Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.28] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Alterism]

Ok this is like the 5th time I've mentioned this but does anyone else feel like the ashlander is suboptimal after receiving clowdforger. It's super lame for the only sentient weapon in the game. On the other hand the clowdforger is supposed to be a forging hammer not a war hammer and also one used by dragons to make legendary weapons. It would be great if they gave the option to use it to reforge the ashlander into a better weapon. They could even give the option to turn it into different weapon types depending on the playstyle. I think it would be really cool and would make complete sense with the lore. What do you think about this?

Conceptually they're a bit different in use.
Cloudforger is

• Heavy (so an initiative penalty unless warrior)
• More for spell blades due to spell power and spell pen
• Two handed

Ashelander is

• Not heavy
• Has accuracy (in a game where dumping agility means you miss most of your attack)
• Has some sexiness
• Non light (can't be dual wielded)

Honestly, the 5 sexiness is both the most noteworthy and potentially good thing while also the most awkward part about the weapon. Tease is overpowered. But 5 sexiness is nothing. You have to go a warrior/charmer hybrid thing to take advantage of it, and it also works with the pyromancer set. But, for pure tease enabling, the aphrodisiac whip does circles on it.

They both hit 58-68 (gloves and up to two rings) armor pen. Though obviously cloudforgers attacks hit harder under virtually every circumstance.

When the weapon was different and you could dual wield it, it was actually pretty good. A 20 armor pen stat stick that does great damage and comes with an accuracy bonus that offsets the dual-wielding penalty? That was amazing. Truly, I don't think non light weapons offer much. You get a marginal damage boost on non dual wield attacks for substantially less damage from no dual wielding.

The ability to change weapon type would help by potentially bringing it back up to that peak. (Though that'd probably be a lot of effort on their part to make 5 additional Ashelanders to say nothing of the work on the polishing scenes). Though it'd also make it like that one weapon it WotR and that thing rocked because of how hard it got upgraded.

Honestly, it not having a unique ability is the worst part of the weapon. It's about the same I felt about the Dragonscale plate. We can all agree that dragons are cool under threat of flagellation. So a weapon more reflective of it's draconic origin so it's not just a heat flavor beat stick would do wonders.

Can't do the whole sentient autonomous weapon thing because Corrupted Dawnsword exists.

Spoiler: ... And it sucks

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[Alexandeufdkddk]

Conceptually they're a bit different in use.
Cloudforger is

• Heavy (so an initiative penalty unless warrior)
• More for spell blades due to spell power and spell pen
• Two handed

Ashelander is

• Not heavy
• Has accuracy (in a game where dumping agility means you miss most of your attack)
• Has some sexiness
• Non light (can't be dual wielded)

Honestly, the 5 sexiness is both the most noteworthy and potentially good thing while also the most awkward part about the weapon. Tease is overpowered. But 5 sexiness is nothing. You have to go a warrior/charmer hybrid thing to take advantage of it, and it also works with the pyromancer set. But, for pure tease enabling, the aphrodisiac whip does circles on it.

They both hit 58-68 (gloves and up to two rings) armor pen. Though obviously cloudforgers attacks hit harder under virtually every circumstance.

When the weapon was different and you could dual wield it, it was actually pretty good. A 20 armor pen stat stick that does great damage and comes with an accuracy bonus that offsets the dual-wielding penalty? That was amazing. Truly, I don't think non light weapons offer much. You get a marginal damage boost on non dual wield attacks for substantially less damage from no dual wielding.

The ability to change weapon type would help by potentially bringing it back up to that peak. (Though that'd probably be a lot of effort on their part to make 5 additional Ashelanders to say nothing of the work on the polishing scenes). Though it'd also make it like that one weapon it WotR and that thing rocked because of how hard it got upgraded.

Honestly, it not having a unique ability is the worst part of the weapon. It's about the same I felt about the Dragonscale plate. We can all agree that dragons are cool under threat of flagellation. So a weapon more reflective of it's draconic origin so it's not just a heat flavor beat stick would do wonders.

Can't do the whole sentient autonomous weapon thing because Corrupted Dawnsword exists.

Spoiler: ... And it sucks

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If they could take the time to make a quest for the captain's greatsword I don't think it would be very difficult to write about Ashlandec's reforging when practically every component imaginable is available. (wyrm tooth, dragon blood, legendary forging hammer, a magical smithy where weapons for dragons were forged and a magical golen that you defeat there, made to forge) The only really complicated thing would be to think about the weapon it could become and I say whip or flail since they are the least represented type of weapon in the game. And a fire whip would be great.

 

[jfmherokiller]

the only issue would be that, should the weapon be "drop replaced" or should its stats change via a set of flags.

Eg should it be removed from inventory and the modified version "given" to the player, or should the item be modified in place.

 

[Walk Cycle]

I like the combat in CoC1 because I can just Whitefire everything to death

 

[Belphegor007]

Shit combat where you can one hit everything is better than shit combat where encounters take forever.
Doesn't help so many skills and classes are worthless and everything is "balanced" so you can never have fun.

 

[Alexandeufdkddk]

the only issue would be that, should the weapon be "drop replaced" or should its stats change via a set of flags.

Eg should it be removed from inventory and the modified version "given" to the player, or should the item be modified in place.

The same as with the captain's sword. Again it doesn't have to be that complicated. It's like right in your face, the perfect opportunity at the perfect time and no one uses it.

 

[Alexandeufdkddk]

You're on an ancient dragon island in a dragon forge with a hammer to make dragon weapons, a golem that specializes in forging dragon weapons, and a weapon with a dragon's soul inside. It's like someone shaking their tits in your face and you can't touch them.

 

[Belphegor007]

It's like someone shaking their tits in your face and you can't touch them.

Isn't that on brand for CoC2?

 

[Alexandeufdkddk]

We can change that. All we have to do is pester Savin until he agrees.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

We can change that. All we have to do is pester Savin until he agrees.

Everyone has been pestering Savin to give Etheruined a pussy since day 1. See how it worked.

 

[Alterism]

We can change that. All we have to do is pester Savin until he agrees.

If you're actually interested in affecting a change you should be bringing up your recommendations to them on discord. This ain't the place for that.

 

[Alexandeufdkddk]

If you're actually interested in affecting a change you should be bringing up your recommendations to them on discord. This ain't the place for that.

I did it, and on patreon and the official page and on twitter, and on redit...I refuse to give up.

 

[NODOGAN]

Worst part of it all: Ashelander being changed during a quest isn't even that crazy, not when you consider how quests have certain things change if you meet certain requirements, i.e:
Charmers letting you buff Livrea by cooking Ylvild before their battle.
Blackmages able to summon dragon spirit in Dracia.
Anyone with Abjure ultimate being able to dispell the corrupted elemental in temple of xadaron.
etc.

 

[Alexandeufdkddk]

Worst part of it all: Ashelander being changed during a quest isn't even that crazy, not when you consider how quests have certain things change if you meet certain requirements, i.e:
Charmers letting you buff Livrea by cooking Ylvild before their battle.
Blackmages able to summon dragon spirit in Dracia.
Anyone with Abjure ultimate being able to dispell the corrupted elemental in temple of xadaron.
etc.

Thank you, it's super obvious and relatively easy but nobody talks about it

 

[Indium]

So, I completely forgot that I've killed Queen Alissa during my main playthrough, and now there's no way for me to have a look at the new dungeon-specific content for her. How would I go about editing my save file so she would be captured in the dungeon instead? Thanks.

 

[Ilovekatz19]

So, I completely forgot that I've killed Queen Alissa during my main playthrough, and now there's no way for me to have a look at the new dungeon-specific content for her. How would I go about editing my save file so she would be captured in the dungeon instead? Thanks.

The flag you'll want to mess with is "RQ2_ALISSA". In my personal save, Alissa is alive, and in the Wayfort, the flag is set to "\"RQ2_ALISSA\":6". Feel free to experiment with other numers. 6 is just the one that my save is set to.

 

[thecatcameback]

Been playing the first one. I hope modded CoC manages to take CoC II's transformation system. The one thing I really like from this game are the targeted transformations. Shame that Trials doesn't have it either.

 

[Anon_3.141]

Been playing the first one. I hope modded CoC manages to take CoC II's transformation system. The one thing I really like from this game are the targeted transformations. Shame that Trials doesn't have it either.

Trials *technically* has it if you took 5 Galomax, but at the cost of always being a Galotian in addition to whatever you Goo-shaped yourself to look like.

 

[thecatcameback]

Quick question, finally doing the arena but I want to make sure I don't step on a landmine. Do I follow after the Black Knight or choose 'whatever'.

 

[Indium]

The flag you'll want to mess with is "RQ2_ALISSA". In my personal save, Alissa is alive, and in the Wayfort, the flag is set to "\"RQ2_ALISSA\":6". Feel free to experiment with other numers. 6 is just the one that my save is set to.

I tried this and it worked, thank you for the help.