being a good game. The main issue is expectations, ability to think straight and see the game in a different light.

Here is a story from Fate/Grand Order, a gacha game that I am sure most people know because it makes a lot of porn. There was a player, who really simped for a character called Scathach (I mean, who wouldn't she looks hot as fuck). This player spend a lot of money to get her in the game, possibly too much money. However, this person was only doing so because he simped for her looks and the personality she has that suited his personal tastes. Here is the problem - upon getting the character, the player realized that she isn't a virgin. In fact, in her mythos (since characters in Fate are mythological/historical figures), she fucked her warrior pupils as a graduation gift or something. Upon learning that, the player literally deleted the character from his inventory because this waifu wasn't a pure maiden that they expected. The person's disappointment is silly. They expected a purity from a character who is not supposed to have it.

I mentioned how Cait being a whore set the tone of the game for me - sex is something casual, most people will fuck you if you ask and monogamy is rare, while polygamy is accepted. In fact, when Ryn appeared and I had to actually pay attention to her and her needs I was like "Jesus no, I don't want to have a CoC2 girlfriend/wife it's too much work if she needs something from me every few minutes".

It's great to get invested and gain strong feelings from a story. The opposite of love isn't hate - it's indifference and that's the worst feeling a story could evoke. But it's also important to realize what sort of story you are getting in. I wouldn't go into a game that says it's NTR and then cry it's NTR. CoC2 has a lot of sides (and sometimes NTR is one of them) so it's natural people get upset over bait and switches. At the same time, keeping the same tone, themes and consistency for an RPG is not only difficult, but can also result in the game being worse because the writers try to avoid emotions that might make the reader upset. CoC2 is on the opposite side of the spectrum, where it seems like sometimes writers WANT to upset you with X and Y (hello Tobs) and give you something you wish they didn't.

The important thing is to know the difference. Is the person complaining about something they dislike because
A) Their horny brain is upset the story didn't go into the route they wanted even if that route would make it more boring, shallow or even disgusting (I ain't fucking Kinu no matter how many people wish they could).
B) The thing that made them upset is poorly written, doesn't improve the story and sometimes makes it even worse. As example, someone isn't mad that X character is fucking Y character behind the door. They are upset that the relationship between X and Y is poorly written and them fucking is just making both characters seem worse.

It's also important to remember that even in a perfect story where case B doesn't exist, case A will always exist.
 
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