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Was catching up on fenoxo forum posts and found a link back to a blog post and saw that . Just means that he is likely okay with parent-child incest content itself, and I don't think Kinu was approved by Savin (don't know about Tobs as the writer) specifically to be against parent-child incest, but more in response to people being over demanding. Still isn't a great reason, but I'd prefer to be as accurate as possible.
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Anyone know when another public release is coming?
Usually middle of the month, sometime shortly after the 15th probably.
 

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Sorry, but there's plenty of commercial video games that don't allow mods. Most game companies aren't as mod friendly as Bethesda.

If Savin doesn't want mods in his game then he has full rights to exclude them. Savin is not obligated to put anyone's original character into his game. It would be a bizzare world if the creator of a video game had no right to choose what ends up in it.
those plentiful commercial video games which doesn't allows mods are mostly multiplayer games. even such cutthroat companies like ea games allows mods for Single player. or Rockstar for example, they forbid mods for gta online, but allowed them for gta5 sp.
I didn't say that he doesn't have the right to exclude mods in his game, but he is right bastard for disallowing them in purely singleplayer porn game, especially with such pitiful reasons for forbidding those mods.
 

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Hey guys a more game-relatde question here, trying out a Charmer build and decided that my final weapon's going to be this one but since it does "Mind" type damage i'm confused, does it require Willpower or Presence to use? i'm guessing Presence but just want your input on this.
 

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Hey guys a more game-relatde question here, trying out a Charmer build and decided that my final weapon's going to be this one but since it does "Mind" type damage i'm confused, does it require Willpower or Presence to use? i'm guessing Presence but just want your input on this.
this weapon is catalyst, have mind damage, so I'm pretty sure its willpower. the only thing presence good is for pc sexiness. or it doesn't have any requirements at all.
p.s. but I think that weapon damage is pretty much affected only by strengt stat. at least wiki attribute page says that.
 
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those plentiful commercial video games which doesn't allows mods are mostly multiplayer games. even such cutthroat companies like ea games allows mods for Single player. or Rockstar for example, they forbid mods for gta online, but allowed them for gta5 sp.
You are mistaken. If modding to you is just editing a game, then every game is eventually "moddable", including CoC2. In reality, a game is only trully moddable if the developers release modding tools and/or open the source code. Without it, most "mods" can only change minor things, like textures in graphics. In the last 20 years, games have steadily increased in complexity, which made modding much harder without official support from devs. And most devs are not Bethesda/Rockstar. They may tolerate the existence of unnoficial mods in their single player games, but they very often don't bother to actually make modding more accessible or widespread by releasing modding tools.

I didn't say that he doesn't have the right to exclude mods in his game, but he is right bastard for disallowing them in purely singleplayer porn game, especially with such pitiful reasons for forbidding those mods.
Calling him a bastard for making sure his free game isn't mixed up with unofficially modified versions that stray far from his original vision is the height of gamer entitlement. He had nothing but bad experience with CoC1 mods, and he's fully justified in not wanting to repeat the same terrible mistake with CoC2. You accused Savin of "stealing" characters, yet here you are advocating in favor of others essentially hijacking his game by stuffing it with their own content and then releasing it on the net.
 

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this weapon is catalyst, have mind damage, so I'm pretty sure its willpower. the only thing presence good is for pc sexiness. or it doesn't have any requirements at all.
p.s. but I think that weapon damage is pretty much affected only by strengt stat. at least wiki attribute page says that.
Yeha but is a catalyst right? i'm pretty sure Catalyst sort of fall under the willpower stat, i mean i used the Metal Wand for a Black Mage and it hit like a truck with his overwhelming willpower.
P.S: i'll test it out once i get it, making a few simple attacks having willpower, then dumping the stats somewhere else to see if it is Willpower or Presence the one that affects Eternal Delusion, i'll post once i'm sure.
 
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I don't believe inari Kinu has the "fuck you dad" mentality, but hime Kinu I believe has some of that based on what I've seen others describe it as.
I heard the opposite. Hime Kinu doesn't blame you, she's just insufferably polite and traditional unless you speak ill of Takahiro otherwise the conservation is over.
 

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You are mistaken. If modding to you is just editing a game, then every game is eventually "moddable", including CoC2. In reality, a game is only trully moddable if the developers release modding tools and/or open the source code. Without it, most "mods" can only change minor things, like textures in graphics. In the last 20 years, games have steadily increased in complexity, which made modding much harder without official support from devs. And most devs are not Bethesda/Rockstar. They may tolerate the existence of unnoficial mods in their single player games, but they very often don't bother to actually make modding more accessible or widespread by releasing modding tools.



Calling him a bastard for making sure his free game isn't mixed up with unofficially modified versions that stray far from his original vision is the height of gamer entitlement. He had nothing but bad experience with CoC1 mods, and he's fully justified in not wanting to repeat the same terrible mistake with CoC2. You accused Savin of "stealing" characters, yet here you are advocating in favor of others essentially hijacking his game by stuffing it with their own content and then releasing it on the net.
I just make one example: crusaders kings 2. it doesn't have any modding tools, but people a capable of modifying it pretty good. and there is much more of such examples
I know that mods a not just only edit of textures/some other minor shit and such, and there is plenty of devs who made their games modifiable with/without nodding tools and even encourage it sometimes, who even not some indie game makers like star bound or rimworld.
and I called him bastard as figure of speech, you most of the times just takes words a bit to directly. I'll ignore the whole "he justified bla, bla; stealing of chars and advocating of hijacking" and say only one thing: he can tolerate those mod too, like "most" devs out there, but no, he game flimsy excuses why there will not be any modding. are you even reading my posts or what? cause you're very chooseful of your arguments:"had nothing but bad experiences with mods" lol what? if he is too greedy/defensive of his chars its doesn't mean that all mods were bad, hence, kitteh revamp mod, whose only mistake was desire to make salamander themed dungeon" walley of _some_ flame". the same mod that was fixing their fuck ups, like lethice endgame content and the whole game ending. I dont even see any point with further discussion with you and feeling pretty lazy to find word to answer to your glorious defending of savin.
p.s. and you know what, it's your understanding of game modding is warped. I have star wars empire at war on my pc and I can modify file factions.xml to have more ships in space combat, bring it then in newly created folder mods and then another randonname folder, make fast bat file with content like: sweaw.exe mods/mymods, and that will be mod. see without modding tools. nexusmods full of such mods for that game. and that just another example of modifiable sp game. there is tons of them.
p.s.s hijacking a mod. who do you think he is? there are plenty of games without even a minor mod support, but people modify them without negativity, even some games posted here got mods, but savins game had to be protected cause it's bad to modify his shit, he will be upset.
 
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I don't understand why some people are arguing against mods? There's literally no reason to actively disallow mods in a porn game it'll only hurt the game in the long run. Savin namecalling the people who make CoC mods isn't actually saying why the mods are bad, saying the average player won't even know they're playing a modded version of the game is a nonissue, especially since MOST mods have either mod in the title or somewhere in the game, either way, whether the devs want it or not, people will still mod the game. Savin does have the right to actively disallow mods to his porn game, but we also have the right to criticize this decision and call him a bastard over it
 

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I don't really see a reason in complaining about the practicalities of modding CoC2 when the modding of CoC1 didn't happen until around the time that it was "finished." Most of the people who even bring up the topic on it don't have the skill set to even take on a task like that, so they rely completely on someone else with the ability to do so. Then you have the people who could theoretically mod CoC2, but see it as pointless as it's just another questionable project that Fen and his band of thieves have no roadmap on how and when they plan on finishing it. Because, why would you? They'll just update it intentionally to break it, and then trying to keep it all manageable will just snowball the further along in time you go. So, it's just kinda pointless to talk about, especially when the topic of mods usually just ends with shitty OCs, "same old same old scenes" but with different characters, and one-off scenes, locations and bosses.
 

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I don't understand why some people are arguing against mods? There's literally no reason to actively disallow mods in a porn game it'll only hurt the game in the long run. Savin namecalling the people who make CoC mods isn't actually saying why the mods are bad, saying the average player won't even know they're playing a modded version of the game is a nonissue, especially since MOST mods have either mod in the title or somewhere in the game, either way, whether the devs want it or not, people will still mod the game. Savin does have the right to actively disallow mods to his porn game, but we also have the right to criticize this decision and call him a bastard over it
It seems the entire argument against mods is that "Savin has the right" and "CoCI open source is the only way modding could work. Bad experiences were had with the poor job that CoCI was, therefore all future modding will be poor."
I don't really see a reason in complaining about the practicalities of modding CoC2 when the modding of CoC1 didn't happen until around the time that it was "finished." Most of the people who even bring up the topic on it don't have the skill set to even take on a task like that, so they rely completely on someone else with the ability to do so. Then you have the people who could theoretically mod CoC2, but see it as pointless as it's just another questionable project that Fen and his band of thieves have no roadmap on how and when they plan on finishing it. Because, why would you? They'll just update it intentionally to break it, and then trying to keep it all manageable will just snowball the further along in time you go. So, it's just kinda pointless to talk about, especially when the topic of mods usually just ends with shitty OCs, "same old same old scenes" but with different characters, and one-off scenes, locations and bosses.
You make a very good point that the constant update nature of CoCII would make it very difficult to maintain a code injection style mod loader until CoCII sees its final release. Minecraft mods were able to keep up with this, but the mods were always behind and waiting on upstream resources to update. Most likely, if a code injection style mod loader does happen with CoCII it will be after the game is finished.

I'm mostly arguing my point that Savin made decisions out of spite/antagonism rather than making the most beneficial choice. A text game is the simplest game you can have for implementing mod support. The player's imagination does most of the work for you. All you have to do is add in buttons on tile's based on index.

Also, this is an outlet for my frustration at these bad decisions, and maybe future game developers who are interested will read what I have to say and realize modding doesn't have to be approached in this way and that modding isn't something to be looked upon as a bad thing.
I heard the opposite. Hime Kinu doesn't blame you, she's just insufferably polite and traditional unless you speak ill of Takahiro otherwise the conservation is over.
I only ever felt that inari was deeply hurt, but not that she actively went "fuck you Dad". She even mentions in a talk option that part of the reason she doesn't fight with her mother is because she knows the PC doesn't like to see them fight. I could have missed something, as there is a lot of content and it is a bit random in how it is supplied.

She is certainly more distant (I would certainly prefer she had stayed around after her emotional music performance), but that is more her independent nature + natural response to growing up. If anyone has some examples, I would be interested to hear it.

I guess you could say the writing itself is meant to dig in, but I don't think the character of inari Kinu is trying to do that.
 
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I'm mostly arguing my point that Savin made decisions out of spite/antagonism rather than making the most beneficial choice. A text game is the simplest game you can have for implementing mod support. The player's imagination does most of the work for you. All you have to do is add in buttons on tile's based on index.

Also, this is an outlet for my frustration at these bad decisions, and maybe future game developers who are interested will read what I have to say and realize modding doesn't have to be approached in this way and that modding isn't something to be looked upon as a bad thing.
Fair enough. There was someone on the old chan /f/ board who was working on their own game who built a scene tester that worked within the game for this very purpose. Someone with no coding ability would be able to write their own scenes that could be tested and run in the game itself. I don't know what happened to that person, but something like that would be cool. Although, that's putting too high of expectations in Savin and his team.
 
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so, they made coc2 non flash game, but list the whole coc1swf distribution as a reason to not make coc2 mods friendly system? very smooth.
and how convenient to just completely disregard revamp mod and all it's good content, except ingnam 3 days prologue which is skippable, mind you.
the mess mods are, my ass. bunch of hypocrites. as if their games not a complete unorganized mess.
Heck, thet would probably burn a whole house just because they saw a few roaches. Not giving a fuck about anything else that is good about that house. They spite the roaches.
 

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anybody seen a news about their next d&d? fen and his trans wife, man, the whole mess with fen becoming such a dick of a person was mostly because somebody leaked her nudes from their private chat on everywhere, especially on 4chan if I'm not mistaken and him not very liking it, what a drag.
 
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anybody seen a news about their next d&d? fen and his trans wife, man, the whole mess with fen becoming such a dick of a person was mostly because somebody leaked her nudes from their private chat on everywhere, especially on 4chan if I'm not mistaken and him not very liking it, what a drag.
Where did you hear this? Any source? Will it impact the future releases on the game updates?
 

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K i'm back, tested it out and it SEEMS that Eternal Delusion works with Presence even thought it is a catalyst (switched my character's stats to max strength at 14, then to max willpower at 14, both cases while having Presence at 17 due initial bonuses and the mind damage was the same).
On a Side-Note: Anyone else noticed how you can make infinite money with Ivris? simply go:
1) buy at least 3 Ward Amulets from Ivris.
2) Click on Check Out to avoid errors when bugging it later.
3) Click on shop once more and move to the option "Others" to make the next step as smooth as possible (selecting "Others" category won't make items pop-up on screen when you're selling them, which makes the game run smoother).
4) Select "Sell" and then click on the Ward Amulets as fast as you can, this will make you sell more than the ones you possess if you have a good timing literaly gaining 500 Electrums per click (if your timing is off don't worry, just click the option "Reset" and you get the Ward Amulets back).
5) Click "Check Out" without buying anything to avoid crashing the game, then you can enter once more into the shop for more Ward Amulets.
6) Rinse and repeat till you're satisfied (i tend to do this for 30.000 per day, no joke is the first time i've ever completed all of the Hawkethorne Nursery's updates)
 

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Where did you hear this? Any source? Will it impact the future releases on the game updates?
news about their d&d session is on their site, they do it to get fund for another trans operation. so I dont know about impacts on releases, but I'm pretty sure that at least TiTS will take some damage with the latest fen tiredness of submissions. it not distant possibility that tits will be "finished" like coc1 soon.
 

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K i'm back, tested it out and it SEEMS that Eternal Delusion works with Presence even thought it is a catalyst (switched my character's stats to max strength at 14, then to max willpower at 14, both cases while having Presence at 17 due initial bonuses and the mind damage was the same).
now you got me all interested, how the fuck does that even work? I'll try it later myself, will be editing the fuck out of my chars stats(I will try different classes too) just too check that.
 
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