Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.28] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Nidabutt]

One way I considered implementing "level drain" is by having it be temporary in a scene where the pc is sapped of their strength.

Pretty much how Kaly's bad end works currently, that was as close as I could get. I really wanted level drain and since it wouldn't work normally it got made into a bad end.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

Kaly was planned to have level drain content but unfortunately it doesn't seem possible due to how levels are coded in the game, something to do with the game having a lot of level-based triggers. It's not an issue with the content not being allowed, just issues with the difficulty of coding it.

It'd probably be a bit of a pain to lose levels in a game you're already rather limited on them too.

 

[GokutheG]

It'd probably be a bit of a pain to lose levels in a game you're already rather limited on them too.

Just make it a temporary status condition that goes away after you sleep. If you want it tougher make it so you need to gain experience beforehand.

 

[ara1111]

Yes, just one more way to say random NPC's > us, another power fantasy for the people paying to put their OC's in the game
(we can't have level drain though that would be a power fantasy)

 

[BMVV]

Yes, just one more way to say random NPC's > us, another power fantasy for the people paying to put their OC's in the game
(we can't have level drain though that would be a power fantasy)

Honestly? Yeah it's a double standard. As much as this place bitches specifically about Tobs and his old drama there does seem to be too much spite towards the player from devs and writers without enough to balance it out. CoC1 brought in the opposite audience but it seems the people who got involved with the team are the ones who kept getting bad ended and cucked.

It's not like they'd ever acknowledge it though since it's echo chamber versus echo chamber and nobody wants to "lose".

 

[icecreamman99]

Kaly was planned to have level drain content but unfortunately it doesn't seem possible due to how levels are coded in the game, something to do with the game having a lot of level-based triggers. It's not an issue with the content not being allowed, just issues with the difficulty of coding it.

One way I considered implementing "level drain" is by having it be temporary in a scene where the pc is sapped of their strength.

It'd probably be a bit of a pain to lose levels in a game you're already rather limited on them too.

Just make it a temporary status condition that goes away after you sleep. If you want it tougher make it so you need to gain experience beforehand.

y'all crazy or just forgetting about the player and possibly interacting is some way that not just yes to Kalysea
You wanted a character that took items and would level drain and was one-sidedly dom the player in sex and in the relationship and get treated without respect, what would the player even get in return that 1 skill and pc doing one-sided oral on them?
Usually that kind of stuff is paired with losing fights or losing in some manner. Or it's involved in overindulgence and/or wish fulfillment in the favor of the player.

If Kalysea had that it would look even more like a one-sided OC insert where they are the star and the player is just there to show them off, that would make almost no different from cait(half of the time), fox land, and some of the half of the stuff bubblelord(?) did.
Todo content like and not make it feel like that you would need to do some sort of "power behind the throne," where Kalysea is supporting the player heavily or making thing coinvent for them making things easier and/or enriching the player but serving Kalysea to get it and Kalysea would become more entrenched in their life and if the player goes to far needed.

and if want to do simulate level drain with this code you could probably could you could do something like an addiction system that gives a debuff to stats and if you want level drain to effect scenes make the system tied to a perk that can level up

tldr; that shit sounds one-side as fuck you think about wtf the PC gets out of this because it looks like "the PC get to be their bitch for nothing and Kalysea gets everything want and will want"

 

[Alterism]

"I want this character to not have a dick and/or be submissive" which is like 99% of 'feedback' on Kaly here sadly.

Hmm. That bugs me.
That's a paddlin'

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There's a person talking about Lane, and how that concept was done better.

I've some feedback.
I'll go a step further and say that there's multiple characters who offer more choice in engagement of addiction, mind control, and general will manipulation. Every time this type of idea is broached across two games prior to CoC2

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And then we come to CoC2.
Kalysea exhibits many of the same flaws every character in CoC2 has.

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And don't get me started on companions.

• When the PC is addicted to Marble's milk? Multiple characters show concern and personality. Izma gets downright hostile
• When Lane is siphoning the PC's funds? Multiple characters can be the one to start the intervention.
• When Alexandria is mind controlling the PC? You have to deliberately seal them in their quarters to stop them from interrupting.

You have married wives in your entourage. Yet nobody does anything.

Funny joke, Savin.

A character who holds 100% of the power 100% of the time? I haven't seen that before. In another year or so we'll get futa-doomme #8 and the cycle will repeat itself.

You'll note that 0% of my personal grievances have anything to do with de-dicking or turning Kalysea into a sub.
Edit: Huh. Didn't realize I had that much to say.

 

[GokutheG]

y'all crazy or just forgetting about the player and possibly interacting is some way that not just yes to Kalysea
You wanted a character that took items and would level drain and was one-sidedly dom the player in sex and in the relationship and get treated without respect, what would the player even get in return that 1 skill and pc doing one-sided oral on them?
Usually that kind of stuff is paired with losing fights or losing in some manner. Or it's involved in overindulgence and/or wish fulfillment in the favor of the player.

If Kalysea had that it would look even more like a one-sided OC insert where they are the star and the player is just there to show them off, that would make almost no different from cait(half of the time), fox land, and some of the half of the stuff bubblelord(?) did.
Todo content like and not make it feel like that you would need to do some sort of "power behind the throne," where Kalysea is supporting the player heavily or making thing coinvent for them making things easier and/or enriching the player but serving Kalysea to get it and Kalysea would become more entrenched in their life and if the player goes to far needed.

and if want to do simulate level drain with this code you could probably could you could do something like an addiction system that gives a debuff to stats and if you want level drain to effect scenes make the system tied to a perk that can level up

tldr; that shit sounds one-side as fuck you think about wtf the PC gets out of this because it looks like "the PC get to be their bitch for nothing and Kalysea gets everything want and will want"

I think you're missing that there are players that WANT their character to be dominated. They like servicing a dominant character and that's their reward. Some like softer with aftercare others are OK with being treated as a toy. I just don't get not liking certain content if its completely optional.

 

[jfmherokiller]

We just need to port CoC into Skyrim. Or Skyrim into CoC.

funfact you can actually partially get CoC running in both skyrim and fallout because both run flash as the UI. Also I actually got CoCX to run in CoC2 inside of I think the unbuilt temple via ruffle maybe last year.

To get back to CoCX inside of fallout/skyrim I know for certain (atleast of a year ago) stuff like keyboard buttons wouldnt function correctly inside of the UI. And also saving and loading would need to be completely remade to be possibly passed to the skyrim/fallout save file.

On a side note whenever I do play I regularly forget Kalysea even exists.

 

[Belphegor007]

No, that's a whimsical fetish. Why would you expect that from these joyless people?

If they added level drain even their die hard fans would be pissed.
Do you really think anyone wants to lose levels and then proceed spending more time engaging with this horrible combat system?

 

[Maldrid]

Don't forget that the rodent people exist, but barely. Meccians. Had to look up their name because I couldn't even remember. 2 npcs, ones a quest enemy, the other has a single non-repeatable sex scene. And...I actually had to look it up. Svern, the npc isn't listed on the wiki as a half meccian, but Whisper looks all furred in his art while Svern is garbage anime kemonomimi bullshit, being human with animal ears, tail, and spicing it up with furred arms (feet are never mentioned so who knows). The wiki says they can be born either with fur or without (beyond stupid, pick one, are they furries or are they weebs?). Despite all that, still no transformatives for them. Probably the only race you can't transform into, not that I'm gonna check.

On a tangent, even if coc2 added a transformative for them, that would make all three fenoxo games have a mouse transformative, but none for rats. Where's the love for my rattos?

theres also the avanai that have an entire bio but have only one barely functional character that you fight.

 

[icecreamman99]

I think you're missing that there are players that WANT their character to be dominated. They like servicing a dominant character and that's their reward. Some like softer with aftercare others are OK with being treated as a toy. I just don't get not liking certain content if its completely optional.

no i understand and said so inside

I'll even give an example what could be done and keep Kalysea the same with all their sex and stuff

Make Kalysea actually help you and do the things they said the would and servicing sexually or by giving them power in some for or another.

1. Have Kalysea be able todo a camp heal and if you empower this lowers the cd and can it gives buff this buff could also be empowered. this can also lead to sex scenes with you or others if you opt for it.
2. step on the toes of shops and have Kalysea just give a limited amount of items on a cd that are useful to for most of the game. Shit like recall ember, camping supplies, trail rations. If empowered they can give out more of what they got and give out that item that full heals.
3. if empowered Kalysea could give out those buffs from the bar and the last stage of empowered they can do combos buffs that mixes them. it can lead also lead to sex.
4. if Kalysea if going to be based mostly out of camp and walking around, if they are empowered they can give the player a special unlimited camp item and if they are are empowered even more it become Kalysea's moving domain and don't want to explain the things they could do with that

if Kalysea did more for the PC in some way it's wouldn't seem at best, a quick and dirty rush to the sex stuff for Kalysea and at worse, another one-sided OC

 

[BMVV]

Hmm. That bugs me.

Man this is such a well put together post. Unfortunately, I really doubt Nida will ever acknowledge it because it'd be admitting to being wrong.

 

[jfmherokiller]

Don't forget that the rodent people exist, but barely. Meccians. Had to look up their name because I couldn't even remember. 2 npcs, ones a quest enemy, the other has a single non-repeatable sex scene. And...I actually had to look it up. Svern, the npc isn't listed on the wiki as a half meccian, but Whisper looks all furred in his art while Svern is garbage anime kemonomimi bullshit, being human with animal ears, tail, and spicing it up with furred arms (feet are never mentioned so who knows). The wiki says they can be born either with fur or without (beyond stupid, pick one, are they furries or are they weebs?). Despite all that, still no transformatives for them. Probably the only race you can't transform into, not that I'm gonna check.

On a tangent, even if coc2 added a transformative for them, that would make all three fenoxo games have a mouse transformative, but none for rats. Where's the love for my rattos?

coming from the mouth of a furry:
I hate kemonomimi stuff with a passion unless its done well because in most cases they play it like the furry version of fence sitting, where most characters may just have ears that look like they are wearing a headband under thier hair. And if they have tails, its usually done art wise where it also looks like the tail is a cheap fursuit belt tail that can be removed if needed.

I also agree they need to chose one and you know which side I am on. Give me more Whisper tho I will allow some Svern if its done well.

And yes they should add some kind of possibly cheesy transformative.

 

[Yeppers34]

coming from the mouth of a furry:
I hate kemonomimi stuff with a passion unless its done well because in most cases they play it like the furry version of fence sitting, where most characters may just have ears that look like they are wearing a headband under thier hair. And if they have tails, its usually done art wise where it also looks like the tail is a cheap fursuit belt tail that can be removed if needed.

I also agree they need to chose one and you know which side I am on. Give me more Whisper tho I will allow some Svern if its done well.

And yes they should add some kind of possibly cheesy transformative.

On second though maybe no more whisper, they were made by the observer

 

[Azriel Satan]

I like this idea, I'll see if the team would be okay coding it in, mainly for travel scenes since they're random and you can pick to opt into the other scenes. You can actually push her towards rimming scenes by smooching her ass but it's a one time thing, so I'll see if they could implement a preference system depending where you kiss her.

If you are looking into focusing on certain content can you see about not doing any rimming content as an option (disabling the sections of scenes that have it preferably instead of the entire scene)?

 

[Belphegor007]

y'all crazy or just forgetting about the player and possibly interacting is some way that not just yes to Kalysea
You wanted a character that took items and would level drain and was one-sidedly dom the player in sex and in the relationship and get treated without respect, what would the player even get in return that 1 skill and pc doing one-sided oral on them?
Usually that kind of stuff is paired with losing fights or losing in some manner. Or it's involved in overindulgence and/or wish fulfillment in the favor of the player.

If Kalysea had that it would look even more like a one-sided OC insert where they are the star and the player is just there to show them off, that would make almost no different from cait(half of the time), fox land, and some of the half of the stuff bubblelord(?) did.
Todo content like and not make it feel like that you would need to do some sort of "power behind the throne," where Kalysea is supporting the player heavily or making thing coinvent for them making things easier and/or enriching the player but serving Kalysea to get it and Kalysea would become more entrenched in their life and if the player goes to far needed.

and if want to do simulate level drain with this code you could probably could you could do something like an addiction system that gives a debuff to stats and if you want level drain to effect scenes make the system tied to a perk that can level up

tldr; that shit sounds one-side as fuck you think about wtf the PC gets out of this because it looks like "the PC get to be their bitch for nothing and Kalysea gets everything want and will want"

I'm more annoyed about the double standard of a character promising to help you, but all the do is get you addicted to having sex with them.
This what a lot of corruption content was in CoC1 and I will of course shit on some commissioned character once again being able to do things the player can't.
Also I love dom content, but I'm kind of tired of just Dom characters that just use or take advantage of you especially in ways the player never would be allowed to.

 

[icecreamman99]

I'm more annoyed about the double standard of a character promising to help you, but all the do is get you addicted to having sex with them.
This what a lot of corruption content was in CoC1 and I will of course shit on some commissioned character once again being able to do things the player can't.
Also I love dom content, but I'm kind of tired of just Dom characters that just use or take advantage of you especially in ways the player never would be allowed to.

I can't agree more, only things i think got to look forward to in that regard is more Fleep stuff and Jstar's wolf cave, i'm holy shit it on took 3 games to get a male harem for my fempc and if that doesn't work put, i think you still turn them female and fuck them with malePC.

speaking of that Fleep dropped the ball on the PC femdom for queen

PC tells the imprisoned queen that they got them where they want them and tells them to be a good girl they can fuck.
hate sex; good
other scenes; the PC proceeds to get degraded and spit on by the imprisoned queen with no change in scene if the queen has high sub stats. Only thing that changes is the ending if you chose to blue ball them and changes they feel about and how the PC does it.
And just blue balling a person in that situation isn't enough should at least have them with their hands on the wall while bring out the oil and leather whip. After rubbing them down and spank that bitch raw and/or till they act like a good bitch.

 

[ara1111]

Btw how do you do the "Tattoo" option with Khlemaia? Just says I need to spend more time with her no matter what I do with her.
Curious what about a tattoo could take 4 entire days

 

[icecreamman99]

Btw how do you do the "Tattoo" option with Khlemaia? Just says I need to spend more time with her no matter what I do with her.
Curious what about a tattoo could take 4 entire days

haven't played it yet but someone said you got to fuck them alot and do their talks
and the tattoo doesn't take 4 days but it gives the option for a stay over of some sort