Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.27] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[NaturalEnclave]

Honestly, writing NTR content for this game is... well, probably complex. Forcing writers to write content they do not enjoy screams disaster and hiring someone else to write NTR content for character made by a different writer itself could be considered as a parallel to NTR.

Then there is another issue which is what sort of NTR do we even go for? Do people want to steal characters out of bad character's reach? Or be the asshole who steals cute girl from some beta-male? Being an RPG, it's fair to have both of those types, but, well, I'd say it clashes with the tone? I dunno. And that's not even mentioning that some people like to enjoy NTR from the cuckhold perspective and enjoy the aspect of their love interest being fucked by other people. Or girls that want to be stoled by Gigachads or even Ugly Bastards.

I feel like writing NTR is difficult because not only is it a genre that is very divisive, but that it's easy to miss when writing one. I've seen people complain and argue about different stories being NTR or not. It's not just the character and their relationships - it's the framing and leaning into different types that really matters.

 

[Skandranon]

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Ehh....that doesn't really qualify as NTR, imo, but then we'd get into a long winded discussion of what NTR is, and that's always boring.

I will say that defeat sex is on a fundamentally different wavelength than the stuff we're talking about, I think.

 

[M0nte]

Do people want to steal characters out of bad character's reach? Or be the asshole who steals cute girl from some beta-male?

Yes.
Dude, If I could play mister/missus steal your guy/girl, I would do it without considering moral implications...
Kek, you all gave me an idea.

 

[Amnelis]

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For my male Champion playthrough I'd prefer B with my character as top. I'd like something of a struggle for dominance with a character with a Garret-like attitude. With time the relationship would evolve to be more of a bro-ish friendship but not as outwardly cheerful as Brint. I guess a good way to put it would be a Conan the Barbarian esque character making a unlikely alliance with another big brooding guy ending up in lots of angry gay sex. Maybe a gender bent Arona whole never turns into a full blown sub could fulfill this role.

My main playthrough is with a female champion & for that I honestly would be happy with just more Brint content. Second would be Garret, as much as I prefer Brint overall (specially for the amount of content) he really hits the spot of a dickish dom. I'd like to have more interactions with him though, specially concerning he & my character having a bunch of kids together. Now for Quin I don't dislike him, I like his appearance, attitude & scenes but he could have easily been a regular NPC rather than a companion. I remember their document posted right after the first CoC2 release that made a big deal about no "bubble companions" yet here we are.

For all its flaws I find the content for players who are into male characters to be miles ahead in CoC2 compared to the first one. For the male NPCs my favorites are Argoth, Rroljar, Elyon & the Minotaur miners. I do wish we had more major male npcs with very involved relationships/marriage like the centaur & the mare princesses. In the centaur's case her father is right there, it's criminal he has no scenes. Editing since I forgot to mention, but a Kyioko style pregancy ending with the birth of a named NPC from the mother's perspective would be much appreciated.

 

[MoneyMan181]

There aren't any actual NTR scenes in the game that I'm aware of.

Azzy/Liaden is optional, most of Caits scenes are optional, lots of stuff is optional and people get real mad anyway.

He'll, I'd like to see Brienne in more threesomes, or more companions in outside relationships like Azzy, but it's not gonna happen because the audience is kinda touchy about certain things.

Arona, Hashat(If ryn's libido is high enough), Mushroom lady by the mare village, and the marefolk shaman all have NTR scenes. They straight up have sex with your lover right in front of you without your approval and there is no warning for all but one of them. Arona's is a little debatable because it's with cait but I'd say it still applies due to the humiliating tone of the scene.

In response to Azzy/Lian: I'd say it's only fair to be upset about Azzy/Liaden. There are no hints they're going to be a thing and when it happens, they just straight up keep you out of it without even giving it a try. Obviously it's not like you two were in a relationship, but it still feels dirty that it happened the way it did. I liked Azzy a lot and it just feels terrible when you like a character and they just go out with somebody else out of the blue while keeping you out of it completely. I would have been fine with it if they actually developed their relationship and at least attempted to try and include the PC at one point. As is, the PC feels secondary to Azzy and they just didn't really have to do that.

I don't think people are upset about the premise, it's just that the delivery was not great. Also with them, you have to deal with those scenes if Azzy is a companion, whether you like it or not. The whole stealing route you wouldn't even have to see beyond a choice. Not really comparable imo.

Honestly, writing NTR content for this game is... well, probably complex. Forcing writers to write content they do not enjoy screams disaster and hiring someone else to write NTR content for character made by a different writer itself could be considered as a parallel to NTR.

Then there is another issue which is what sort of NTR do we even go for? Do people want to steal characters out of bad character's reach? Or be the asshole who steals cute girl from some beta-male? Being an RPG, it's fair to have both of those types, but, well, I'd say it clashes with the tone? I dunno. And that's not even mentioning that some people like to enjoy NTR from the cuckhold perspective and enjoy the aspect of their love interest being fucked by other people. Or girls that want to be stoled by Gigachads or even Ugly Bastards.

I feel like writing NTR is difficult because not only is it a genre that is very divisive, but that it's easy to miss when writing one. I've seen people complain and argue about different stories being NTR or not. It's not just the character and their relationships - it's the framing and leaning into different types that really matters.

I think when people say "steal", they don't mean actual NTR where you have sex in front of their SO. Moreso just cheating and potentially having them like you more than their lover. Or at least that's what I mean. I don't actually want to be a homewrecker when it comes to Gweyr, I just wanna fuck big wolf momma, cheating or not. I think it could work fine and fit the game's tone as long as they don't try and make it humiliating for any party. Beatrice from TiTS was cheating and I liked her content more than 90% of characters in that game. For her they just made it a small thing to spice things up without putting a ton of emphasis on the cheating. If it's done like that, I think it would fit the tone of the game and not be so divisive.

 

[NaturalEnclave]

I don't actually want to be a homewrecker when it comes to Gweyr, I just wanna fuck big wolf momma, cheating or not. I think it could work fine and fit the game's tone as long as they don't try and make it humiliating for any party.

Yeah, that is probably how it should have been done, but I feel like the NTR thing sort of hijacks the concept.
<Horny for Big Wolf Child Killer Momma
<Want to fuck her, but no sex scenes
>No sex cause she is married
<Since when this is an obstacle?
>It would be NTR and we don't want that
<Just don't make it feel like NTR
>No, cause it would upset players who want NTR.

Cause mark my words, if they ever change their mind on Gweyr - there will be people upset that it ain't done in the way they want. Cause even releasing a non-fuckable character in the game due to marriage raises those questions. Once you bring this topic or even imply that marriage is the reason for lack of sex scenes - you would attract NTR Crowd that would want those scenes to exist in a specific flavor of NTR they prefer.

Which is why I am more surprised that characters like Gweyr (or Kinu) exist. You cannot put them in a porn game without sex scenes and expect people to take it without having issues. To me it would be like... I dunno, putting like, several fantasy-esque beasts into the game none of which are fuckable - you are dooming yourself to get an upset bestiality community.

 

[Konstantinus]

n response to Azzy/Lian: I'd say it's only fair to be upset about Azzy/Liaden. There are no hints they're going to be a thing and when it happens, they just straight up keep you out of it without even giving it a try. Obviously it's not like you two were in a relationship, but it still feels dirty that it happened the way it did. I liked Azzy a lot and it just feels terrible when you like a character and they just go out with somebody else out of the blue while keeping you out of it completely. I would have been fine with it if they actually developed their relationship and at least attempted to try and include the PC at one point. As is, the PC feels secondary to Azzy and they just didn't really have to do that.

Did you help her set up with Liaden? (I actually just realize she is a cheap WoW knock-off)
Because in my game I refused to help until the option whas patched in to tell her that you will not help her where she says she thought you thought similar like how she growed up that it is normal that you have flings with different people but if you are unconfortable with it she will not do it as she does not want to do anything that you do not like.
And I have never seen her having a thing with Liaden afterwards so maybe just say that you do not want to help her date other people?

Which is why I am more surprised that characters like Gweyr (or Kinu) exist. You cannot put them in a porn game without sex scenes and expect people to take it without having issues. To me it would be like... I dunno, putting like, several fantasy-esque beasts into the game none of which are fuckable - you are dooming yourself to get an upset bestiality community.

My problem with Kinu is not actually that she is not sexable. That is something I can understand would be the reason that you do not want to enable to fuck your own children as you (the writer) is not confortable.
My problem is actually that this is done out of spite and that the guy she marries is actually an asshole that does not respect you.

 

[Wrynn13]

I thought they fixed the Azzy/Lian thing so if you say you mind she drops it? I know playing a female character they absolutely do include you in things after Azzy softens her up for multiple partners.

 

[Skandranon]

Arona, Hashat(If ryn's libido is high enough), Mushroom lady by the mare village, and the marefolk shaman all have NTR scenes. They straight up have sex with your lover right in front of you without your approval and there is no warning for all but one of them.

Without getting too deep into he "is this NTR" debate, I think defeat sex is fundamentally different than what we're talking about. A single scene with sex is very different than intentionally breaking in on an established relationship. The presence of one doesn't really excuse the other.

Azzy

Azzy/Liaden doesn't happen if you don't help her. And you never saw any scenes if you didn't hang around and watch them even when it was first implemented as far as I remember.

Regardless, my point isn't to talk about whether being upset over it was "fair" or not, I doubt we'd agree on that. My point was simply that content can taint people's view of a character just by existing.

I think when people say "steal", they don't mean actual NTR where you have sex in front of their SO. Moreso just cheating and potentially having them like you more than their lover.

That's also what I mean, thats what NTR is. Having sex im fromt of a lover isnt really required. That's the kind of thing that's going to negatively color perceptions of a character. It's like Wsan mentioned he doesn't want Brienne in certain situations, because they would taint people view of the characters. Look through this very thread for many, many examples of the same.

Beatrice from TiTS was cheating and I liked her content more than 90% of characters in that game.

Interestingly enough, she actually wasn't. Like most things in TiTs, that content wasn't finished. There are two pseudo cheating characters in TiTs (Beatrice and that one traveling doctor chick) and neither of them are actually cheating.

They were created specifically to give off that feeling without actually doing it, specifically to get around what we've been talking about here.

 

[MoneyMan181]

Without getting too deep into he "is this NTR" debate, I think defeat sex is fundamentally different than what we're talking about. A single scene with sex is very different than intentionally breaking in on an established relationship. The presence of one doesn't really excuse the other.

I don't see how just because it's defeat sex, it's not NTR. Whatever, call it cuckold sex then, it's still just as disliked.

Azzy/Liaden doesn't happen if you don't help her. And you never saw any scenes if you didn't hang around and watch them even when it was first implemented as far as I remember.

Regardless, my point isn't to talk about whether being upset over it was "fair" or not, I doubt we'd agree on that. My point was simply that content can taint people's view of a character just by existing.

They will be upset for maybe 10 seconds and then move on if it is something as simple as a choice. You can say people will be upset about basically any content. People in this thread are upset about futa, kitsune, Quinn, Gweyr, etc. The lack of an option can also upset people, as is usually brought up when talking about kitsune content.

Pretty sure you said earlier people will be upset for almost any content that gets added. Even if that wasn't you, it's a true a statement as any. Don't see how this would be any different.

That's also what I mean, thats what NTR is. Having sex im fromt of a lover isnt really required. That's the kind of thing that's going to negatively color perceptions of a character. It's like Wsan mentioned he doesn't want Brienne in certain situations, because they would taint people view of the characters. Look through this very thread for many, many examples of the same.

NTR is not just cheating sex. NTR is rooted in humiliation, jealousy, and usually(not always) corruption of the girl/boy. If a lover has no idea they are being cheated on, there's no humiliation or jealousy to go off of. Thus, it isn't NTR. If the PC were to fuck Gweyr in her cave with absolutely no discussion about Garth, it wouldn't be NTR. Just plain old cheating sex.

Brienne is a beloved character and even if you don't have sex with her, she's still likable enough. I doubt the same can be said about Gweyr, especially because you barely get to spend time with her and the time you do, she's very gruff and cold. So would some people care that much about her they view her in a more negative light now? Maybe, but the number isn't going to be nearly as high as most characters and people won't care nearly as much I'd say.

Interestingly enough, she actually wasn't. Like most things in TiTs, that content wasn't finished. There are two pseudo cheating characters in TiTs (Beatrice and that one traveling doctor chick) and neither of them are actually cheating.

They were created specifically to give off that feeling without actually doing it, specifically to get around what we've been talking about here.

Well then if all you know is that they have husbands and they have sex with you anyway, it's... still cheating. As far as I remember, there's nothing that happens or is said that doesn't make it infidelity. Doesn't matter if content was planned for it to be that way, what we got is what we got. Which again, as far as I can remember, is just straight up cheating sex.

 

[Skandranon]

Pretty sure you said earlier people will be upset for almost any content that gets added. Even if that wasn't you, it's a true a statement as any. Don't see how this would be any different.

Eh, I'm just pretty sure it would cause a bigger stir than some other things would. I could be wrong.

NTR is not just cheating sex. NTR is rooted in humiliation, jealousy, and usually(not always) corruption of the girl/boy. If a lover has no idea they are being cheated on, there's no humiliation or jealousy to go off of. Thus, it isn't NTR.

This, however, isn't really true. There are lots and lots of NTR doujin where the one being NTRed on never finds out.

 

[mrttao]

NTR is not just cheating sex. NTR is rooted in humiliation, jealousy, and usually(not always) corruption of the girl/boy.

As much as I am tempted to argue, this is not the place to argue the japanese dictionary definition of NTR...
I will however point out that F95 does not use the japanese dictionary definition. it has its own definition here:
https://f95zone.to/threads/tags-rules-and-list-updated-2021-05-02.10394/

 

[MoneyMan181]

This, however, isn't really true. There are lots and lots of NTR doujin where the one being cheated on never finds out.

Sorry, misspoke. What I meant to say is that if there are no comparisons or belittling of the SO that isn't involved. It's a bit hard to describe but hopefully that does it justice.

NTR has a pretty vague definition, but I still stand by that if nothing is being said or thought about the uninvolved SO, it's not really NTR.

Eh, I'm just pretty sure it would cause a bigger stir than some other things would. I could be wrong.

It can't possibly be worse than Kitsune content so there's that.

 

[arls120]

I think the main reason why there will never be sexual content from Gweyr is not exactly because they don't want to write NTR but rather that if Savin allowed that content Gweyr would have no reason to reject garth's sexual content and he is totally determined to garth never having that kind of content.

 

[Wrynn13]

The main drawback to Gweyr sex scenes is it would be written by Tobs. Do we really want a dissertation on how superior she is to the PC with a little smut sprinkled in? Not to mention it would almost certainly be Femdomme content and even if you like that who wants to be dommed by a psycopath?

 

[MoneyMan181]

The main drawback to Gweyr sex scenes is it would be written by Tobs. Do we really want a dissertation on how superior she is to the PC with a little smut sprinkled in?

Holy shit I forgot about that. Nevermind, I no longer want Gweyr sex. For the love of god spare me from his sex scenes that are incredibly long, boring, and not hot.

Somehow he made Nihara, who is EXACTLY up my alley, boring and a bit forgettable. How I could say that about a character with an amazon press sex scene is beyond me, but he's managed it somehow.

Not to mention it would almost certainly be Femdomme content and even if you like that who wants to be dommed by a psycopath?

I mean... yanderes are a thing lmao

 

[crapfest]

I wonder, would a semi‐voyeuristic scene of Gweyr getting some action with her hubby be up anybody’s alley? Perhaps something like a friendly side‐by‐side competition between <CHARNAME>×companion and Gweyr×hubby? Would make a nice follow‐up to a heartfelt reunion between those two and would keep them “pure.”

 

[MoneyMan181]

I wonder, would a semi‐voyeuristic scene of Gweyr getting some action with her hubby be up anybody’s alley? Perhaps something like a friendly side‐by‐side competition between <CHARNAME>×companion and Gweyr×hubby? Would make a nice follow‐up to a heartfelt reunion between those two and would keep them “pure.”

Oh yeah, top of my list in things I hope get added to the game is watching Garth's beer belly flop around while he's getting pegged by his wife.

Seriously though, no. Maybe if Garth was a bro like Brint or someone the PC could actually call a friend, but he just gives you a free room in the Inn and that's about how friendly he gets. I feel like it'd be weird and awkward to see them like that, especially because they're not the friendliest pair around. I doubt Garth is into sharing his wife right after not seeing her much the past 20 years, anyway. Maybe it appeals to someone else though, I'm just really selfish and want the girl all to myself

 

[Raf-Raf]

I wonder, would a semi‐voyeuristic scene of Gweyr getting some action with her hubby be up anybody’s alley? Perhaps something like a friendly side‐by‐side competition between <CHARNAME>×companion and Gweyr×hubby? Would make a nice follow‐up to a heartfelt reunion between those two and would keep them “pure.”

Ah yes, heartfelt.
Put the guy who gave up on his own wife 'coz it's a better situation for his own narrative and give him some sweet "heartfelt" time with his wife.

'Coz that really is a warm moment, reuniting the husband who would let his own wife die than correct his own family problem with his own hands and instead leave it to us to do the damn thing.

Great idea there.

 

[Boardguy]

'Coz that really is a warm moment, reuniting the husband who would let his own wife die than correct his own family problem with his own hands and instead leave it to us to do the damn thing.

Can't really correct anything after the shit Gweyr pulled. They are really fortunate that parents of the kids she murdered made n;t attempt any retaliatory actions against the softer targets.