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NODOGAN

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Dec 11, 2017
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Meh Quinn doesn't has any stealable powers and anything he can do Atugia/Azyrran Bimbo can do as well, if Quinn ends up Berwyn'd then at the very least I'd have a reason to fuck her (gimme that rabbithole, Byvernia is not enough.)
 

Alterism

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I wonder why no one appreciates bubs, it's definitely not because he gets into vicious arguments with people over minute criticism of his writing and characters, couldn't be that.
Bubs is...
Anyways Takahiro and the ceaseless defenses on what is inarguably one of the most poorly written characters in the game makes me ponder.

I still remember his plan on making people feel bad about a character they dislike by introducing more things they'd probably dislike.
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Given these... excellent plans were planned in 2020, I'm sure Bubs has written maybe 400 entire words across these 3 years.

Anyways I'm semi sympathetic to his plight of not feeling appreciated because he's not.
Bubs doesn't have a bad library. Not really: several femboys, both driders, the mercs (yes even though that Leofric nonsense is terrible, Maria, and Rune.

It's just he also has irredeemable nonsense like that Sugo cuckoldry dream (either never lose a fight with a male or never interact with Sugo folks), Takahiro, Leofric, still not being able to choose which gender bat to fuck (something something androgynous), and extremely large bouts of nothing.

2018ish to 2020? Bubs was on top of his game. Something nearly every month.
2020 to now? Unfortunate. When you're that bad for that long...

Takahiro being outrageously awful and poorly received and Quint barely functioning as a companion as well as constant squabbles on the forums with people he'd be better off ignoring clearly broke something with him. Nothing but porn-game-developer-burnout from here.

Used to be beautiful. But, used to died yesterday.

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muschi26

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That last point about Takahiro just makes me… Like, I can’t even begin to wrap my head around how it’s supposed to make anyone feel bad for him, unles that person was already projecting himself onto Takahiro to an insane degree. Like, imagine the same scenario in a modern setting:

Dude proposes to girl, gets rejected. So he decides to go get a degree overseas or something. Only he falls in with the stoner crowd, and becomes a fucking failure. Having nothing better to do, he comes home and just wastes away while being a grade-A asshole to everybody. (And somehow every girl still wants to fuck this loser.)

Like, getting rejected sucks, but the way he takes it—especially that part about the duel—makes him a whiny bitch, not a sympathetic hero, and everything else is completely on him. He decided to go on a stupid quest, he’s responsible for his fucking alcohol problem, and he’s most definitely to blame for his shitty attitude.

Like, can you imagine being Azami and still being into this guy? After years of him being nothing but a worthless, drunken wreck? After he tried to kill your fucking father?
 

Quintilus

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That last point about Takahiro just makes me… Like, I can’t even begin to wrap my head around how it’s supposed to make anyone feel bad for him, unles that person was already projecting himself onto Takahiro to an insane degree. Like, imagine the same scenario in a modern setting:

Dude proposes to girl, gets rejected. So he decides to go get a degree overseas or something. Only he falls in with the stoner crowd, and becomes a fucking failure. Having nothing better to do, he comes home and just wastes away while being a grade-A asshole to everybody. (And somehow every girl still wants to fuck this loser.)

Like, getting rejected sucks, but the way he takes it—especially that part about the duel—makes him a whiny bitch, not a sympathetic hero, and everything else is completely on him. He decided to go on a stupid quest, he’s responsible for his fucking alcohol problem, and he’s most definitely to blame for his shitty attitude.

Like, can you imagine being Azami and still being into this guy? After years of him being nothing but a worthless, drunken wreck? After he tried to kill your fucking father?
Tell me its a cry of a psychological help without telling me it.
 

sugouxxx

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>Create cunt character
>People dislike him
>NOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HE LOST HIS PARENTSSSSSSS.
>YOU SHOULD FEEL BAAD ABOUT IT.
>YOU SHOULD HEEEELP IT TO MAKING SURE HIM SOBERED UP
>okay I got it, so what's my reward?
>Become second wife or fuckbuddy
>Alright *goes back asking when I can transform brint father into woman*
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 

sugouxxx

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That last point about Takahiro just makes me… Like, I can’t even begin to wrap my head around how it’s supposed to make anyone feel bad for him, unles that person was already projecting himself onto Takahiro to an insane degree. Like, imagine the same scenario in a modern setting:

Dude proposes to girl, gets rejected. So he decides to go get a degree overseas or something. Only he falls in with the stoner crowd, and becomes a fucking failure. Having nothing better to do, he comes home and just wastes away while being a grade-A asshole to everybody. (And somehow every girl still wants to fuck this loser.)

Like, getting rejected sucks, but the way he takes it—especially that part about the duel—makes him a whiny bitch, not a sympathetic hero, and everything else is completely on him. He decided to go on a stupid quest, he’s responsible for his fucking alcohol problem, and he’s most definitely to blame for his shitty attitude.

Like, can you imagine being Azami and still being into this guy? After years of him being nothing but a worthless, drunken wreck? After he tried to kill your fucking father?
So what happen when people mod create scenario we impregnate Azami and got accepted by his father? Are Takahiro goes unalive with the author himself?
 

MoneyMan181

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Sep 6, 2019
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>Bubs thinking people will feel bad for a complete shitstain of a person
I'm convinced him and TOBS just think we're supposed to get invested in these characters by default. Do they not realize they have to actually make you give a shit about characters for drama to actually mean anything?

Also a reminder that the fox-shitters are the fantasy equivalent of American colonials completely fucking over the Native Americans.

God I fucking wish I could just burn down that stupid fox tree.
 

MomentumMori

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Oct 20, 2021
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Whenever I lurk here on this thread nothin' in this game that shits the bed and riles the peeps here more than the standard cuckoldry or the erasure of male characters --gay or otherwise-- is those vile Kitsune colonials. And rightfully so.

The only redeeming parts of them is the fox wife and the daughteru but even they get tainted too :(, tho the merchant is cool tho :)
 
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>Bubs thinking people will feel bad for a complete shitstain of a person
I'm convinced him and TOBS just think we're supposed to get invested in these characters by default. Do they not realize they have to actually make you give a shit about characters for drama to actually mean anything?
Honestly, if you look at many recently made AAA games with bland/unlikable protagonists, it does feel like that's a common writer issue - they think that everyone will love the characters they make by default and will go with whatever the writer plans for them, when in reality most people just hate them. There were characters I disliked at first which I grew to love as they developed, but doing that is REALLY hard and also requires self-awareness about the issues with the character, which is... kinda rare, especially in CoC2 team.

If the devs actually alluded to the idea of Cait and the groomer cult actually being corrupted it would be hot, but no apparently they're reddit wholesome big chungus. It's totally normal for little Timmy to hear constant moaning and see his caretakers getting slamfucked, we swear this will have no impact on his development!

Seriously, they had to be on fucking drugs when thinking of this shit.
Oh and speaking of writer issues, I think this one of them. I don't think Savin was taking drugs when writing Cait, rather, it's the case of mixed priorities. A few pages ago I explained why I think Cait actually works really well as the first character and companion, in short: nothing too out there, horny and casual about sex like most people are in the game, setting the tone, and lets you fuck without any sort of moral obligations - essentially a hot catslut fuckbuddy. That works well as an opening story character in a porn game.

The problem begins when the writers mix this wacky porn game idea with a grounded explanation of why she is like that that clashes with the real world morals and the player cannot react to it in any way that makes sense or doesn't lock you out of a bunch of content. For Cait to not be like that - all they needed to do is to be more vague. Just say that Cait's culture in general is way more casual about sex and even has sacred prostitutes and she is one of them. But nooo, we need to have the story about her and her homeland that explains how she was trained for this position ever since she was a child with no way to express the clash of the morals that we are facing.

I think the issue here is that in pursuit of being realistic, detailed and "deep" for the story, Savin had to give a lore-friendly explanation for why Cait is like this that is still interesting and gives depth to the world and the character. A noble goal, I have to admit, but I think in doing so here didn't quite realize that... Refer to issue 1 - Not everyone is invested in Cait by default and this backstory doesn't make her better or more likable because it raises a lot of questions regarding morality of everything she has done. There is this thing that many find objectively evil, but the game doesn't have any reason to actually explore the topic and face those questions. Because that was never the point - it's there because the writer wanted to add depth to a very simple character without considering all of the moral consequences of that.

The funniest thing for me is that it wouldn't even be an issue for me of the story wasn't about Kas and stopping the corruption. Oh, a cult that raises sluts that then still function like normal people, who also try to spread their religion and legs? Sign me in, that's pretty hot and depraved for a corrupted world. But when the premise of the game is to stop a demon/cult from corrupting everything with the power of a slut who will probably be grooming children once this is all over? Yeah, that's a massive disconnect.
 

Meblue

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Jul 11, 2021
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To give credit where credit is due, Bubs has written some pretty good stuff. Plenty of bullshit as well, but when he gets going, he gets going. I personally liked a lot of his stuff even if he's technically responsible for some of the worst content in the game. It'd be a shame to see the good parts of his writing go if he decides to leave for good.


On the other hand, the guy's a fucking asshole, incapable taking any form of criticism. I wouldn't feel for anything other than his writing(when it's actually good) if he did decide to leave for good.
 

Quintilus

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Just say that Cait's culture in general is way more casual about sex and even has sacred prostitutes and she is one of them.
"World is a very cruel and cold place. The only 'light' thing in it is sex. No drugs are able to replicate same feeling that you experience on orgasm. And thats why I joined to the insert name, to spread love and joy."
 
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