Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.24] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Wyrtyn]

I genuinely do not like any characters Savin writes. It's a power fantasy game where you wanna fuck everything that walks but his characters are so special in that they strip away any power from the main character. It's a total boner killer for me. The sad part is he writes decently, and his stories are engaging, it's just the characters that are completely unappealing to me. It's a shame that in a game about having as much sex as possible, his characters are the ones I usually draw a hard line on not wanting to fuck, just to avoid unpleasant feelings down the line. I'm not sure if it's due to insecurity (has many in this thread and even more in fenoxo forums seem to suggest) or it's genuinely just cuck content being unappealing in general to the masses and all he does is write those sort of scenes (which many in this thread also point to).

Let me just be clear, there is a place for cuck content, and I'm not trying to shame those who enjoy that content. All I ask is to make it completely avoidable. It's a fetish on the level of scat and guro in how extreme it is and I personally just want to not see it at all if possible. It's funny how rape is more avoidable in this game than cuck content, considering the first game.

And just to make sure I am defining "cuck content" properly since some here who think the Cait scenes aren't cuck content. It means having your power and agency stripped away and just standing in a scene as a passive observer, even if you get to keep fucking that character in other scenes. Voyerism, for people conflating the two, is actively seeking to see people have sex, cuck content is having sex witheld from you when you want it and stripping your power and agency and forcing you to observe a scene against your will, it's almost like a more emotional type of rape content. Many of Cait's scenes fall under that umbrella definition of cuck content, even if you disagree you can still see how others could feel that way. I don't feel strongly about having sluts in a game where everyone is sexually open (I loved Tamani in the original coc, as well as kelly, erika and erra in tits which are all slutty), but there is a difference from knowing someone is a slut and being exposed constantly to how much of a slut they are, especially when other scenes are more special and diverse than what you as the player are able to do at all.

I don't know where this idea came that in order for it to fall under cuck content, the character has to be in a relationship with the player. If a character keeps fucking others in front of me and telling me "others can have my cunt/ass/blowjob, but you can just stand there watching, even though you want it too, but don't worry, if I'm in the mood you get a turn too" that is literally cuckoldry, regardless of relationships and regardless of how slutty that character is.

I never understood why cucks are mad about being shamed. I thought humiliation was your thing dawg.

 

[SouthernHamster]

I never understood why cucks are mad about being shamed. I thought humiliation was your thing dawg.

I think they just don't want to recognize their fetishes for what they are. Like even for me it's hard to recognize I enjoy futa content.

 

[Comiies]

I never understood why cucks are mad about being shamed. I thought humiliation was your thing dawg.

"Its only ok when i fantasize about it!"

 

[M0nte]

I never understood why cucks are mad about being shamed. I thought humiliation was your thing dawg.

It's less shame and more annoyance at the idea that somehow enjoying chuck content makes you a lesser person.

No one likes being shamed for what they enjoy. Especially when their enjoyment isn't hurting anyone.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Knowing the cringe CoC could get up to, my mind went to full tears running the cheeks, piss running down the legs, begging the token slut to not fuck around. Isn't much far from the stuff with the futa ferret and the mouse girl. Kind of shit i will renounce before satan in my dying day.

It's not as cancerous as you think. Remember, CoC1 despite its faults is still leagues above CoC2 in terms of player agency.
For one, Hel actually stops fucking minotaurs after the Champion asks her to stop doing it.

 

[SouthernHamster]

My interpretation of the relationship between Savin and Fenoxo is that of 2 friends playing at employer/employee where Savin does a ton of shit and fucks around a lot instead of doing any meaningful work and Fenoxo just lets him cause he is scared of giving his best friend some reality checks (I know that if he really disliked Savin's ideas, they wouldn't be in the other games, I'm just drawing a funny comparison).

Another example is that of Fenoxo being the older sibling and being forced to share his toys with his younger sibling by their mom, and Savin always ending up either breaking his toys or using his lego sets to build completly random female model having sex with bulls when they were supposed to be building a star wars death star.

 

[The Permanent War Economy]

My interpretation of the relationship between Savin and Fenoxo is that of 2 friends playing at employer/employee where Savin does a ton of shit and fucks around a lot instead of doing any meaningful work and Fenoxo just lets him cause he is scared of giving his best friend some reality checks (I know that if he really disliked Savin's ideas, they wouldn't be in the other games, I'm just drawing a funny comparison).

Another example is that of Fenoxo being the older sibling and being forced to share his toys with his younger sibling by their mom, and Savin always ending up either breaking his toys or using his lego sets to build completly random female model having sex with bulls when they were supposed to be building a star wars death star.

Jessie what the fuck are you talking about

 

[Tsubuhaza]

(snip)

Eh?

It's probably just business, man. Game's patreon pays well, they've got a comfy audience. Probably would've made more if Savin wasn't as abrasive but I guess it's good enough.

 

[Comiies]

My interpretation of the relationship between Savin and Fenoxo is that of 2 friends playing at employer/employee where Savin does a ton of shit and fucks around a lot instead of doing any meaningful work and Fenoxo just lets him cause he is scared of giving his best friend some reality checks (I know that if he really disliked Savin's ideas, they wouldn't be in the other games, I'm just drawing a funny comparison).

Another example is that of Fenoxo being the older sibling and being forced to share his toys with his younger sibling by their mom, and Savin always ending up either breaking his toys or using his lego sets to build completly random female model having sex with bulls when they were supposed to be building a star wars death star.

Bro i wrote better fanfic when i was in middle school.Wtf is this?

 

[icecreamman99]

It's less shame and more annoyance at the idea that somehow enjoying chuck content makes you a lesser person.

No one likes being shamed for what they enjoy. Especially when their enjoyment isn't hurting anyone.

i will continue the shame the shit out out of those that like shit, those that fuck dead things and a few others

 

[Deviton123]

I hope I don't get too old to the point my dick ain't working no more to see the day when this game is "finished" that there are modders spiteful enough to mod the game in a way Savin and TOBs are gonna hate. One thing I'd like to add for the TOBs bit is a "shut the fuck up" button whenever a scene he wrote occurs, immediately skipping all of it and getting the best result.

 

[DerekMook9006]

I too wonder about that. Now don't get me wrong; I know CoC and TiTS are helmed by a bunch of hacks who often can't write their way out of a paper bag and who employ artists who seem to worship ugliness, but how is Cait any different than the murderer's row of other made-for-porn characters across the games? At least in CoC2, the forefront NPC isn't a fucking dickgirl like Urta or a parody of debauchery like Anno.
In defense of Cait, her slaternly ways are explained by the whole Mallachite thing.

With Urta, she's a NPC for a city to guard that you can quickly reject or accept to be in a relationship with. The only issue people have with Urta is the threesome scene with Amily. Anno mentions that she enjoys poly relationships along with Kaede, who she wants to marry and is just a companion that you can keep or evict. The point is these two are characters that you can either accept and fuck around or ignore them and have little to no impact to the story or gameplay.

Sadly with Cait, she's written to be a supporting character, if not, one of the main characters of CoC2 because of her missing sister. There's many alternate text and dialogs in the game based around Cait and her search of her sister and people playing the game with her as a companion could end up seeing texts that mentions her wanting to freaky with other NPCs will get annoyed. And the fact when you try to start having a relationship with Cait, she mentions she still wants to fuck other NPCs and is saving her anal virginity for you makes it worse. If they have try to make Cait be more like Anno, players wouldn't have much of a problem with her.

 

[SouthernHamster]

Jessie what the fuck are you talking about

Bro i wrote better fanfic when i was in middle school.Wtf is this?

Eh?

It's probably just business, man. Game's patreon pays well, they've got a comfy audience. Probably would've made more if Savin wasn't as abrasive but I guess it's good enough.

Relax, I was just making analogies. It feels like Savin's work detracts from the experience, but is tolerated by his peers.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

I hope I don't get too old to the point my dick ain't working no more to see the day when this game is "finished" that there are modders spiteful enough to mod the game in a way Savin and TOBs are gonna hate. One thing I'd like to add for the TOBs bit is a "shut the fuck up" button whenever a scene he wrote occurs, immediately skipping all of it and getting the best result.

Well, congrats. You outlasted Fenoxo. His dick actually died a couple years ago.

 

[Bloep]

People here judging others for cooming to weird porn is the biggest instance of irony i've seen in a while.
You all realise we are playing a game where our main rival is a futa succubus with a 20 inch black horsecock, right?

 

[icecreamman99]

Yup and i find most characters that are like that to be ridiculous. If a characters dick is bigger than their forearm they just look like a joke to me, same with characters cumming truly insane amounts, like how they cumming more cum than their body size space would take up

Is that weird? hell yeah
is it worth shamming? no... unless they try to convince me that it's normal

 

[YouShallNotLol]

People here judging others for cooming to weird porn is the biggest instance of irony i've seen in a while.
You all realise we are playing a game where our main rival is a futa succubus with a 20 inch black horsecock, right?

That's the best part.

 

[Comiies]

People here judging others for cooming to weird porn is the biggest instance of irony i've seen in a while.
You all realise we are playing a game where our main rival is a futa succubus with a 20 inch black horsecock, right?

That,eve and dryads are the only reasons i keep playing this game man.

 

[Wyrtyn]

With Urta, she's a NPC for a city to guard that you can quickly reject or accept to be in a relationship with. The only issue people have with Urta is the threesome scene with Amily. Anno mentions that she enjoys poly relationships along with Kaede, who she wants to marry and is just a companion that you can keep or evict. The point is these two are characters that you can either accept and fuck around or ignore them and have little to no impact to the story or gameplay.

Sadly with Cait, she's written to be a supporting character, if not, one of the main characters of CoC2 because of her missing sister. There's many alternate text and dialogs in the game based around Cait and her search of her sister and people playing the game with her as a companion could end up seeing texts that mentions her wanting to freaky with other NPCs will get annoyed. And the fact when you try to start having a relationship with Cait, she mentions she still wants to fuck other NPCs and is saving her anal virginity for you makes it worse. If they have try to make Cait be more like Anno, players wouldn't have much of a problem with her.

I think coc2 and tits differ in the role of the PC and this has been talked to death and i don't know what sort of dementia causes us to still talk about this. In tits you got the freedom to go where you want and do what you want sorta. Outside being a broke bitch often, you get to sorta play as an interplanetary playboy/girl fuckboi/girl. In CoC2 it feels borderline wrong to not have cait in the party. She has way more connection to any story beat than you and is mechanically borderline necessary given her skills. And the fantasy is unclear. You are mostly reacting to what your enemy does or doing what cait's or rin's story needs or whatever. It's very unclear what fundamental fantasy fulfillment is it other than being like brock from pokemon. You certainly got no motivation and it's unclear what your skin in the game is other than "saving the world" which is imo incredibly lazy motivation.

 

[Mekkor]

I think TiTs and CoC2 differ in the fact that your motivation as to why you keep pushing can change, lore wise.
in TiTs you're heir to a company with intergalactic reach and influence but need to prove yourself to your dead dad through a probe hunt across the galaxy first. Wealth, influence, power - all things wraped up in a neat package, a clear goal and the way to get there in front of us. Easy to get behind.

CoC2 starts similary with a clear motivational goal. You, a young adventurer, set out for fame and fortunes yet unclaimed, stumble into the most le epic adventure there is - save the world. And we've got it all: love, murder, intrigue, demons, gods, cosmic horrors, SEX! Be a hero, stop the demons from corrupting everything and get your genitals wet while doing so.
And the thing is: you can keep it that way. You can stay "pure" and good, do the "correct" choices and continue to fight Kasyrra and her followers. You thwart plans, stop shemes, amass followers/comrades/people who owe you big time, meet gods, rebuild the ruin you call a base and generally just stalk Kas with a vengance. Because that bitch wants your soul and what better excuse to start swinging your weapon of choice around then when a demon out for your (and everyone elses') ass starts flinging shit around.

Or your motivation can change/evolve. Yes, Kas wants to rip out your soul and, quote "fuck the hole it left behind", but she's not so bad. Sure, there's rampaging demons, imps and fanatic followers everywhere she goes, she shapeshifts, deciets and lies to spread her corruption and that stunt with the portal in Wintercity was a bit of a bitch move, but can you really blame her? That poor soul- eh, demon is trying so hard to fight her nature, find a way out of its destructive cycle, get back in touch with her daughters and generally not turn this world into Mareth 2.0. Also, it's hard to say no to 30 inches of horsecock.
So you can come to the conclusion that the real bad guy was Tollus all along and join forces with Kasyrra, have a generally more lenient approach to dealing with or even employing demons and start a romantic relationship with Kas.
Your goal kinda stays the same: do the adventure thing to save the world. But now its also that if this lets you keep your soul and fuck the otherworldly demon, then all the better.

But here's the catch: While we can do this all to some extend, the lore of the world is so goddamn fucked. The power balance makes no sense.
Kasyrra is canonically one of the, if not the strongest demon from another world who rips space and time apart to conquer worlds, starting with yours, but it gets noted that even she has to be cautious or a god might smite her down. Those same gods just casually interact and walk among mortals, yet somehow get stopped by the most mundane shit. Tollus who somehow amasses armies worth of demons and cultist followers just strolls around with literally nobody either noticing or stopping that bitchboi for literal centuries. There's creatures the size of buildings, the combined rage of a wronged generation in ghost form, the equivalent of the shadow realm with sentience and more.
And then you arrive: a random fuckwit who was at the wrong place at the worng time, somehow besting demons, eldritch horrors and gods with nothing but a piece of scrap metal in the shape of a sword.
The whole premise sounds good in theory but the fleshed out version is just a jumble fuck of deus ex machina ass-pulls, plot holes and "somehow palpatine returned" shit.
TiTs keeps it consistent - you're strong but not immortal. Yes, you fight a dragon, a rouge AI or a bee-operated tank but the universe still makes sense. You make up for your limitations with technology, wit and luck - and even then you can just die if you're not careful enough. The dragon eats you, the rouge AI enslaves you, the bee-operated tank drives you over. In CoC2 nothing explains how your average, mortal ass punches a being of ethereal energy into submission yet somehow you lose when a sentient mushroom with tits looks at you the wrong way.