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Quintilus

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A concept like conversation battles was never going to work for a game like this, it's at odds with what the devs want to do.
'For a game like this' or 'for this game'? Because for a porn games it works. Mentioned million times Lilith Throne sex system is a 'conversation battle' on some level. Even just for ordinary games it works, as were proved by all text adventures from 80s.

Even something as simple as the Master dialogue at the end of Fallout 1 was set up earlier and required you to go out of your way to do. It rewarded players who explored and got invested in the world.
Could work without even without exploration, if game tells you current mood/reaction of a NPC on players shit.

Player: *casually approach NPC*
Player: 'Hey, you heard?? John died from suconda?'
NPC: *mourning face* 'OH NO....' *confused face* 'Whats succonda?'
Player: 'SUCCONDEEZNUTS!!!! GOT`EM, HA!!!!!'
NPC: *facepalms, looks like you now unable to interact with this NPC*

There are should be battle like system for dialogues, which would track whats going on, to direct conversation to one of the possible outcomes. Tobsed battle, which was the beginning of this discussion, have only two outcomes, good and bad. There are no 'liberation of female salamander' or 'liberation of male salamander' or 'obtaining skill-steal only', only everything or nothing.
*obligatory 'why tobs is a writer?' question*
 

Biostar

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So, there are scenes with Brienne and Rina.
Are there Scenes with one of them, together with Cassia?
I felt like that should've been a thing but couldn't find any.
None, they avoid parentxchild incest but are okay with sibling incest because of Patreon for some inane reason.
 

throbzombie

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But he wants to top men, which is gay. Which is entirely opposite of what your comment alludes to. You are giving him tips how to make the game less gay, which is hard to do without removing all remaining guys.
Okay, I think the problem is that I used the rhetorical "you" in the second sentence. I was making a crack, not giving Derek advice on how to make the game less gay.
 
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Wrynn13

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One of the few things Tobs does I do like in this game is he still has scenes were your stats and/or class do matter. I wish more of the writers did that same honestly. Hell he writes stuff where it matters which companions you have with you even. Give him all shit the shit in the world deservedly for hitting you with wall of text after wall of text but occasionally his broken clock does do something right.
 

Quintilus

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One of the few things Tobs does I do like in this game is he still has scenes were your stats and/or class do matter. I wish more of the writers did that same honestly. Hell he writes stuff where it matters which companions you have with you even. Give him all shit the shit in the world deservedly for hitting you with wall of text after wall of text but occasionally his broken clock does do something right.
I still vote for beating him with a towel with soap inside.
 

Daekas

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None, they avoid parentxchild incest but are okay with sibling incest because of Patreon for some inane reason.
That makes so little sense.. Incest is incest, right?
How come patreon's fine with you dicking down your sister, for example, but not 'yer mum?
 
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Alterism

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Shame conversation battles got completely dropped after this.
They weren't particularly good and doubling down on a poorly executed concept is a bad idea. Most of the puzzles aren't good.

Wordlock Chests
The few riddles for the word lock chest's they don't just rip wholesale out of well known ones end up being;

While yes you can intuit the answer just by seeing the letters this reads like rubbish and depending on how lateral your thinking gets has multiple valid answers.

It's a paraphrased version of the more proper riddle "Almost everyone needs it, asks for it, gives it. But almost nobody takes it."
And an odd thing that basically every culture we've stumbled across from before the wraith war to ancient elves, druids, lupines, and minotaurs all use these same boxes.

The most egregious thing about these dumb chests are that they're used in place of descriptions. You pull actual items of power 8/10 you see that chest and nobody says anything about them. Things that could be attached to much more suitable methods of acquisition just aren't.

Gem puzzles
"Ruby is adjacent to amatehyst but beneath topaz".

Terrific. Outstanding.


Conversation Battles
There are many games that have done this concept right. This is not one of them. There's nothing you take into the conversation and no clues you collect beforehand. They exist to have exposition thrown at you and then a quiz at the end to make sure you were paying attention. This also isn't that kind of game.


like puzzles but I've got my limits on both extremes. Too easy and I wonder why it was even attempted. Too difficult and I'll "In here is a tragedy~" myself into an early grave. TiTS is in a similar position where periodically you play Lights Out. I hate Lights Out. Though in tits it's a metaphor for hacking, neither of these examples are a mentally stimulating or enjoyable endeavor.

At the very least, they could not just reuse puzzles. But I get that it's easy to do so when the framework has already been made. It'd take serious effort to continue to be creative on that part. The one time they did try we got that rather awful lever puzzle. I hate binary chop puzzles.

That makes so little sense.. Incest is incest, right?
How come patreon's fine with you dicking down your sister, for example, but not 'yer mum?
The real answer is that they're toeing the line as is. Their experience with TiTS frostwyrms in regards to Patreon has given them the knowledge that that kind of incest is no good. They probably know where they can push and be fine.

...However, they also erased a bunch of Shade x Steele stuff and I vaguely remember it being stated that that's why Anno x Syri wasn't going to happen.
At any rate, they seem fine with Patreon with only this much and we know from experience that going further than this has lead to problems. So~
 

throbzombie

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That makes so little sense.. Incest is incest, right?
How come patreon's fine with you dicking down your sister, for example, but not 'yer mum?
IIRC they instituted that policy in line with EU law, so you can blame the legislators for this one.
 

Warphorror

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IIRC they instituted that policy in line with EU law, so you can blame the legislators for this one.
That's a law that protect children from abusive parents. There is no other reasons to make it illegal than to protect the vulnerables from the abusers.
 

Biostar

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...However, they also erased a bunch of Shade x Steele stuff and I vaguely remember it being stated that that's why Anno x Syri wasn't going to happen.
SyrixAnno did happen though. And Shade is still treated as your sister.
 

Alterism

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SyrixAnno did happen though. And Shade is still treated as your sister.
Sort of. You kind of bang the two of them. Syri doesn't bang anno or whatever that original plan was. Right? Can't remember.

Quick question can you get more than 2 dicks?
Technically yes with the bushel. But I don't believe there's a single scene that accounts for more than two. Which is a shame. Really liked those tentacle scenes that like half of the NPCs had in CoC1.
 

throbzombie

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That's a law that protect children from abusive parents. There is no other reasons to make it illegal than to protect the vulnerables from the abusers.
That's just what I heard. Apparently, the payment processors were threatening to pull out and didn't really care whether it was fictional.
SyrixAnno did happen though. And Shade is still treated as your sister.
Yeah, I dunno why they're going with these schizo half-measures, but half-measures are certainly preferable too full measures when no measures aren't an option.
 

Pandect

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There are should be battle like system for dialogues, which would track whats going on, to direct conversation to one of the possible outcomes. Tobsed battle, which was the beginning of this discussion, have only two outcomes, good and bad. There are no 'liberation of female salamander' or 'liberation of male salamander' or 'obtaining skill-steal only', only everything or nothing.
*obligatory 'why tobs is a writer?' question*
I liked the way Oblivion did it, sure it was simple but it worked, Deus Ex:HR had an okay system too
 

GokutheG

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Speaking of stupid shit, why is there no option to slit Kas's throat while she sleeps after you're done fucking her? Seems like a real simple way of ending this conflict and the fact that there isn't even an explanation of why we don't makes the MC look like someone who doesn't care about the thousands of lives she's ruining.
Are you talking about after sleeping with her in the dream palace that she has? If you are than the reason the MC doesn't is because she's considered an li at that point. I think from a story perspective the mc still wants to stop her chaos but without killing her.
 

raygha

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Can anyone share their save files? it doesn't have to be that far ahead I just don't want to redo all over again from scratch. I lost my save files because I didn't do backup (yes I'm stupid) preferably when Protagonist and co already reach Khor'minos.
 

MoneyMan181

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Are you talking about after sleeping with her in the dream palace that she has? If you are than the reason the MC doesn't is because she's considered an li at that point. I think from a story perspective the mc still wants to stop her chaos but without killing her.
Alright but my immersion is kinda ruined when there isn't even a grayed out option for it. Wanting to do something and needing to do something are two very different things, and many MCs would feel like they have to stop her at any cost even if they have feelings for her.
 
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