Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.31] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[M0nte]

So in a kinda interesting tidbit, I read on the Discord a pitch Savin made to reduce companion characters he was writing if he had to do it again.

Said he'd basically fold Caits story into Ryns, so it would be Ryns sister who got kidnapped and Ryn riding down from Winter City looking for help.

Ryn would be female, and Cait would be mostly gone, except Ryn has a womb tattoo like Caits that Kas put on her, that the champ could mess with to make her way hornier in case you want to lead her into being a turboslut.

Sounded interesting.

Also, Arona wouldn't be a companion, just a content heavy NPC in the ogre camp.

Post proof of something since that feels silly.

 

[Fiz1247]

So in a kinda interesting tidbit, I read on the Discord a pitch Savin made to reduce companion characters he was writing if he had to do it again.

Said he'd basically fold Caits story into Ryns, so it would be Ryns sister who got kidnapped and Ryn riding down from Winter City looking for help.

Ryn would be female, and Cait would be mostly gone, except Ryn has a womb tattoo like Caits that Kas put on her, that the champ could mess with to make her way hornier in case you want to lead her into being a turboslut.

Sounded interesting.

Also, Arona wouldn't be a companion, just a content heavy NPC in the ogre camp.

This remastered version looks like it will fix a alot of issues I have with the game but Savin chucking his cat waifu? I find it hard to believe, did he browse F95 or something? Lol. Anyway he should go ahead with it. It would be appreciated if you share screenshots so my hopes can't be dashed

 

[MSGTNP]

OK I'm genuinely confused as to why this thread is just a breeding grounds for hate circlejerking the game. It's really obvious a lot of you have a ton of grievances surrounding the game, and that's fine, I get it. The Observer's content is complete dogshit that conflicts with the rest of the game(and every other Fenoxo game), they add a ridiculous amount of lore nobody gives a shit about, the game has massive tonal issues(do you want everybody fucking each other or do you want me to take this seriously devs?), blah blah, the list goes on. I don't keep up with whatever retarded drama the devs get themselves into but that seems to also be a recurring theme in this thread.

But why do you guys keep coming in here just to be bitter and disappointed about the game?

If you guys seriously dislike the writers and content enough to complain about it basically every page of the thread, why even bother keeping up with the game?

Is it because you actually like the content but don't like the devs? Alright sure but constantly being assblasted about the devs being dipshits just seems redundant and pointless. You whinging about the same things other people have said 500 times already isn't going to change or do anything. Why not just do something else with your time?

Is it because this kind of content is unique and nobody else is doing it at the moment? Sure but is it really unique or good enough to create almost 700 pages of rants about? No it definitely fucking isn't. Why not just go find some other spank bank material with the same tags? Just go on Archive Of Our Own or some shit and put in some monster girl tags.

I'm not trying to defend the game or the devs. I don't like or care enough about most of it to have that much emotional investment in any of this. I'm just trying to understand what compels you people to be this pointlessly negative about this project when you could be doing anything else on the planet more worth your time.

I mean that's fine, and I get where you guys are coming from, but it just seemed like you all just hated the game and the devs and just are here out of some weird sunk cost fallacy. That's really the only reason I came in here and asked that. Wasn't my intention to start shit, I was just genuinely curious why people kept up with the game while constantly shitting on it and not seeing much praise(if any, I don't bother checking this thread often enough to know). I wasn't necessarily trying to complain about your complaints, just trying to offer my viewpoint and ask about yours to understand YOUR viewpoint. I get the same way about Kingdom Hearts so I definitely get it now, it just didn't really click with me when I read through everybody's posts though. Thank you for elaborating, even if you didn't explicitly mean to help me understand.

The reason I ask in the first place is because I like understanding why people do things and I'm retarded enough to not know until they specifically tell me. Even if it's just an emotional reaction that doesn't have much reason or logic behind it, I still like to hear the thought process behind the person themself.

Again, apologies if it just seemed like I was here to defend the game or stir shit up, that wasn't my goal at all. I probably could've worded my post better but everything's 20/20 with hindsight. Was just curious about the heated discussions since you don't really see this kind of thing from a porn game of all things. If you don't believe me and just think this is a way of exiting the conversation, that's also fine. Can't really make you think otherwise. Have a good day everybody.

No sweat man, I get it, it's cool. There's never harm in asking a question.

While there is no content in this game that I outright love, I do fairly enjoy the early kitsune content when Kinu a child and the fox slut still stuck in the Astral Realm. It's pretty wholesome from what I remember of it and thankfully for my sanity, there's no fucking dick girls involved lol

So in a kinda interesting tidbit, I read on the Discord a pitch Savin made to reduce companion characters he was writing if he had to do it again.

Said he'd basically fold Caits story into Ryns, so it would be Ryns sister who got kidnapped and Ryn riding down from Winter City looking for help.

Ryn would be female, and Cait would be mostly gone, except Ryn has a womb tattoo like Caits that Kas put on her, that the champ could mess with to make her way hornier in case you want to lead her into being a turboslut.

Sounded interesting.

Also, Arona wouldn't be a companion, just a content heavy NPC in the ogre camp.

That's kinda hard to believe since Savin himself said he rather just write a entirely new character than dedick Ryn and make her a pure female which is unfortunate.

 

[Meatshield236]

I mean that's fine, and I get where you guys are coming from, but it just seemed like you all just hated the game and the devs and just are here out of some weird sunk cost fallacy. That's really the only reason I came in here and asked that. Wasn't my intention to start shit, I was just genuinely curious why people kept up with the game while constantly shitting on it and not seeing much praise(if any, I don't bother checking this thread often enough to know). I wasn't necessarily trying to complain about your complaints, just trying to offer my viewpoint and ask about yours to understand YOUR viewpoint. I get the same way about Kingdom Hearts so I definitely get it now, it just didn't really click with me when I read through everybody's posts though. Thank you for elaborating, even if you didn't explicitly mean to help me understand.

The reason I ask in the first place is because I like understanding why people do things and I'm retarded enough to not know until they specifically tell me. Even if it's just an emotional reaction that doesn't have much reason or logic behind it, I still like to hear the thought process behind the person themself.

Again, apologies if it just seemed like I was here to defend the game or stir shit up, that wasn't my goal at all. I probably could've worded my post better but everything's 20/20 with hindsight. Was just curious about the heated discussions since you don't really see this kind of thing from a porn game of all things. If you don't believe me and just think this is a way of exiting the conversation, that's also fine. Can't really make you think otherwise. Have a good day everybody.

Personally, I find it valuable to examine and critique writing while hearing about other's opinions about said writing. And let's be frank here: most porn game writing sucks, so when a porn game comes along that has decent writing (most of the time) it's going to come under more scrutiny simply because of how little there is out there. And with the writers being so public with their personal beliefs, it's easy to get frustrated with the game because you can see how good it could be if the writers weren't a mess of issues.

Though speaking of analysis, CoC 2 is such a fascinating topic to examine! It's obviously meant to be sex positive, considering how casual most of the sex is in the game and how willing everyone is. But then it takes it too far and thinks that sex positivity means 'everything sexual is fine.' Which leads to characters like Cait, who the game obviously wants you to view as some strange catgirl turboslut saint, when other's have rightfully pointed out that she's a member of a sex cult who raise children to be prostitutes, and who are exposed to sex at a very young age (which is not good for having a healthy childhood, let me tell you.) And I say that as someone who loves turboslut catgirls.

It would be one thing if it was just a fantasy 'fuck everyone who's willing' thing, but it has lore and worldbuilting and plot, so you can't just brush stuff like that under the rug. And this isn't a problem of combining porn and typical fantasy writing, I think you can combine the two but you have to be careful not to create the exact problems CoC 2 has. Throw in the problem where the writers put their kinks in so many situations (in a game which supposedly lets you choose which content you want to do) that it feels like the game is pushing you to do something you're not comfortable with (cough cough dickgirls and horsecocks cough cough), and you have a recipe for a game that could be fantastic but isn't. And I think it's important to look at what works and what doesn't, even just for the sake of engaging and critically thinking about something.

 

[Skandranon]

That's kinda hard to believe since Savin himself said he rather just write a entirely new character than dedick Ryn and make her a pure female which is unfortunate.

That's literally what this is, a whole new character.

Dedicking Ryn would be a whole lot of work, considering she already has two separate variables, adding in a third that would completely change a large chunk of her scenes and dialogue would probably be about the same amount of work as a whole new character.

But writing her female from the beginning is a whole different story.

The goal of this (theoretical, not at all real) change is to reduce the weight of Savin writing three companions and Ryn being so apparently difficult to write for.

I've finally figured out how I should have done one Companion AND made Ryn less of a mess at the same time. ... Just have Arona be a content rich NPC in her camp. At the start of the game, PRINCESS CAIRYN arrives in Hawkethorne having ridden there all the way from Winter City. She'd attempted to reach the castle but was turned aside by the cultists who're now sacrificing {Ryn's retainer that came with her?}. Tutorial plays out basically as normal otherwise.

Have Ryn just start out with her max curviness and ditch Confidence/Libido. Rather than a magic cage, Alissa put a womb brand on her like Cait has that renders her impotent {infertile? Probably would be female-sexed in this variation} and only Alissa has the means of turning it off (her soul, still). Replace her meters with a Trust meter: getting it to medium requires being nice to Ryn, and gets rid of her stutter. Getting it to high then requires banging her and brings her libido back; banging her without being nice first doesn't move the Trust bar.

Then you'd just have needed a [ryn.trustlnh] parser and a [ryn.isVirile/Fertile] parser; you can turn the latter on and off at-will using Alissa's soulstone. Maybe a [ryn.isSlutty] one for some Cait flavoring you can turn on by rubbing her on Arona/Eve/etc., or having Evergreen supercharge the womb tatt give her turbohorni. And [ryn.isMilky] for reasons.

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[MSGTNP]

The less dick girls there are, the better.

I'm not one to judge and I don't personally care If your into that, each to their own I'd say but for the life for me, I just don't understand why like 40% of all character's in this VN have to be futa's. Is the fetish THAT popular or am I missing something?

 

[muschi26]

The less dick girls there are, the better.

I'm not one to judge and I don't personally care If your into that, each to their own I'd say but for the life for me, I just don't understand why like 40% of all character's in this VN have to be futa's. Is the fetish THAT popular or am I missing something?

This is for TiTS, but CoC2 probably has a lot of the same crowd, but anyway Savin said that they polled their patrons and futa was in the top three most popular fetishes. So, while I don't really get it either, it does appear to be that popular.

 

[M0nte]

That's literally what this is, a whole new character.

Dedicking Ryn would be a whole lot of work, considering she already has two separate variables, adding in a third that would completely change a large chunk of her scenes and dialogue would probably be about the same amount of work as a whole new character.

But writing her female from the beginning is a whole different story.

The goal of this (theoretical, not at all real) change is to reduce the weight of Savin writing three companions and Ryn being so apparently difficult to write for.


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Oh, would player have an option to give that character a dick. Or would she have always been a pure female. Since, well, I do like options.

 

[JuAqe]

OK I'm genuinely confused as to why this thread is just a breeding grounds for hate circlejerking the game. It's really obvious a lot of you have a ton of grievances surrounding the game, and that's fine, I get it. The Observer's content is complete dogshit that conflicts with the rest of the game(and every other Fenoxo game), they add a ridiculous amount of lore nobody gives a shit about, the game has massive tonal issues(do you want everybody fucking each other or do you want me to take this seriously devs?), blah blah, the list goes on. I don't keep up with whatever retarded drama the devs get themselves into but that seems to also be a recurring theme in this thread.

But why do you guys keep coming in here just to be bitter and disappointed about the game?

If you guys seriously dislike the writers and content enough to complain about it basically every page of the thread, why even bother keeping up with the game?

Is it because you actually like the content but don't like the devs? Alright sure but constantly being assblasted about the devs being dipshits just seems redundant and pointless. You whinging about the same things other people have said 500 times already isn't going to change or do anything. Why not just do something else with your time?

Is it because this kind of content is unique and nobody else is doing it at the moment? Sure but is it really unique or good enough to create almost 700 pages of rants about? No it definitely fucking isn't. Why not just go find some other spank bank material with the same tags? Just go on Archive Of Our Own or some shit and put in some monster girl tags.

I'm not trying to defend the game or the devs. I don't like or care enough about most of it to have that much emotional investment in any of this. I'm just trying to understand what compels you people to be this pointlessly negative about this project when you could be doing anything else on the planet more worth your time.

Every other thread about the game is censored to make way for the circle jerk savin wants, so of course all the anger is being vented here, but we al have pretty good reasons to be mad, the game has legit potential but its being squandered for ego trips, the good content like brienne is hated on by savin and tobs is, well, tobs, we have things hat we like about the game and we actively talk about it, but that leads to the question; Why are you mad that we are mad? this is a forum to discuss the game, and if every person here is bitter and disappointed as you say theres probably a reason for it

 

[Melanogaster]

Can some one give lates save?I just reinstall windows?(4.4+ versions)

Uh, sure, here's a save with most of the content done. Don't know if I missed anything.

 

[Quintilus]

considering she already has two separate variables,

Well, no. But only if Rin character class (all classes should be, OOP is good if you know how to use it) was written properly, in a "it can be extended in future" way.
Buuuuuuut, I doubth this is the case here, because IIRC game code obfuscated a little to make modding impossible, as well as criple development.

 

[Angeleou]

So in a kinda interesting tidbit, I read on the Discord a pitch Savin made to reduce companion characters he was writing if he had to do it again.

Said he'd basically fold Caits story into Ryns, so it would be Ryns sister who got kidnapped and Ryn riding down from Winter City looking for help.

Ryn would be female, and Cait would be mostly gone, except Ryn has a womb tattoo like Caits that Kas put on her, that the champ could mess with to make her way hornier in case you want to lead her into being a turboslut.

Sounded interesting.

Also, Arona wouldn't be a companion, just a content heavy NPC in the ogre camp.

as long as they take the PP away from Arona and just make her a curvy muscle mommy im all for it

 

[Skandranon]

The less dick girls there are, the better.

I'm not one to judge and I don't personally care If your into that, each to their own I'd say but for the life for me, I just don't understand why like 40% of all character's in this VN have to be futa's. Is the fetish THAT popular or am I missing something?

There are 11 billion games out there without any dickgirls at all.

What's hard to understand about this one game catering a bit to an underserved niche?

And not to put too fine a point on it, bit is is only "a bit", the count stood at 13٪ dickgirls as of like two months ago.

Game needs more futa imo.

 

[MSGTNP]

There are 11 billion games out there without any dickgirls at all.

What's hard to understand about this one game catering a bit to an underserved niche?

And not to put too fine a point on it, bit is is only "a bit", the count stood at 13٪ dickgirls as of like two months ago.

Game needs more futa imo.

It ain't my fault there's nothing like COC unless it's abandoned

 

[bmul]

Well, you should read it all to understand it.
And its not that she bad (in literal meaning of this word) as a person...she just a sterile slut in constant heat.....and dev(s????) push her like "hey, look cait has been creampied!!!!! right in her cunt!!!!11111111 now lick it dry!!!!!111111 cause he the best character and best waifu material", which is hmhmhmhmhmhmmmmmm.......
Oh and she kinda mery sue, which alway right, always good and actually the main character of a game...kinda like TES: Oblivion, but in bad sense

Honestly from what I read I just want to make her fertile and have her bear my babies like all the other cat ladies I have. And I don't nessesarily need to read how much of a slut she is because I have a headcannon in which the kitsunes praise me, my foxwife is not a mongrol and and treats me better. Also, literally the orcs. I have seen no complaint about them but that is pretty much how I play this game feeling. I go and conquer and now I am the ruler.

 

[BlacJak]

Yeah, the game really needs more feminine characters with huge tits and a foot long dick attached to them to be forgotten for months at a time after their initial introduction.

 

[Kroenen12]

the good content like brienne is hated on by savin and tobs

I wonder why

<Brienne content

 

[arls120]

So in a kinda interesting tidbit, I read on the Discord a pitch Savin made to reduce companion characters he was writing if he had to do it again.

Said he'd basically fold Caits story into Ryns, so it would be Ryns sister who got kidnapped and Ryn riding down from Winter City looking for help.

Ryn would be female, and Cait would be mostly gone, except Ryn has a womb tattoo like Caits that Kas put on her, that the champ could mess with to make her way hornier in case you want to lead her into being a turboslut.

Sounded interesting.

Also, Arona wouldn't be a companion, just a content heavy NPC in the ogre camp.

Savin taking the limelight from Cait and giving it to someone else? I don't know about you but I think first it will be the end of the world before that.

 

[arls120]

I wonder when they plan to add more content to brint

 

[Skandranon]

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I wonder when they plan to add more content to brint

Honestly haven't seen much in the pipelines concerning him.

Brienne will have more content with her family, and then she also has apparently more stuff involved with the transformation thing, and we're supposed to get some story behind what it actually was.

I'm also pretty sure that's going to lead into her corruption content.

But what that means for Brint, I dunno.