Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.31] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[NaturalEnclave]

I wouldn't say I dislike it. The impact of the passage of time is a pretty important thing to implement. Doubly so if you are trying to make the reader immerse themselves in the world. The main point of contention people have with the demon 'invasion' is how it's basically an insane lightswitch that suddenly turned on with no quantifiable narrative escalation and the adventure itself has no real way of gauging how long anything has been taking.

In regards to Vatia specifically, it's not any more egregious than the 3 days Garth/Gweyr take to finish Gweyr quest. And certainly not as annoying as juicing up Kiyoko to max tails. I think it was a good decision given her snooze heavy nature.

Yeah, I do think it has an appeal and this isn't the something that is actually horrible, but CoC2 does occasionally have stuff that takes a lot of stuff and conditions that aren't always clear, especially when RNG is involved. I remember trying to get to Vari's village and doing all sorts of things based on outdated wiki and forum posts none of which worked. Part of me really just wondered "Hey, why can't that... just be a permanent option in her dialogue?".

And yeah, my biggest gripe with time sensitive quests is how they usually only apply to side content because making it important for main story is too much, so it ends up being inconsistent. It's kinda funny to think that, if the game actually had an ongoing corruption on the world the longer you let Kas wander around would not only add actual corruption content to the game, but would also make "corruption of champion" an actual thing, as you no doubt would have to take more risks and punishments that might corrupt you when you are under a time limit.

 

[MoneyMan181]

It's kinda funny to think that, if the game actually had an ongoing corruption on the world the longer you let Kas wander around would not only add actual corruption content to the game, but would also make "corruption of champion" an actual thing, as you no doubt would have to take more risks and punishments that might corrupt you when you are under a time limit.

As much as I do wish corruption was more of a thing, I definitely don't think there should be a timer for it. That would suck for people who wanna stay pure because it puts them on a time limit(which kinda just feel bad in most games), and would just lead to a corrupt player just wasting time to cheese the system.

 

[_Fabi_]

Thx

 

[claralover]

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Is it really that meh!?

I feel like it was yeah, total let down

 

[Deviton123]

It's kinda funny to think that, if the game actually had an ongoing corruption on the world the longer you let Kas wander around would not only add actual corruption content to the game, but would also make "corruption of champion" an actual thing,

To be honest they also don't do a great job of showing how Kasyrra being around is actually changing anything either. Pretty much a lot of shit that's happening has already been going on anyway (rape, sluttery, etc). How can a character like Cait get corrupt? Is she gonna grow a mustache and start twirling it while doing what she does already?

 

[Quintilus]

As much as I do wish corruption was more of a thing, I definitely don't think there should be a timer for it. That would suck for people who wanna stay pure because it puts them on a time limit(which kinda just feel bad in most games), and would just lead to a corrupt player just wasting time to cheese the system.

No, if implemented correctly.
Example:
World, on a local scale, slowly become more and more corrupted, everyone trying to do their best to put demonic horse dong six feet under but players character sits on an ass and chew popcorn. As the result when world, on a local scale, become literal hell hole players character, and other, goes like 'faaaaaack, we a loosing up this war...we should abandon our current positions and regroup in the neighbor kingdom/city/etc. for counterattack' -> game over screen with 'I tried so hard and got so far, but in the end it doesnt even matter' leitmotif. Optionally with a 'and than all good united against all bad and won'.
Wanna stay pure -> do something
Wanna become a bit more demonic -> do something
Do nothing -> gets nothing, no martini no party

 

[NaturalEnclave]

As much as I do wish corruption was more of a thing, I definitely don't think there should be a timer for it. That would suck for people who wanna stay pure because it puts them on a time limit(which kinda just feel bad in most games), and would just lead to a corrupt player just wasting time to cheese the system.

Oh yeah, it would definitely change the core gameplay loop of CoC2 and basically make it into a different game, which, while can work, is way harder to balance and that is an issue in the current game already.

To be honest they also don't do a great job of showing how Kasyrra being around is actually changing anything either. Pretty much a lot of shit that's happening has already been going on anyway (rape, sluttery, etc). How can a character like Cait get corrupt? Is she gonna grow a mustache and start twirling it while doing what she does already?

Yeah, that's the weirdest part about the premise I never understood. You think "Oh no, those poor girls have become horny and try to fuck anyone they meet!" but then they are like "oh no we've always been like that. That dragon girl you are looking for? We saw her flying in that direction!" so in the end Kas did fuck all.

I do really like porn settings where fucking is seen as this casual thing and not a taboo - a porn world, to say. But it's weird when the threat is antagonist will turn the world into a corrupted world of porn when it's basically already that. The only thing that would change is that everyone will be a bit more demonic?... It almost makes me wonder if devs planned some kind of redemption arc for Kas and don't want her to do actually evil things on screen to make this redemption easier for players to accept.

 

[Daken9]

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Is it really that meh!?

Not outright bad but yeah, pretty lackluster. Even less stuff than with the Harpy and just like for all of the latest pregnancy content the relationship pretty much goes 'you meet them -> you fuck them -> you're a family now.' And it's not like the pregnancy kink itself gets particularly tickled either, since art notwithstanding differences in the sex scenes are always minimal.

Like, come on. In the Wayfort we can neither sleep with the Harpy nor with the hibernating snake, and none of those kids running around even interact with eachother (same for their parents). And on that vein, Vatia specifically already got a threesome with Brienne so why not just make it a pregnant threesome and make all this shit worth.

Honestly, not even the biggest fan of Aileh but revisiting her content after all this made me realize how much there is to her prior to the pregnancy, and how much there is during and after. Feels like all they're doing now is speedrunning character arcs and running to the finishline trying to copy what made her good, completely missing that cute kids by themselves aren't gonna carry no relationship build-up and no dedicated pregnancy sex scenes either.

 

[Alterism]

Not outright bad but yeah, pretty lackluster.

I didn't think it was that bad. The escalation to moving in and wanting kids is a bit nuts though. We basically only just met and, dependent if Brint is in the party, we're not even the only person who has plowed her as you can't do her without him getting it in. So she then shows up at the wayfort and is all about starting a family and being an item while neither of you have properly gone through any manner of romance.

The interaction with your budding family is pretty alright, though. Clearly the highlight. For most NPC's, even if it's minimal, interactions with the firstborn is endearing. But the character herself needed a bit more buildup.

 

[Drachos]

It almost makes me wonder if devs planned some kind of redemption arc for Kas and don't want her to do actually evil things on screen to make this redemption easier for players to accept.

Its pretty clear thats the intention if you want it to play it that way.

From the very start you have two paths, refered to by the Devs as the Rival and Romance paths. This is most obvious in the Winter city dungeon where it completely changes the outcome of events (in a way I HIGHLY suspect they will regret latter), but can be seen elsewhere in the game.

Romance Path: Aileh comes through and screams at Kas to close the portal. She fails to do so and an 'Abyssal Thing' comes out of the portal and corrupts 'Dragon daughters' except Aileh. You then proceed to fight the Abyssal thing and get your arse handed to you until the gods intervene to defeat the Abyssal thing. You then mop up the remaining corrupted dragon daughters.

Rivalry path: The Abyssal thing doesn't exist AT ALL, and the portal is instead destroyed by a bolt of Lightning (implying divine intervention), limiting how many Dragon Daughters get through. Regardless however, Kas orders the Dragon daughters to kidnap Elven nobility and then leaves.

We know that Kas overall goal (at least in the Romance path) is to have a child of their own, which will require their soul to be restored (you need to build the Temple to Mallach to find this out). Its possible that the Rival path is the same... but the fact she has an army and victims in that path means she might have other goals or motivations.

The problem of course is that the devs naturally don't want to write 2 entirely different games, YET these two differently described Kas's would treat the world differently. So they have collectively ignored the issue, which has the consequence of making it appear like the Romance Kas is the real path.

From my perspective I would not be surprised if long term Kas is dropped as a victim and Tollus becomes the new big bad. Whether the Devs will even remember Kas kidnapped a bunch of elven nobility and has an army of dragon-daughters when we come to the final dungeon....

Lets say I have doubts.
(Having said that I prefer the romance path from a self corruption perspective, BUT if I was doing the rival path I would be kinda frustrated. Kas as a true villian only really occurs at the start and at the Centaur villiage... maybe the Hornets if you stretch it... after that its really had to pinpoint a truly evil thing she has done.)

 

[Lucky_I]

I didn't think it was that bad. The escalation to moving in and wanting kids is a bit nuts though. We basically only just met and, dependent if Brint is in the party, we're not even the only person who has plowed her as you can't do her without him getting it in. So she then shows up at the wayfort and is all about starting a family and being an item while neither of you have properly gone through any manner of romance.

I think you're overstating the escalation bit. Imo, shes much better about it than a lot of other characters. Cause the requirements for her to ask you are pretty significant.

You need to meet her at Frostwood, actively engage with her content(which not only involves letting her literally sleep with you if I recall correctly, but you also have to go through her dialogue and get to know her). You then have to own wayfort, which prompts her to visit you on occasion. And then you have to get to Khorminos proper. And the time it would take from first meeting her to then is a lot.

And finally, you have to let her move in and after she sleeps for 8 days, you have to go through her dialogue again to which she tells you her reason for wanting kids(which is to liver a fuller life and you HAVE before you even have the ability to knock her up). And the reason she asks you to father her kid is cause she likes you and why wouldn't she, you would have to have interacted with her quite a bit, which involves getting to know her and be very kind and accommodating to her too.

 

[Alterism]

I think you're overstating the escalation bit. Imo, shes much better about it than a lot of other characters. Cause the requirements for her to ask you are pretty significant.

I feel you're overstating the steps as well:
The hard requirements are actually minimal in regards to interacting with her.

1. Have sex (somebody mentioned that just cuddling works but that'd be whacky) with a small aside that she's barely sentient due to fatigue.
2. Make a camp.
3. Talk to her about magic. (none of the other conversations matter, nor are most of them even remotely intimate)

Do a bunch of stuff unrelated to her (WC/KM). KM being a requirement for a bunch of things in general, like helping out the valks. After which after banging maybe a single time~

This is what she says on the first time at your door moving in.

That's a bit of an escalation there with no buildup. Most of the other pregnancies are natural results of fornicating. So while the pregnancy is 'sudden' (Hretha, Infrith, Atani (though you have to talk to her a lot to even start that), Brienne) it's a bit more 'natural'. Brienne doesn't intend to get pregnant. That's just what's going to happen when you go for an all day fuck session.

A planned parenthood is a beast all it's own. Like, damn, you don't even know each other all that well. Contrast Livrea

1. Donate to her
2. Take her out on a date
3. Bang her.
   A lot
4. Have the talk
5. Date her
6. Profess your love to her
7. Explore multiple conversation options as well as talking about the future
8. Finally pop the question about children

You could compare it against Zhara but her (and harpies in general) are equivalent to Orcs in general in that they just want to rob and fuck. And showing kindness/mutual attraction to Zhara when she nightcrawls is how you open up the rest of her content.

I can bang out the rest while I'm at it:

• Zo has you rescue her, doing a lotof her training, improving her house, and later building a crib
• Aileh needs no emphasis.
• Kiyoko is a happy incident that you both accept and love
• Cat Harem has an entire quest, needs to be banged, and then further needs to be convinced
• Rindo has to be courted, banged, made your concubine, and finally deliberately impregnated
• Lyric has perpetual hero worshipping one-itis for saving her life and would birth a kingdoms worth of kobolds with you if you wanted
• Rags requires an entire song and dance of dating her
• Arona (in addition to doing her entire quest to begin with) sees you knocking up her entire tribe and wants to have your children.

Then there's the least explored but still 'natural' (but is where I'd put Vatia if we're honest,

• Eubicha gets off on mare play
• Gwyn is...
• The hellhound is all about pregnancy regardless of who she's fucking but eventually gets champion one-itis (until Agni)
• Vari just needs you to engage in a few romps of casual mindblowing sex
• Nihara just needs sex and a quest and is extra casual about the entire thing

I could use other porn game logic and state that Vatia draws a connection between sex and love. But we know that's not generally how things work here. Also Brint, I guess.
But in comparison to the greater half of pregnancies, especially given this is a deliberate decision, that's a bit much.
Even Salwah requires you create a stable environment before you engage in the most impersonal procedure of procreation possible and you additionally have to voice the question yourself.

So when I say it's escalating a bit quick. That's what I mean. It's in comparison to the others, which makes it as standoffish as it is.

 

[thecatcameback]

Salwah is unfortunate, since she has such nice art. She's the least sexy sex priestess ever. I wonder if TOBs did it to poke fun at Cait?

 

[Eyesrem]

Thanks for always posting the game! :3

 

[Daken9]

I didn't think it was that bad. The escalation to moving in and wanting kids is a bit nuts though. We basically only just met and, dependent if Brint is in the party, we're not even the only person who has plowed her as you can't do her without him getting it in. So she then shows up at the wayfort and is all about starting a family and being an item while neither of you have properly gone through any manner of romance.

The interaction with your budding family is pretty alright, though. Clearly the highlight. For most NPC's, even if it's minimal, interactions with the firstborn is endearing. But the character herself needed a bit more buildup.

Maybe i'm just over the game but like i said, no proper build-up + the knowledge that not any of those characters will be getting any updates in the near future (and that it might indeed be it for them) make it hard to enjoy the crumbs.

Also, the porn. Give this wholesome family content utterly devoid of anything sexual to Brienne or Arona and i'm more than fine with it. I care about the characters and it'd just be some nice natural progression of their arcs. Would even work for someone like Clem because at least her content is pretty wholesome as is, but give it to some rando with two scenes who'd only every existed for the porn and don't even add to it and it's a whatev for me.

 

[Wrynn13]

I would do very bad things for some Clementine pregnancy content.

 

[Quintilus]

I would do very bad things for some Clementine pregnancy content.

Tomorrow after the school on a parking lot near wallmart. Come alone.

 

[Wrynn13]

Tomorrow after the school on a parking lot near wallmart. Come alone.

Nice try dead boy.

 

[gregers]

if I was doing the rival path I would be kinda frustrated

... yeah.

 

[Alterism]

I would not be surprised if long term Kas is dropped as a victim and Tollus becomes the new big bad.

Doesn't hurt that the game is 'foreshadowing' this with all the subtlety of a punch to the face.